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They will going to stream the match on twitch.lucari386 wrote:
Can we watch this live? If yes, how?
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We plan to hand out real existing trophies. No final confirmation, yet - so still uncertain.
a single timezone for the whole team is totally not cool
I would giggle if some of our players will have to play at 4 night or so
I would giggle if some of our players will have to play at 4 night or so
can you sing for us please?Mr Color wrote:
I'm hyped too. I don't think we're going to stream everything this time around, though.
I will, once again, be leading the English commentary along with dkun. I really look forward to that, it's been a while since I've last done it.
What do you guys want from the commentary this year? I know last time we had a few awkward times and all, so I'd like to improve that. I will gather stats and trivia about players and maps and compare stuff from last year, but I may overlook things, so I'm really open for suggestions.
Don't ask me to sing, I won't.
not really about the commentary but more about the stream in general. can we please get people with good internet connections to stream this time? so we will be able to see more than 8 pixels.
you should also do something like having the commentators watch an inside stream, where they can comment in realtime and then re-stream that to the final stream where everybody watches, so we wont have commenting about something that happened 30 seconds in the past.
shut up and enjoy seeing that delicious golden circle go to the winnersKanye West wrote:
What. This is an online tournament for friendly competition. Not a multimillion dollar e-sport. The profile badge is a good enough trophy.
it better be a golden circle
or a golden cookie
@Silm: This year we at least shouldn't have any lag ON OUR SIDE (hello Twitch) because we've got people that can stream with steady upload. Also, commentary will not be delayed like last year, either. Commentators will see the matches live.
alright, good to hear.
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Kert wrote:
a single timezone for the whole team is totally not cool
I would giggle if some of our players will have to play at 4 night or so
If you have multiple time zones, just let me know via forum PM
No drama this year, perhaps???
There is always drama, just wait for it.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
No drama this year, perhaps???
damnLoctav wrote:
We plan to hand out real existing trophies. No final confirmation, yet - so still uncertain.
shame we didn't have that last time ;_;
About Timezones: Just a few countries - namely Russia, China and NAFTA - may have such timezone issues - easily defeatable/supportable with goodwill (like olympic athlets who face several restrictions, like food limitation and intensive trainings for winning their trophies and medals). Love solves all - or almost all.
*.* yes, but for my dear AnreFM~ and for Niva (no matter they are part of OWC this year or no), my favorite player (besides lewa-chan)... In truth, longing for a final match Brazil x Indonesia (please don't start flooding, guys!)Damara-Chan wrote:
GO!! INDONESIA!!! Aiming to be victory tehehehehe ^_^
Canada's in.
hola el torneo que se va a llevar a cabo es de ¿ OSU Catch the Beat ?
hello the tournament to be carried out is ¿ OSU Catch the Beat ?
hello the tournament to be carried out is ¿ OSU Catch the Beat ?
Nope, only Standard.donjuan_217 wrote:
hola el torneo que se va a llevar a cabo es de ¿ OSU Catch the Beat ?
hello the tournament to be carried out is ¿ OSU Catch the Beat ?
EDIT: For more info, read here
friendok <3khalifa father wrote:
i have register the bahrain team, i hope it is accept
Niva won't be participatingAlarido wrote:
About Timezones: Just a few countries - namely Russia, China and NAFTA - may have such timezone issues - easily defeatable/supportable with goodwill (like olympic athlets who face several restrictions, like food limitation and intensive trainings for winning their trophies and medals). Love solves all - or almost all.*.* yes, but for my dear AnreFM~ and for Niva, my favorite player (besides lewa-chan)... In truth, longing for a final match Brazil x Indonesia (please don't start flooding, guys!)Damara-Chan wrote:
GO!! INDONESIA!!! Aiming to be victory tehehehehe ^_^
pls open #cow
also since team leaders aren't scheduling times, are you going to try to make it so that the times would work, or are you expecting us to have 4 people on at any given time?
also since team leaders aren't scheduling times, are you going to try to make it so that the times would work, or are you expecting us to have 4 people on at any given time?
Pls no... oh god no...darkmiz wrote:
Why is flashlight allowed in free mod
Team BahrainMetro wrote:
friendok <3khalifa father wrote:
i have register the bahrain team, i hope it is accept
Captain : friendok
Player1 : friendok1
Player2 : friendok2
Player3 : friendok3
wouldn't be osu! without dramaAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
No drama this year, perhaps???
