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osu! Beatmapping Contest #4

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Ekaru
Aside from Rooftop Run having too many loops I love these picks to death.

And BTW, people who map Rooftop Run will only be competing against other Rooftop Run maps.
Froslass

Loctav wrote:

Wow, you didnt even start mapping and you already complain. What a mess.
Wow, you barely read his complaint and is already saying unnecessary things that don't add to the thread. What a mess.

Well, now doing something actually useful:
I agree with TGOC's complaint on Sonic Generations. The song is a bit repetitive and really doesn't work for a contest (unless you're trying to see who makes a less boring map out of that song, which... imo, isn't a good idea).
I also seriously don't like that 3rd song as it has an EXTREMELY repetitive beat, forcing people to map to the vocals, thus excluding any variation you could get.
Charles445

TheGrimOfCrazy wrote:

In the editor the song was timed as "144.993" BPM. How lazy can you get. This song is created by a computer. It's 145 bpm but it seems like whoever retrieved this song was too lazy to get a correct encoded version.
Artists don't just put decimal bpm. Especially 3 places out.
Yeah but if you actually listen to it or play it you can tell that 145 BPM isn't proper. It's theoretical versus reality.
bmin11
There is a video version of Pink Nightmare, which the length is 4:15



This will not require any cuts and the fade out issue
Tear
I'll try my luck at Rooftop Run. I like the track and it isn't as repetitive as everyone's saying, just involves more creativity :D It's pretty much the "Marathon" category of this contest, as it's going to be hard to get 3 diffs done by the deadline.
Jarby

TheGrimOfCrazy wrote:

Artists don't just put decimal bpm. Especially 3 places out.
Disregarding the song itself (I haven't actually checked it), you're wrong about this at least. It isn't that uncommon for electronic music to use BPMs like 120.5, not to mention that any DAW worth its salt will have access to fine tempo adjustment to at least three decimal places to be used at the artist's discretion. It does happen and can't really be considered an error.

Also, anecdotes from randoms in #modhelp effectively saying "wow that's odd" doesn't prove that the timing is incorrect. Moreso, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would probably realize that it would also be incredibly unlikely for the tempo to be altered in this manner by an encoding error as you suggested.
awp
ztrot, you're using Rooftop Run (Classic) and it's not the Slam Jam version? Shoot, I already have 3.25 maps of that track done
tieff
I'd like to join, but these songs just... meh. Well, I'll be waiting for the next contest. Good luck to all mappers!
Ekaru

Jarby wrote:

TheGrimOfCrazy wrote:

Artists don't just put decimal bpm. Especially 3 places out.
Disregarding the song itself (I haven't actually checked it), you're wrong about this at least. It isn't that uncommon for electronic music to use BPMs like 120.5, not to mention that any DAW worth its salt will have access to fine tempo adjustment to at least three decimal places to be used at the artist's discretion. It does happen and can't really be considered an error.

Also, anecdotes from randoms in #modhelp effectively saying "wow that's odd" doesn't prove that the timing is incorrect. Moreso, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would probably realize that it would also be incredibly unlikely for the tempo to be altered in this manner by an encoding error as you suggested.
Didn't spot this when reading that post, but this is correct. IIRC even the Pokemon devs sometimes use some really... weird... timings.
ZekeyHache
OMG! I just fell in love with Pink Nightmares!

One part of me says "enter that contest and map Pink Nightmares" and the rest no... :l
bmin11

tieff wrote:

I'd like to join, but these songs just... meh. Well, I'll be waiting for the next contest. Good luck to all mappers!
[Luanny]

bmin11 wrote:

tieff wrote:

I'd like to join, but these songs just... meh. Well, I'll be waiting for the next contest. Good luck to all mappers!
Low
[insert something here along the lines of "a good mapper should have the ability to map any song blah blah"]
tieff
A good mapper should have the ability to map any song, but why should he map something he don't like and won't enjoy mapping?
Shiro
Then don't join ? I don't see the problem here. This is a free contest, which means anyone's free to enter - or not to enter. I have the feeling you're just here to complain about the songs. A bit more detailed feedback about what's wrong with these songs apart from personal taste would be welcome.
Froslass
It was just a comment about the songs. Why feel offended like that?
By the way, the songs need a bit more variation. Most of them are really repetitive and are just the same beat over and over.
Verlaren
I would like to try, but the army does not allow for a year, damn ....
Frostmourne

Blue Dragon wrote:

By the way, the songs need a bit more variation. Most of them are really repetitive and are just the same beat over and over.

