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fartownik
I think there might be 2 scum + 1 antitown/3rd party role, and I kinda agree with Lilac with the possibilities of who might be what.

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Vote: JInxy


I'm positive of a possible lineup of JInxy + NH/BRBP. All 3 seem pretty scummy in my eyes, and if Sakura is Town (which I think right now is true) then it's in that 3.
Sakura
@BRBP: You were trolling, I'm using a strategy that isn't going well, also you can't compare me to you since that was my very first mafia game in my life.
NoHitter
Whoa fartownik.
A while ago you said that Sakura and I were scumbuddies, now you're saying that JInxy and I are possible scumbuddies.
Care to explain the shift from "Sakura is scum" to "Sakura is town"? You did a 180 there.
fartownik
p/2461475

This post, especially the first part. Enough for me to lean Town on her, and when I see her as Town I also see new possibilities in the three I wrote down page ago. Basically PoE, but she's not any confirmed Town yet. I would like to see what she has there in D2, I don't know a role that would kill everyone in the time of one night so we should be fine if she lives through it.

I also forgot to answer JInxy here. I meant this post from NH.
Sakura
I also would like to point out how Jinxy jumped to vote me as soon as I called him out for not wanting to be associated with my Lynch, so he's obviously worried about how he looks.
Sakura
Oh yeah, i've been townhunting btw, that's why im getting townreads and not scumreads, tho Jinxy's one is the only person that's been bothering me so far.
fartownik
Lovely discussion.
Sakura
ikr, why don't we start discussing something then.
fartownik
I've discussed + voted, I think 10 of the remaining players should also participate.
Sakura
So do you really think i'm town then?
fartownik
Yes, I assume it. I don't see any particular reason for you to act this way unless you're Town, and I also don't believe in such advanced and specified scumplay from your side, though I have never seen one so there's still a possibility I am wrong here.
Lilac
I won't be able to participate for all of today since I'm out of the house from 7 to 7 and that will happen every Monday for me.

My vote on BRBP is final.
fartownik
@mod: deadline and votecount?
Raging Bull
I gave my opinion on Sakura already. I'm waiting for BRBP instead.
Raging Bull
Also away for the next 8-ish hours or so for work, but it shouldn't be deadline yet.
VoidnOwO
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Sakura
My opinion, or rather question is why can't NH and BRBP be together as scum team?
VoidnOwO
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Sakura
I thought I said that I'm not a jster already.
fartownik

Sakura wrote:

My opinion, or rather question is why can't NH and BRBP be together as scum team?
It's possible, but more possible is one of them is scum with JInxy imo.
Sakura
Well this is moving pretty slowly...
Raging Bull
On my phone but d1 has been moving faster than before
Kitsunemimi
I wanted to post about some of this stuff, but there was an event today so I didn't get the chance to read the recent posts thoroughly and make a proper post, and now I'm just exhausted~

I'll probably try to make a post tomorrow morning as long as nothing comes up :3
Rantai

BRBP wrote:

Also, I'd like to know peoples' opinions about that Jinx + NH/BRBP is scum argument. I'm not asking you to repeat your reads on all of us, just if you think it's like that or not.
Going back through, I don't really have much to say on what they're saying specifically (ie I don't see anything that leans either way yet) but the fact that all 3 of them are voting for Sakura brings up a couple of warning bells.

Call me a skeptic but having all 3 or even 2 of them is highly unlikely, I can't believe a scum team would be THAT obvious. Mind games? Maybe. But that level of risk is high.
Sakura
Well deadline is drawing close and since i'm still in danger i'll give u guys a hint towards my ability:
Whether I use my ability or not depends on the alignment of the person that gets lynched today.

I already left a breadcrumb towards my character and ability in one of my posts, can you find it? :3
Rantai
It's a shame it was too cryptic for my casual touhou mind.
Sakura

Rantai wrote:

It's a shame it was too cryptic for my casual touhou mind.
If i'm still in danger tomorrow night i'll prob. reveal it all.
Jinxy
Reading your ISO, I still have no idea what you are/who you're trying to me, but I did find something rather interesting.

Sakura wrote:

Well deadline is drawing close and since i'm still in danger i'll give u guys a hint towards my ability:
Whether I use my ability or not depends on the alignment of the person that gets lynched today.

I already left a breadcrumb towards my character and ability in one of my posts, can you find it? :3

Sakura wrote:

VI stands for Village Idiot, which is a townie that acts scummy. Also i sent the mod a question regarding my ability and guess i wont be able to prove anything until N2, for some reason i thought i could use it during the day...

