because probably we have at least one investigation roleDakeDekaane wrote:
Why would you want to gather possible PR info?
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rEdo wrote:
that's not only the point, we will also see the associations between people - somebody's defending somebody else, who's offensive against who and such - with this we could deduce a potential scum combo, and that's the point of this game, isn't it? massclaiming is not a way to avoid that, I don't know why you even associate these things with each other.
again, if you want to lynch d1 we better vote early, since we may have to vote for 12 people and to listen to 12 claims. Do you think it will take less than 6 days?NoHitter wrote:
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?Sephibro wrote:
At that point 1 among A and B is scum, so we have 50% chance of lynching scum, and we'll not have a massclaim
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.Sephibro wrote:
(which is what probably would happen in case we decide to random lynch d1, since each role is unique).
Since when did a D1 random lynch equate to a D1 massclaim? You assume that people will stop voting a claimed person right away, but that isn't always the case.Sephibro wrote:
Btw if you want the random lynch d1, be aware that it will probably cause a massclaim
In the first place were not random lynching anyway. We're lynching based on how suspicious someone is.
And what do you have to gain by provoking people into voting you?Sephibro wrote:
Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
BTW, the deadline is on the 19th. That's roughly 12 days from now - not 6.
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Topic Starter
Rantai replaces Raging Bull effective immediately.
Welcome Rantai!
Also:
Also:
Can I ask why you voted me?Sakura wrote:
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ERRATA CORRIGE:
I appreciate Sakura's vote on NH much more than NH's and rEdo's FoSs on me. Since everybody except me seems very willing to see somebody lynched D1, let this pressure marathon begin
PS. Welcome Rantai!
Sephibro wrote:
again, if you want to lynch d1 we better vote early, since we may have to vote for 12 people and to listen to 12 claims. Do you think it will take less than 12 days?
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.NoHitter wrote:
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?
I hope this is a joke, since every role is an anime character, do you expect being more than 1 Furude Rika, for example?NoHitter wrote:
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
it doesn't equate to a massclaim, but most likely it would lead to a massclaim since each role is unique.NoHitter wrote:
Since when did a D1 random lynch equate to a D1 massclaim?
I appreciate Sakura's vote on NH much more than NH's and rEdo's FoSs on me. Since everybody except me seems very willing to see somebody lynched D1, let this pressure marathon begin
PS. Welcome Rantai!
Point conceded.Sephibro wrote:
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.NoHitter wrote:
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?
Yes each CHARACTER may be unique, but what's to say that the ABILITIES assigned to a character is NOT unique.Sephibro wrote:
I hope this is a joke, since every role is an anime character, do you expect being more than 1 Furude Rika, for example?NoHitter wrote:
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
e.g. Rika and Rena both being Vanilla
You assumed that each of the characters will have unique roles when we didn't know if there were repetition of roles.
with "role" i actually mean "character"
and i have all the reasons to think that each character has different abilities from the others, so calling it "role" is still correct
and i have all the reasons to think that each character has different abilities from the others, so calling it "role" is still correct
Oh well, I see, but by nervous manner i simply mean that you kinda focus on 'early' and that votes go 'jumpy', are you worried that it hits you?NoHitter wrote:
What do you mean by nervous manner?Irreversible wrote:
I'll surely mess up if I quote the stuff above, but what I wanna say is:
Because it's still early?
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for.
Why are you so jumpy?
Do we lynch randomly?
These are things NoHitter just said in the text above, and shows a kinda nervous manner, imo. But I 100% agree with "Votes should be well thought out. ", that's how I wanna work as well - unfortunately I got judged by that last time.
Also, you kind of removed the last quote out of context. It was addressed to Sephibro, not pieguy.
this is not townlike, people taught me, why would you want people to vote you?Sephibro wrote:
Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
@Sakura: What a reaction test.. xD
Hi guys, 3:30 am right now, will read up tomorrow.
good morning *o* lol. xD
i'm not asking people to vote me, it would be very retarded, i'm just telling how i think they should playIrreversible wrote:
this is not townlike, people taught me, why would you want people to vote you?
