Interesting stuff I found browsing last owc thread:
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
Tanzklaue: http://puu.sh/1mjt4
Wishy: http://puu.sh/1ongw
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
Tanzklaue: http://puu.sh/1mjt4
Wishy: http://puu.sh/1ongw
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not just that post, read through the next page(s) aswellbuny wrote:
wow i really hope he was trollingsilmarilen wrote:
let me refresh your memory
p/1912598
though the skill level of the entire community would have increased a lot since last year.
damn, it's so sad to see that difficulty is relative to how hard it is to fc somethingsilmarilen wrote:
not just that post, read through the next page(s) aswell
maps that everyone can fc in 2-3 tries won't make this interesting. Maps where combos are much harder to get without people losing because of a silly mistake are a lot more skill-based rather than luck-based, as well as more intense but i guess everyone just wants maps they can play confidently and boils down to whoever randomly spiked and accuracy
i thought this was meant for top tier players to play, not scrub tier "oh fc no mod first try" players come to pp farm in
also looking at last years finals map pool, those maps are pretty easy and only difficulty in the sense of "fcing" them which also disappoints me (hell i have quite a few ranks in some of those songs when i was in the 4 digits, the 1s i don't i have A's with a few misses that i could probably replace with now)
Regarding map selection, we will be picking maps with Darksonic, he and I will judge if the map is on the right range of difficulty. AR 9 DTs will probably come up on semi finals (maybe just finals) because of their difficulty. This being said, you can expect to see some very hard maps getting played on this tournament.
However, we have yet to agree on certain points, some of these being:
a- How much are FCs gonna be worth.
b- How to deal with Hidden maps, what to look for.
c- Base difficulty for DTs, how hard they should be and what is gonna be the "difficulty" of them.
Etc.
Remember that, in any case, the way we are gonna manage the map selection has changed, and we will probably be aiming for challenging maps instead of 8 FC accuracy wars.
So in any case TRUST ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!11!!1
However, we have yet to agree on certain points, some of these being:
a- How much are FCs gonna be worth.
b- How to deal with Hidden maps, what to look for.
c- Base difficulty for DTs, how hard they should be and what is gonna be the "difficulty" of them.
Etc.
Remember that, in any case, the way we are gonna manage the map selection has changed, and we will probably be aiming for challenging maps instead of 8 FC accuracy wars.
So in any case TRUST ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!11!!1
I still have the spreadsheet, for those interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharingMetro wrote:
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
That's what I wanted yeahhh thanks.XPJ38 wrote:
I still have the spreadsheet, for those interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharingMetro wrote:
XPJ38: http://puu.sh/1lZiy
that's reassuring to know.Wishy wrote:
Regarding map selection, we will be picking maps with Darksonic, he and I will judge if the map is on the right range of difficulty. AR 9 DTs will probably come up on semi finals (maybe just finals) because of their difficulty. This being said, you can expect to see some very hard maps getting played on this tournament.
However, we have yet to agree on certain points, some of these being:
a- How much are FCs gonna be worth.
b- How to deal with Hidden maps, what to look for.
c- Base difficulty for DTs, how hard they should be and what is gonna be the "difficulty" of them.
Etc.
Remember that, in any case, the way we are gonna manage the map selection has changed, and we will probably be aiming for challenging maps instead of 8 FC accuracy wars.
So in any case TRUST ARGENTINA!!!!!!!!11!!1
i know that it must be hard to find challenging maps in the first place, given map selection is limited to only ranked maps, and as we all know most ranked maps are only mapped for the sole purpose of...getting ranked really, with the most minimal effort into quality as possible.
also hoping that hr in the group stages isn't flooded with low od maps, dt being an accuracy war and hd being dt maps are picked again
This is the best map suggestion we've found so far. xd
tiper
Registration Phase: 15-28 Oct 2013
If less than 4 players attend, the maximum time the match will be postponed is 20 minutes.Why can't a team play with 3 players? Is it so devastating to the "show"? Various reasons may stop players from showing up and losing a match without a fight would be lame (especially when the rest of the team wanted to play anyway)
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If you have no time to participate, don't sign up in the first place.
Your team size is 8 to compensate these cases and to ensure that you can find 4 to participate on every match. Not for tactical purposes in the first place.
Your team size is 8 to compensate these cases and to ensure that you can find 4 to participate on every match. Not for tactical purposes in the first place.