Are there any "procedure" for not letting this kind happen, because some random guy can easily say he is the one who representing the country. Even people who ranked #60,000+ claim that he will become captain for Malaysia country to join this. No joke.cr1m wrote:
I think registration with form is stupid way, because anyone can create a team and how the fuck you will understand where is real country team?
Because they haven't sent in a form and pmed Loctav yet?dato93 wrote:
Why I cant see Japan and Corea teams?
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http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_2013#Rulesetbuny wrote:
pls open #cow
also since team leaders aren't scheduling times, are you going to try to make it so that the times would work, or are you expecting us to have 4 people on at any given time?
Scheduling instructions
Just trust me. Worked wonders so farakupp wrote:
Are there any "procedure" for not letting this kind happen, because some random guy can easily say he is the one who representing the country. Even people who ranked #60,000+ claim that he will become captain for Malaysia country to join this. No joke.cr1m wrote:
I think registration with form is stupid way, because anyone can create a team and how the fuck you will understand where is real country team?
Because its freemod. Nothing wrong here.darkmiz wrote:
Why is flashlight allowed in free mod
Why isn't auto in free mod?
easy can actually make scores higher if you can't read the map well and is actually selectable if freemod is on
The kind of maps where EZ scores can be higher than nomod/mod scores are too hard for tournaments to begin with.
The reason we didn't have hard maps in the last owc is because failing would make it so your score won't count. The rules clearly states that failing won't do that this tournament.
There was recently a "suggest a map" poll to help determine the maps for owc. There was a line somewhere that said "all suggestions will be considered". I would be extremely surprised if everyone didn't choose the hardest maps they know to watch the best players of each country face off in the hardest maps average players can think of.
There was recently a "suggest a map" poll to help determine the maps for owc. There was a line somewhere that said "all suggestions will be considered". I would be extremely surprised if everyone didn't choose the hardest maps they know to watch the best players of each country face off in the hardest maps average players can think of.
didn't really answer my question but thanks.
We are not gonna go and pick BB and 4D if that's what you guys are thinking.
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1.) You need to revive and survive to make your score count. This has been the same on last OWC, too.pielak213 wrote:
The reason we didn't have hard maps in the last owc is because failing would make it so your score won't count. The rules clearly states that failing won't do that this tournament.
There was recently a "suggest a map" poll to help determine the maps for owc. There was a line somewhere that said "all suggestions will be considered". I would be extremely surprised if everyone didn't choose the hardest maps they know to watch the best players of each country face off in the hardest maps average players can think of.
2.) Considered doesn't mean picked. Many people picked THE BIG BLACK, even if it's like a huge NO for OWC. Just because it has been suggested 100 times, it doesn't rise it's chances.
3.) We have two dedicates and experienced map selectors doing a good job. Trust them.
4.) Hard is relative. Please keep in mind that details determine a winner. Not the ones being able to play clusterpoop.
Will there be a lot of ar9 dts?Wishy wrote:
We are not gonna go and pick BB and 4D if that's what you guys are thinking.
The reason we didn't have hard maps in the last owc is because failing would make it so your score won't count. The rules clearly states that failing won't do that this tournament.I expect maps to be harder than those last year, but still no big blacks and similar. EVEN IF there was some extremely hard map in pool, noone would possibly even CONSIDER playing it with EZ. Also as Loctav said, Hard is relative. It surprises me that an experienced player as you think that playing those EXTREMES is the way to see who is better. Remember this is a rhythm game, not tetris where you need only speed and aim. the best player should be able to play various maps, not only 250 bpm long streams and square jumps.
There was recently a "suggest a map" poll to help determine the maps for owc. There was a line somewhere that said "all suggestions will be considered". I would be extremely surprised if everyone didn't choose the hardest maps they know to watch the best players of each country face off in the hardest maps average players can think of.
Not to mention that players don't simply make a good combo in every try on an very hard map. During OWC we'll have one chance and all that under massive pressure, so simple luck would be essential for a team to win. I think luck shouldn't be the most important factor which decides who wins.
oh shit pls nopielak213 wrote:
Will there be a lot of ar9 dts?Wishy wrote:
We are not gonna go and pick BB and 4D if that's what you guys are thinking.