Blue Dragon wrote:

unless you're trying to see who makes a less boring map out of that song
I have the latter feeling.
peppy
I have double-checked timing and while it is not what I would have used, is amply accurate (within 3ms throughout the song).
Hattori Heiji
can anyone make a Osu Detective Conan Skin ?
deadbeat
wrong thread Fendi22, plus i don't think many people take skin requests
Cristian

Frostmourne wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

By the way, the songs need a bit more variation. Most of them are really repetitive and are just the same beat over and over.

Blue Dragon wrote:

unless you're trying to see who makes a less boring map out of that song
I have the latter feeling.
Quoting the obviously.
Tear

Blue Dragon wrote:

It was just a comment about the songs. Why feel offended like that?
By the way, the songs need a bit more variation. Most of them are really repetitive and are just the same beat over and over.
Beat is not the only element of a song you can map.
Cristian
You can see and example for the 1st option.
Froslass

_tear wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

It was just a comment about the songs. Why feel offended like that?
By the way, the songs need a bit more variation. Most of them are really repetitive and are just the same beat over and over.
Beat is not the only element of a song you can map.
Yep, like in the third song, where everyone will map to the vocals because the beat is extremely repetitive. What's the point on that?
First option isn't really an example of "you can variate" because it's the same song looped 4 times.

But I'm not complaining anymore.
OEvil
Nice Contest, Definetly i will join
Tear
The first one is actually looped 2 times. Surely if it's possible to map crossing field 6 times, it should be no problem to map this just twice? :P
Hattori Heiji

deadbeat wrote:

wrong thread Fendi22, plus i don't think many people take skin requests

i want a detective conan skin ... i cannot make skin
Andrea

fendi22 wrote:

deadbeat wrote:

wrong thread Fendi22, plus i don't think many people take skin requests

i want a detective conan skin ... i cannot make skin
15

This is the forum about Skinning, please stop going off-topic here now.
_dog

bmin11 wrote:

There is a video version of Pink Nightmare, which the length is 4:15



This will not require any cuts and the fade out issue
Why couldn't they use this version? It's a bit longer but has the good parts of the song. Is cut better. It ends well.
DJKero
Hey guys, I've finished the Hard Diff of Pink Nightmares, but it feels really awkward...

I think would be cool if we could use the Original or the Video cut...

Pleaseee!! :?
-Myhra
well good luck for everyone who try to participate (iwant to enter but im a 10 yr old kid)
pkhg
Good luck to all <3
I think I should try this :D
HakuNoKaemi
On fuss fuzz, add a red timing point at 00:00:386 so people can use green inherited points in the start. (You can do it in all the diffs)
Awesomez53
I got a question. :?:
1.Can each song have more than 3 difficulties?
2.Does 3 difficulty must have osu standard mode and then the other difficulties can have different game modes?(Catch the Beat, Taiko or osu mania)

If each question is answered, THANK U!
HakuNoKaemi

Awesomez53 wrote:

I got a question. :?:
1.Can each song have more than 3 difficulties?
2.Does 3 difficulty must have osu standard mode and then the other difficulties can have different game modes?(Catch the Beat, Taiko or osu mania)

If each question is answered, THANK U!
1. You can Submit max 3 difficulties per song
2. Only osu! standard. ( Don't bother for the playability in the other modalities )
Loctav
Please be aware that you shall not name your difficulties different than "Easy/Normal/Hard/Insane" to keep the judgement unbiased and anonymous.
Also be aware that this contest has three brackets tho it has three 1st places.
There won't be a winner among all songs . All songs can be considered as separated in judgement and therefore in prizing.
Tear
This should probably go into OP, it's a pretty important thing
blissfulyoshi
Is there another name for super difficult insane diffs? Like for those with a EHX spread.
Froslass
We usually call it Extra/Expert because of the X
Andrea
It would be better to not map an Extra though, since there can be only 3 difficulties.

