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Loctav
You should not worry about cheaters.

There are certain the reasons, why we don't decide that via a poll.
The poll jesus mentioned was also not official iirc?
If we would let the community decide about everything, we would still have an OWC without any mods and an OWC where the mappools gets designed by pressing F2 in map selection 15 times.
Azer
Sooo. I'm still waiting on a reply to my PM, Loctav. It's been almost two days now.
Tenyante
I will say only one thing.

FL is not fun to watch.
fartownik
Plenty of highly experienced players propose the FL to be removed. Other highly experienced players agree. I wonder what's the point you're trying to make by keeping it there for no matter what. Listen to players for once, they're the base of this game and this tournament is for them, and them only.
Pizzicato

Azer wrote:

Sooo. I'm still waiting on a reply to my PM, Loctav. It's been almost two days now.
same.

fartownik wrote:

Plenty of highly experienced players propose the FL to be removed. Other highly experienced players agree. I wonder what's the point you're trying to make by keeping it there for no matter what. Listen to players for once, they're the base of this game and this tournament is for them, and them only.
well, the organizers insist on making the FL thingy happen. players don't want it. I don't like FL too.
If they won't listen to our request, can we all agree that we won't use FL in the tournament? :D
pooptartsonas
The thing is, FL just doesn't fit in the tournament. I don't mean this to bash FL in any way, I've tried it a bit and it's super hard, but it is just COMPLETELY different from the rest of the game. It takes away most of the reading aspect of the game; you could make a similar argument for hidden but hidden is very readable. In my opinion the only place FL has in a tournament is a FL only tournament (which probably isn't realistic due to cheating but w/e). The other mods change the game a little bit but it's still the same game pretty much (hidden is a little more iffy), whereas FL is practically a different game altogether.
Salvage
Well i agree on keeping it civil cause it's useless to discuss otherwise, but since this is a discussion thread, i find that FL on the FreeMod bracket is a big deal right now. Everyone made good points about why it isn't good and even wtihout worrying about cheaters (which well if that's the case tbh i guess that could be apllied to every mod) it's still something i don't imagine being fun to cast/watch/play against in a tournament and more so here being the most prestigious one in each year.


I also know that even if i make valid points, they're all refutable if you feel like it, and keeping it is still a logic decision, but even so, player's opinions (and we had several of well known players) are really important in tournaments like this one and i think it should be taken care of or atleast open to variations having a propper discusion.
Thatgooey
Even if it is allowed during the tournament, we can still all have an agreement amongst us players not to select the mod. Just because as of right now it is allowed, doesn't mean we have to play it. I know that nobody from our team will select it, even if you could have one person prepare a short map to snipe a free win. I don't think it is fair to the viewers or players to have this mod. It's just not very fun for a tournament setting. Regardless of my or anyone else's opinion on the mod itself, I just don't like it being a one time play in a yearly tournament. It's not fair to the players and fans if a team who is clearly outmatched trolls and picks flashlight free mod on a hard map just for the hell of it. I know a great deal of us wouldn't do this, but sometimes people don't act the same on a stage in the spotlight if they aren't used to it. It just creates opportunity to take away legitimacy and fun from the tournament, that's all I'm saying. Again, this is supposed to be a fun international event for the community to come together and enjoy some friendly competition. I think this is a great thing for osu, and only want to see it succeed and have people talk about it until next year as a positive experience. FL mod being played in this tournament would just add fuel to fires that have been burning for a long time now. I don't want to see that. Again, I have nothing against the mod itself.
pielak213

Thatgooey wrote:

Even if it is allowed during the tournament, we can still all have an agreement amongst us players not to select the mod. Just because as of right now it is allowed, doesn't mean we have to play it. I know that nobody from our team will select it, even if you could have one person prepare a short map to snipe a free win. I don't think it is fair to the viewers or players to have this mod. It's just not very fun for a tournament setting. Regardless of my or anyone else's opinion on the mod itself, I just don't like it being a one time play in a yearly tournament. It's not fair to the players and fans if a team who is clearly outmatched trolls and picks flashlight free mod on a hard map just for the hell of it. I know a great deal of us wouldn't do this, but sometimes people don't act the same on a stage in the spotlight if they aren't used to it. It just creates opportunity to take away legitimacy and fun from the tournament, that's all I'm saying. Again, this is supposed to be a fun international event for the community to come together and enjoy some friendly competition. I think this is a great thing for osu, and only want to see it succeed and have people talk about it until next year as a positive experience. FL mod being played in this tournament would just add fuel to fires that have been burning for a long time now. I don't want to see that. Again, I have nothing against the mod itself.
You're misunderstanding the FreeMod bracket. One team can't choose the Freemod Bracket and say everyone picks flashlight.

