Okay, let me break your reasoning down for voting Sakura earlier.

BRBP wrote:

Comparing to the previous games I've seen her play, and the difference is that this time it doesn't seem helpful to town, and that she took everything a step further.

First, let me tell you that your only reason to vote for her is out of meta. Everything else after your first sentence is either confusing or ambiguous (no surprise there actually). I agree it is definitely not helpful to town what she did, her role does not ever excuse her from that no matter what but I think you need to build a better case as opposed to what you can just see now in front of you.

BRBP wrote:

Why try to get everyones (sic) attention on herself, if she knows she's a townie, basically wasting a lynch if we don't believe her?

Can you rephrase this for me? I can't seem to wrap my head around it, no matter how I try to understand it.

BRBP wrote:

I really dislike these "we're playing like this whether you like it or not" strategies on D1. And it's not like we're guaranteed to catch scum if we let her live...

Maybe if she'd stop screwing around and relying on her role, we could actually find scum instead of guessing that 'at least one scum voted' for her, hell I don't think any scum with brains would vote for something obnoxious as that. For BRBP, what do you dislike about this 'strategy'?

BRBP wrote:

And because Lilac is voting for me for not providing a good reason of voting NH (which I didn't even do).

I voted for you because you had the intention to vote for him for a weak reason. I damn well knew you weren't voting for him and my post even said that.

Lilac wrote:

It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.

So don't you dare twist my words around.

Ah, sry for the inactivity, had a pretty busy Sunday.

I just have this feeling that Sakura is town and trying some weird new strategy rather than being scum. If she really is scum, she's just playing, I don't know, just kinda wrong. Being scummy =/= being scum after all.

The NoHitter self-vote confuses me. I don't really see any motivation behind it, as he had no real vote pressure on him but I've always seen self-voting to be counterproductive to town.

BRBP wrote:

BRBP wrote:

Also, I'd like to know peoples' opinions about that Jinx + NH/BRBP is scum argument. I'm not asking you to repeat your reads on all of us, just if you think it's like that or not.

Still looking for more opinions about this.

Tbh all three of you are leaning scum to me.

BRBP wrote:

She knows if she's a townie or not, obviously. She also knows if she is a PR (which she claims to be). She took a big risk and made herself look scum, which basically results in a lynch of a PR if we don't believer her and lynch her. I'm sure there would've been a better way to utilise that power/ability she has than risk wasting it (lynched before first use) by being scummy and then making up weird reasons afterwards.

Here's a hint, everyone here in this game has a PR. I am more than sure pieguy learnt from our first host and to make everything even as mafia was way too underpowered in this first game. However, I actually suspect he's actually thrown a traitor or a lovers role with a mafia in this game. 3 mafia is a bit too weak for 12 players and 4 is too much so I'm keeping my eyes peeled for that.

BRBP wrote:

Why do I dislike that a single person in a way decided how we all play?

You let that single person decide how you played. Not all of us followed, I certainly didn't.

I was waiting for a reply, you replied but I think you've dug yourself way too deep for me.

All I wanted was for you to give more information/evidence from your accusation.

That was all. I said that quite a bit from my first post on you. Argh.

I did it to avoid a NK, tho at this point im more like betting on the existance of a doc to survive the night.

you did draw attention to avoid a nightkill?

and risk being lynched for it?
you also make a perfect target for town vigilantes with your behaviour, and now you want a doctor to protect you this night?

like, seriously?

Yeah, that's why I hate being a strong town pr, i always have issues balancing playing Normally and risk getting NK'd or playing more scummy and risk getting lynched.

although the existance of my role might imply the non-existance of a doc so i'm prob screwed anyways.

wen you play normal town, then your chances of dying are significantly lower as opposed to drawing all the attention on you and begging to get lynched.

egotistical play doesn't help town, at all. you have a nice PR? that's fine, but if you just outright sabotage town just so you can use it, then it's really not worth it.

Yeah it was a stupid idea, but i was thinking if i acted scummy then scum would leave me alive during the night to setup a mislynch on me D2.

They could have setup a mislynch D1. Anyone could, not just scum.

