I don't need to think that. As I said, I was trying to view things from your perspective. You don't know if I'm scum or not (unless you're scum yourself)
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How does this work with 1 scum dead?Royston wrote:
You don't know if I'm scum or not (unless you're scum yourself)
Well, if you're scum, then you know everyone else is town and therefore not scum 
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Let's stop this, Royston is rather town for now, because he's trying to get out of the scum thing but can't, because you keep pressuring him.
What about Dake btw? His posts are small, asking a question, because he doesn't know what to do, probably tries to 'look' active, but actually isn't really telling anything. Dake, you've said to Royston: "Why shouldn't I vote for you", also you've asked "are you scum", he replied 'no I'm town", so now, it doesn't look like you're really scumhunting, because you've just gave up your hints, and now you've changed your scum-thoughts. What were the causes of these sudden changes? And it's pretty cool that you've asked who we are thinking is scum, what would you have done if someone said you're scum? Because I think you are.
Vote: DakeDekaane
Let's stop this, Royston is rather town for now, because he's trying to get out of the scum thing but can't, because you keep pressuring him.
What about Dake btw? His posts are small, asking a question, because he doesn't know what to do, probably tries to 'look' active, but actually isn't really telling anything. Dake, you've said to Royston: "Why shouldn't I vote for you", also you've asked "are you scum", he replied 'no I'm town", so now, it doesn't look like you're really scumhunting, because you've just gave up your hints, and now you've changed your scum-thoughts. What were the causes of these sudden changes? And it's pretty cool that you've asked who we are thinking is scum, what would you have done if someone said you're scum? Because I think you are.
Vote: DakeDekaane
unvote
vote: Royston
nice catch sakura
also for some reason it wont let me on ms >_>
vote: Royston
nice catch sakura
also for some reason it wont let me on ms >_>
My main scum suspects haven't changed since D1. rEdo was lynched, Royston acted quite scummy in D2, and you're still a scum suspect for me, but I didn't get something that makes me clear who of you or who else can be scum. I don't get why you vote me, are you merely basing in activity, that's a wrong way to find scum. What did change your mind about Royston, earlier and in D1 you even voted him, why the change?Irreversible wrote:
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Let's stop this, Royston is rather town for now, because he's trying to get out of the scum thing but can't, because you keep pressuring him.
What about Dake btw? His posts are small, asking a question, because he doesn't know what to do, probably tries to 'look' active, but actually isn't really telling anything. Dake, you've said to Royston: "Why shouldn't I vote for you", also you've asked "are you scum", he replied 'no I'm town", so now, it doesn't look like you're really scumhunting, because you've just gave up your hints, and now you've changed your scum-thoughts. What were the causes of these sudden changes? And it's pretty cool that you've asked who we are thinking is scum, what would you have done if someone said you're scum? Because I think you are.
Vote: DakeDekaane
aaaaaaand it seems like Saki wants to buddy Sakura
Seriously though Sena, do you have your own reasons for voting me? Or are you just following Sakura?
scumslips lul
Calling that a scumslip is weak at best. Saki's sheep is even worse.
Hey, Regfan found scum by that in a game I was at.CalignoBot wrote:
Calling that a scumslip is weak at best. Saki's sheep is even worse.
I learned pretty fast that my secret list of scumslips don't apply at all on this forum. I don't really trust the same style of thinking to apply in both places very effectively.
other than that, Royston has other things pointing to him, so i'm not basing it entirely off the scumslip.
like this?
My issue with Royston is that he had to wait until getting voted to appear.
I agree with Cali that calling that a scumslip is pretty weak. Royston did a similar thing in TH PYP IV where he asked me who the "remaining scum" were in D2, so I can see where his post here is coming from.
Saki is still acting the scummiest to me, especially by sheeping to Sakura, and only justifying it with the "scumslip" reason when asked without considering anything else at all.
Saki is still acting the scummiest to me, especially by sheeping to Sakura, and only justifying it with the "scumslip" reason when asked without considering anything else at all.
unvote
vote: Jinxy
if you want to lynch someone
push them harder
vote: Jinxy
if you want to lynch someone
push them harder
and why do you want jinxy lynched exactly? o.o your reasons aren't the best ones xD
My vote has been on you since the start of the Day.SenaSaki wrote:
if you want to lynch someone
push them harder
Your posts today haven't been helpful for town at all, and your votes and reads are all over the place. You first considered Cali, then you leaned and voted Irre, then you sheeped Sakura to vote Royston with an incredibly weak justification, and now you're voting me instead of actually, you know, justifying further as to why you decided to vote Royston.
whoops I forgot the rule please forgive me Ratboy Genius
unvote
vote: SenaSaki
unvote
vote: SenaSaki
I don't have to remind you guys to post content? Don't be lazy and just post to not get prodded, that's really lazy.