I find watching someone retrying a map on FL for an hour a lot more fun than watching someone retry a normal map hddt for an hour. Very few people will probably even attempt flashlight because the risk is so high. Choosing FL means that you're 100% you can FC the map because everybody else is most likely going to FC the map and missing once means you're screwed.

Personally, I really like the implementation of FL since there can actually be a little strategy with swapping players *hint hint* and it being very possible to fc. I'm really hoping for a Korea secret strategy to come out and surprise everyone who doesn't know its players.

As for cheaters, I'm not going into detail but I know there are more methods than just looking at processes to determine if someone hacked FL.
Wishy
I thought free mod meant each players gets to decide which mod he is going to use? If that's the case, why do you care if some guy goes and adds FL? Looks like a high risk high reward play for me, and even then it's not even worth it since because of how the tournament works (and the maps we are picking) it would only really be worth anything if everyone gets and FC and you actually win because of the advantage FL gave you.
pielak213
^ I'd just like to add that if the map is easy enough to fc with fl, then it would also be easier to fc with hrhd which gives the same point total.
jesse1412

pielak213 wrote:

^ I'd just like to add that if the map is easy enough to fc with fl, then it would also be easier to fc with hrhd which gives the same point total.
No.
pielak213
^wat
Almost
^ It depends on the map.
pielak213
^i highly doubt there will be maps with a length of less than 1 minute in freemod
Wishy
Salvage
Then that round will be booring as fuck, yeah we all agree that it won't make such a difference cause it'd take a full 8 people fc to make a difference in score, but the issue is not whatever it is unfair or not, is because atleast for me it just isn't fun to spectators, casters or players at all, i actually feel it takes strategy away from the competition cause of it being so random, it is a weird mod that for sure requires skill but it's not competitive enough to take it in a live tournament.


And i already said that every single one of my arguments is refutable if anyone feels like it, but it's about what players want and i don't think even a 5% of the players want it to be there.
pielak213

pielak213 wrote:

^i highly doubt there will be maps with a length of less than 1 minute in freemod

Wishy wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/15942
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't choose a map just to prove me wrong
Wishy
xd

Just drop the FL discussion, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
pielak213
why isnt team usa appearing in wiki :@
buny
The FreeMod bracket will have FreeMod activated. Every individual player can pick Hidden, HardRock, Flashlight or no mod at all. Players may select more than one mod.

pielak213 wrote:

why isnt team usa appearing in wiki :@
it hasn't been updated yet
AmaiHachimitsu
Personally, I really like the implementation of FL since there can actually be a little strategy with swapping players *hint hint* and it being very possible to fc
If you read few pages back you will see that this year maps are gonna be harder than last year. So I expect no map to be an "easy FC" hence this whole discussion is out of place.

If any of the players choose FL it will be for lulz I guess.
jesse1412

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Personally, I really like the implementation of FL since there can actually be a little strategy with swapping players *hint hint* and it being very possible to fc
If you read few pages back you will see that this year maps are gonna be harder than last year. So I expect no map to be an "easy FC" hence this whole discussion is out of place.

If any of the players choose FL it will be for lulz I guess.
So it's a "let's not be serious" mod. I'm okay with this but management gets angry when people don't take it seriously, they did last year at least. Fun times.
Sakisan
So far in this edition it's the side of the players that have been taking it too seriously.
But I trust in their ability to let it all loose soon enough. :)
XPJ38
Please update http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_2013#Participants, I really would like to know which countries have been accepted so far.
KoiCarp
So like, does anyone know roughly when the map pool gets released publicly? Sorry if it's a stupid question I've not been around for the other owcs >w<
thelewa
I hope this tournament is managed better this year than last year, especially in terms of streaming. I can see that Nyquill is one of the streamers again and as last year has taught us; his internet connection is fucking terrible and the streams were nigh-unwatchable because of it. The same goes for kingking9. I honestly have no idea why you are even accepting them as streamers because the stream is what gives OWC the most publicity and when it looks like utter shit it's not going to be fun to watch for all those THOUSANDS of people watching it.