Highest difficulty is suggested to be Insane or Hard, but not Extra.
Charles445
There's a few widely used naming conventions
Easy Normal Hard Insane Extra
Beginner Normal Hyper Another Extra
Tear
Insane is sometimes Lunatic in touhou maps.
WingSilent
Extreme..?
[Catgirl]
Good luck:)
HakuNoKaemi

Andrea wrote:

It would be better to not map an Extra though, since there can be only 3 difficulties.

Highest difficulty is suggested to be Insane or Hard, but not Extra.
Actually, one of the most important thing is the spread:
Extra + something between Normal and Hard + Easy(EASY, though it's tough to map it in some of those songs XD), is a good spread for all abilities
Anoky_old
Rule #5 directly contradicts rule #1. Having a background is part of the ranking criteria.
69653863

Anoky wrote:

Rule #5 directly contradicts rule #1. Having a background is part of the ranking criteria.
Somehow I agree.
Mainly because I never able to map without background (imagine playing/mapping with solid, boring blue background) I can say backgrounds represent the visual for the song you played/mapped.
Andrea

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

Andrea wrote:

It would be better to not map an Extra though, since there can be only 3 difficulties.

Highest difficulty is suggested to be Insane or Hard, but not Extra.
Actually, one of the most important thing is the spread:
Extra + something between Normal and Hard + Easy(EASY, though it's tough to map it in some of those songs XD), is a good spread for all abilities
That spread would be terrible, you know that, right?

There's a big lack of difficulties that way, if you would do that.
Scorpiour
just wanna remind:

the difficulty of a map is NOT depend on mapping's willing.
Loctav

Scorpiour wrote:

just wanna remind:

the difficulty of a map is NOT depend on mapping's willing.
I don't understand that, sorry.
Kuro

Loctav wrote:

Scorpiour wrote:

just wanna remind:

the difficulty of a map is NOT depend on mapping's willing.
I don't understand that, sorry.
Seconded,
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing "mapper's will" is what was meant.
dato93
goodluck everyone.
Scorpiour

Loctav wrote:

Scorpiour wrote:

just wanna remind:

the difficulty of a map is NOT depend on mapping's willing.
I don't understand that, sorry.
sorry wrong typing

*mapper
Topic Starter
ztrot

Anoky wrote:

Rule #5 directly contradicts rule #1. Having a background is part of the ranking criteria.
and will be changed after the contest.
Raxia-
Good Luck Guys! :D
Nickelony
Good Luck for everyone! :D
uninvted
GOODLUCK GUYS!!!!! :3
Liiraye
Ugh I'm so late on this. I'll try my best anyhow!


NOOOO! no custom hitsounds? D: I had the perfect setup for pink nightmares...


Also, how about making a huge mapset for the participants after the contest? :) It would be quite a waste to let the maps go unnoticed or having to rank them separately.
GaryMumFkingOak
good luck guys ^^
Tear
That huge mapset idea is pretty great :D For the first 2 or 3 places in each song, or all maps judges find good enough for rank.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
i tried to submit and it says "You have not submitted all the required files" .-.

i submitted 3 diffs
S h i i i n
Good Luck For The Participants :D =w=
zlagmlrhks99
그래 개삘이다 해볼까 ?/
zlagmlrhks99
개삘인대 나도 해볼까 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
The-Gabe
Osu! > Those other online games.
S2K
Nice.
Im exiteced about the map's you will bring to us :)
agentdark1706
ok the submision is failing ..... i cant get my map submited.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ssgh82mx8lawb ... submit.jpg


there is a image showing it ......(in case u ask... those are the file sizes)
Loctav
Keep in mind that the submission deadline ends very soon, on the 22nd June 2013. Please don't forget to finish your maps submit your entries as soon as possible.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice

Loctav wrote:

Keep in mind that the submission deadline ends very soon, on the 22nd June 2013. Please don't forget to finish your maps submit your entries as soon as possible.
thanks for reminding! (?
Topic Starter
ztrot
the submission has been fixed sorry about that guys, I'm debating on extending the submission date by a week to deal with the fact some may not have noticed it has been repaired but to anyone that is still having issues submitting please contact me right away!