Can we move on from this Sakura debacle? Not only have you ruined focus of finding scum, but you just gone and done what seems to be fishing for pity. We have around 20 hours left. Let's move on and scumhunt.

BRBP wrote:

RB, I don't vote sakura thinking she's a jester, it's just a possibility that's not worth letting possible scum live. If you asked something else, then derp.

Sorry, I didn't know I'd have to be this inactive when I joined.

I could be wrong, but didn't you really say she is a jester?

BRBP wrote:

I
I just read everything on one go so I might've missed stuff, but I'm just going to vote Sakura for now. Even if she's a jester, it's very unlikely that the game will end when she's lynched. I'd rather have a lynched jester than a breathing scum. Sakura has been doing some reaction testing in other games as well, but this time it just looked different to me.

Also what the hell is with the self vote NH? Please don't tell me this is a reaction test.

I already apologized for my stupidity ;_;

Since i'm still in danger i'm gonna go ahead and say it.

I'm Sanae, and by the use of miracles I can revive dead people, but the catch is that I can only revive people that have been dead for 24 hours in-game time (so someone that died D1, can only be revived after D2 ends, and so on) so that's why I can't use my ability N1.

Just in case I get lynched or NK'd before I get to explain it, also it's a 2-shot PR.

And there you go saying your role.

FOR GOD SAKES. Sakura, why are you so weak now? Now that's going to bring up a whole lot of questions like...were you going to lynch town to prove your role and...argh...

Far out... I don't even...

Lilac wrote:

And there you go saying your role.

FOR GOD SAKES. Sakura, why are you so weak now? Now that's going to bring up a whole lot of questions like...were you going to lynch town to prove your role and...argh...

Far out... I don't even...

Lynching town would go against my win con so no. Even if i couldn't prove my role because we lynched scum i'd rather be happy that we lynched scum than be happy that we lynched town and then i would have had to waste one of my revives on someone.

We are still aren't in a bad position either, even if I get NK'd we've gotten quite some information from today, as I mentioned before I was forming a town block.

Why am I so weak now? No idea, i would like to know that myself.

Besides, i can only revive them as vanilla townies, so it isn't all that good, and we should still avoid lynching town.

Also normally you claim with an intent to hammer, but in here deadlines are shorter and you can get lynched even without a hammer, I am a PR in danger so I claimed like I'm supposed to do ._.

you are weak because there was the chance that you don't get lynched, and you most likely wouldn't have gotten NK'd since scum would rather keep you around for the misslynch.

so basically you gave away the possibility of at least one revive and exchanged it for no revive and an extension of your live by 24 hours.

BRBP: Why do you keep enphazising the fact that you're town?

Unvote
Wow, that... is pretty OP. I'm gonna read the thread a little more first before acting.

Yeah and that's why I'm starting to doubt our chances of a doctor, since instead of protecting people I can just go and revive them.

@BRBP

it's mostly your overall gameplan. you focus on one person that proved to be a bad townie basically hours ago, and you don't really give alternatives. the only one you had was NH, and you backed up on him. it's kinda like with jinxy, who also mainly focused on sakura (though he also attacked fart I guess).

Also that's why I didn't wanna massclaim, but I ended up claiming anyway :<

I still believe the people I gave town cred to will be able to townhunt and form a strong town block that will deflect scum's seed of confusion, if I'm alive D2 then I'll continue with that strategy.

BRBP wrote:

I still don't believe Sakura, but I know some/other people do, so I'd rather have scum shoot her than waste a lynch and let them shoot somebody else.
Since they pretty much have to shoot her eventually.

Unvote: Sakura
Vote: Jinxy

It should be obvious I'd rather lynch Jinxy than vote nobody and increase the chances of being lynched myself, as I know I'm town, but don't know if Jinxy is or not.

Brain hurts from reading...first sentence... and last sentence too...

He even said he would vote NoHitter but then goes to Jinx. Graaaah... Someone please...

He goes for Jinxy because he doesn't want to die... quite interesting...

I'm also not liking his over-enphazis on saying "I'm town"

BRBP wrote:

I meant that the chance of someone being a jester isn't a reason not to vote for her if I think she's scum.

can you reword this please? I cannot understand it.