That's just my 2 cents also I'm going to compete with my team (I didn't ask them if they are fine with competing but I'm sure it's going to work out fine, just like last year)

I also want to be a commentator because I'm lewa, bitches.
Lach

KoiCarp wrote:

So like, does anyone know roughly when the map pool gets released publicly? Sorry if it's a stupid question I've not been around for the other owcs >w<
Week before first round.
Pizzicato

XPJ38 wrote:

Please update http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_2013#Participants, I really would like to know which countries have been accepted so far.
seconded
jesse1412

thelewa wrote:

I hope this tournament is managed better this year than last year, especially in terms of streaming. I can see that Nyquill is one of the streamers again and as last year has taught us; his internet connection is fucking terrible and the streams were nigh-unwatchable because of it. The same goes for kingking9. I honestly have no idea why you are even accepting them as streamers because the stream is what gives OWC the most publicity and when it looks like utter shit it's not going to be fun to watch for all those THOUSANDS of people watching it.

That's just my 2 cents also I'm going to compete with my team (I didn't ask them if they are fine with competing but I'm sure it's going to work out fine, just like last year)

I also want to be a commentator because I'm lewa, bitches.
Hallo ich bein Jesse. lewa und ich bin die beste kommentator uberhaupt 8-)
Nyquill

thelewa wrote:

I hope this tournament is managed better this year than last year, especially in terms of streaming. I can see that Nyquill is one of the streamers again and as last year has taught us; his internet connection is fucking terrible and the streams were nigh-unwatchable because of it.
I think you misunderstood the problem I had last year as a streamer, and I streamed for exactly 10 minutes last year :p. Looks like someone needs to straighten out their facts.

Also

Azer

Nyquill wrote:

o_______o
ErunamoJAZZ

Nyquill wrote:

thelewa wrote:

Nice.
thelewa

Nyquill wrote:

I think you misunderstood the problem I had last year as a streamer, and I streamed for exactly 10 minutes last year :p. Looks like someone needs to straighten out their facts.

Also

Your inability and apparent lack of intellect to operate very basic computer programs does still not spell well for your "job" as a streamer

also, your internet connection does not change kingking9's amazing Australian internet connection
Nyquill

thelewa wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

I think you misunderstood the problem I had last year as a streamer, and I streamed for exactly 10 minutes last year :p. Looks like someone needs to straighten out their facts.

Also

Your inability and apparent lack of intellect to operate very basic computer programs does still not spell well for your "job" as a streamer

also, your internet connection does not change kingking9's amazing Australian internet connection

thelewa wrote:

I hope this tournament is managed better this year than last year, especially in terms of streaming. I can see that Nyquill is one of the streamers again and as last year has taught us; his internet connection is fucking terrible and the streams were nigh-unwatchable because of it. The same goes for kingking9.
Weeeeeee

Also, even then you seem to still not understand what the problem was last year. Maybe focus on your job and we'll focus on ours, hm?
Kanye West
I can commentate if you need me. Ebonics optional. 8-)
Froslass

thelewa wrote:

also I'm going to compete with my team

Loctav wrote:

Due to incooperative behavior and ongoing attempts to disturb this tournament in it's organization, thelewa has been banned from all future OWCs.
This was a collective decision by OWC staff.
lol yeah haha
Cyclohexane
Was this from the owc3 thread?
pretty sure it's been voided by peppy
Wishy
I'm also unsure about what are the rules regarding banned players, this meaning exactly what do you have to do (or have done) to be banned from this OWC.
ayi12
pero tengo una duda para jugar el torneo .....voy a jugar con la pc .. o tengo q ir a algun lado
me dicen es que soy nueva ;_; :(
Wishy
El torneo es online y lo podés jugar de donde quieras.
AmaiHachimitsu

Blue Dragon wrote:

thelewa wrote:

also I'm going to compete with my team

Loctav wrote:

Due to incooperative behavior and ongoing attempts to disturb this tournament in it's organization, thelewa has been banned from all future OWCs.
This was a collective decision by OWC staff.
lol yeah haha
When there was still just an announcement about OWC #4 I saw a line there that I understood as every player banned during OWC #3 can participate.
jesse1412
I find it incredible racist how the Bahrain team isn't in pending. OWC staff confirmed for anti Arabian, the sultan has been notified.
Topic Starter
Loctav
thelewa was late. Someone else registered before him.
Zare
oh, is this where the drama starts? *prepares popcorn*
Birdy
ethox