I can only see this being the potential foundation for some hefty drama when some team insists "no, it's legit this guy practiced for like a year". This type of memorization mod has no place in a skill tournament anyway, unless you're putting low-tier Hard diffs into the freemod bracket.Loctav wrote:
Wouldn't it be quite obvious?
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Put your bias aside. It start's getting boring. I am not interested in your drama.
Memorization is a skill, not a skill you like, but yet a skill. Also this is no "FL SUCKS" thread, so step aside. (Most people won't pick FL anyways, it's not like random people participate here, 95% of the registered people are well-known)
Memorization is a skill, not a skill you like, but yet a skill. Also this is no "FL SUCKS" thread, so step aside. (Most people won't pick FL anyways, it's not like random people participate here, 95% of the registered people are well-known)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/125660?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/134948?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/76775?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/17251?m=0 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/48450?m=0Loctav wrote:
Put your bias aside. It start's getting boring. I am not interested in your drama.
Memorization is a skill, not a skill you like, but yet a skill. Also this is no "FL SUCKS" thread, so step aside. (Most people won't pick FL anyways, it's not like random people participate here, 95% of the registered people are well-known)
I know pretty well what FL is and not is - don't assume I don't. I am not bashing FL, I'm not saying it sucks, but I'm saying it's the kind of memorization skill you'd require damn near inhuman reflexes and consistency to pull off FCs with in a tournament. I'm proposing we drop FL as a mod in the freemod, as it'd just bring drama and cheating accusations(at the very least) if someone decided they'd use it. Why not spare yourself the potential trouble?
I have to agree with GN here since FL would only bring trouble to the tournament, also i don't really think it's that fun to watch since i rather watch a tournament in similar conditions, i have to agree as well that stubbornness and stubbornness only will make it stay as it is.
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Probably never :CHernan wrote:
Just wondering when Loctav is gonna learn some manners
@-GN We can deal with the dramas in case they arise. No need to be afraid of the monster under the bed.
Ever heard of "an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure" or "better safe than sorry"? That's the point we're trying to make here. And we all agree on removing FL.
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Just because you consider FL as "not worth for tournaments" and a hand-full people agree with you, it's not valid.
Let's more say it like this: I remember tons of people being heavily against mod brackets. Now they are established. Give it a chance. If it sucks, we can remove it later.
Let's more say it like this: I remember tons of people being heavily against mod brackets. Now they are established. Give it a chance. If it sucks, we can remove it later.
Mod brackets are very different to flashlight usage lol but it's impossible to reason anything with you.
Let's give it a chance, is not like the world will end, there should be some maps that could fit perfectly for fl.Metro wrote:
Mod brackets are very different to flashlight usage lol but it's impossible to reason anything with you.
Topic Starter
I do see your point why you consider it as "not worth it" or why you are afraid of cheaters using it. It's not like I do not understand your concerns. But the reasons are still based on assumptions and fears, opinions and tastes - which differ widely. I see no harm in allowing FL in FreeMod, especially because it's in FreeMod. Think about the chances of it's usage and think about, if it's even worth making noise about an option that probably no one is going to use. I remember a lot of cases where people were heavily against certain changes in the world cups, starting with mapselection at all, ending with mod brackets and commentators. Out of my experience, I tend to give things a chance. And iirc, the map selectors agreed with me on that.
We all know how good you guys are at this.Loctav wrote:
We can deal with the dramas in case they arise. No need to be afraid of the monster under the bed.
pls someone practice FL, I demand some drama
Pretty sure we had a poll on some of the things people disagreed on last year, do it again and I'm 99% sure it'll be a landslide against FL.Loctav wrote:
Just because you consider FL as "not worth for tournaments" and a hand-full people agree with you, it's not valid.
Let's more say it like this: I remember tons of people being heavily against mod brackets. Now they are established. Give it a chance. If it sucks, we can remove it later.
So you can just get an easy 1-0 if you tell everyone from your team to FL practice the lowest-combo map on the free-mod bracket?
Seems very unlikely because of the pressure situation and that stuff, but still may happen. Whatever, though
Seems very unlikely because of the pressure situation and that stuff, but still may happen. Whatever, though
No player likes this addition and i can see how you like it being a casual osu standard player, you already know it probabbly won't be used anyways, so i don't see a problem making a poll about it to determine it's usage.
