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Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Sakura is getting weirder and weirder ._.

The one thing I'm getting from this is that there's no way a mafia member could want to draw that much attention to themselves like that right from the start. I could be wrong, but it just seems like an unlikely thing. Of course that obviously doesn't just make her town. Sakura says that the 'scummier she looks, the better'. And she's not a jester. I'm sorry, but what? She also says that it'll all be explained on D2.

So she's trying to draw attention to herself, and she seems to be doing a good job of it. Her reason for this is to expose scum, but the fact that she says 'it'll all make sense come D2' tells me she's obviously hiding something. I'm not convinced that she's acting *for* the town right now, so I'm thinking that it might actually be better to ignore her and stop doing exactly what she wants us to do. I want to find out what this whole thing is about on D2 too, in case she happens to be town for whatever reason, so it might also be a smart idea to not lynch her today. Any thoughts? I'm rather unsure about this myself.

If Sakura has nothing to say about this come D2, then maybe we should lynch her then.
fartownik
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She might be Lynchproof bringing attention, getting lynched and not dying. Then D2 seeing who voted her and looking for scum in that group.

If this is so, then it's invalid. You can get lynched right now without votes from scum easily for your current behavior.
Sakura
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Kitsunemimi: And why can't I be scum trying to achieve not getting lynched by purposefully drawing attention to me and getting that exact same reaction from you?
fartownik
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Or maybe she's just bringing shitload of attention because she's Mafia and every game she was Mafia she got lynched D1 because of unwanted attention she radiated.
fartownik
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Jeez, why you ninja me.
Sakura
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Yeah exactly, and since you got the exact same thought process I have, i do believe you are town now farto.
Kitsunemimi
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I know of the possibility that she could be mafia but if she's not then it would be a really dumb mislynch imo.

If people still want to lynch Sakura then I have nothing against that, it's just that it seems too obvious.
fartownik
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fartownik
inb4 Paranoid Gun Owner scum and every damn PR tries to target Sakura tonight.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
EBWOP: There should be plenty sufficient reasoning for the lynch of course.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Oh god that just looked incredibly stupid I should stop posting while trying to eat.
Sakura
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My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
fartownik
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Sakura wrote:

My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
Yeah, and we got out of it suspecting you mostly :f
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
But we were already out of it by discussing mass claim vs no mass claim.
Sakura
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fartownik wrote:

Sakura wrote:

My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
Yeah, and we got out of it suspecting you mostly :f
For what reason?

RB: I dont believe that would have gotten anything more other than a "yeah" or "nope"
Raging Bull
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imo, discussion looked pretty nice at first, but with your claim on fart, it is hard to even know how it wiould have been in the first place. NH looked liek he would keep discussion going.
Sakura
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Raging Bull wrote:

imo, discussion looked pretty nice at first, but with your claim on fart, it is hard to even know how it wiould have been in the first place. NH looked liek he would keep discussion going.
If he really wanted to keep that discussion going then he should be being voted right now, that discussion would have been very detrimental to town because obv the townies with the better abilities would be right out rejecting something like that, and scum would know where to start shooting.
Raging Bull
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Fuck I'm so confused right now. I'm still suspicious of you, but I honestly soooooooooo doubt it you would make so much attention to yourself as scum (especially since you said how you get lyn ched D1 quite a bit as scum) I'm not even sure if you are just doing it again to change meta or to maintain a consistent meta
Sakura
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i've only been lynched thrice as scum, and only 1 of them was D1, i've also been mislynched D1 as town. Your point?
Raging Bull
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I was under the impression that when you get lynched D1, you were mafia.
Sakura
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Sakura
Well not really, but I don't want you to town-read me just because of meta, if you think im town or scum please let it be because of my attitude this game.
Sakura
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Sakura
oh btw, because of your latest posts i'm leaning more town on you.
Jinxy
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I'm personally getting the feel that Sakura is just rolling along with these few posts starting with Tanz instead of outright refuting them so as to sound like she has a plan, and then peppering in attempts to prevent herself from getting lynched.

Sakura wrote:

It will all make sense come D2...
"Want to know more? Keep me alive." This looks like an attempt to buy time and not get lynched D1 instead of anything useful to me, unless she can give something concrete by the end of D1 to persuade me.

Also,

fartownik wrote:

Either Sakura is sure she can prove herself Town in the future (i.e. claiming Mason) or she's Jester, because she acts pretty crazy (SAKURA ON ACID).

