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Iggy
172 posts
Joined August 2012
Iggy
Bought Thresh because he was the only support I didn't own.

Now I've played 5 games with him and all I have to say:
That shit is ridiculously overpowered. Like what the fuck all the damage/utility/CC I can throw around is just retarded.

It's weird he hasn't been nerfed harder yet.
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Igenatius wrote:

Bought Thresh because he was the only support I didn't own.

Now I've played 5 games with him and all I have to say:
That shit is ridiculously overpowered. Like what the fuck all the damage/utility/CC I can throw around is just retarded.

It's weird he hasn't been nerfed harder yet.
Maybe you're unusually good with him. Always a possibility.
That being said, I've seen / heard him being banned a lot too.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
Thresh is straight up ridiculous.

Let's make a Blitzcrank and Leona hybrid while adding a unique mechanic to the champion.


Yeah right.
Iggy
172 posts
Joined August 2012
Iggy

Justykanna wrote:

Maybe you're unusually good with him. Always a possibility.
That being said, I've seen / heard him being banned a lot too.
I'm a decent support, but nothing special. Things that make him strong in my opinion:
Autoattack damage steroid (really high).
Hook which allows for a godlike combo with E/lantern/ult.
Retardedly high damage on ult (first wall hit).
The stats he gains from gathering souls.

Get ruby sightstone first and after that go for aegis, you'll be able to tank a lot of shit.
Uni
Global Moderator
250 posts
Joined December 2010
Uni


Poppy is fun x3
BrokenArrow
2,236 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
Poppy is trash. :c
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Poppy is beautiful she can go 1v5 under every turret in the game at the same time
Synchrostar
866 posts
Joined July 2010
Synchrostar
poppy op
only problem is that most toplane matchups are bad for her which is why i run her support
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
It's not even about if they are good or not because everything can work in solo queue.
Poppy is an excellent example of poor design and she is old as hell too. She is confirmed for changes.

After harassing Morello constantly on both the LoL forums and Twitter about Warwick I finally got a response that he will be getting something eventually.
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

After harassing Morello constantly on both the LoL forums and Twitter about Warwick I finally got a response that he will be getting something eventually.
"Eventually", lol. Who knows when that'll be.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Probably a very long time. Hopefully not Karma long though.

Warwick as is can't be a strong pick because of how toxic his laning is, and he will get nerfed again if they buff him. He needs to be reworked because his kit makes little sense with awkward scaling on passive, Q and R. His W and E are used as support abilities for his team more than he uses them for himself most of the time. Then there is mobility and power creep issues that he suffers from.

Morello has pretty much said (since February) that Warwick is weak, but we have no idea how to balance him. Same was said for poppy almost a year ago, and then again for Irelia recently. I have a feeling all 3 of them will get a rework.
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
Who is, mechanically, the hardest champion to play effectively.
Backfire
3,204 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire

[AirCoN] wrote:

Who is, mechanically, the hardest champion to play effectively.
Orianna. That's not too hard to figure out. Though it could be argued that full effect of Twisted Fate's power may be a little difficult. He is all about timing windows. And Lee Sin too.

Those are the only champs that I feel are somewhat difficult to play to their full potential.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Stuff like Syndra and Cassiopeia come to mind. They are both really strong when played well, but incredibly easy to mess up with.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
I can see why you mention Syndra but Cassiopea?

Just hit every fucking button.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West

[AirCoN] wrote:

Who is, mechanically, the hardest champion to play effectively.
depends on what you mean by "hardest to play effectively"

there's high skill floor champions - ones that are completely or close to useless if not played well, as well as high skill ceiling champions - those that are really good if played to maximum potential.

some high skill floor champs would be anivia, gragas, alistar, syndra, and cassiopeia. also orianna and janna to a lesser extent because they still both have targeted shields and orianna's aoe from the ball is fairly forgiving in range.

there are a ton of high skill ceiling champs, like lee sin, zed, vayne, nidalee, shaco, thresh etc

TKiller wrote:

I can see why you mention Syndra but Cassiopea?