Btw as we saw in vengeful mafia, if we reach deadline and lynch random, most likely we lynch town (i didn't make this observation there because i was mafia, and in fact we won D1). So this is how we should play imo:
- No Lynch d1, but most of you don't like this choice
- Pressure somebody ASAP, NoHitter is the best one atm
Also, i would like BRBP, DakeDekaane, Blue Yoshi and Zexion_Vi to be more involved in the discussion
Nice oneSephibro wrote:
because probably we have at least one investigation roleDakeDekaane wrote:
Why would you want to gather possible PR info?
Both of you are just talking about useless stuff, most of them is setup speculation, which helps no one but scum, though my vote on Sephibro was RV, I won't move it because I got a scum-read on him.
I also disagree on No-Lynch, even if scum cannot perform a NK, the HS of some people will go up, and it's possible we can lose more than a single townie in a single night, due this, we also should be careful on who we lynch.
IMO no lynch is like one of the worst things you can do
I'll never forget in Touhou PyP IV everyone NL'ed on the first day and then they had no idea what to do on the next day. then the same thing happened in Mystery Mafia. any lynch at least gives us info in the form of a flip. even if we lynch a PR, the benefit the info gains should help us scumhunt enough to outweigh it.
also, how will lynching someone on D1 lead to a massclaim? as far as I can remember what usually happens is someone gets lynched when their claim isn't believable or is weak, so not everyone claims.
also you all should join my game ;w;
I'll never forget in Touhou PyP IV everyone NL'ed on the first day and then they had no idea what to do on the next day. then the same thing happened in Mystery Mafia. any lynch at least gives us info in the form of a flip. even if we lynch a PR, the benefit the info gains should help us scumhunt enough to outweigh it.
also, how will lynching someone on D1 lead to a massclaim? as far as I can remember what usually happens is someone gets lynched when their claim isn't believable or is weak, so not everyone claims.
and just how do you expect to get sure information on D1?NoHItter wrote:
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
last time people said this was in Touhou PyP IV and in the end everyone had a PR. so I don't think it even matters if the mod said it was role madness or not. then again it was my game so >< Honestly I'm thinking everyone has a PR of some sort, similarly to Touhou IV.NoHItter wrote:
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
why can't I change my vote till then? and how am I being "jumpy"?NoHItter wrote:
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?
you'll see if people decide to do something (and with doing something i mean pressuring someone, NH in this case)pieguy1372 wrote:
also, how will lynching someone on D1 lead to a massclaim?
here we go:pieguy1372 wrote:
last time people said this was in Touhou PyP IV and in the end everyone had a PR. so I don't think it even matters if the mod said it was role madness or not. then again it was my game so >< Honestly I'm thinking everyone has a PR of some sort, similarly to Touhou IV.
@mod:
1. each character has at least one ability or passive, am i right?
2. does each character have both passive and active ability?
3. does every character have 2 personal abilities or not? are there some with less? are there some with more?
Please answer all the questions you can
Topic Starter
1. Correct.Sephibro wrote:
@mod:
1. each character has at least one ability or passive, am i right?
2. does each character have both passive and active ability?
3. does every character have 2 personal abilities or not? are there some with less? are there some with more?
Please answer all the questions you can
2. I cannot answer this question.
3. I cannot answer this question.
thank you caligno, that's enough
as you can see i was right NH
as you can see i was right NH
you'll see if people decide to do something (and with doing something i mean pressuring someone, NH in this case)so if we do something it'll lead to a massclaim, which is bad?
by that logic, we shouldn't do anything, for fear of a massclaim
how are we supposed to find the mafia then? waiting around for who knows how long for an investigative role which may or may not even exist isn't very effective
what you're implying is that we'd run each individual person up to L - 1 and then they all claim and we don't lynch them in the end, right? who said we can't lynch people who claim?
Some characters are for sure in the game. If someone claims one of those roles and there's no crossclaim, i'm gonna trust him 100%
If there's a crossclaim, we're set, as at least one of the two is scum
Then there are the "outsider" roles, which are i guess 5 maybe? SCUM ARE AMONG THESE CLAIMS FOR SURE
Well gg, i just realized that massclaiming is the right strategy to win this game
@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
If there's a crossclaim, we're set, as at least one of the two is scum
Then there are the "outsider" roles, which are i guess 5 maybe? SCUM ARE AMONG THESE CLAIMS FOR SURE
Well gg, i just realized that massclaiming is the right strategy to win this game
@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.