Also I really dont like how people are falling for the easy scum trap and voting me, but oh well what can I do about that, guess i'll stop being VI and risk being too townie and get NK'd instead.
This sounds contradictory to me. You claim your ability is affected by the flip on D1, yet you say you can't prove your ability until N2/D3. Then what about the D2 lynch? How come it doesn't affect anything?
Jinxy
Correction: "who you're trying to be"
Sakura
Not really, when i explain my ability you'll understand.

As for the D2 lynch it would affect my ability on N3.
NoHitter
Mod: Can you prod Tanz? I think its been 24 hours since he last posted

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Vote: NoHitter
NoHitter
EBWOP:
Mod: Also prod Kanye, I believe he hasn't posted in 24 hours either.
Sakura
Are you self-voting to save me?
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Well deadline is drawing close and since i'm still in danger i'll give u guys a hint towards my ability:
Whether I use my ability or not depends on the alignment of the person that gets lynched today.

I already left a breadcrumb towards my character and ability in one of my posts, can you find it? :3
hmm, looking through your ISO, could be keine, she lives in the human village (post I think that hinted at it) or hieda no akyuu, whom i personally have never heard of.

don't even know if it's true and how the ability to eat history (or to create it) translates into a mafiagame.

anyway, at this point, I probably swing between jinxy, BRBP, NH and sakura. there are good reasons to vote any of them, be it blatantly scummy behaviour (sakura), weird strategic planning (NH), question avoiding and general semi-activity (BRBP) or coming out of the shadow and being superoffensive from the get go (jinxy).

I lean more for jinxy and BRBP than I do for sakura and NH. reason for that is that I don't really believe in sakura drawing this much attention to her if she were to be scum, and NH didn't force his plan upon us like he did last game. though he kinda got inactive after the massclaim discussion ended and only came up to push sakura further.

I think out of jinxy and BRBP, BRBP is the better alternative. inactive scum hides better than active one, and inactive town helps less than active town.

I'm also sorry for not posting that much either. I didn't have anything to add to the discusssions, as they mostly resolved around sakura, jinxy and in the end BRBP. overall we can see many people hiding in the shadows, and mainly sakura posting here, as she wants the attention.

anyway
Vote: BRBP
Sakura
Wait, that doesn't make sense either! Jinxy has more votes than everyone else but me i think.
Tanzklaue
lol, get prodded while posting.

NH, why self vote?
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.4:

Sakura (2) - BRBP, Jinxy
Jinxy (2) - Sakura, fartownik
BRBP (2) - Lilac, Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue (1) - Royston
NoHItter (1) - NoHItter

deadline is in 23:57
Lilac
Sakura, why the hell do you think everything is revolved around you? Do you have no shame, no humbleness anymore? Far out.

Everyone should totally vote for BRBP because he STILL hasn't even done ANYTHING. Sure, he'll wait until morning and to be honest I think I've waited long enough from him to try and reply.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Lilac
Okay, let me break your reasoning down for voting Sakura earlier.

BRBP wrote:

Comparing to the previous games I've seen her play, and the difference is that this time it doesn't seem helpful to town, and that she took everything a step further.
First, let me tell you that your only reason to vote for her is out of meta. Everything else after your first sentence is either confusing or ambiguous (no surprise there actually). I agree it is definitely not helpful to town what she did, her role does not ever excuse her from that no matter what but I think you need to build a better case as opposed to what you can just see now in front of you.

BRBP wrote:

Why try to get everyones (sic) attention on herself, if she knows she's a townie, basically wasting a lynch if we don't believe her?
Can you rephrase this for me? I can't seem to wrap my head around it, no matter how I try to understand it.

BRBP wrote:

I really dislike these "we're playing like this whether you like it or not" strategies on D1. And it's not like we're guaranteed to catch scum if we let her live...
Maybe if she'd stop screwing around and relying on her role, we could actually find scum instead of guessing that 'at least one scum voted' for her, hell I don't think any scum with brains would vote for something obnoxious as that. For BRBP, what do you dislike about this 'strategy'?

BRBP wrote:

And because Lilac is voting for me for not providing a good reason of voting NH (which I didn't even do).
I voted for you because you had the intention to vote for him for a weak reason. I damn well knew you weren't voting for him and my post even said that.

Lilac wrote:

It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.
So don't you dare twist my words around.
Kanye West
Ah, sry for the inactivity, had a pretty busy Sunday.

I just have this feeling that Sakura is town and trying some weird new strategy rather than being scum. If she really is scum, she's just playing, I don't know, just kinda wrong. Being scummy =/= being scum after all.