Sakura wrote:

Also that's why I didn't wanna massclaim, but I ended up claiming anyway :<

I still believe the people I gave town cred to will be able to townhunt and form a strong town block that will deflect scum's seed of confusion, if I'm alive D2 then I'll continue with that strategy.

for the love of god, please don't continue with this strategy. if you survive by miracle then be a nice girl and try to play less extreme and get your revive out (except if we have no dead townies by miracle of course lol).

BRBP, why would you change your vote from sakura if you believe she is scum? and saying that you are town doesn't help your case, it's redundant and worthless information.

and why jinxy and not NH?

Sakura. Please give us your reads so far.

everyone online when im gonna go sleep. K.


Also what tanz said

Tanzklaue wrote:

BRBP, why would you change your vote from sakura if you believe she is scum?

You were convinced that Sakura is scum, now you changed your vote. Why?

Also saying that you're town doesn't really convince us at all.

Jinxy/BRBP: Both possible scum but not together.
NH: Possible Scum.
RB: Solid Town
Farto: Solid Town
Lilac: Possible Town
Tanz: Possible Town
Rest is still null.

Jinxy/BRBP: Due to reasons mentioned before, but I doubt one scum would sacrifice the other to save himself, so it's likely but arent together if one of them is scum.
NH: The massclaim, latching onto weak things to attack, then suddenly voting himself for... no apparent reason? (Well that's anti-town rather than scummy but still...)
RB / Farto: Already explained before
Lilac: Good analysis
Tanz: Good analysis.

Alright. I'm heading off to bed now but I'll be here all of tomorrow. Which actuality might not be much since deadline is almost here.

Whoever all of you vote for, vote for someone you actually think is scum after you've mulled it over and thought about it for some time. And vote for someone.

@Sakura: why exactly did you tell your flavor and role? I don't get it. For past days (irl days) you used to go strong with the tactic, suddenly claming for basically no reason. You had no more votes on yourself than 2 and there was still 24h of deadline.

Do remember not voting anyone during the entire day hurts Town's search for information, I'll gladly encourage to look at any people that didn't vote at all D1 during D2.

deadline is approx 18-19 hours at time of this post I think. Just last using pieguys post. Also going to sleep now and won't be on for approx 16 hours (sleep + work) I will still try to post on my phone. Only one that sticks out to me is BRBP for contradictions on his votes. And the unusual "I'm town" to try and reinforce himself to us that he's town I guess? And smaller extend Jinxy mainly because of Sakura's post here.

BRBP wrote:

It should be obvious I'd rather lynch Jinxy than vote nobody and increase the chances of being lynched myself, as I know I'm town, but don't know if Jinxy is or not.

Fuck. Okay maybe I'll stay on for this part.

I don't think I've seen any indications in your ISO that you were at least suspicious of Jinxy. The only thing you actually mention is that he is too pro and unreadable.

I'm happy lynching either BRBP or Jinxy today. If you guys prefer BRBP i'll gladly move my vote there.

BRBP wrote:

I still don't believe Sakura, but I know some/other people do, so I'd rather have scum shoot her than waste a lynch and let them shoot somebody else.
Since they pretty much have to shoot her eventually.

Wow, this post is rubbing me in the wrong way, in every way.

You think Sakura is scum, yet you say that you'd rather have scum kill her and scum WILL kill her? Like you already know she's town and just trying to put up a little resistance to not look like you're switching targets too suddenly, that's the feel I'm getting here.

You switching from NH to me is also suspicious, but mostly everyone else has already touched on that, so to let you know what I'm seeing:

BRBP wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Why can't you be specific here? You can always give your ideas and suspect more than 1 person, you know. I don't see why reasoning must only come out when voting.

He reminded me of another game, which doesn't really matter anymore, as I got him mixed up with someone else. And because -> I probably shouldn't have even said I'd vote him, it was mostly to mean I have no other suspects at that moment.

I'll vote him for his overall behaviour if Sakura suddenly proves she's town.