By the way, everybody let me know if you agree with me, or if you need further explaination or any clarification on the strategy
By the way, everybody let me know if you agree with me, or if you need further explaination or any clarification on the strategy
Topic Starter
I cannot answer this question.Sephibro wrote:
@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
I found it a little strange people were taking RVS votes semi-seriously, but I think that's a minor point at the moment.
@Sephibro, I'm a little confused on what you mean by "outsider" roles. Are you talking about secondary characters or some such?
Because I fell that Caligno would not make a set up as obvious as "All main characters are definitely in and therefore confirmed not fake" (not fake because he has specifically stated that characters can be any alignment, at least that's how I read it)
@Sephibro, I'm a little confused on what you mean by "outsider" roles. Are you talking about secondary characters or some such?
Because I fell that Caligno would not make a set up as obvious as "All main characters are definitely in and therefore confirmed not fake" (not fake because he has specifically stated that characters can be any alignment, at least that's how I read it)
Feel*
It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?Rantai wrote:
Because I fell that Caligno would not make a set up as obvious as "All main characters are definitely in and therefore confirmed not fake" (not fake because he has specifically stated that characters can be any alignment, at least that's how I read it)
I don't know, gotta sleep now. See you tomorrow!
I barely remember any of the main or secondary characters, except Rika and that's because she is a loli.
My concern is that you're basing an entire plan on potentially flawed reasoning. It's exactly the same situation as policy lynching based on who was a good or bad character in the anime.
And he's said that ALL characters are fair game from his list, implying equality in picking.
If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me, why are you so heavily pushing the idea which has many problems to it? The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted and if I had to hazard a guess I'd say that you are a "main character" and looking for a way to try and ride a free "confirm".
My concern is that you're basing an entire plan on potentially flawed reasoning. It's exactly the same situation as policy lynching based on who was a good or bad character in the anime.
And he's said that ALL characters are fair game from his list, implying equality in picking.
If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me, why are you so heavily pushing the idea which has many problems to it? The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted and if I had to hazard a guess I'd say that you are a "main character" and looking for a way to try and ride a free "confirm".
Just to clarify, I don't know if a massclaim would be beneficial or not; my concerns lie with the underlying reasoning behind the use of a massclaim*
I think you misread what I wrote. I said that I wouldn't vote someone quickly unless there was sure information. Since it's D1 and we have no sure information, I won't vote quickly.pieguy1372 wrote:
and just how do you expect to get sure information on D1?NoHItter wrote:
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
Point conceded. Maybe its difference in play style, but I'm not one to shift my vote around.pieguy1372 wrote:
why can't I change my vote till then? and how am I being "jumpy"?NoHItter wrote:
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?
Wrong. That's because I felt that for this setup, massclaiming wasn't a good strategy. The last time I did this was in Stacking the Deck where we gain additional information based on the number of PR claims. In this game, I don't think we'll gain as much if we massclaimed.BRBP wrote:
Are you saying everyone's able to play any alingment exactly like they play as town? Not everyone's even aware of their own meta. While the latter doesn't apply to your massclaim attemps, it's still odd how you didn't suggest that. In all previous games you said that it's the best way to win etc, and now you're willing to skip using "the best strategy to win" just to play differently? That's not like you at all.
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Vote: Sephibro
Vote: Sephibro
I don't see any logical or constructed defense.
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
hahaha sakura xD I guess strategy to see how everyone reacted, quite funny i'm wondering how it'll turn out
1. I still think that character's alignment is coherent with the anime, so my strategy would probably be all but anti-town. And most of all, i don't see why i would propose such a reliable strategy if i were scum
2. why do i think that Rantai is scum?
[*]Because RB instantly asked for replacement as soon as he got his pc broken, even if he could still browse and post from his phone; maybe reading scum QT was too hard
[*]Because of this:
About Sakura, i don't think that's a strategy, imo she's just playing too many games at the same time, and she's being "careful" because she's scum
2. why do i think that Rantai is scum?
[*]Because RB instantly asked for replacement as soon as he got his pc broken, even if he could still browse and post from his phone; maybe reading scum QT was too hard
[*]Because of this:
The idea itself wouldn't be meh at all, it would be 100% win if my assumptions were right. Btw yes, my assumptions might be wrong, but you're still taking too much distance from that strategy. You could easily be Takano Miyo - Oyashiro Supporter wanting to throw shit on working strategiesRantai wrote:
The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted
About Sakura, i don't think that's a strategy, imo she's just playing too many games at the same time, and she's being "careful" because she's scum
Oh god, so much fail.Sephibro wrote:
1. I still think that character's alignment is coherent with the anime, so my strategy would probably be all but anti-town. And most of all, i don't see why i would propose such a reliable strategy if i were scum
2. why do i think that Rantai is scum?