Also, can the warmup map decide who gets to choose first as it did in the previous owc or is the !roll a must?
Also, can the warmup map decide who gets to choose first as it did in the previous owc or is the !roll a must?
Topic Starter
Stuff like this doesn't get decided by a poll. Like eldnl said, give it a chance and let's try it. If you were right about it's inappropriate existence in the owc, we will notice and adjust our rules to it.
We had our concerns, too. But instead of adding an entire FL bracket, we decided for this way to see how good FL is received in matches self - not in prior discussions. Let us make the experience how it works out. And then decide.
If you don't make a huge drama of it (this is dependent on your own discretion), we can sort it out in a civil manner.
But bare words do not convince me or the rest of the management, yet we share certain concerns. But we are not conservative.
!roll is a must.
We had our concerns, too. But instead of adding an entire FL bracket, we decided for this way to see how good FL is received in matches self - not in prior discussions. Let us make the experience how it works out. And then decide.
If you don't make a huge drama of it (this is dependent on your own discretion), we can sort it out in a civil manner.
But bare words do not convince me or the rest of the management, yet we share certain concerns. But we are not conservative.
!roll is a must.
I really hope we don't keep flashlight mod. It will not be fun to play for most participants, and it would not be fun to watch. Nobody wants to open up the stream and see 7 people frantically throwing their cursor all over the screen constantly missing and getting 100s/50s and 1 person who practiced that map for a week click circles nobody can see. It's not fun for the players, and it's not fun for the viewers. At least hidden is fun to play and watch. I think we should have a vote for flashlight mod. This is the one big osu! community tournament for the year that everyone looks forward to, so I think the community should be able to decide if FL should be allowed. It is always a controversial mod here on the forums, whether any of the claims are true or not. This is supposed to be a fun tournament to bring the world together to play some osu, not tear it apart. I can only see FL causing rifts between the community, so why allow it? My opinion is only one of many, but I think this is an issue that is important.
Put it to a vote and let the community decide.
Put it to a vote and let the community decide.
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Based on the first lines of your post, you didn't understand how freemod works. I stopped reading then since your whole post was based on a false fundament
That is just ignorant. He still brings up some good points.Loctav wrote:
Based on the first lines of your post, you didn't understand how freemod works. I stopped reading then since your whole post was based on a false fundament
Thatgooey wrote:
This is the one big osu! community tournament for the year that everyone looks forward to, so I think the community should be able to decide if FL should be allowed. It is always a controversial mod here on the forums, whether any of the claims are true or not. This is supposed to be a fun tournament to bring the world together to play some osu
I think Thatgooey meant to say that he wanted a no-flashlight-rule associated with freemod. As in, players can pick any mod except FL. Which I agree with for the same reasons stated by him.Loctav wrote:
Based on the first lines of your post, you didn't understand how freemod works. I stopped reading then since your whole post was based on a false fundament
Additionally, what if FL is allowed and someone cheats? So you end up with 7 crappy scores/fails and 1 good cheated score, with the cheater's team picking only freemod maps and winning every single time.
Topic Starter
You should not worry about cheaters.
There are certain the reasons, why we don't decide that via a poll.
The poll jesus mentioned was also not official iirc?
If we would let the community decide about everything, we would still have an OWC without any mods and an OWC where the mappools gets designed by pressing F2 in map selection 15 times.
There are certain the reasons, why we don't decide that via a poll.
The poll jesus mentioned was also not official iirc?
If we would let the community decide about everything, we would still have an OWC without any mods and an OWC where the mappools gets designed by pressing F2 in map selection 15 times.
Sooo. I'm still waiting on a reply to my PM, Loctav. It's been almost two days now.
Plenty of highly experienced players propose the FL to be removed. Other highly experienced players agree. I wonder what's the point you're trying to make by keeping it there for no matter what. Listen to players for once, they're the base of this game and this tournament is for them, and them only.
same.Azer wrote:
Sooo. I'm still waiting on a reply to my PM, Loctav. It's been almost two days now.
well, the organizers insist on making the FL thingy happen. players don't want it. I don't like FL too.fartownik wrote:
Plenty of highly experienced players propose the FL to be removed. Other highly experienced players agree. I wonder what's the point you're trying to make by keeping it there for no matter what. Listen to players for once, they're the base of this game and this tournament is for them, and them only.
If they won't listen to our request, can we all agree that we won't use FL in the tournament?