Zarerion wrote:

oh, is this where the drama starts? *prepares popcorn*
Do you believe thelewa would not have had the chance to put up a team on his own if he wanted to play? I mean even he is that on top his things. That or he does not really keep up with his hilights eyes which doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

A lot of things doesn't surprise me
Soarezi

Loctav wrote:

thelewa was late. Someone else registered before him.
3 fast 5 u lewa sry
AmaiHachimitsu
28/32 no Korea no Japan? D:
Wishy
I'm guessing they didn't submit anything yet because they need to test out their players? I assume Japan, Korea and Taiwan are three countries with a lot of outstanding players so they need to see which ones are going to represent the country, dunno.

Gonna try to get in contact with some players from those countries just in case.
AmaiHachimitsu
Well, I thought they will be clever enough as to register and in case change the lineup.

#edit: no China lawl, OWC #4 for Germany D:
fartownik
I was serious when I proposed reserving slots for such teams as Japan or Korea.

If there's no Japan, Korea, China and Taiwan then this tournament shall not exist.
Wishy
I guess if more than 32 teams are registered something is gonna be done, since this is a World Cup I suppose stronger teams are gonna be of a higher priority.
Lokovodo
I strongly encourage people to choose EZ mod and FL, not for lulz, but for serious strategy that comes with it.

( http://www.twitch.tv/lokovodo/c/3092224 ) <- this is what i want in the tournament pls make it happen
AmaiHachimitsu
I guess if more than 32 teams are registered something is gonna be done, since this is a World Cup I suppose stronger teams are gonna be of a higher priority.
I'm pretty much sure there were more than 28 applications from various countries but seems like "someone" is waiting for those 4 countries to fill the team list with them.
Soarezi
Or then they didnt join on purpose to give other countries a chance. Kappa
Mizucchiki
Without Korea and Japan it will be so not interresting ;_;
Wishy
Karuta already submitted the registration form for Japan, not complete but good enough to reserve the slot.
me3lingual

Wishy wrote:

I guess if more than 32 teams are registered something is gonna be done, since this is a World Cup I suppose stronger teams are gonna be of a higher priority.
Doesn't that go against this...

The tournament will run with a total of 32 teams. First come, first serve.
fartownik
If there's no top4 teams in the game then the tournament doesn't make any sense. If I were the organizer I would reserve last 4 slots for them while they're still free.
Wishy
We are all assuming things, Loctav has the final word, might aswell just wait for him. :p
me3lingual
Another idea would be to let these "Top 4" teams have an automatic spot in the Knockout Stage. This would give more countries a chance to compete, at least in the Group Stage. And yet another would be to increase the amount of teams to 40. This would allow five teams per group. And then the top two from each group would move on to the Knockout Stage.

But by reserving slots for teams without prior knowledge to the rest of the countries considering entering seems shady. Because then the other countries are actually rushing to apply for one of 28 spots instead of the 32 stated in the registration rules.
Pizzicato
well, they're interesting to watch. it'd be a sad thing if they won't participate in this tournament
but the tournament can still run without them
JappyBabes

fartownik wrote:

I was serious when I proposed reserving slots for such teams as Japan or Korea.

If there's no Japan, Korea, China and Taiwan then this tournament shall not exist.
2013-10-17 22:21 Loctav: Reserving is invalid.

yeee
Wishy
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Cl.gif Chile
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Fr.gif France
Hk.gif Hong Kong
Id.gif Indonesia
My.gif Malaysia
Nl.gif Netherlands
Nz.gif New Zealand
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Ru.gif Russian Federation
Th.gif Thailand
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I'd say all those are pretty much "reserved".
JappyBabes
No, those would be apps or PMs that Loctav has but hasn't checked. Reserved is just no roster/one person or something. Maybe it will actually be competitive this time.
Almost

me3lingual wrote:

Another idea would be to let these "Top 4" teams have an automatic spot in the Knockout Stage. This would give more countries a chance to compete, at least in the Group Stage. And yet another would be to increase the amount of teams to 40. This would allow five teams per group. And then the top two from each group would move on to the Knockout Stage.