[*]Because RB instantly asked for replacement as soon as he got his pc broken, even if he could still browse and post from his phone; maybe reading scum QT was too hard
[*]Because of this:The idea itself wouldn't be meh at all, it would be 100% win if my assumptions were right. Btw yes, my assumptions might be wrong, but you're still taking too much distance from that strategy. You could easily be Takano Miyo - Oyashiro Supporter wanting to throw shit on working strategiesRantai wrote:
The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted
1. Unless I have completely misinterpreted the mods words (4.5 - All story flavor is completely game-irrelevant.) it has already been stated that it has no bearing on alignment. Hell: @mod - can this game's alignments be determined by the character's anime "alignments" - If yes, then sure this plan is fine (albiet an oversight in design). If no, I don't need to say anymore.
2. A replacement is now a scumtell? What meta did I miss?
Idea of a massclaim is meh, as I have stated I don't know the extent of benefits or detriments a massclaim would have by itself. Right now your assumptions risk publicly announcing everyone's role flavour (characters) in exchange for information that has been mod announced (interpretation?) as worthless.
Call me skeptical but I'd like to see a concrete foundation for a plan before I ever agree to one. Yours is not concrete.
Rantai, many things are 'scumtell' without even a reason, you should deal with it, i'm not a fan of it either.
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Vote: DakeDekaane
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Vote: DakeDekaane
And Sephi, imo the statement 'sakura is playing like that because of the games and because she's scum' is just weird. Afaik she did that before and then will post her thoughts, or keep it for her, idk.
You shouldn't be voting me without a reason, in fact, you shouldn't be voting me.
Sephibro is slightly scumpainting people and I don't like that. Vote him pls.
Sephibro is slightly scumpainting people and I don't like that. Vote him pls.
Ok guys sorry for my inactivity, just got home...
My vote was random but after a read throughout the thread I can tell that Sephibro is so far just acussing with reasons I couldn't explain myself, I mean really, did Raging Bull ask to be replaced just because he was mafia and couldn't read the QT?
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Vote: Sephibro
Just to add that what fails the most about this strategy is the fact that we don't know exactly which characters and in the game. Then the problems comes when someone may claim to be an obscure one which isn't even on this!Sephibro wrote:
Some characters are for sure in the game. If someone claims one of those roles and there's no crossclaim, i'm gonna trust him 100%
If there's a crossclaim, we're set, as at least one of the two is scum
Then there are the "outsider" roles, which are i guess 5 maybe? SCUM ARE AMONG THESE CLAIMS FOR SURE
Well gg, i just realized that massclaiming is the right strategy to win this game
@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
My vote was random but after a read throughout the thread I can tell that Sephibro is so far just acussing with reasons I couldn't explain myself, I mean really, did Raging Bull ask to be replaced just because he was mafia and couldn't read the QT?
Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
it wasn't a reason, it was a supposition
btw, people i don't like so far are NH, Sakura, Rantai and DD
pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
looks like i'm L-3, first claim of the game is close
btw, people i don't like so far are NH, Sakura, Rantai and DD
pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
looks like i'm L-3, first claim of the game is close
Why does it seem that you WANT to claim?Sephibro wrote:
looks like i'm L-3, first claim of the game is close
I would take claiming as a last resort, not as the first thing I do when I'm in danger.
Sephibro wrote:
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.
-_-Sephibro wrote:
pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
Alright, that's enough.
Vote: Sephibro
That's L-2, guys. As of now, please don't bring him to L-1. We may get a quickhammer or a self-hammer that could stifle discussion.
claim: Furude Rika
I've been softclaiming it on every post of mine
Nipah~
I've been softclaiming it on every post of mine
Nipah~
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.04
You're coming to school tomorrow... or else.
[5] Sephibro -- DakeDekaane, fartownik, Sakura, Zexion_Vi, NoHitter (L-2)
[2] NoHitter -- Sephibro, pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[1] DakeDekaane -- Irreversible
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] BRBP --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --
Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.
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You're coming to school tomorrow... or else.