Literally the only thing I can possibly comment on from my last post is Saki's Jinxy vote, which my opinion of should be obvious without me stating.
This is what happens with long deadlines :<
Vote: SenaSaki
Vote: SenaSaki
Eh guess i'll have to
Intent to hammer Saki
Intent to hammer Saki
Oh well
Unvote
Vote: SenaSaki
Unvote
Vote: SenaSaki
Topic Starter
I just want to...change! Oh No! That was quite a boring end.
Final Votecount for Day 2:
SenaSaki (4) - Jinxy, Royston, DakeDekaane, Sakura
DakeDekaane (1) - Irreversible
Jinxy (1) - SenaSaki
SenaSaki was fed to Marina and the Diamonds on D2. He was a Vanilla Townie.
24 hour night from now.
Topic Starter
Bang. Can't be bothered on flavour for now, I'll add it later. It's also close enough to deadline.
Jinxy is dead. He was a Vanilla Townie. You have 2 weeks, have fun.
Jinxy is dead. He was a Vanilla Townie. You have 2 weeks, have fun.
Vote: Royston
Also weird NK considering scum could've pushed a mislynch on Jinxy since he was wrong about Saki.
Also weird NK considering scum could've pushed a mislynch on Jinxy since he was wrong about Saki.
Sakura, keep in mind that lynching me today will put us into LyLo tomorrow.
'us' is wrong, since you would be dead then 
Then who should we vote Royston?
@Irre I wasn't aware that dying would magically change my alignment
As for who to vote for, well we have two weeks to decide. The nightkill on Jinxy is certainly interesting, I'll post my thoughts on it a little later.
As for who to vote for, well we have two weeks to decide. The nightkill on Jinxy is certainly interesting, I'll post my thoughts on it a little later.
Can we test it?Royston wrote:
I wasn't aware that dying would magically change my alignment
ok
Vote:Irreversible
Vote:Irreversible
btw, writing in a nervous manner doesn't make me feel better about you.
Yes that is L-1
I shouldn't really have to explain again why I'm voting Irreversible.
I shouldn't really have to explain again why I'm voting Irreversible.
Dake, this Statement. I'll Keep my vote on you.
o.o do I have to revote after the day ends?
Vote: DakeDekaane I didn't know ><
Vote: DakeDekaane I didn't know ><
Looks like I'm not the only person having trouble finding things to say.
Caligno, I'm just curious how you popped out when I vote Irre, what if I voted Royston?
It'd be nice if you explain further why are you voting me Irre.
It'd be nice if you explain further why are you voting me Irre.
That was when I happened to come in and post. Content of posts and the people who posted before me is pretty much irrelevant to it.
>.>
nice wagon you've started there, dake.
but alright, caligno, your previous reasons were? i mean you actually were one of those guys who never really had interactions with redo, so you might be his partner
royston, you don't even have a reason, explain it please? probably you just vote that you've voted, without really thinking aren't you?
but alright, caligno, your previous reasons were? i mean you actually were one of those guys who never really had interactions with redo, so you might be his partner
royston, you don't even have a reason, explain it please? probably you just vote that you've voted, without really thinking aren't you?
Topic Starter
Sorry, that was actually the hammer. I didn't even know or see that.
Final votecount for D3:
Irreversible (3) - DakeDekaane, CalignoBot, Royston
DakeDekaane (1) - Irreversible
Day 3. Irreversible was lynched. He was a Vanilla Townie.
It is now Night 3. 24 hours for things, you know the drill.
How was I supposed to know you would lynch that quickly?
Final votecount for D3:
Irreversible (3) - DakeDekaane, CalignoBot, Royston
DakeDekaane (1) - Irreversible
Day 3. Irreversible was lynched. He was a Vanilla Townie.
It is now Night 3. 24 hours for things, you know the drill.
How was I supposed to know you would lynch that quickly?
Topic Starter
Sorry. Got really busy.
2 votes to lynch. Sakura, the Vanilla Townie has died. You have a week.
2 votes to lynch. Sakura, the Vanilla Townie has died. You have a week.
Yes you did.
Any reason for your quickhammer Royston?