The second might be possible, but it might be a also a play so we don't lynch her and she's actually scum with NoHitter whom bring the idea of it.
I didn't really get this part of what you said, here. What's "it", the massclaim suggestion? Is it regarding the first or the second possibility?
Rantai
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So what I gather from the last 12 hours (ie I was sleeping) is that Sakura has some plan and is throwing town cred based on criteria that I don't understand at this time?

I don't really know what to make of this situation, it sounds more like a baiting for rolefishers than anything else.

--

That said;

Kitsunemimi wrote:

If people still want to lynch Sakura then I have nothing against that, it's just that it seems too obvious.
These types of lines always sit uncomfortably with me because they're a wish-washy way of saying I'm fine with this lynch but don't want to do anything about it. And yeah I did see his next post, which doesn't really salvage that post.
Kitsunemimi
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I just didn't want to sound like I'm really against lynching Sakura/trying to protect her for whatever reason.
To be honest I actually want to vote her right now. But what she said earlier about wanting to look scummy on purpose is putting me off. Strangely enough, I feel like she's changed her attitude slightly on the last page and now switched to being rather neutral...
NoHitter
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Vote: Sakura

Honestly, your "intentionally acting scummy" play is not helping town at all. (I know how it feels, as I've tried doing so for a gambit in a previous game as town.) Unless your plan manages to help in confirming people or some other gigantic information will be put out, I don't see how anything but WIFOM can result from your plan.

At the moment, you're just dividing town into those who would vote for you, and those who are unsure.
Sakura
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Sakura
Care to explain why is not helping town at all? I thought my strategy would be obvious tbh, for anyone town aligned that is.
Sakura
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Sakura
Do you guys seriously find no motivation for town to act like a VI?
Lilac
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The hell is VI? No matter. Vote: BRBP.

BRBP wrote:

I just read everything on one go so I might've missed stuff, but I'm just going to vote Sakura for now. Even if she's a jester, it's very unlikely that the game will end when she's lynched. I'd rather have a lynched jester than a breathing scum. Sakura has been doing some reaction testing in other games as well, but this time it just looked different to me.
What exactly looks different? What are you comparing it to? Is this difference even scum worthy? You've left things absurdly vague which makes it 'look' like you are contributing but anyone could say that things look different.

BRBP wrote:

I don't really know what NH is doing. Maybe calling people by their old names is just a weak way of trying to breadcrumb some ancient games he has played with you, but this is just guessing :/ I'll vote him for his overall behaviour if Sakura suddenly proves she's town.
This REALLY irritates me. NoHitter is calling people by their old names because he's too insensitive and latching on to the past instead of moving on like some of us have. That's not the point though, what actually irritates me is that you've also stated 'overall behaviour', another general term. Maybe a vote on you can actually make you become more specific as opposed to leaving out bits and pieces for us to try and generalise about. It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.

BRBP wrote:

Jinxy is too pro and unreadable to me :<
Even 'professionals' can crumble apart if you tear at them long enough in the right way.
Sakura
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VI stands for Village Idiot, which is a townie that acts scummy. Also i sent the mod a question regarding my ability and guess i wont be able to prove anything until N2, for some reason i thought i could use it during the day...

Also I really dont like how people are falling for the easy scum trap and voting me, but oh well what can I do about that, guess i'll stop being VI and risk being too townie and get NK'd instead.
Sakura
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Sakura
Actually Jinxy's ISO reeks of "Sakura's so scummy you should be voting her" without getting himself involved.... interesting
Jinxy
Sakura
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Sakura
bah, too used to vote tags
Vote: Jinxy
pieguyn
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Votecount 1.3:

Sakura (3) - BRBP fartownik NoHItter
BRBP (1) - Lilac
Jinxy (1) - Sakura
VoidnOwO
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Royston
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My reads at the moment:

Jinxy: Seems town to me, quite a lot of analysis in posts

fartownik: Again, posts are pretty analysis heavy- I'm still not sure about his involvement in the whole massclaim but his posts seem more focused towards scumhunting than scumpainting.

Sakura: I still stand by what I said, and that is that I don't think scum would want to draw attention to themselves like that. Or maybe they are scum and has some super duper lynch me please ability idk. I'm not prepared to vote for her at this stage, however.