[5] Sephibro -- DakeDekaane, fartownik, Sakura, Zexion_Vi, NoHitter (L-2)
[2] NoHitter -- Sephibro, pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[1] DakeDekaane -- Irreversible
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] BRBP --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --
Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.
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Rantai wrote:
@mod - can this game's alignments be determined by the character's anime "alignments"
CalignoBot in the Original Announcement wrote:
c. Alignments in this universe's canon will not be relevant in this setup.
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
what should furuda rika be exactly?
Fufufu, now I can see why he wanted to massclaim.
eh?
nvm, i guess furuda is town?
Actually i wanted to AVOID a massclaim until i thought about that last strategy, but since
knowing this, it is clear that a massclaim would be completely uselessCalignoBot wrote:
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
p/2611143/
He thought he could act a bit careless and then claiming to get townread from us, but:Sephibro wrote:
Since most of us know the anime characters, we can make pretty accurate setup speculation. Why aren't we doing this already?
Furude Rika
Sonozaki Mion
Sonozaki Shion
Ryuuguu Rena
Hojou Satoko
Maebara Keiichi
^These characters are for sure in the game and they should be all town aligned (6/12)
It's still not confirmed that he's townCalignoBot in the Original Announcement wrote:
c. Alignments in this universe's canon will not be relevant in this setup.
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
If no, I don't need to say anymore.Dusting my hands here.
Well Rika would have been town straight up in that world.
Oh many ninjas, that was for irre
DD's getting higher and higher on my scumlist with every post of his
Btw i can tell you that my role's abilities and alignment are the same as anime character's, that's why i supposed it was like this for every character in the game and made those posts
Btw i can tell you that my role's abilities and alignment are the same as anime character's, that's why i supposed it was like this for every character in the game and made those posts
it's weird that you change your subject so often
re-read all my posts and you'll see that there's no incoherence in my thoughts
it's still weird, you put tons of scumpartners, but yeah
i didn't understand what you mean with thisIrreversible wrote:
you put tons of scumpartners
ahh i don't either. i go sleep now, it's 5 am here, and i just write some shit. maybe it's the wrong game, i'm sorry LOL
Yeah, his claim doesn't clear him like at all, but I don't think a full claim is necessary unless at L-1 with intent.
As for the results Irre's been waiting for.
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.
Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.
As for the results Irre's been waiting for.
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.
Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.
no, I didn't. :> I wanna know how you intend to find out who the mafia are by playing like this. without voting people to pressure them or get information, it becomes much harder to get "sure" information, at least IMO.NoHItter wrote:
I think you misread what I wrote. I said that I wouldn't vote someone quickly unless there was sure information. Since it's D1 and we have no sure information, I won't vote quickly.
why Sakura? I'm townreading her atmSephibro wrote:
Sakura + Rantai for scum imo
quoting NH because lazy
Don't you mind if you say why I'm in your scumlist?
Why do you have a town-read on pieguy?
Sephibro wrote:
re-read all my posts and you'll see that there's no incoherence in my thoughts
kNoHitter wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.Sephibro wrote:
pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
Don't you mind if you say why I'm in your scumlist?
Why do you have a town-read on pieguy?
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.pieguy1372 wrote:
no, I didn't. :> I wanna know how you intend to find out who the mafia are by playing like this. without voting people to pressure them or get information, it becomes much harder to get "sure" information, at least IMO.
I don't understand this.Sephibro wrote:
Actually i wanted to AVOID a massclaim until i thought about that last strategy, but sinceknowing this, it is clear that a massclaim would be completely uselessCalignoBot wrote:
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
You knew that a massclaim was completely useless, but you still wanted to use it as a strategy???
don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
with "those posts" i mean to propose the massclaim as a good strategy in the endSephibro wrote:
Btw i can tell you that my role's abilities and alignment are the same as anime character's, that's why i supposed it was like this for every character in the game and made those posts
Thinking about it, the best it would do is allow role speculation to occur, which doesn't really help town at all.rEdo wrote:
don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
@Sakura, those who questioned your votes and those who attacked you for only voting (or a giant coincidence). Still don't quite understand how you came to your conclusions though (is it some sort of meta, this is actually a legit me dumb question), then again I have never quite understood your methods before.
I love how I'm being ignored.
I'm not ignore you if that makes you feel better.DakeDekaane wrote:
I love how I'm being ignored.