That sounds nothing like "I have no other suspects", you specifically said you'd vote NH for overall behaviour, and then switching to me instead when Sakura claimed. very suspicious in my books.

Honestly, tomorrow is going to be quite a busy day for me at school so I don't know if I'll be back by the end of D1, so I'm just going to Vote: BRBP now.

Yeah you're right, BRBP keeps contradicting himself too much, I had forgotten about that "I'll vote NH if Sakura suddenly proves she's town"

And the first quote does look like a slip, I didn't notice that, let's try it then.

Vote: BRBP

Damnit, I'm staying up few extra minutes cause I thought you were still on BRBP. Answer orz

^
lolwoot. dayvig?

the fuck?

and what exactly are your reasons to shoot NH?

are you fucking serious

I hope you aren't gone after shooting NH because you have some serious explaining to do, just who is your role

*facepalm* wouldn't it have been better if you claimed dayvig THEN asked town to vote on who they wanted dead?

So...let me get this straight. You shoot NH, then leave without telling us a single reason why. I'm also sure you saw Tanz's question. On top of that, you are willing to leave and not post until D2?


Vote:BRBP

Staying up wasn't worth it at all...

And Sakura, I do know why its in town's interest to act somewhat scum, but not to the point that they get lynched.

also guys as much as I want to kick BRBP in the face now, please unvote.
Dayvig is not a scum role.

Losing two townies in a day is worse than losing one.

I really hope for your sake that NH flips scum, otherwise that was quite a waste of a shot...

ok then back to the other way
Vote: Jinxy
Dang NH can you at least tell us what PR we lost? Since I can't revive you with your abilities...

Unvote
now what?

NoHitter wrote:

And Sakura, I do know why its in town's interest to act somewhat scum, but not to the point that they get lynched.

The thing is that I have an issue balancing that out so i can act scum without getting lynched...

NoHitter wrote:

[

Also, the quote tags were broken on purpose -> "Tanz"00k1 -> Tanooki

Futatsuiwa Mamizou (Tanooki Youkai) - Watcher
I could disguise myself to the point that mafia doesn't see me allowing me to watch someone without being detected.

EBWOP: Look at the post I was quoting Tanz.
I broke the tags on purpose and add my role in the form of the verb "watch"

gl town, I guess. I'll keep on posting until pieguy tells me I've died.

I'm going to wait for pieguy's confirmation, too. This seems exactly like the crap BRBP would pull considering he claimed scum in MRP, and the amount of contradictions RE: his Sakura unvote is still making me feel he's scummy.

actually
Vote: BRBP

NH, there is always the chance of a mafia-aligned dayvig. especially with how he just shot without asking, and now going away, basically expecting to survvive until day 2, it just rubs me the wrong way.

I prefer to lynch a bad vanilla townie over possible good townies. atm jinxy is the only other viable option for a lynch. I still think it's more likely for BRBP being a mafia aligned dayvig than for jinxy to be scum. BRBP's actions just scream of being scummy, and with this kind of play, he won't help us all that much either.

If i'm alive D2 i'll revive you N2 NH.

Unless you flip scum which I doubt at this point.

NoHitter wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

[

Also, the quote tags were broken on purpose -> "Tanz"00k1 -> Tanooki

cryptic breadcrumbing at its very best

Actually
Unvote
I'll also wait for the mod's confirmation, and Jinxy's latest posts are making me feel better about him, also I don't have any more leads atm since I've been townhunting

I just sent him a PM, i think that's faster.

Oh my god, I just missed everything

My thoughts, basically:

Tanzklaue wrote:

I still think it's more likely for BRBP being a mafia aligned dayvig than for jinxy to be scum. BRBP's actions just scream of being scummy, and with this kind of play, he won't help us all that much either.

^ this exactly.


BRBP's recent posts are just way too stupidly scummy for him to somehow be pro-town dayvig. I'm calling bullshit.

Jinxy wrote:

BRBP wrote:

I still don't believe Sakura, but I know some/other people do, so I'd rather have scum shoot her than waste a lynch and let them shoot somebody else.
Since they pretty much have to shoot her eventually.

Wow, this post is rubbing me in the wrong way, in every way.

I agree.