It was a calculated risk, evidently it didn't pan out the way I thought it would.
Okay, I'm lost.
I'll have to reread the game again. Standby.
I'll have to reread the game again. Standby.
Rereading the game has ended in a headache.
I'm going to sleep on it and see if I get any ideas to have this game make any sense whatsoever.
I'm going to sleep on it and see if I get any ideas to have this game make any sense whatsoever.
I thought Irre was scum an. He wasn't. Not much more I can say than that.
Scum, pls explain why you killed Sakura? I seriously don't understand, I don't think Sakura would have held back from voting me again in this situation and you could've hammered for the easy win. But hey, whatever man..
Scum, pls explain why you killed Sakura? I seriously don't understand, I don't think Sakura would have held back from voting me again in this situation and you could've hammered for the easy win. But hey, whatever man..
I lol'd, if I didn't doubt Caligno, I'd be voting you right now.
...Royston wrote:
I thought Irre was scum an. He wasn't. Not much more I can say than that.
Scum, pls explain why you killed Sakura? I seriously don't understand, I don't think Sakura would have held back from voting me again in this situation and you could've hammered for the easy win. But hey, whatever man..
You literally just made a case against yourself.
Why.
The Sakura kill literally made no sense to me until you explained exactly why you would kill her over anyone else. That's basically what happened.
Saying things that makes you yourself look like mafia in LyLo is pretty much the exact opposite of how you should be playing it. If you thought it would have inevitably come up anyway, bringing it up faster isn't exactly protown.
Saying things that makes you yourself look like mafia in LyLo is pretty much the exact opposite of how you should be playing it. If you thought it would have inevitably come up anyway, bringing it up faster isn't exactly protown.
The only thing I can see is a bunch of WIFOM, which scum likes to do.
Also, silly question to both of you, your reads on me.
Also, silly question to both of you, your reads on me.
Good luck town
/bah post
/bah post
I'm not going to vote yet if that's what you mean
Who is scum Royston?
Backing up your suspicions is a good start.Royston wrote:
so what now
Vote: Royston
I can't maintain interest anymore. Literally nothing has happened in this game for about three days.
Let's just end this one way or another. Dake deserves the win if he's scum either way.
I can't maintain interest anymore. Literally nothing has happened in this game for about three days.
Let's just end this one way or another. Dake deserves the win if he's scum either way.
It's sad I'm not scum, but I'm willing to give some time to Royston to explaing himself, he bringing up all those WIFOM isn't making me feel comfy. But Caligno jumping between Royston and Irre past days isn't either. I just can't find/get ideas how to solve this.
Nah I'm happy you're not scum, means I still have a chance at a 1-2 W-L 
No hammer from Dake so we have our scum then.
vote: CalignoBot
Please don't put up that defeatist/bored attitude Caligno, I don't think it's going to help in your situation.
@Dake: Nothing else to say but what I said on D2, and that is Caligno's passive interaction with rEdo D1. Also notice how soon after I put my vote on Caligno his opinion of me mysteriously changed and I was town again. That's weird, you'd think if he was town and I was voting him I'd be more scum in his eyes?
No hammer from Dake so we have our scum then.
vote: CalignoBot
Please don't put up that defeatist/bored attitude Caligno, I don't think it's going to help in your situation.
@Dake: Nothing else to say but what I said on D2, and that is Caligno's passive interaction with rEdo D1. Also notice how soon after I put my vote on Caligno his opinion of me mysteriously changed and I was town again. That's weird, you'd think if he was town and I was voting him I'd be more scum in his eyes?
Now that I know who the scum is, I'm more interested in proving it.
While we're on the topic of D1 interactions with rEdo, let's point to how Royston's only interaction with rEdo was a very sleazy statement without any kind of read whatsoever at the bottom of page 17. He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
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As for rEdo's side, he starts defending Royston in the middle of page 15, then decides to start feinting pressure on him on page 17 where he states Irreversible is getting townpoints. Note that rEdo is basically stating that Royston is a significant scumread at the start of the paragraph... but ends by saying he's not sure enough to switch to voting Royston. This reeks of a distancing maneuver while being very careful not to further the wagon to a lynch.
And hey look, rEdo completely drops Royston at the top of page 19 and instead goes for Jinxy and Quotes. This makes the former paragraph look even more like nothing but a distance maneuver. He goes back to it at the bottom of page 19, but it's basically a backtrack. Now that there's a lot less benefit to bussing his partner, rEdo no longer wants to look suspicious of Royston. That's really about it, since the vast majority of the rest of D1 was just Quotes coming in, a huge shitstorm of like 6 pages of posts from only 3 people, and a lynch on rEdo after Quotes claimed cop.