Just hit every fucking button.
sure, in lane cassio can stomp anyone, kind of like draven in botlane, but the real difficulty behind her is using her to max potential in teamfights. you basically have to position perfectly for an ult and then spend the rest of the fight trying not to get killed from divers
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

TKiller wrote:

I can see why you mention Syndra but Cassiopea?

Just hit every fucking button.
Her skill shots are incredibly easy to dodge.
Backfire
3,204 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
Ah yeah, forget about Zed. Hitting his Q is really important and those bitches are tiny :V
SiFly_old
0 posts
Joined April 2013
SiFly_old
Draven is impossible to play, when you aa an enemy you have to direct toward where you want your axes to land and catch and repeat. This means.. you'll have to know where you want to be with your next autoattack, very quickly and constanly. Aiming the axe landing position is already very hard to do mechanically.
Azer
World Cup Organiser
1,107 posts
Joined December 2012
Azer

Vulf wrote:

eventually.
SOON™

SiFly wrote:

Draven is impossible to play, when you aa an enemy you have to direct toward where you want your axes to land and catch and repeat. This means.. you'll have to know where you want to be with your next autoattack, very quickly and constanly. Aiming the axe landing position is already very hard to do mechanically.
don't mind the fact that your early game is so ridiculously strong that you can kill the enemy adc 100-0 in 4 or 5 axes...
Glad his passive is getting reworked.

And now to patiently wait for the Yi rework so that I don't get a fucking AP Yi ruining my aram games every 2 or 3 games...
GeeNX
1,081 posts
Joined June 2012
GeeNX


Why do I have to get always trolled on ranked? Damn
- O n i -
138 posts
Joined December 2012
- O n i -
cheerleader on hit grapes build
Iggy
172 posts
Joined August 2012
Iggy

Justykanna wrote:

Vulf wrote:

After harassing Morello constantly on both the LoL forums and Twitter about Warwick I finally got a response that he will be getting something eventually.
"Eventually", lol. Who knows when that'll be.
Soon™

Who is, mechanically, the hardest champion to play effectively
I don't know who's the hardest but some tough ones are Draven, Orianna, Cassio, Syndra.
Also one thing I want to note about support champions, a good Janna is a blessing to your team. A bad Janna and the match is 4v6.
Devalix_old
127 posts
Joined December 2012
Devalix_old
Pro tip: Don't play Shen if you're too stupid/blind to look at the minimap.

Shen in my game didn't ult once during laning phase because he had "a hard time in lane".
SiFly_old
0 posts
Joined April 2013
SiFly_old

Devalix wrote:

Pro tip: Don't play Shen if you're too stupid/blind to look at the minimap.

Shen in my game didn't ult once during laning phase because he had "a hard time in lane".
You can even just watch the health bars of your allies and press the F2-5 keys to watch them quickly if you see something happen ;s
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika

Igenatius wrote:

Also one thing I want to note about support champions, a good Janna is a blessing to your team. A bad Janna and the match is 4v6.
ATK SPEED JANNA
Macacito
430 posts
Joined July 2012
Macacito
i want a team im from west im pro player ever best and no hacks
Devalix_old
127 posts
Joined December 2012
Devalix_old
Throwin' bombs 'n stuff

Iggy
172 posts
Joined August 2012
Iggy
I think I'm going to buy Ziggs next, only ball throwing champion I don't have yet.

Syndra and Ahri are tons of fun to play.
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
ziggs is gifted on oceania rofl. free 6.3k IP (Ziggs looks like a boring champ to play though. In fact, 90% of the pool does)
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
idk, you never really know until you play them. i thought vi was going to be fucking boring when she came out and i didn't buy her until a week ago, but damn have i been missing out she's so fun to play

edit also i got my promotion series this morning


watch me lose the next 3
Icyteru
535 posts
Joined August 2011
Icyteru
But urgot is so fun, why is he one of the most unplayed champs.
Also, ADC sona is pretty strong actually.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
doublelift played him a few days ago at lcs, i cant remember who against

he's fuckin strong early but drops off really really hard

also gold v weee
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Because Urgot was overnerfed after the one time he saw tournament play.