Actually, there's only going to be AR8-7 Insanes rotating around 140-160bpm. I've seen to it.
there's gonna be all sorts of maps now, we had a suggestion pool of over 500 maps if I recall correctly.
Maybe more.
there's gonna be all sorts of maps now, we had a suggestion pool of over 500 maps if I recall correctly.
Maybe more.
Watching the live stream of OWC3 was the first time my sis thought that Osu! was cool :3 I really hope to see more amazing maps played this year ^^
Also love to support my own country OwO)/
Also putting BB there would be near ridiculous
Also love to support my own country OwO)/
Also putting BB there would be near ridiculous
no love for 100-140Mr Color wrote:
Actually, there's only going to be AR8-7 Insanes rotating around 140-160bpm. I've seen to it.
there's gonna be all sorts of maps now, we had a suggestion pool of over 500 maps if I recall correctly.
Maybe more.
would love the map pool to have a higher difficulty to it, i mean last year was really who could random miss the most to be honest.
Error that shouldn't happen this year: in groupstage match order should be
1v4 & 2v3
1v3 & 2v4
1v2 & 3v4
Last year the last groupstage match was useless in many groups. Top seeds (1&2) should decide who gets 1st place in the last match (assuming they both win their first two matches).
1v4 & 2v3
1v3 & 2v4
1v2 & 3v4
Last year the last groupstage match was useless in many groups. Top seeds (1&2) should decide who gets 1st place in the last match (assuming they both win their first two matches).
Easy mod shouldn't be excluded, what makes 1 mod worse then the others? Alternatively ban FL and easymod.darkmiz wrote:
Why is flashlight allowed in free mod
Where's the love for NoFail?
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1558 to be more precise.Mr Color wrote:
Maybe more.
all i remember was people saying the maps were too hard in the first roundbuny wrote:
no love for 100-140Mr Color wrote:
Actually, there's only going to be AR8-7 Insanes rotating around 140-160bpm. I've seen to it.
there's gonna be all sorts of maps now, we had a suggestion pool of over 500 maps if I recall correctly.
Maybe more.
would love the map pool to have a higher difficulty to it, i mean last year was really who could random miss the most to be honest.
all i remember was people saying the maps were too hard in the first roundI think they were easy, too easy. first round is the worst since most of teams can FC maps from the pool easily and random misses might decide that Madagascar wins over Korea. Starting from high level of difficulty, i.e maps which really need some "more" than just basic osu! skills would be better IMO.
Not saying this because I'm a member of (probably) seeded team. (we won't make it to top 16 anyway /me runs)
so... uh, what's stopping the dualscreeners to put on FL on their freemod map plays during the great matches and rack up the points needed to win? it'd seriously be better to not allow it, as no one is going to put in the massive effort it is to learn the maps well enough to consistently fc them under the massive pressure, or at least not do a legit run.
Maybe the first two matches can be swapped. I thought the first seed should get an easy match first but that makes a harder match in the first round for the second seed which is "unfair". But the last match must be 1v2 & 3v4.Metro wrote:
Error that shouldn't happen this year: in groupstage match order should be
1v4 & 2v3
1v3 & 2v4
1v2 & 3v4
Last year the last groupstage match was useless in many groups. Top seeds (1&2) should decide who gets 1st place in the last match (assuming they both win their first two matches).
whatXplayer1 wrote:
Last year it was streamed on http://www.twitch.tv/osuworldcup
I'm hyped for the greatest championship in all of e-sports. It'll be nice to see the new default skin featured as looking at the old VODs hurts my eyes with the old 300s I haven't seen in so long :3
i remember no such thingsilmarilen wrote:
all i remember was people saying the maps were too hard in the first round
-GN wrote:
so... uh, what's stopping the dualscreeners to put on FL on their freemod map plays during the great matches and rack up the points needed to win?
Nothing.
-GN wrote:
It'd seriously be better to not allow it, as no one is going to put in the massive effort it is to learn the maps well enough to consistently fc them under the massive pressure, or at least not do a legit run.
My heart is for this all the way.
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Wouldn't it be quite obvious? 
