this doesn't make sense. If he actualy was jester why did he not keep himself at L1
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everyone decided to get Dake. after all, his avatar is so similar to someone else's, right? he's the only one who would do something like this = =
DakeDekaane - Vanilla Townie - lynched D1
the next morning, they noticed something was wrong. First off, one of the beds had been placed vertically right inside the hallway, blocking it. after moving it they found someone had shot the chandelier down, seemingly again for no reason. but that wasn't the only thing.. they realized someone was missing. Then they realized it was LS's bed that was blocking the hallway.. 0.0
LadySuburu - Vanilla Townie - killed N1
It is D2. with 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. deadline is 9/14 7:00 GMT, 82:41 from now
DakeDekaane - Vanilla Townie - lynched D1
the next morning, they noticed something was wrong. First off, one of the beds had been placed vertically right inside the hallway, blocking it. after moving it they found someone had shot the chandelier down, seemingly again for no reason. but that wasn't the only thing.. they realized someone was missing. Then they realized it was LS's bed that was blocking the hallway.. 0.0
LadySuburu - Vanilla Townie - killed N1
It is D2. with 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. deadline is 9/14 7:00 GMT, 82:41 from now
pieguy1372 wrote:
LadySuburu - Vanilla Townie - killed N1
bah! Post wrote:
Go jester/town!
Nyquill did you kill ladysuburu?
Irre are you scumIrreversible wrote:
Nyquill did you kill ladysuburu?
No, i'm town. how about you?
I can read pms quite well yes I am town
But you avoided my question whether you've killed LadySuburu or not. A no would have been enough, since it would prove that you're town
Vote: Nyquill
Vote: Nyquill
that's my kind of logic
vote: Nyquill
vote: Nyquill
Vote: Senasaki
Btw we're effectively at lylo now.
You guys dumb or what?
Seriously this is essentially LyLo and please unvote that.
I don't see how Nyquill or Irre is scum.
Seriously this is essentially LyLo and please unvote that.
I don't see how Nyquill or Irre is scum.
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wow that was fast 0.0
everyone woke up and immediately decided to lynch Nyquill. No one knew why they decided such a thing so quickly, but everyone took the day off. wait they were at a party, why would they take a day off from a party 0.0
Nyquill - Vanilla Townie - lynched D2
it is N2. deadline is 9/12 2:35 GMT (24:00 from now)
everyone woke up and immediately decided to lynch Nyquill. No one knew why they decided such a thing so quickly, but everyone took the day off. wait they were at a party, why would they take a day off from a party 0.0
Nyquill - Vanilla Townie - lynched D2
it is N2. deadline is 9/12 2:35 GMT (24:00 from now)
lol gg lincolm wp
...omg lol
Pre-Vote: NoHitter
/o/
/o/
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everyone woke up to find Irreversible's room was completely missing. where his room was, there was now a massive hole leading outside. No one thought about it till they realized Irrevesible was missing too. 0.0
Irreversible - Vanilla Townie - killed N2
It is D3. with 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch. deadline is 9/15 7:00 GMT (85:00 from now)
Irreversible - Vanilla Townie - killed N2
It is D3. with 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch. deadline is 9/15 7:00 GMT (85:00 from now)
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votecount 3.01
NoHItter (1) - NoHItter
NoHItter (1) - NoHItter
Vote:NoHitter
Let's win this one /o/
Let's win this one /o/
Don't care any way which one is the jester 
Good game. Seriously, NH really shocked me out with his claim and I already planned to kill him in N1.
Good game. Seriously, NH really shocked me out with his claim and I already planned to kill him in N1.
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everyone immediately lynched NoHItter. then he jumped through a hole in the bed that somehow no one noticed , cleared the chandelier, and left through the hole where Irre's room was. seems he was the one fking with everyone the whole time 0.0
NoHItter - Jester - Lynched D3
NoHItter wins!
and with that, Lincolm took the opportunity to shoot SenaSaki while he was wondering what just happened. no one knew what happened to pieguy, but it's rumored he locked himself in the basement for 495 years because he inadvertently invited a killer to his party...
BAD END
SenaSaki - Vanilla Townie - endgamed
Lincolm - Mafia Goon - WINNER
Actions:
NoHItter - Jester - Lynched D3
NoHItter wins!
and with that, Lincolm took the opportunity to shoot SenaSaki while he was wondering what just happened. no one knew what happened to pieguy, but it's rumored he locked himself in the basement for 495 years because he inadvertently invited a killer to his party...
BAD END
SenaSaki - Vanilla Townie - endgamed
Lincolm - Mafia Goon - WINNER
Actions:
- N1:
- Lincolm kills LadySuburu
N2: - Lincolm kills Irreversible
- turns out setup seems kind of broken.. won't host this setup again till I figure out the best way to fix >_<//
The setup is kinda need a power in town. How about 1 shot-vig? Or maybe Double Voter? That's kinda neat I think. Which that allow town to shoot jester and 1 confirmed town.
I think as scum in here, if the jester is a good guy, Jester = Mafia Unlynchable (except LyLo) Traitor.
After the Jester claiming, it means the town only have 2 lynch to lynch scum, in 6 (actually 7) person and 4 (actually 5) person condition (jester can't be lynched, remember?).
I think 7 person already balance this setup.
I think as scum in here, if the jester is a good guy, Jester = Mafia Unlynchable (except LyLo) Traitor.