Tanzklaue: Most of their posts seemed to be pretty short and pretty targeted against Sakura. My gut feeling is that this is scummy behavior (note: I have no mafia experience so this could be totally wrong). My best guess for scum atm though.

NoHItter: Same with what I said with Sakura, I don't think scum would want to draw attention to themselves by suggesting a massclaim out the gate. If only for that, leaning town for me

Everyone else is null to me, honestly. Sorry for the vaguery
Overall I'm confused

So out of all that
Vote: Tanzklaue


Jinxy wrote:

Whoops, forgot Royston. He's still null to me, his posts weren't particularly useful in any way.
:cry: (but true)

okay time to murder more pikmin
Jinxy
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Sakura wrote:

Do you guys seriously find no motivation for town to act like a VI?
I can think of a few roles, but none of them require buying time to get to D2...

Sakura wrote:

VI stands for Village Idiot, which is a townie that acts scummy. Also i sent the mod a question regarding my ability and guess i wont be able to prove anything until N2, for some reason i thought i could use it during the day...
Oh, D3, then. Really asking for a lot now while still trying to hide so much, aren't you?

Sakura wrote:

Actually Jinxy's ISO reeks of "Sakura's so scummy you should be voting her" without getting himself involved.... interesting
At this point of the game you're equivalent to a loud and bright siren, what else could I talk about? But sure, if it gets you closer to start telling us just what the hell you're trying to do, if you're even town, then

Vote: Sakura

RE: BRBP and Lilac, BRBP brings some good points on Sakura, but,

BRBP wrote:

Lilac wrote:

This REALLY irritates me. NoHitter is calling people by their old names because he's too insensitive and latching on to the past instead of moving on like some of us have. That's not the point though, what actually irritates me is that you've also stated 'overall behaviour', another general term. Maybe a vote on you can actually make you become more specific as opposed to leaving out bits and pieces for us to try and generalise about. It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.
Correction, asking makes me become more specific :3

Except this time. Please note that I haven't actually voted him yet. I'll explain why when/if I vote later on.
Why can't you be specific here? You can always give your ideas and suspect more than 1 person, you know. I don't see why reasoning must only come out when voting.
Raging Bull
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The only thing that is stopping me from voting Sakura is what she says. I honestly doubt scum would bring so much attention to themselves. I'm positive at least one scum is already on her bandwagon.

@BRBP, why are you voting for Sakura if you think she's jester? Isn't jester a third party who CANNOT kill? Why would you want to lynch someone who is harmless (but god damn confusing) instead of scum? You're basically making her win and making us lose even more since scum doesnt have to worry about targetting third party instead of town.
fartownik
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I think there might be 2 scum + 1 antitown/3rd party role, and I kinda agree with Lilac with the possibilities of who might be what.

Unvote
Vote: JInxy

I'm positive of a possible lineup of JInxy + NH/BRBP. All 3 seem pretty scummy in my eyes, and if Sakura is Town (which I think right now is true) then it's in that 3.
Sakura
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Sakura
@BRBP: You were trolling, I'm using a strategy that isn't going well, also you can't compare me to you since that was my very first mafia game in my life.
NoHitter
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Whoa fartownik.
A while ago you said that Sakura and I were scumbuddies, now you're saying that JInxy and I are possible scumbuddies.
Care to explain the shift from "Sakura is scum" to "Sakura is town"? You did a 180 there.
fartownik
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p/2461475

This post, especially the first part. Enough for me to lean Town on her, and when I see her as Town I also see new possibilities in the three I wrote down page ago. Basically PoE, but she's not any confirmed Town yet. I would like to see what she has there in D2, I don't know a role that would kill everyone in the time of one night so we should be fine if she lives through it.

I also forgot to answer JInxy here. I meant this post from NH.
Sakura
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I also would like to point out how Jinxy jumped to vote me as soon as I called him out for not wanting to be associated with my Lynch, so he's obviously worried about how he looks.
Sakura
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Oh yeah, i've been townhunting btw, that's why im getting townreads and not scumreads, tho Jinxy's one is the only person that's been bothering me so far.
fartownik
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Lovely discussion.
Sakura
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Sakura
ikr, why don't we start discussing something then.
fartownik
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I've discussed + voted, I think 10 of the remaining players should also participate.
Sakura
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Sakura
So do you really think i'm town then?
fartownik
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Yes, I assume it. I don't see any particular reason for you to act this way unless you're Town, and I also don't believe in such advanced and specified scumplay from your side, though I have never seen one so there's still a possibility I am wrong here.
Lilac
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I won't be able to participate for all of today since I'm out of the house from 7 to 7 and that will happen every Monday for me.