But by reserving slots for teams without prior knowledge to the rest of the countries considering entering seems shady. Because then the other countries are actually rushing to apply for one of 28 spots instead of the 32 stated in the registration rules.
Some of those countries might not have enough players of high enough caliber to participate anyway.
Wishy
I wouldn't worry anyways, with Loctav we have kind of discussed what to do if something like that happens, because it would be seriously idiotic to have the best teams out of the World Cup.
JappyBabes

Wishy wrote:

I wouldn't worry anyways, with Loctav we have kind of discussed what to do if something like that happens, because it would be seriously idiotic to have the best teams out of the World Cup.
Exceptions are cool. Looking forward to another short finals.
Froslass
I think it would be cool if we had an elimination round by continent to decide which teams can go (like soccer world cup) but due to lack of time that wouldn't be possible
Wishy
That idea came up but truth is it's a lot of work and there is no time to do such a thing. :(
Fenek Alfa
Just submitted Eiji Kuinbii with HD with the form. It'd be beautiful to see all spammers just flop.
Soarezi

Fenek Alfa wrote:

Just submitted Eiji Kuinbii with HD with the form. It'd be beautiful to see all spammers just flop.
lolwat
Wishy
Japan and Taiwan have sent a registration form already, I think Dungeon sent the Korea's one. Gonna have to wait for confirmation from Loctav.
zerod
:O
ToGlette
I am in charge of Korean Team. I've sent the registration form for Korea. We've just finished our qualifiers today.
friendok
racists why can't arabians like bahrain take part in this tournament
Kanye West
such racist admin

very sad
Topic Starter
Loctav
All slots are full now. Updated rosters.
jesse1412

Loctav wrote:

All slots are full now. Updated rosters.
Racist, Bahrain registered before Korea. I am outrage.
Kanye West

jesus1412 wrote:

Loctav wrote:

All slots are full now. Updated rosters.
Racist, Bahrain registered before Korea. I am outrage.
you not let best team world bahrain enter

such unfair

very admin pls
Azer
RIP in peace Bahrain team, maybe next year.
Metro
wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Frostmourne

Metro wrote:

wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Same goes with Dutch team.
Azer

Metro wrote:

wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Mythol's not coming, Layne and Kairi are there but not on the wiki yet
Synchrostar

Frostmourne wrote:

Metro wrote:

wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Same goes with Dutch team.
Dutch team this year is a joke, no1 wanted to participate this time ):
i believe, we must make it past groups
pielak213
you guys got my name wrong >;(
buny

pielak213 wrote:

you guys got my name wrong >;(
the dash adds emphasis though




also i hope the commentators pronounce my name properly this year
Pizzicato

Frostmourne wrote:

Metro wrote:

wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Same goes with Dutch team.
RIP holland
kriers

buny wrote:

i hope the commentators pronounce my name properly this year
What's that like Puny with a B?
Gigo

friendok wrote:

racists why can't arabians like bahrain take part in this tournament
It's not about being racist... The organizers are just afraid of the beast that is Bahrain, that's why they allowed noob countries like South Korea and Japan to participate instead.
I propose that Bahrain has a reserved slot in the finals of every upcoming OWC as a compensation.
Moonpower

Synchrostar wrote:

i believe, we must make it past groups
We still have you, this will be no problem
I believe. GO TEAM DUTCH
buny

kriers wrote:

buny wrote:

i hope the commentators pronounce my name properly this year
What's that like Puny with a B?
buny like bunny pls
Wishy
Punie?
Sieg
I feel like i need to contribute my leet post to this thread
Oinari-sama
So how will the streaming work this year? Will each streamer take turn, or will there be mirror (alternative) streams?

Also I just thought it'll be cool to invite guest commentators to fill the gap between matches (or downtimes) by talking about osu news, highlights and even community projects/tools... sort of like an osu!commercial break? xD

I'm putting this out here now so that I don't forget to post later. I know it's kind of early to talk about this =.=
kriers

buny wrote:

buny like bunny pls
I think you need a name change before that starts making sense. In any case you can't blame anyone for spelling it wrong then ;)
zozozofun

Pizzicato wrote:

RIP holland
Don't call it Holland.
Topic Starter
Loctav
Since all countries are settled now, we shorten the roster change deadline to the 23rd Oct 2013. After this deadline, you can not change your team settings anymore. After this deadline, all rosters get checked.

Please send me your final rosters via forum PM till the 23rd Oct 2013, 23:59:59 UTC.Any roster changes after this deadline can not be considered.
Gigo
So China will not be participating?!?! :o
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