After the Jester claiming, it means the town only have 2 lynch to lynch scum, in 6 (actually 7) person and 4 (actually 5) person condition (jester can't be lynched, remember?).
I think 7 person already balance this setup.
IMO, Jester setups are better if town doesnt know if the jester exists or not (but knows there IS a possibility) this leaves them in a position of deciding whether scummy behavior is from Jester or Scum, also then you can make game end on Jester win if Jester is lynched so there's some incentive for Jester not winning by claiming.
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oh dear.. i ruined that game D:
The problem with most jester setups is the town/mafia/jester endgame thing. That has to be directly addressed in some way in order for a jester setup to be truly balanced, since it's an inevitable possibility with pretty much any jester setup.
There are definitely ways past it, though. Having a time limit before the earliest time that can occur is one way of doing it, although that has inherent balance issues in of itself.
There are definitely ways past it, though. Having a time limit before the earliest time that can occur is one way of doing it, although that has inherent balance issues in of itself.
Stating in the jester role pm that if he self-votes he'll be modkilled?
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let's move the posts from mod queue into here
what about this: Jester has to be lynched before LyLo in order to win. If it survives to LyLo, it wins with town and thus has to vote mafia to win.
that immediately prevents all the BS where the Jester just has to survive to LyLo to claim a joint win, ensures there's a decisive end too
the problem is, for either Mafia or Town to win in 3p LyLo, they have to get a vote from the Jester. however, in this case, if the Jester votes someone they lose immediately, so they would never vote anyoneLS wrote:
Mafia cannot joint-win with jester.
In LyLo, if there is a tie in votes for who gets lynched at deadline, the game ends in a loss for all players.
With those two rules in play, then it doesn't become an automatic end and still requires strategy and good playing by each alignment.
Don't think I'm missing something, but if I am mention it and I should be able to come up with a fix. It shouldn't be that hard to balance a jester game (I am also experimenting with the jester role at the moment, but I'll need a game more focused on what i've designed to get better results.)
IMO the 7-p game with the mafia and jester joint win should be allowed.problem is it keeps moving LyLo up. just by having 1 vote on someone on D2, town already loses if it's the wrong person. it's too hard to find mafia in this case
Town has two days to find Mafia and not lynch Jester.
In the original setup; (1-3-1) Day 1 was already do or die for town with only one ML.
IMO, Jester setups are better if town doesnt know if the jester exists or not (but knows there IS a possibility) this leaves them in a position of deciding whether scummy behavior is from Jester or Scum, also then you can make game end on Jester win if Jester is lynched so there's some incentive for Jester not winning by claiming.town's already disadvantaged enough already = =, forcing to possibly not lynch mafia just in case there's a jester seems too much
Stating in the jester role pm that if he self-votes he'll be modkilled?same problem as LS's case
what about this: Jester has to be lynched before LyLo in order to win. If it survives to LyLo, it wins with town and thus has to vote mafia to win.
that immediately prevents all the BS where the Jester just has to survive to LyLo to claim a joint win, ensures there's a decisive end too
The second part of that win condition doesn't make sense. Just forcing it to win before LyLo is sufficient. Although honestly, that wouldn't really work in small games.
In my case jester only loses immediately if they vote town. If they vote mafia then town still has to decide which of the two is mafia. It be becomes Rock Paper Scissors mafia style.
Though I just thought of other problems with that.
As for jester having to win before lylo, I sort of already tested that.
My solution was if the jester is alive the night before lylo, he dies in place of the mafia kill.
Posting from phone so might miss errors or lack of explaining.
Though I just thought of other problems with that.
As for jester having to win before lylo, I sort of already tested that.
My solution was if the jester is alive the night before lylo, he dies in place of the mafia kill.
Posting from phone so might miss errors or lack of explaining.
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In my case jester only loses immediately if they vote town. If they vote mafia then town still has to decide which of the two is mafia. It be becomes Rock Paper Scissors mafia style.either way, if they happen to vote mafia,in the end, they'll still end up losing. so they might as well not vote at all which causes problems
oo I like thisLadySuburu wrote:
My solution was if the jester is alive the night before lylo, he dies in place of the mafia kill.
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if Jester can't win he has no reason to even bother, leaving town/mafia voting each other with no other votes which turns it into "lolol whoever votes first wins"CalignoBot wrote:
The second part of that win condition doesn't make sense. Just forcing it to win before LyLo is sufficient. Although honestly, that wouldn't really work in small games.
even if I implement the rule "if there's a tie at LyLo, everyone loses", Jester loses anyway so it doesn't matter ><
Changing their win condition at LyLo is technically bastard modding, though. :/
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it's not bastard cause I say outright at the start of the game it'll happen
even if it "technically" is, the whole idea of bastard modding is really unexpected stuff that isn't revealed to the players at first 0.0
and who says bastard games can't be fun anyway 
well anyway, LS's solution seems pretty good for me regardless ~~
even if it "technically" is, the whole idea of bastard modding is really unexpected stuff that isn't revealed to the players at first 0.0
well anyway, LS's solution seems pretty good for me regardless ~~
actually, the correct win condition should be mafia wins in case of a lylo situation with jester and town since mafia holds the same amount of votes as town does?
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no, mafia needs 50% votes total 0.0
Mafia knows when they control half the votes, or nothing can prevent it from happening, I'm not sure whether a Jester counts as not preventing it from happening since a jester is more likely to self-vote on LyLo.
Looks like a good tread on Mafia Discussion in MS should be created.
Looks like a good tread on Mafia Discussion in MS should be created.