My vote on BRBP is final.
fartownik
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@mod: deadline and votecount?
Raging Bull
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I gave my opinion on Sakura already. I'm waiting for BRBP instead.
Raging Bull
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Also away for the next 8-ish hours or so for work, but it shouldn't be deadline yet.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Sakura
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My opinion, or rather question is why can't NH and BRBP be together as scum team?
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Sakura
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I thought I said that I'm not a jster already.
fartownik
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Sakura wrote:

My opinion, or rather question is why can't NH and BRBP be together as scum team?
It's possible, but more possible is one of them is scum with JInxy imo.
Sakura
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Well this is moving pretty slowly...
Raging Bull
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On my phone but d1 has been moving faster than before
Kitsunemimi
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I wanted to post about some of this stuff, but there was an event today so I didn't get the chance to read the recent posts thoroughly and make a proper post, and now I'm just exhausted~

I'll probably try to make a post tomorrow morning as long as nothing comes up :3
Rantai
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BRBP wrote:

Also, I'd like to know peoples' opinions about that Jinx + NH/BRBP is scum argument. I'm not asking you to repeat your reads on all of us, just if you think it's like that or not.
Going back through, I don't really have much to say on what they're saying specifically (ie I don't see anything that leans either way yet) but the fact that all 3 of them are voting for Sakura brings up a couple of warning bells.

Call me a skeptic but having all 3 or even 2 of them is highly unlikely, I can't believe a scum team would be THAT obvious. Mind games? Maybe. But that level of risk is high.
Sakura
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Well deadline is drawing close and since i'm still in danger i'll give u guys a hint towards my ability:
Whether I use my ability or not depends on the alignment of the person that gets lynched today.

I already left a breadcrumb towards my character and ability in one of my posts, can you find it? :3
Rantai
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It's a shame it was too cryptic for my casual touhou mind.
Sakura
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Rantai wrote:

It's a shame it was too cryptic for my casual touhou mind.
If i'm still in danger tomorrow night i'll prob. reveal it all.
Jinxy
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Reading your ISO, I still have no idea what you are/who you're trying to me, but I did find something rather interesting.

Sakura wrote:

Well deadline is drawing close and since i'm still in danger i'll give u guys a hint towards my ability:
Whether I use my ability or not depends on the alignment of the person that gets lynched today.

I already left a breadcrumb towards my character and ability in one of my posts, can you find it? :3

Sakura wrote:

VI stands for Village Idiot, which is a townie that acts scummy. Also i sent the mod a question regarding my ability and guess i wont be able to prove anything until N2, for some reason i thought i could use it during the day...

Also I really dont like how people are falling for the easy scum trap and voting me, but oh well what can I do about that, guess i'll stop being VI and risk being too townie and get NK'd instead.
This sounds contradictory to me. You claim your ability is affected by the flip on D1, yet you say you can't prove your ability until N2/D3. Then what about the D2 lynch? How come it doesn't affect anything?
Jinxy
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Correction: "who you're trying to be"
Sakura
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Not really, when i explain my ability you'll understand.

As for the D2 lynch it would affect my ability on N3.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Mod: Can you prod Tanz? I think its been 24 hours since he last posted

Unvote
Vote: NoHitter
NoHitter
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EBWOP:
Mod: Also prod Kanye, I believe he hasn't posted in 24 hours either.
Sakura
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Are you self-voting to save me?
Tanzklaue
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Sakura wrote:

Well deadline is drawing close and since i'm still in danger i'll give u guys a hint towards my ability:
Whether I use my ability or not depends on the alignment of the person that gets lynched today.

I already left a breadcrumb towards my character and ability in one of my posts, can you find it? :3
hmm, looking through your ISO, could be keine, she lives in the human village (post I think that hinted at it) or hieda no akyuu, whom i personally have never heard of.

don't even know if it's true and how the ability to eat history (or to create it) translates into a mafiagame.

anyway, at this point, I probably swing between jinxy, BRBP, NH and sakura. there are good reasons to vote any of them, be it blatantly scummy behaviour (sakura), weird strategic planning (NH), question avoiding and general semi-activity (BRBP) or coming out of the shadow and being superoffensive from the get go (jinxy).