The NoHitter self-vote confuses me. I don't really see any motivation behind it, as he had no real vote pressure on him but I've always seen self-voting to be counterproductive to town.

BRBP wrote:

BRBP wrote:

Also, I'd like to know peoples' opinions about that Jinx + NH/BRBP is scum argument. I'm not asking you to repeat your reads on all of us, just if you think it's like that or not.
Still looking for more opinions about this.
Tbh all three of you are leaning scum to me.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Lilac

BRBP wrote:

She knows if she's a townie or not, obviously. She also knows if she is a PR (which she claims to be). She took a big risk and made herself look scum, which basically results in a lynch of a PR if we don't believer her and lynch her. I'm sure there would've been a better way to utilise that power/ability she has than risk wasting it (lynched before first use) by being scummy and then making up weird reasons afterwards.
Here's a hint, everyone here in this game has a PR. I am more than sure pieguy learnt from our first host and to make everything even as mafia was way too underpowered in this first game. However, I actually suspect he's actually thrown a traitor or a lovers role with a mafia in this game. 3 mafia is a bit too weak for 12 players and 4 is too much so I'm keeping my eyes peeled for that.

BRBP wrote:

Why do I dislike that a single person in a way decided how we all play?
You let that single person decide how you played. Not all of us followed, I certainly didn't.

I was waiting for a reply, you replied but I think you've dug yourself way too deep for me.
Lilac
All I wanted was for you to give more information/evidence from your accusation.

That was all. I said that quite a bit from my first post on you. Argh.
Sakura
I did it to avoid a NK, tho at this point im more like betting on the existance of a doc to survive the night.
Tanzklaue
you did draw attention to avoid a nightkill?

and risk being lynched for it?
you also make a perfect target for town vigilantes with your behaviour, and now you want a doctor to protect you this night?

like, seriously?
Sakura
Yeah, that's why I hate being a strong town pr, i always have issues balancing playing Normally and risk getting NK'd or playing more scummy and risk getting lynched.
Sakura
although the existance of my role might imply the non-existance of a doc so i'm prob screwed anyways.
Tanzklaue
wen you play normal town, then your chances of dying are significantly lower as opposed to drawing all the attention on you and begging to get lynched.

egotistical play doesn't help town, at all. you have a nice PR? that's fine, but if you just outright sabotage town just so you can use it, then it's really not worth it.
Sakura
Yeah it was a stupid idea, but i was thinking if i acted scummy then scum would leave me alive during the night to setup a mislynch on me D2.
Lilac
They could have setup a mislynch D1. Anyone could, not just scum.

Can we move on from this Sakura debacle? Not only have you ruined focus of finding scum, but you just gone and done what seems to be fishing for pity. We have around 20 hours left. Let's move on and scumhunt.
Raging Bull

BRBP wrote:

RB, I don't vote sakura thinking she's a jester, it's just a possibility that's not worth letting possible scum live. If you asked something else, then derp.

Sorry, I didn't know I'd have to be this inactive when I joined.

I could be wrong, but didn't you really say she is a jester?

BRBP wrote:

I
I just read everything on one go so I might've missed stuff, but I'm just going to vote Sakura for now. Even if she's a jester, it's very unlikely that the game will end when she's lynched. I'd rather have a lynched jester than a breathing scum. Sakura has been doing some reaction testing in other games as well, but this time it just looked different to me.
Also what the hell is with the self vote NH? Please don't tell me this is a reaction test.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Sakura
I already apologized for my stupidity ;_;

Since i'm still in danger i'm gonna go ahead and say it.

I'm Sanae, and by the use of miracles I can revive dead people, but the catch is that I can only revive people that have been dead for 24 hours in-game time (so someone that died D1, can only be revived after D2 ends, and so on) so that's why I can't use my ability N1.

Just in case I get lynched or NK'd before I get to explain it, also it's a 2-shot PR.
Lilac
And there you go saying your role.

FOR GOD SAKES. Sakura, why are you so weak now? Now that's going to bring up a whole lot of questions like...were you going to lynch town to prove your role and...argh...

Far out... I don't even...
Sakura

Lilac wrote:

And there you go saying your role.

FOR GOD SAKES. Sakura, why are you so weak now? Now that's going to bring up a whole lot of questions like...were you going to lynch town to prove your role and...argh...

Far out... I don't even...
Lynching town would go against my win con so no. Even if i couldn't prove my role because we lynched scum i'd rather be happy that we lynched scum than be happy that we lynched town and then i would have had to waste one of my revives on someone.