So you're allowing FL on the premise that anybody who actually uses it and FCs stuff is clearly cheating?
let me refresh your memorybuny wrote:
i remember no such thingsilmarilen wrote:
all i remember was people saying the maps were too hard in the first round
p/1912598
Interesting stuff I found browsing last owc thread:
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
Tanzklaue: http://puu.sh/1mjt4
Wishy: http://puu.sh/1ongw
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
Tanzklaue: http://puu.sh/1mjt4
Wishy: http://puu.sh/1ongw
not just that post, read through the next page(s) aswellbuny wrote:
wow i really hope he was trollingsilmarilen wrote:
let me refresh your memory
p/1912598
though the skill level of the entire community would have increased a lot since last year.
damn, it's so sad to see that difficulty is relative to how hard it is to fc somethingsilmarilen wrote:
not just that post, read through the next page(s) aswell
maps that everyone can fc in 2-3 tries won't make this interesting. Maps where combos are much harder to get without people losing because of a silly mistake are a lot more skill-based rather than luck-based, as well as more intense but i guess everyone just wants maps they can play confidently and boils down to whoever randomly spiked and accuracy
i thought this was meant for top tier players to play, not scrub tier "oh fc no mod first try" players come to pp farm in
also looking at last years finals map pool, those maps are pretty easy and only difficulty in the sense of "fcing" them which also disappoints me (hell i have quite a few ranks in some of those songs when i was in the 4 digits, the 1s i don't i have A's with a few misses that i could probably replace with now)
Regarding map selection, we will be picking maps with Darksonic, he and I will judge if the map is on the right range of difficulty. AR 9 DTs will probably come up on semi finals (maybe just finals) because of their difficulty. This being said, you can expect to see some very hard maps getting played on this tournament.
However, we have yet to agree on certain points, some of these being:
a- How much are FCs gonna be worth.
b- How to deal with Hidden maps, what to look for.
c- Base difficulty for DTs, how hard they should be and what is gonna be the "difficulty" of them.
Etc.
Remember that, in any case, the way we are gonna manage the map selection has changed, and we will probably be aiming for challenging maps instead of 8 FC accuracy wars.
So in any case TRUST ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!11!!1
However, we have yet to agree on certain points, some of these being:
a- How much are FCs gonna be worth.
b- How to deal with Hidden maps, what to look for.
c- Base difficulty for DTs, how hard they should be and what is gonna be the "difficulty" of them.
Etc.
Remember that, in any case, the way we are gonna manage the map selection has changed, and we will probably be aiming for challenging maps instead of 8 FC accuracy wars.
So in any case TRUST ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!11!!1
I still have the spreadsheet, for those interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharingMetro wrote:
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
That's what I wanted yeahhh thanks.XPJ38 wrote:
I still have the spreadsheet, for those interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharingMetro wrote:
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
that's reassuring to know.Wishy wrote:
Regarding map selection, we will be picking maps with Darksonic, he and I will judge if the map is on the right range of difficulty. AR 9 DTs will probably come up on semi finals (maybe just finals) because of their difficulty. This being said, you can expect to see some very hard maps getting played on this tournament.
However, we have yet to agree on certain points, some of these being:
a- How much are FCs gonna be worth.
b- How to deal with Hidden maps, what to look for.
c- Base difficulty for DTs, how hard they should be and what is gonna be the "difficulty" of them.
Etc.
Remember that, in any case, the way we are gonna manage the map selection has changed, and we will probably be aiming for challenging maps instead of 8 FC accuracy wars.
So in any case TRUST ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!11!!1
i know that it must be hard to find challenging maps in the first place, given map selection is limited to only ranked maps, and as we all know most ranked maps are only mapped for the sole purpose of...getting ranked really, with the most minimal effort into quality as possible.
also hoping that hr in the group stages isn't flooded with low od maps, dt being an accuracy war and hd being dt maps are picked again
This is the best map suggestion we've found so far. xd
tiper
Registration Phase: 15-28 Oct 2013
If less than 4 players attend, the maximum time the match will be postponed is 20 minutes.Why can't a team play with 3 players? Is it so devastating to the "show"? Various reasons may stop players from showing up and losing a match without a fight would be lame (especially when the rest of the team wanted to play anyway)
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If you have no time to participate, don't sign up in the first place.