Sakura, what about the rest? :s
They are null, but they can wait to be sorted out, unless something that makes me think otherwise happens.
And are you going to tell the reasons why?
I've only heard from Rantai so far, what do YOU think?Irreversible wrote:
And are you going to tell the reasons why?
I'll re-read it, and post my thoughts
Okay, I got something i guess:
NoHitter + BlueYoshi town because they ASKED why you've voted them
whereas BRBP was acting quite agressive. About sephibro, probably because he just changes his object quite often?
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
NoHitter + BlueYoshi town because they ASKED why you've voted them
whereas BRBP was acting quite agressive. About sephibro, probably because he just changes his object quite often?
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
I believe Sakura is just making reaction tests. Pressure is put upon you when you are voted and often people say something they shouldn't have to. Anyways, seems like a good investigation. Pretty obvious Sephibro is scum, he just contradicted himself way too many times. And his reasons are just... meh.Irreversible wrote:
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
Okay, read the past 6 pages.
Unvote
Town: Rantai, Sakura, Irreversible, pieguy
Scum: BRBP, Zexion_Vi, Blue Yoshi
Rest null.
Too many people pressure Sephibro already, too many of easy votes on him. Scum is on his wagon, and I believe he's not one. He makes silly points and proposes bad tactics, but that's just it. He would be more careful as scum. This is not certain, but I hope I'm not wrong here.
I liked how Sakura jumped in with exactly what I was thinking, putting in BRBP as her scumtell. You're only wrong about Sephibro imo.
Rantai is Town for opposing Sephibro's massclaim idea instead of taking advantages of it. I like the fact that he still didn't vote him, definitely a plus.
Irreversible is silly as always, Town.
pieguy made some nice points about NoHitter, also opposed the massclaim from Sephibro, similarily to Rantai not taking advantage of it.
BRBP, Zexion and Yoshi are all shy, I think there's about 90% chance of at least one scum in this group. BRBP's posts match his scum meta, that's why I scumread him + the fact that he pushed NH for not proposing massclaim. It was really... weird, especially after this topic was exhausted by pieguy. Seemed like a filler, or partner pushing.
Zexion is scum-null, pretty much filler posts with a sheep on Sephibro. Second best scum guess from the 'shy' list.
Yoshi is simply inactive, and I like to hit lurkers. Least priority from the list, but still high.
Vote: BRBP
BRBP always waits with his vote until the very end when he's scum. I believe if we gave him more time he'd jump on the Sephibro wagon without hesitation. Thinking off all the probabilities, this one would be the best. Come BRBP, answer me with a post full of hate and pointing out that I was inactive for past time as well.
Unvote
Town: Rantai, Sakura, Irreversible, pieguy
Scum: BRBP, Zexion_Vi, Blue Yoshi
Rest null.
Too many people pressure Sephibro already, too many of easy votes on him. Scum is on his wagon, and I believe he's not one. He makes silly points and proposes bad tactics, but that's just it. He would be more careful as scum. This is not certain, but I hope I'm not wrong here.
I liked how Sakura jumped in with exactly what I was thinking, putting in BRBP as her scumtell. You're only wrong about Sephibro imo.
Rantai is Town for opposing Sephibro's massclaim idea instead of taking advantages of it. I like the fact that he still didn't vote him, definitely a plus.
Irreversible is silly as always, Town.
pieguy made some nice points about NoHitter, also opposed the massclaim from Sephibro, similarily to Rantai not taking advantage of it.
BRBP, Zexion and Yoshi are all shy, I think there's about 90% chance of at least one scum in this group. BRBP's posts match his scum meta, that's why I scumread him + the fact that he pushed NH for not proposing massclaim. It was really... weird, especially after this topic was exhausted by pieguy. Seemed like a filler, or partner pushing.
Zexion is scum-null, pretty much filler posts with a sheep on Sephibro. Second best scum guess from the 'shy' list.
Yoshi is simply inactive, and I like to hit lurkers. Least priority from the list, but still high.
Vote: BRBP
BRBP always waits with his vote until the very end when he's scum. I believe if we gave him more time he'd jump on the Sephibro wagon without hesitation. Thinking off all the probabilities, this one would be the best. Come BRBP, answer me with a post full of hate and pointing out that I was inactive for past time as well.
EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.
Also Sephibro, claim your role. Claiming character only is pointless (and scummy with what you have done by trying to ensure us certain characters are confirmed Town).