And really, my passive interaction with rEdo is pretty much a lie. I was the first person to put pressure on rEdo at all and held him as a scumread for pretty much the entire day.
While we're on the topic of D1 interactions with rEdo, let's point to how Royston's only interaction with rEdo was a very sleazy statement without any kind of read whatsoever at the bottom of page 17. He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
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As for rEdo's side, he starts defending Royston in the middle of page 15, then decides to start feinting pressure on him on page 17 where he states Irreversible is getting townpoints. Note that rEdo is basically stating that Royston is a significant scumread at the start of the paragraph... but ends by saying he's not sure enough to switch to voting Royston. This reeks of a distancing maneuver while being very careful not to further the wagon to a lynch.
And hey look, rEdo completely drops Royston at the top of page 19 and instead goes for Jinxy and Quotes. This makes the former paragraph look even more like nothing but a distance maneuver. He goes back to it at the bottom of page 19, but it's basically a backtrack. Now that there's a lot less benefit to bussing his partner, rEdo no longer wants to look suspicious of Royston. That's really about it, since the vast majority of the rest of D1 was just Quotes coming in, a huge shitstorm of like 6 pages of posts from only 3 people, and a lynch on rEdo after Quotes claimed cop.
And really, my passive interaction with rEdo is pretty much a lie. I was the first person to put pressure on rEdo at all and held him as a scumread for pretty much the entire day.
I meant to say rEdo's passive interaction with you, not the other way around
So is this a sudden realisation or what? Hell you were voting for me on page 17 before I made my sleazy(?) statement yet you seemed to make a deliberate attempt to 'forget' about me entirely later onCalignoBot wrote:
While we're on the topic of D1 interactions with rEdo, let's point to how Royston's only interaction with rEdo was a very sleazy statement without any kind of read whatsoever at the bottom of page 17. He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
CalignoBot wrote:
Unvote: Whoever I was voting
Vote: Quotes
pleaseCalignoBot wrote:
He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
CalignoBot wrote:
Two entire pages popped up while I was asleep and I'm never in a mood to catch up on that amount of posts until I've been awake for a few hours. If you're going to try to use that argument, take times into account.
Neither of your points work.
1. I 'forgot' about you later on because those two votes were on opposite ends of Quotes' entrance into the game, which basically forced the thread into a completely different direction. If you pay attention to my posts between those two, I actually was debating with people a lot without changing my vote until that post.
2. Time arguments are going to be a lot less convincing when the whole thing was a month ago and the time stamps only include days.
But whatever, my entire point is that your only mention at all about rEdo was a very passive statement that he's close to being hammered. You didn't give any sort of thoughts about pretty much anything, instead deciding to spend two paragraphs talking about the upcoming night phase.
1. I 'forgot' about you later on because those two votes were on opposite ends of Quotes' entrance into the game, which basically forced the thread into a completely different direction. If you pay attention to my posts between those two, I actually was debating with people a lot without changing my vote until that post.
2. Time arguments are going to be a lot less convincing when the whole thing was a month ago and the time stamps only include days.
But whatever, my entire point is that your only mention at all about rEdo was a very passive statement that he's close to being hammered. You didn't give any sort of thoughts about pretty much anything, instead deciding to spend two paragraphs talking about the upcoming night phase.
Topic Starter
Oh yeah umm...
...There'll be no dead QT for this game. Feel free to post all your thoughts after this game ends. Sorry about that.
...There'll be no dead QT for this game. Feel free to post all your thoughts after this game ends. Sorry about that.
aaaaaaaand I'm going to...
Vote: Royston
I won't follow my gut feeling, it is bad, look at Irre's mislynch. I'm scumz.
Vote: Royston
I won't follow my gut feeling, it is bad, look at Irre's mislynch. I'm scumz.
Topic Starter
It looks like this was the Low this time.
Royston the Vanilla Townie was lynched D4.
CalignoBot, Mafia Goon has won and DakeDekaane has endgamed. This is an official mafia win.
MVP D1: Quotes.
MVP D2: CalignoBot.
MVP D3: No One. Really, that was terrible.
MVP D4: CalignoBot.
Town MVP: Quotes.
Scum MVP: CalignoBot.
GJ guys.