He is still good in a solo lane imo, but he is terrible as an adc carry now.
Iggy
172 posts
Joined August 2012
Iggy

Vulf wrote:

Because Urgot was overnerfed after the one time he saw tournament play.

He is still good in a solo lane imo, but he is terrible as an adc carry now.
Eh?
Play him with an aggressive support and zone out fucking everyone.

Not even Draven can match his damage. Think of him as anti-AD carry.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
I think draven vs urgot is even and probably decided by the supports, especially considering draven doesn't need mana to harass while urgot has mana problems in early laning

plus, urgot is very reliant on hitting his E+Q to get his damage off, while draven just needs to press q and auto.
Glass
Glass
that's it

looking for an NA plat duo who plays AD, I main support and top. getting sick and tired of shitheads who say NOTHING in champ select and gives me that "I DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY ADC" shit once they get in game and play like absolute shit.

how the fuck do you get to plat and still not have a preferred role
Iggy
172 posts
Joined August 2012
Iggy

Kanye West wrote:

I think draven vs urgot is even and probably decided by the supports, especially considering draven doesn't need mana to harass while urgot has mana problems in early laning

plus, urgot is very reliant on hitting his E+Q to get his damage off, while draven just needs to press q and auto.
Yeah it's definitely up to the supports. Maybe Draven was a bad example, my point is that he can zone people out really easily if he can get E and max amount of Q once. That doesn't drain your mana too badly but it does drain their HP really badly.
Though Urgot is in a spot where you actually have to know how to play him to be succesful, a good urgot is still a nightmare for unwary ad carries.

Glass wrote:

how the fuck do you get to plat and still not have a preferred role
That's easy, say "taking anything needed" in champ select.

I guess they don't want to make a hassle in champ select by calling roles, but when they fail they blame it on whoever left them the role.
Bad way to do things, but not the worst.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

Igenatius wrote:

Eh?
Play him with an aggressive support and zone out fucking everyone.

Not even Draven can match his damage. Think of him as anti-AD carry.
Before he was nerfed he WAS an anti ADC. No ADC could win trades against him ever.

Glass wrote:

that's it

looking for an NA plat duo who plays AD, I main support and top. getting sick and tired of shitheads who say NOTHING in champ select and gives me that "I DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY ADC" shit once they get in game and play like absolute shit.

how the fuck do you get to plat and still not have a preferred role
Aren't you like plat 5? Everyone already knows that being at the bottom of a division is it's own hell because of the safety net this season.
Glass
Glass

Igenatius wrote:

Glass wrote:

how the fuck do you get to plat and still not have a preferred role
That's easy, say "taking anything needed" in champ select.

I guess they don't want to make a hassle in champ select by calling roles, but when they fail they blame it on whoever left them the role.
Bad way to do things, but not the worst.
The problem is people who say NOTHING in champ select. I'm shit at jungle and I let my team know before we start picking, I literally go into every champ select saying "pref top/spp, shit at jungle" so my team doesn't have suffer with a bad jungler like me. Even if you choose to fill the missing role every game, you'll most likely have one role that's weaker than the rest, and it's your responsibility to let your team know as soon as possible.

Vulf wrote:

Glass wrote:

that's it

looking for an NA plat duo who plays AD, I main support and top. getting sick and tired of shitheads who say NOTHING in champ select and gives me that "I DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY ADC" shit once they get in game and play like absolute shit.

how the fuck do you get to plat and still not have a preferred role
Aren't you like plat 5? Everyone already knows that being at the bottom of a division is it's own hell because of the safety net this season.
Yes I'm in plat5. We're supposed to get queued depending on our MMR, but once I got into plat 5 I've had nothing but SHIT TIER bot laners literally every time someone didn't call for the role, like bronze/silver level ADCs without any sense of how to play the damn game. I've tried to play ADC but it's the same story, the guy who gets forced into support plays like absolute shit and I get zoned to hell in lane.

This was my MMR when I was in promo for plat:


My MMR has dropped so fucking hard since then.
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