We are still aren't in a bad position either, even if I get NK'd we've gotten quite some information from today, as I mentioned before I was forming a town block.

Why am I so weak now? No idea, i would like to know that myself.

Besides, i can only revive them as vanilla townies, so it isn't all that good, and we should still avoid lynching town.
Sakura
Also normally you claim with an intent to hammer, but in here deadlines are shorter and you can get lynched even without a hammer, I am a PR in danger so I claimed like I'm supposed to do ._.
Tanzklaue
you are weak because there was the chance that you don't get lynched, and you most likely wouldn't have gotten NK'd since scum would rather keep you around for the misslynch.

so basically you gave away the possibility of at least one revive and exchanged it for no revive and an extension of your live by 24 hours.
VoidnOwO
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Sakura
BRBP: Why do you keep enphazising the fact that you're town?
Jinxy
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Wow, that... is pretty OP. I'm gonna read the thread a little more first before acting.
Sakura
Yeah and that's why I'm starting to doubt our chances of a doctor, since instead of protecting people I can just go and revive them.
Tanzklaue
@BRBP

it's mostly your overall gameplan. you focus on one person that proved to be a bad townie basically hours ago, and you don't really give alternatives. the only one you had was NH, and you backed up on him. it's kinda like with jinxy, who also mainly focused on sakura (though he also attacked fart I guess).
Sakura
Also that's why I didn't wanna massclaim, but I ended up claiming anyway :<

I still believe the people I gave town cred to will be able to townhunt and form a strong town block that will deflect scum's seed of confusion, if I'm alive D2 then I'll continue with that strategy.
Lilac

BRBP wrote:

I still don't believe Sakura, but I know some/other people do, so I'd rather have scum shoot her than waste a lynch and let them shoot somebody else.
Since they pretty much have to shoot her eventually.

Unvote: Sakura
Vote: Jinxy

It should be obvious I'd rather lynch Jinxy than vote nobody and increase the chances of being lynched myself, as I know I'm town, but don't know if Jinxy is or not.
Brain hurts from reading...first sentence... and last sentence too...

He even said he would vote NoHitter but then goes to Jinx. Graaaah... Someone please...
Sakura
He goes for Jinxy because he doesn't want to die... quite interesting...

I'm also not liking his over-enphazis on saying "I'm town"
Raging Bull

BRBP wrote:

I meant that the chance of someone being a jester isn't a reason not to vote for her if I think she's scum.
can you reword this please? I cannot understand it.
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Also that's why I didn't wanna massclaim, but I ended up claiming anyway :<

I still believe the people I gave town cred to will be able to townhunt and form a strong town block that will deflect scum's seed of confusion, if I'm alive D2 then I'll continue with that strategy.
for the love of god, please don't continue with this strategy. if you survive by miracle then be a nice girl and try to play less extreme and get your revive out (except if we have no dead townies by miracle of course lol).

BRBP, why would you change your vote from sakura if you believe she is scum? and saying that you are town doesn't help your case, it's redundant and worthless information.

and why jinxy and not NH?
Lilac
Sakura. Please give us your reads so far.
Raging Bull
everyone online when im gonna go sleep. K.


Also what tanz said

Tanzklaue wrote:

BRBP, why would you change your vote from sakura if you believe she is scum?
You were convinced that Sakura is scum, now you changed your vote. Why?

Also saying that you're town doesn't really convince us at all.
Sakura
Jinxy/BRBP: Both possible scum but not together.
NH: Possible Scum.
RB: Solid Town
Farto: Solid Town
Lilac: Possible Town
Tanz: Possible Town
Rest is still null.

Jinxy/BRBP: Due to reasons mentioned before, but I doubt one scum would sacrifice the other to save himself, so it's likely but arent together if one of them is scum.
NH: The massclaim, latching onto weak things to attack, then suddenly voting himself for... no apparent reason? (Well that's anti-town rather than scummy but still...)
RB / Farto: Already explained before
Lilac: Good analysis
Tanz: Good analysis.
Lilac
Alright. I'm heading off to bed now but I'll be here all of tomorrow. Which actuality might not be much since deadline is almost here.