Royston the Vanilla Townie was lynched D4.
CalignoBot, Mafia Goon has won and DakeDekaane has endgamed. This is an official mafia win.
MVP D1: Quotes.
MVP D2: CalignoBot.
MVP D3: No One. Really, that was terrible.
MVP D4: CalignoBot.
Town MVP: Quotes.
Scum MVP: CalignoBot.
GJ guys.
Topic Starter
Feel free to give comments about anything after this.
my only comment is: OH MY GOD
;_;
A question, what is MVP?
(most voted players?)
Topic Starter
Most Valuable Player.
wow I guessed right at the end o/
gj
gj
I guessed the right nearly the whole game :'c
Scum QT
There's not a whole lot there. It was really just me posting my kills and rambling about nothing to myself for a while.
Anyway, this game makes my scum win percentage 100% when a scum was lynched day 1. It's also the first time I didn't play like total shit as scum.
I don't actually remember why exactly I went for the Lilac or Sakura kills since I didn't post them in the scum QT at all. I remember I was considering a Dake kill as well on N2, but I went with Jinxy in the end.
There's not a whole lot there. It was really just me posting my kills and rambling about nothing to myself for a while.
Anyway, this game makes my scum win percentage 100% when a scum was lynched day 1. It's also the first time I didn't play like total shit as scum.
I don't actually remember why exactly I went for the Lilac or Sakura kills since I didn't post them in the scum QT at all. I remember I was considering a Dake kill as well on N2, but I went with Jinxy in the end.
That L-1 on Irre in D3, the switching between Irre and Royston in D2 and your interaction with Quotes in D1, called my attention, but I ended up considering Royston due all the WIFOM he had been throwing and I thought he was scum trying to act like VI, gg :p
Yeah, that was incredibly lucky.
I have this really weird meta where I play very similarly as both alignments, but I'm absurdly easy to read in most games. My actual alignment is pretty much always obvious by the time I've been playing the game for about 3-4 in-game days.
That would probably explain why I almost never get lynched as town...
EDIT: The fake-VI card was actually something I was prepared to pull out too if Royston put up enough of a fight. I really have to admit though, I wasn't expecting him to fight back as hard as he did at the end there. I was mentally hitting myself all through work today after I figured out a plausible explanation for rEdo to act the way he did towards me and that made me panic when I saw the game had ended when I got home.
I have this really weird meta where I play very similarly as both alignments, but I'm absurdly easy to read in most games. My actual alignment is pretty much always obvious by the time I've been playing the game for about 3-4 in-game days.
That would probably explain why I almost never get lynched as town...
EDIT: The fake-VI card was actually something I was prepared to pull out too if Royston put up enough of a fight. I really have to admit though, I wasn't expecting him to fight back as hard as he did at the end there. I was mentally hitting myself all through work today after I figured out a plausible explanation for rEdo to act the way he did towards me and that made me panic when I saw the game had ended when I got home.
.. T~T
I WON WHILE GETTING LYNCHED LIKE A RETARD
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNHH
wp Caligno, you totally deserve the win :')
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNHH
wp Caligno, you totally deserve the win :')
Why did you kill me? I'm p.sure I would have voted Royston again and earned you an easy win.
Figured Caligno was mafia when it was Royston/Dake/Caligno. I don't understand the Saki lynch at all :/. I didn't read any of Day 3 so I won't speak to that. The Sakura kill surprised me.
I think I prob-towned Caligno because his playstyle reminded me of how a friend of mine plays town often, but I probably shouldn't have let me have that inherent bias. His not backing off my vote when I felt like I had done a fairly good job of coming off as town (although I had pissed off Sakura and Irreversable but that wasn't a good reason for either of them to vote for me), as well as voting me when I had been pushing rEdo probably should have made me at least a bit more skeptical.
I should have said more before dying.
Next time I should probably play nicer and not mess with people's egos. It clearly did not serve us well when people thought I was bad because I had made them mad.
GG
I think I prob-towned Caligno because his playstyle reminded me of how a friend of mine plays town often, but I probably shouldn't have let me have that inherent bias. His not backing off my vote when I felt like I had done a fairly good job of coming off as town (although I had pissed off Sakura and Irreversable but that wasn't a good reason for either of them to vote for me), as well as voting me when I had been pushing rEdo probably should have made me at least a bit more skeptical.
I should have said more before dying.
Next time I should probably play nicer and not mess with people's egos. It clearly did not serve us well when people thought I was bad because I had made them mad.
GG