BRBP wrote:

I'd rather have scum shoot her

Meaning that's what you're planning on doing tonight right?

BRBP wrote:

as I know I'm town

I know you're not.

BRBP wrote:

Fine, the reason why I don't bother voting for NoHitter instead of Jinxy is because I already knew what I was going to do.

Then why didn't you say anything about it first? You didn't even need to claim. You didn't even have much proof that he was mafia, yet you did it anyways? I'm pretty sure no pro-town dayvig would be stupid enough to just shoot on

BRBP wrote:

He reminded me of another game, which doesn't really matter anymore, as I got him mixed upwith someone else. And because -> I probably shouldn't have even said I'd vote him, it was mostly to mean I have no other suspects at that moment.

Just stupid.

Plus, suddenly going after Jinxy just because he had 2 votes for an easy mislynch was also a really bad move. If you were sure NoHItter was scum, you could've voted him, then convinced other people here about your brilliant reasoning as to why he's mafia. Frankly, I haven't actually focused much on whether Jinxy is scum or not, but you trying to bandwagon him was already obvious enough.


Aaaaand, if everything I just said happens to be completely wrong,

Tanzklaue wrote:

I prefer to lynch a bad vanilla townie over possible good townies.

This. I'd still rather not have our town completely shot off to bits by this BRBP.

Vote: BRBP

...I have a bad feeling about making such an aggressive post D:

^
In addition:
I'm also pretty sure any pro-town dayvig would have PM'd the mod their action instead of announcing it, it's like he's trying too hard to say "I'm town!"

Oh, people posted again.

BRBP wrote:

Mostly I wanted to see who was willing to keep voting me after I told I wouldn't post before D2.
Answering questions in a hour or so when I have time to read everything again.

Sounds like you're trying to pull a Sakura on us.

Not gonna say anything until the mod comes and confirms the kill.

Sakura wrote:

^
In addition:
I'm also pretty sure any pro-town dayvig would have PM'd the mod their action instead of announcing it, it's like he's trying too hard to say "I'm town!"

he could be forced to write it publicly.

still, he just screams scum, and now he wants us to believe it was an action test.

waiting eagerly for the kill confirm.

He could've also faked it to get NH to tell us his ability, which i dont see any town motivation behind that either!!.

Not worth it to get lynched just to out a PR...

I realize that in my previous post, I might've been a bit too harsh to BRBP. I just want to quickly apologize for that. Somewhere in there, I was supposed to use the word "silly" instead of "stupid". >3o

And yeah, I realize your weekend probably could've went better, so sorry for that too.

But that doesn't change that your posts still blatantly make you look like scum to me, so I still stand by what I've written in my last post.

Sakura wrote:

He could've also faked it to get NH to tell us his ability, which i dont see any town motivation behind that either!!.

Not worth it to get lynched just to out a PR...

In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have claimed.
I hadn't considered the possibility of a fake action.
(Games I've played in before usually modkilled people who tried to fake actions like that)

-this is likely going to be my only post for the next 15 hours, going to be in an emergency hospital all day tomorrow-

First thing, that was one desperate shot by BRBP. I could speculate further but I'm going to wait for his response (not sure if I'll even get to see it before deadline though.....)

I prefer to lynch a bad vanilla townie over possible good townies. atm jinxy is the only other viable option for a lynch

A bad townie is still a townie and at this stage (let's say we believe he is a town dayvig) I don't see the point of wasting a lynch on him. Not that he could actually do much else to hurt us either (VT, right?). Actually when I read Tanz's iso it looks like he's mentioned twice that he is ok with lynching the greater of two evils, even if he's not confident on the alignment of either parties. In the end though, still need to wait for pieguy to see.

At the risk of going against the grain, I'd rather not vote unless there is confidence behind it, otherwise you might as well rvs for all it's worth (and call it pressure).

The thing is, if he faked it to make you claim, the scum is in a lot of trouble now, because you can watch me and catch one if i get killed, or if they kill you i can revive you, but BRBP had no way of knowing that.

I just noticed that BRBP appeared on the Users browsing this forum, and then he disappeared again.