Your team size is 8 to compensate these cases and to ensure that you can find 4 to participate on every match. Not for tactical purposes in the first place.
Your team size is 8 to compensate these cases and to ensure that you can find 4 to participate on every match. Not for tactical purposes in the first place.
I can only see this being the potential foundation for some hefty drama when some team insists "no, it's legit this guy practiced for like a year". This type of memorization mod has no place in a skill tournament anyway, unless you're putting low-tier Hard diffs into the freemod bracket.Loctav wrote:
Wouldn't it be quite obvious?
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Put your bias aside. It start's getting boring. I am not interested in your drama.
Memorization is a skill, not a skill you like, but yet a skill. Also this is no "FL SUCKS" thread, so step aside. (Most people won't pick FL anyways, it's not like random people participate here, 95% of the registered people are well-known)
Memorization is a skill, not a skill you like, but yet a skill. Also this is no "FL SUCKS" thread, so step aside. (Most people won't pick FL anyways, it's not like random people participate here, 95% of the registered people are well-known)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/125660?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/134948?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/76775?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/17251?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/48450?m=0Loctav wrote:
Put your bias aside. It start's getting boring. I am not interested in your drama.
Memorization is a skill, not a skill you like, but yet a skill. Also this is no "FL SUCKS" thread, so step aside. (Most people won't pick FL anyways, it's not like random people participate here, 95% of the registered people are well-known)
I know pretty well what FL is and not is - don't assume I don't. I am not bashing FL, I'm not saying it sucks, but I'm saying it's the kind of memorization skill you'd require damn near inhuman reflexes and consistency to pull off FCs with in a tournament. I'm proposing we drop FL as a mod in the freemod, as it'd just bring drama and cheating accusations(at the very least) if someone decided they'd use it. Why not spare yourself the potential trouble?
I have to agree with GN here since FL would only bring trouble to the tournament, also i don't really think it's that fun to watch since i rather watch a tournament in similar conditions, i have to agree as well that stubbornness and stubbornness only will make it stay as it is.
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Probably never :CHernan wrote:
Just wondering when Loctav is gonna learn some manners
@-GN We can deal with the dramas in case they arise. No need to be afraid of the monster under the bed.
Ever heard of "an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure" or "better safe than sorry"? That's the point we're trying to make here. And we all agree on removing FL.
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Just because you consider FL as "not worth for tournaments" and a hand-full people agree with you, it's not valid.
Let's more say it like this: I remember tons of people being heavily against mod brackets. Now they are established. Give it a chance. If it sucks, we can remove it later.
Let's more say it like this: I remember tons of people being heavily against mod brackets. Now they are established. Give it a chance. If it sucks, we can remove it later.
Mod brackets are very different to flashlight usage lol but it's impossible to reason anything with you.
Let's give it a chance, is not like the world will end, there should be some maps that could fit perfectly for fl.Metro wrote:
Mod brackets are very different to flashlight usage lol but it's impossible to reason anything with you.
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I do see your point why you consider it as "not worth it" or why you are afraid of cheaters using it. It's not like I do not understand your concerns. But the reasons are still based on assumptions and fears, opinions and tastes - which differ widely. I see no harm in allowing FL in FreeMod, especially because it's in FreeMod. Think about the chances of it's usage and think about, if it's even worth making noise about an option that probably no one is going to use. I remember a lot of cases where people were heavily against certain changes in the world cups, starting with mapselection at all, ending with mod brackets and commentators. Out of my experience, I tend to give things a chance. And iirc, the map selectors agreed with me on that.
We all know how good you guys are at this.Loctav wrote:
We can deal with the dramas in case they arise. No need to be afraid of the monster under the bed.
pls someone practice FL, I demand some drama
Pretty sure we had a poll on some of the things people disagreed on last year, do it again and I'm 99% sure it'll be a landslide against FL.Loctav wrote:
Just because you consider FL as "not worth for tournaments" and a hand-full people agree with you, it's not valid.
Let's more say it like this: I remember tons of people being heavily against mod brackets. Now they are established. Give it a chance. If it sucks, we can remove it later.
So you can just get an easy 1-0 if you tell everyone from your team to FL practice the lowest-combo map on the free-mod bracket?