Edit: it will be extended.
peppy
why? it wasn't broken to the point that submissions were stopped. i already contacted all people who had broken submissions (all one of them) and they have re-uploaded.
Topic Starter
ztrot
I was under the impression some couldn't even submit at all.
peppy
no.
Kert
Extending would be cool, because some of us are having exam session right from the end of May till the end of June (the last exam is exactly on the 22th)
I never understood why such contests/owc are never held in some other time like july/march/october when there's nothing important happening (atleast here)
Just my 2cents
Liiraye

Kert wrote:

Extending would be cool, because some of us are having exam session right from the end of May till the end of June (the last exam is exactly on the 22th)
I never understood why such contests/owc are never held in some other time like july/march/october when there's nothing important happening (atleast here)
Just my 2cents

This

I'm out of the contest. Finished the insane but have no time for the rest...
Nwolf
why are you requesting an extension shortly before the deadline when you could've said something when the contest started .-.
grumd

Kert wrote:

Extending would be cool, because some of us are having exam session right from the end of May till the end of June (the last exam is exactly on the 22th)
I never understood why such contests/owc are never held in some other time like july/march/october when there's nothing important happening (atleast here)
Just my 2cents
Exactly. My exam session finishes at 29th, so working for the contest would result in loosing scholarship.
I didn't even try to finish anything because I knew I won't be able to participate.
Not like I'm asking for an extension, just saying that the dates were not the best choice.
fartownik
Just by looking at the amount of submissions I say the deadline should be extended. Only 13 sets for all 3 songs, with only 2 submissions for Rooftop Run.
HakuNoKaemi

ztrot wrote:

Submission Deadline: 2013, 22nd June, 24:00 GMT+0

.

2013, 20th June, 18:10 GMT+1 here, I know fuses and so, but that's a bit more than 1 day earlier O.O
peppy
I've fixed the deadline. Now set to 22nd at 00:00 UTC+0
Charles445
The submission count is awfully low... not sure if people are able to finish the sets in time. If the submissions are really low at the end, maybe consider extending the deadline?
There's a lot of people asking for one in the thread.
Low
i agree that extending the deadline would be a lot better
HakuNoKaemi
2-7-5
I feel sorry to the second runner up... from 2
D33d
I'd extend it by about a week or so. If people can't work within a specified time frame, then that brings their own ability and commitment into question. Of course, if there've only seen a bunch of subpar, rushed efforts, then that's more than enough of a reason to extend the deadline. I wouldn't want to see a half-hearted pile of dross winning the contest by proxy.
Tear

ztrot wrote:

Submission Deadline: 2013, 22nd June, 24:00 GMT+0
The deadline in the OP is still 24 hours later...
fartownik
The amount of submissions will probably raise right before the deadline, but still - I don't expect it to be any good frequency anyways. I wanted to map all the 3 songs but I simply had no time to map 3 full sets of forced songs in the given time, same as a lot of people present here. I think people should've been given time to at least try participating in all the categories, because making a good beatmap takes a lot of it.
Dangaard

jacob wrote:

i agree that extending the deadline would be a lot better
Mirage
I agree too ;w;
Ekaru
I propose moving it to at least Tuesday 0:00 GMT so we at least have the upcoming weekend. And yes, Tuesday, not Monday, to ensure that those of us in the Americas have the entire weekend (including the wee hours of the morning).
peppy
I'm only offering an extension if people reply stating they have started a map for this competition and plan on completing it given more time.
Sonnyc
Extension plz~~ Currently working on one, and an extra weekend will be nice.
Dangaard
I have started to map one of these songs. Considering that not even one diff is finished and that I'm also interested in mapping another song, an extension would be really great.
Kert
I've almost completed the hardest diff, but there's still a pretty difficult part to map left... Not to mention other 2 diffs. It's not very doable in this small amount of time left. And that's why moving the deadline is very important
Mirage
I need to map half mapset, didn't find the time nor motivation before
Kyshiro
We've had nearly a month to finish those maps, I kind of disagree on extending the time but meh.

Procrastination at it's best I guess
Andrea
Adding 1 more week so it's a full month won't hurt though, I think.
RLC
uh... from what I've seen/heard, a number of people have recently already submitted their entries under the impression that the deadline is very near. Given that revision to submissions is impossible, extension sounds quite unfair.
Kyshiro

RLC wrote:

uh... from what I've seen/heard, a number of people have recently already submitted their entries under the impression that the deadline is very near. Given that revision to submissions is impossible, extension sounds quite unfair.
This
Andrea
That's true actually, since those mappers could improve their maps and not rushing to submit them.
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