Awaiting his reply to the questions he said he'd answer some time around now.

Yeah, it's kinda messed up ._.

So NH is gonna be dead, and i'm gonna be dead tonight...

And i'm still feeling better about Jinxy on his latest posts, makes me wonder if scum is lurking... like kanye or Royston.

Using dayvig on the first day when you have no solid suspects yet is such a waste. And in this case you incapacitated a town information role.
Please rethink your strategy next time. If you are in danger of a lynch and want to prove yourself, claim then ask people who they want shot.

*sigh*

Rules wrote:

don't do anything stupid plz

welp

There's a lot I want to say because part of me doesn't believe what just happened because of how dumb this is... but I can't because this has already gotten way out of hand.
I demand kill confirmation from pieguy :/

Where's that pieguy when you need him

Making pies obviously *runs*

Or making guys *runs*

NOPE

Quick re-read through everyone's ISO, since i haven't done any proper re-reading yet, don't mind if some reads change a bit:

Town Null/Neutral Scum

fartownik: Lots of analysis he says he's leaning on scum on NH+Jinxy+BRBP, he had some reasons to suspect Jinxy, but I don't remember him explaining his scumreads on the other 2, Could you explain what reasonings you had at the time? What has changed since then and why?

Tanzklaue: Lots of IIoA and posts that appear to have content while they actually say nothing in the end, fluffing, then starts getting awfully defensive for a vote on me and starts throwing pre-emptive OMGUS accusation defense, and he's the only person to point that there could be mafia aligned dayvig (or the first at least), dunno for what purpose?

Royston: Seemed awfully sure that I was town despite everything going on, however his ISO doesn't have much to begin with, he does have some interesting content.

Rantai: Coasting, fluffing, very little analysis and some maybe scumslip? on p/2464945/

Rantai wrote:

Not that he could actually do much else to hurt us either (VT, right?).

Raging Bull: Good analysys ftr: p/2459755/ this is called chainsaw defense if both me and farto were scum, also p/2461030/ this confusion feels genuine, hence my townread on him.

NoHitter: I believe his claim, besides he's gonna flip soon anyways from what it seems...

Lilac: Despite being new, he already some quite interesting analysis i doubt newbscum would be capable of faking these things.

Kitsunemimi: Lots of Analysis as well.

Kanye West: Not enough content to be able to form a decent read.

Jinxy: Then we have this guy, who seemed to like to place suspicion on me without getting involved and when I call him out on it suddenly votes me, his latest posts look like good analysis tho, so he's back to null.

BRBP: This guy's been doing lots of scummy things today, including that headshot to NH, I don't think he's cleared by all means, but I wouldn't want to waste a lynch on him if he's town, i think it's better for a cop if existant to scan him tonight.

Now with all that.
Vote: Tanzklaue

Questions are always welcome.

Lilac isn't new haha.

My next suspect I have is probably Kanye. He's active around his game and he was generally inactive as mafia last game when I was his partner.

Yay mod is on

and yet another complete 180 flip flop by sakura. I honestly don't get you anymore girl.

I still vote BRBP, because I still think he is the most likely to be scum, especially with recent developments (jinxy looking more town [though that can be just strategy]) and BRBP not really convincng me either.

I also have suspicions on kanye and royston, simply for not being here. the amount of lurking from both is suspicious.

even if you're a complete newcomer, you normally don't post almost anything at all. royston could be newbie scum that tries to hide without giving much info to us. kanye could also do the same, to lesser extents (he posted a few times in contrast to royston).

way to go making 7 pages of posts while I was asleep O_O
first off, deadline extended by 24 hours

*everyone is going about their usual business, when all of a sudden*
MASTER SPARK!!
suddenly a huge flash of light appeared, and it seemed directed at NoHItter. It seemed to be directly coming from BRBP. next thing we knew, NH died..

NoHItter (Futatsuiwa Mamizou) - Watcher - master sparked D1

Votecount 1.5:

BRBP (5) - Lilac, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, Kitsunemimi (L-2)
Jinxy (2) - fartownik, BRBP
Tanzklaue (2) - Royston, Sakura

deadline is in 34:17