Seems very unlikely because of the pressure situation and that stuff, but still may happen. Whatever, though
Seems very unlikely because of the pressure situation and that stuff, but still may happen. Whatever, though
No player likes this addition and i can see how you like it being a casual osu standard player, you already know it probabbly won't be used anyways, so i don't see a problem making a poll about it to determine it's usage.
Also, can the warmup map decide who gets to choose first as it did in the previous owc or is the !roll a must?
Also, can the warmup map decide who gets to choose first as it did in the previous owc or is the !roll a must?
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Stuff like this doesn't get decided by a poll. Like eldnl said, give it a chance and let's try it. If you were right about it's inappropriate existence in the owc, we will notice and adjust our rules to it.
We had our concerns, too. But instead of adding an entire FL bracket, we decided for this way to see how good FL is received in matches self - not in prior discussions. Let us make the experience how it works out. And then decide.
If you don't make a huge drama of it (this is dependent on your own discretion), we can sort it out in a civil manner.
But bare words do not convince me or the rest of the management, yet we share certain concerns. But we are not conservative.
!roll is a must.
We had our concerns, too. But instead of adding an entire FL bracket, we decided for this way to see how good FL is received in matches self - not in prior discussions. Let us make the experience how it works out. And then decide.
If you don't make a huge drama of it (this is dependent on your own discretion), we can sort it out in a civil manner.
But bare words do not convince me or the rest of the management, yet we share certain concerns. But we are not conservative.
!roll is a must.
I really hope we don't keep flashlight mod. It will not be fun to play for most participants, and it would not be fun to watch. Nobody wants to open up the stream and see 7 people frantically throwing their cursor all over the screen constantly missing and getting 100s/50s and 1 person who practiced that map for a week click circles nobody can see. It's not fun for the players, and it's not fun for the viewers. At least hidden is fun to play and watch. I think we should have a vote for flashlight mod. This is the one big osu! community tournament for the year that everyone looks forward to, so I think the community should be able to decide if FL should be allowed. It is always a controversial mod here on the forums, whether any of the claims are true or not. This is supposed to be a fun tournament to bring the world together to play some osu, not tear it apart. I can only see FL causing rifts between the community, so why allow it? My opinion is only one of many, but I think this is an issue that is important.
Put it to a vote and let the community decide.
Put it to a vote and let the community decide.
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Based on the first lines of your post, you didn't understand how freemod works. I stopped reading then since your whole post was based on a false fundament
That is just ignorant. He still brings up some good points.Loctav wrote:
Based on the first lines of your post, you didn't understand how freemod works. I stopped reading then since your whole post was based on a false fundament
Thatgooey wrote:
This is the one big osu! community tournament for the year that everyone looks forward to, so I think the community should be able to decide if FL should be allowed. It is always a controversial mod here on the forums, whether any of the claims are true or not. This is supposed to be a fun tournament to bring the world together to play some osu
I think Thatgooey meant to say that he wanted a no-flashlight-rule associated with freemod. As in, players can pick any mod except FL. Which I agree with for the same reasons stated by him.Loctav wrote:
Based on the first lines of your post, you didn't understand how freemod works. I stopped reading then since your whole post was based on a false fundament
Additionally, what if FL is allowed and someone cheats? So you end up with 7 crappy scores/fails and 1 good cheated score, with the cheater's team picking only freemod maps and winning every single time.
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You should not worry about cheaters.
There are certain the reasons, why we don't decide that via a poll.
The poll jesus mentioned was also not official iirc?
If we would let the community decide about everything, we would still have an OWC without any mods and an OWC where the mappools gets designed by pressing F2 in map selection 15 times.
There are certain the reasons, why we don't decide that via a poll.
The poll jesus mentioned was also not official iirc?
If we would let the community decide about everything, we would still have an OWC without any mods and an OWC where the mappools gets designed by pressing F2 in map selection 15 times.
Sooo. I'm still waiting on a reply to my PM, Loctav. It's been almost two days now.
Plenty of highly experienced players propose the FL to be removed. Other highly experienced players agree. I wonder what's the point you're trying to make by keeping it there for no matter what. Listen to players for once, they're the base of this game and this tournament is for them, and them only.