Whoever all of you vote for, vote for someone you actually think is scum after you've mulled it over and thought about it for some time. And vote for someone.
fartownik
@Sakura: why exactly did you tell your flavor and role? I don't get it. For past days (irl days) you used to go strong with the tactic, suddenly claming for basically no reason. You had no more votes on yourself than 2 and there was still 24h of deadline.
Sakura
Do remember not voting anyone during the entire day hurts Town's search for information, I'll gladly encourage to look at any people that didn't vote at all D1 during D2.
Raging Bull
deadline is approx 18-19 hours at time of this post I think. Just last using pieguys post. Also going to sleep now and won't be on for approx 16 hours (sleep + work) I will still try to post on my phone. Only one that sticks out to me is BRBP for contradictions on his votes. And the unusual "I'm town" to try and reinforce himself to us that he's town I guess? And smaller extend Jinxy mainly because of Sakura's post here.
Raging Bull

BRBP wrote:

It should be obvious I'd rather lynch Jinxy than vote nobody and increase the chances of being lynched myself, as I know I'm town, but don't know if Jinxy is or not.

Fuck. Okay maybe I'll stay on for this part.

I don't think I've seen any indications in your ISO that you were at least suspicious of Jinxy. The only thing you actually mention is that he is too pro and unreadable.
Sakura
I'm happy lynching either BRBP or Jinxy today. If you guys prefer BRBP i'll gladly move my vote there.
Jinxy

BRBP wrote:

I still don't believe Sakura, but I know some/other people do, so I'd rather have scum shoot her than waste a lynch and let them shoot somebody else.
Since they pretty much have to shoot her eventually.
Wow, this post is rubbing me in the wrong way, in every way.

You think Sakura is scum, yet you say that you'd rather have scum kill her and scum WILL kill her? Like you already know she's town and just trying to put up a little resistance to not look like you're switching targets too suddenly, that's the feel I'm getting here.

You switching from NH to me is also suspicious, but mostly everyone else has already touched on that, so to let you know what I'm seeing:

BRBP wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Why can't you be specific here? You can always give your ideas and suspect more than 1 person, you know. I don't see why reasoning must only come out when voting.
He reminded me of another game, which doesn't really matter anymore, as I got him mixed up with someone else. And because -> I probably shouldn't have even said I'd vote him, it was mostly to mean I have no other suspects at that moment.
I'll vote him for his overall behaviour if Sakura suddenly proves she's town.
That sounds nothing like "I have no other suspects", you specifically said you'd vote NH for overall behaviour, and then switching to me instead when Sakura claimed. very suspicious in my books.

Honestly, tomorrow is going to be quite a busy day for me at school so I don't know if I'll be back by the end of D1, so I'm just going to Vote: BRBP now.
Sakura
Yeah you're right, BRBP keeps contradicting himself too much, I had forgotten about that "I'll vote NH if Sakura suddenly proves she's town"

And the first quote does look like a slip, I didn't notice that, let's try it then.

Vote: BRBP
Raging Bull
Damnit, I'm staying up few extra minutes cause I thought you were still on BRBP. Answer orz
VoidnOwO
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Sakura
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lolwoot. dayvig?
Raging Bull
the fuck?
Tanzklaue
and what exactly are your reasons to shoot NH?
VoidnOwO
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Jinxy
are you fucking serious

I hope you aren't gone after shooting NH because you have some serious explaining to do, just who is your role
NoHitter
*facepalm* wouldn't it have been better if you claimed dayvig THEN asked town to vote on who they wanted dead?
Raging Bull
So...let me get this straight. You shoot NH, then leave without telling us a single reason why. I'm also sure you saw Tanz's question. On top of that, you are willing to leave and not post until D2?


Vote:BRBP

Staying up wasn't worth it at all...
NoHitter
And Sakura, I do know why its in town's interest to act somewhat scum, but not to the point that they get lynched.
NoHitter
also guys as much as I want to kick BRBP in the face now, please unvote.
Dayvig is not a scum role.

Losing two townies in a day is worse than losing one.
Sakura
I really hope for your sake that NH flips scum, otherwise that was quite a waste of a shot...
Sakura
ok then back to the other way
Vote: Jinxy
Dang NH can you at least tell us what PR we lost? Since I can't revive you with your abilities...
Tanzklaue
Unvote
now what?
Sakura

NoHitter wrote:

And Sakura, I do know why its in town's interest to act somewhat scum, but not to the point that they get lynched.
The thing is that I have an issue balancing that out so i can act scum without getting lynched...
NoHitter

NoHitter wrote:

[
Also, the quote tags were broken on purpose -> "Tanz"00k1 -> Tanooki

Futatsuiwa Mamizou (Tanooki Youkai) - Watcher
I could disguise myself to the point that mafia doesn't see me allowing me to watch someone without being detected.
NoHitter
EBWOP: Look at the post I was quoting Tanz.
I broke the tags on purpose and add my role in the form of the verb "watch"
NoHitter
gl town, I guess. I'll keep on posting until pieguy tells me I've died.
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