I lean more for jinxy and BRBP than I do for sakura and NH. reason for that is that I don't really believe in sakura drawing this much attention to her if she were to be scum, and NH didn't force his plan upon us like he did last game. though he kinda got inactive after the massclaim discussion ended and only came up to push sakura further.

I think out of jinxy and BRBP, BRBP is the better alternative. inactive scum hides better than active one, and inactive town helps less than active town.

I'm also sorry for not posting that much either. I didn't have anything to add to the discusssions, as they mostly resolved around sakura, jinxy and in the end BRBP. overall we can see many people hiding in the shadows, and mainly sakura posting here, as she wants the attention.

anyway
Vote: BRBP
Sakura
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Wait, that doesn't make sense either! Jinxy has more votes than everyone else but me i think.
Tanzklaue
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lol, get prodded while posting.

NH, why self vote?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Votecount 1.4:

Sakura (2) - BRBP, Jinxy
Jinxy (2) - Sakura, fartownik
BRBP (2) - Lilac, Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue (1) - Royston
NoHItter (1) - NoHItter

deadline is in 23:57
Lilac
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Sakura, why the hell do you think everything is revolved around you? Do you have no shame, no humbleness anymore? Far out.

Everyone should totally vote for BRBP because he STILL hasn't even done ANYTHING. Sure, he'll wait until morning and to be honest I think I've waited long enough from him to try and reply.
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Lilac
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Okay, let me break your reasoning down for voting Sakura earlier.

BRBP wrote:

Comparing to the previous games I've seen her play, and the difference is that this time it doesn't seem helpful to town, and that she took everything a step further.
First, let me tell you that your only reason to vote for her is out of meta. Everything else after your first sentence is either confusing or ambiguous (no surprise there actually). I agree it is definitely not helpful to town what she did, her role does not ever excuse her from that no matter what but I think you need to build a better case as opposed to what you can just see now in front of you.

BRBP wrote:

Why try to get everyones (sic) attention on herself, if she knows she's a townie, basically wasting a lynch if we don't believe her?
Can you rephrase this for me? I can't seem to wrap my head around it, no matter how I try to understand it.

BRBP wrote:

I really dislike these "we're playing like this whether you like it or not" strategies on D1. And it's not like we're guaranteed to catch scum if we let her live...
Maybe if she'd stop screwing around and relying on her role, we could actually find scum instead of guessing that 'at least one scum voted' for her, hell I don't think any scum with brains would vote for something obnoxious as that. For BRBP, what do you dislike about this 'strategy'?

BRBP wrote:

And because Lilac is voting for me for not providing a good reason of voting NH (which I didn't even do).
I voted for you because you had the intention to vote for him for a weak reason. I damn well knew you weren't voting for him and my post even said that.

Lilac wrote:

It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.
So don't you dare twist my words around.
Kanye West
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Ah, sry for the inactivity, had a pretty busy Sunday.

I just have this feeling that Sakura is town and trying some weird new strategy rather than being scum. If she really is scum, she's just playing, I don't know, just kinda wrong. Being scummy =/= being scum after all.

The NoHitter self-vote confuses me. I don't really see any motivation behind it, as he had no real vote pressure on him but I've always seen self-voting to be counterproductive to town.

BRBP wrote:

BRBP wrote:

Also, I'd like to know peoples' opinions about that Jinx + NH/BRBP is scum argument. I'm not asking you to repeat your reads on all of us, just if you think it's like that or not.
Still looking for more opinions about this.
Tbh all three of you are leaning scum to me.
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Lilac
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BRBP wrote:

She knows if she's a townie or not, obviously. She also knows if she is a PR (which she claims to be). She took a big risk and made herself look scum, which basically results in a lynch of a PR if we don't believer her and lynch her. I'm sure there would've been a better way to utilise that power/ability she has than risk wasting it (lynched before first use) by being scummy and then making up weird reasons afterwards.
Here's a hint, everyone here in this game has a PR. I am more than sure pieguy learnt from our first host and to make everything even as mafia was way too underpowered in this first game. However, I actually suspect he's actually thrown a traitor or a lovers role with a mafia in this game. 3 mafia is a bit too weak for 12 players and 4 is too much so I'm keeping my eyes peeled for that.