Also Sephibro, claim your role. Claiming character only is pointless (and scummy with what you have done by trying to ensure us certain characters are confirmed Town).
Sephibro y u no posting after browsing, you were so talkative.
He's more interested in pretending to contribute getting people prodded obviously.
BRBP is someone i'd switch my vote to as well, the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.
Hmm...
Actually yeah, let's do this.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
BRBP is someone i'd switch my vote to as well, the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.
Hmm...
Actually yeah, let's do this.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.
Intredasting.
Intredasting.
i just wanted everybody to answer before doing it, but well this game is slow as fuck let's just do it
here are my abilities
Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
Innocent Demeanor: passive - people who target me lose 1HS level
here are my abilities
Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
Innocent Demeanor: passive - people who target me lose 1HS level
And here we go again, acussing me of scum because I'm being shy? I'm not posting too much because of my RL lol. I don't know what's "shy" about me. Also I'm not good on scumhunting.
Sephibro's "Calming Precence" may actually be useful to both town and scum lol. There should be a way to increase the mafia HS level too. (some ability maybe...?)
Sephibro's "Calming Precence" may actually be useful to both town and scum lol. There should be a way to increase the mafia HS level too. (some ability maybe...?)
Please dont ever target me with this.Sephibro wrote:
Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
RogerSakura wrote:
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btw BRBP's behaviour is really close to his own in Information Mafia, where he was scum. I agree on pressuring him
unvote, vote BRBP
Outside meta, was there anything else that strikes you as scum from BRBP? (I really don't like basing a vote solely on meta)
backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>NoHItter wrote:
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.
exactly what I want to sayfartownik wrote:
EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.
Sephibro wrote:
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.
@Sephibro: I'm so busy =A= I don't have the chance to post every time I look at the thread. I like to check back here every so often to keep up even if I don't have the chance to make a post orzfartownik wrote:
Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.
Intredasting.
anyway, I don't like these kinds of arguments at all. mostly cause they don't work 0.0 sometimes people just leave the page open and other times they're thinking about what to post, and other times we get a case like what I did. I won't forget I used this argument against RB in Mystery Mafia and he ended up being town.
aside from that your post seems fine for me and your point on Sephibro is pretty much exactly what I want to say.. even if I can't see the logic for a massclaim, I can see town motivation in his posts
BRBP wrote:
What is my town meta then?
townIrre wrote:
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
Also, rereading the thread made me kind of suspicious about rEdo as well:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
Also, rereading the thread made me kind of suspicious about rEdo as well:
rEdo wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1mind to elaborate why do you think this is a good strategy?nevermind, you did that earlier. so what if we don't lynch anyone today? we also won't get to know ANYTHING from it, while the HS levels increase. we won't gain much by massclaiming either.
holy shit I just ended up typing the same stuff as farto did, AGAIN
FACK YOU STOP READING MY MIND WHILE I'M READING THE TOPIC AND RESPONDING TO THEM POSTS RESPECTIVELY IN ORDERthe game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.Sephibro wrote:
the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only
FoS: Sephibro
Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?rEdo wrote:
don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
EWBOP: Pressed submit by mistake
This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...pieguy1372 wrote:
backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>NoHItter wrote:
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.
simply forgot that I did that earlier - wanted to edit this out, but it's not allowed
As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.NoHitter wrote:
@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
Also a good observation of rEdo.
That's legit, i agree that i've been playing quite retarded lately; i had convinced myself that game alignment == anime alignment and blindly focused on that despite warnings.fartownik wrote:
As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.
Hopefully if there's another role that can protect/decrease HS lvl maybe i can survive N1 too, and many things will be clearer on D2
Unvote
FoS: Sephibro
Vote: BRBP
If that was not agressive, what was it then? Another reason is that you don't give us any hints on other scum, so let's go, you could at least scumhunt but that's onot what you do
FoS: Sephibro
Vote: BRBP
If that was not agressive, what was it then? Another reason is that you don't give us any hints on other scum, so let's go, you could at least scumhunt but that's onot what you do
@mod - votecount if possible please
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around. I don't have time to do the count myself but I want to see who is on and why.
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around. I don't have time to do the count myself but I want to see who is on and why.
in this order, people who voted for BRBP were: fartownik, Sakura, me and Irre
I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.Rantai wrote:
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.