BRBP wrote:

Why do I dislike that a single person in a way decided how we all play?
You let that single person decide how you played. Not all of us followed, I certainly didn't.

I was waiting for a reply, you replied but I think you've dug yourself way too deep for me.
Lilac
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All I wanted was for you to give more information/evidence from your accusation.

That was all. I said that quite a bit from my first post on you. Argh.
Sakura
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I did it to avoid a NK, tho at this point im more like betting on the existance of a doc to survive the night.
Tanzklaue
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you did draw attention to avoid a nightkill?

and risk being lynched for it?
you also make a perfect target for town vigilantes with your behaviour, and now you want a doctor to protect you this night?

like, seriously?
Sakura
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Yeah, that's why I hate being a strong town pr, i always have issues balancing playing Normally and risk getting NK'd or playing more scummy and risk getting lynched.
Sakura
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although the existance of my role might imply the non-existance of a doc so i'm prob screwed anyways.
Tanzklaue
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wen you play normal town, then your chances of dying are significantly lower as opposed to drawing all the attention on you and begging to get lynched.

egotistical play doesn't help town, at all. you have a nice PR? that's fine, but if you just outright sabotage town just so you can use it, then it's really not worth it.
Sakura
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Yeah it was a stupid idea, but i was thinking if i acted scummy then scum would leave me alive during the night to setup a mislynch on me D2.
Lilac
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They could have setup a mislynch D1. Anyone could, not just scum.

Can we move on from this Sakura debacle? Not only have you ruined focus of finding scum, but you just gone and done what seems to be fishing for pity. We have around 20 hours left. Let's move on and scumhunt.
Raging Bull
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BRBP wrote:

RB, I don't vote sakura thinking she's a jester, it's just a possibility that's not worth letting possible scum live. If you asked something else, then derp.

Sorry, I didn't know I'd have to be this inactive when I joined.

I could be wrong, but didn't you really say she is a jester?

BRBP wrote:

I
I just read everything on one go so I might've missed stuff, but I'm just going to vote Sakura for now. Even if she's a jester, it's very unlikely that the game will end when she's lynched. I'd rather have a lynched jester than a breathing scum. Sakura has been doing some reaction testing in other games as well, but this time it just looked different to me.
Also what the hell is with the self vote NH? Please don't tell me this is a reaction test.
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Sakura
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I already apologized for my stupidity ;_;

Since i'm still in danger i'm gonna go ahead and say it.

I'm Sanae, and by the use of miracles I can revive dead people, but the catch is that I can only revive people that have been dead for 24 hours in-game time (so someone that died D1, can only be revived after D2 ends, and so on) so that's why I can't use my ability N1.

Just in case I get lynched or NK'd before I get to explain it, also it's a 2-shot PR.
Lilac
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And there you go saying your role.

FOR GOD SAKES. Sakura, why are you so weak now? Now that's going to bring up a whole lot of questions like...were you going to lynch town to prove your role and...argh...

Far out... I don't even...
Sakura
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Lilac wrote:

And there you go saying your role.

FOR GOD SAKES. Sakura, why are you so weak now? Now that's going to bring up a whole lot of questions like...were you going to lynch town to prove your role and...argh...

Far out... I don't even...
Lynching town would go against my win con so no. Even if i couldn't prove my role because we lynched scum i'd rather be happy that we lynched scum than be happy that we lynched town and then i would have had to waste one of my revives on someone.

We are still aren't in a bad position either, even if I get NK'd we've gotten quite some information from today, as I mentioned before I was forming a town block.

Why am I so weak now? No idea, i would like to know that myself.

Besides, i can only revive them as vanilla townies, so it isn't all that good, and we should still avoid lynching town.
Sakura
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Also normally you claim with an intent to hammer, but in here deadlines are shorter and you can get lynched even without a hammer, I am a PR in danger so I claimed like I'm supposed to do ._.
Tanzklaue
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you are weak because there was the chance that you don't get lynched, and you most likely wouldn't have gotten NK'd since scum would rather keep you around for the misslynch.

so basically you gave away the possibility of at least one revive and exchanged it for no revive and an extension of your live by 24 hours.
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Sakura
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BRBP: Why do you keep enphazising the fact that you're town?
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Wow, that... is pretty OP. I'm gonna read the thread a little more first before acting.
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