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Almost
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How do you maintain concentration when learning a song? Most of the fails I have occur because I'm playing while thinking about something else and I end up breaking on parts I have down and it screws me up when I'm up to a part I'm not 100% sure of. Ironically, I was thinking about writing this while I was playing a song with FL.

EDIT: Because people aren't reading the question... This post is about concentration not how to play FL. I already know how to learn the song with FL.
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Loves
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I don't know about other people but for my best FL songs (which last more than 3 minutes), I just play until a tricky part comes up (big jumps etc). I will then restart the song and when I know the tricky part is coming, I will know what to do. This usually takes about 30 full plays for me to memorize a 3 minute + map. I also adjust my gamma in screen display so the notes/approach is easier to see.

Hope that helps.

EDIT:

There are also other ways in beating FL such as writing down sections of notes on paper for example, you look at the timer next to your accuracy during break and you look at your piece of paper which could say "Jumps at 7 o'clock, Streams at 9 o'clock"... I know it sounds stupid but it works lol
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Almost
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Lily-Kun wrote:

I don't know about other people but for my best FL songs (which last more than 3 minutes), I just play until a tricky part comes up (big jumps etc). I will then restart the song and when I know the tricky part is coming, I will know what to do. This usually takes about 30 full plays for me to memorize a 3 minute + map. I also adjust my gamma in screen display so the notes/approach is easier to see.

Hope that helps.
I was asking how to maintain focus not how to play FL...
-GN
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-GN
There is nothing to it except grinding: if you have trouble getting through a specific parts, practice other sections of the song until you're sure you can do everything perfectly. This might require usage of a flashlight cursor in edit mode, splitting the song, what have you.

If you're literally unable to play a section consistently, though, then anything short of divine intervention is not going to work and you're better off playing another song.
Loves
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Loves

Almost wrote:

Lily-Kun wrote:

I don't know about other people but for my best FL songs (which last more than 3 minutes), I just play until a tricky part comes up (big jumps etc). I will then restart the song and when I know the tricky part is coming, I will know what to do. This usually takes about 30 full plays for me to memorize a 3 minute + map. I also adjust my gamma in screen display so the notes/approach is easier to see.

Hope that helps.
I was asking how to maintain focus not how to play FL...

Well then just drink some cold water and listen to the song carefully.
Almost
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Lily-Kun wrote:

Well then just drink some cold water and listen to the song carefully.
I've tried listening to song carefully but whenever I play through the parts I can play subconsciously, I end up thinking about something else and let my mind wander. But I always forget to come back to my senses and end up playing through the parts I don't know at all subconsciously as well (and 99% of the time end up breaking).
-GN
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Focus on the map itself harder, then. Think about what is playing and what is going to be next. If you go too far off you'll probably not be prepared for whatever the hard part of the map is, whether it is the ending or some jumps in the middle.
Loves
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Almost wrote:

Lily-Kun wrote:

Well then just drink some cold water and listen to the song carefully.
I've tried listening to song carefully but whenever I play through the parts I can play subconsciously, I end up thinking about something else and let my mind wander. But I always forget to come back to my senses and end up playing through the parts I don't know at all subconsciously as well (and 99% of the time end up breaking).
Are you playing really easy FL maps? How do you lose focus on a game which requires focus?
-GN
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-GN

Lily-Kun wrote:

Are you playing really easy FL maps? How do you lose focus on a game which requires focus?
It happens very often to FL players - after enough repetition, it just embeds itself into your muscle memory instead. This will most likely not be enough to FC the song, however. :P
Loves
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-GN wrote:

Lily-Kun wrote:

Are you playing really easy FL maps? How do you lose focus on a game which requires focus?
It happens very often to FL players - after enough repetition, it just embeds itself into your muscle memory instead. This will most likely not be enough to FC the song, however. :P
I guess, but it's not hard to focus either...at least for a few tries.
Almost
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Lily-Kun wrote:

Are you playing really easy FL maps? How do you lose focus on a game which requires focus?
Err... no, it's called knowing the parts well. To be honest, FL is like the only thing that requires 100% focus because you need pull from your memory where to go next. Non-FL can be pretty much be played without any conscious effort. Hell, most of my best plays were done without much concentration.
Almost
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-GN wrote:

It happens very often to FL players - after enough repetition, it just embeds itself into your muscle memory instead. This will most likely not be enough to FC the song, however. :P
It's enough to get the first 3/4 of a song at least. Just the last bit of the song isn't really as easy to get because you are not familiar with that area at all and may take a few attempts to get a second FC after your first (if you were aiming for higher accuracy or something).
-GN
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Almost wrote:

It's enough to get the first 3/4 of a song at least. Just the last bit of the song isn't really as easy to get because you are not familiar with that area at all and may take a few attempts to get a second FC after your first (if you were aiming for higher accuracy or something).
That's why you'd want to split the song - so you can practice individual parts until you know them all equally well. Grinding the whole map so you can learn the ending is extremely inefficient as far as FL playing goes, seen as you need to know the beginning before you can play the ending anyway.
Almost
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-GN wrote:

Almost wrote:

It's enough to get the first 3/4 of a song at least. Just the last bit of the song isn't really as easy to get because you are not familiar with that area at all and may take a few attempts to get a second FC after your first (if you were aiming for higher accuracy or something).
That's why you'd want to split the song - so you can practice individual parts until you know them all equally well. Grinding the whole map so you can learn the ending is extremely inefficient as far as FL playing goes, seen as you need to know the beginning before you can play the ending anyway.
I sort of disagree. From experience, I've noticed that I can't play the last part of song with FL unless I practice with that much dim. I don't memorize where every single individual circle is because I'd end up confusing myself so I end up only memorizing the hardest circles to hit without the dim and then grinding the parts that aren't as hard with it.
VoidnOwO
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Kanye West
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gamma op
MillhioreF
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Yup. If you want to practice just everything after a break, make a separate difficulty and delete everything but the part you want to practice. You then have two options:


1. Edit the map to put a silenced 1/32 repeat slider a few seconds before the map starts. This gives you a "natural" 200 combo flashlight, where it fades back to 0 combo if you break.

2. Use a special cursor that mimics 200 combo flashlight. This won't fade away if you break your combo, helping you memorize better, but it isn't 100% accurate since Flashlight doesn't follow your cursor 1:1 (and also I don't think there are any cursors out there that are exactly like the FL ingame)


Lots of good flashlight players use one of these tactics, and it really does help. I never would have been able to set these scores without practice difficulties.
CXu
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MillhioreF wrote:

Lots of good flashlight players use one of these tactics, and it really does help. I never would have been able to set these scores without practice difficulties.
Hi Millhi

/me runs.
Almost
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MillhioreF wrote:

Yup. If you want to practice just everything after a break, make a separate difficulty and delete everything but the part you want to practice. You then have two options:


1. Edit the map to put a silenced 1/32 repeat slider a few seconds before the map starts. This gives you a "natural" 200 combo flashlight, where it fades back to 0 combo if you break.

2. Use a special cursor that mimics 200 combo flashlight. This won't fade away if you break your combo, helping you memorize better, but it isn't 100% accurate since Flashlight doesn't follow your cursor 1:1 (and also I don't think there are any cursors out there that are exactly like the FL ingame)


Lots of good flashlight players use one of these tactics, and it really does help. I never would have been able to set these scores without practice difficulties.
I never though everyone would use such gimmicky ways to FC FL... I've done all my FL records without doing stuff like this as well. :o
silmarilen
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anything to make it take less trys
Almost
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Almost
I've just lost respect for FL players lol.
MillhioreF
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It's definitely possible without doing that, but it's soooo much faster than only being able to practice certain parts on a good run!
Winshley
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I actually did MillhioreF suggestion #2 before (only on couple of maps), but never on #1. :P

Most of time I always grind all the way, which explains the massive play count I have... :o
Almost
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Almost
I've played the map I'm trying to finish with flashlight so many times that putting my gamma to the highest makes me play worse. The ideas you suggested are fine but playing full legit has a much better feel to it when you actually finish the song.

Winshley wrote:

I actually did MillhioreF suggestion #2 before (only on couple of maps), but never on #1. :P
I just did #2, I SS'd the very last part first go, but I can't do it normally. :(
VoidnOwO
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silmarilen
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my 700+ combo FL HD score was done without any tricks (even without the gamma trick) but most of my more recent ones are done with gamma, never used any of the things mill said
Almost
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Almost

BRBP wrote:

Yeah... Good job on FL scores that don't even go past 300 combo.
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/146394&m=0 Yeah don't go past 300 combo... Just going to add in that I don't like playing anything over 3 minutes no mod so playing something over 3 minutes with FL would be torture for me.
VoidnOwO
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Just going to add in that

Almost wrote:

Because people aren't reading the question... This post is about concentration not how to play FL. I already know how to learn the song with FL.
Almost
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BRBP wrote:

Just going to add in that

Almost wrote:

Because people aren't reading the question... This post is about concentration not how to play FL. I already know how to learn the song with FL.
People don't seem to read the OP.
Winshley
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I'm still unsure whether watching the screen from higher angle (by tilting down the monitor) considered gamma tweak, because half of my plays use the trick.

I never fiddle around the graphic settings (you can't even do a thing if the laptop manufacturer disables those settings driver-wise, and I can't use original drivers because of conflict with hotkey software). Even if it's from desktop monitor, I only set it at comfortable level (for all-time regular PC usage, I mean).

For sure, I never used all the tricks on maps listed on my Best Performance list and Most Played list, with exception to Ai Otsuka - Cherish [Hard] where I practiced with the Flashlight cursor.
Icyteru
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Icyteru
If you're bored playing flashlight, then you shouldn't be playing it at all.
djjsixpack
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[AirCoN] wrote:

If you're bored playing flashlight, then you shouldn't be playing it at all.
Heh. Flashlight makes me rage, but at least it's never boring.

As for the OP, I just play the map over and over until I get it. That's pretty much it. I keep mental notes of hard parts and do my best to not confuse them in other parts of the map. Some maps take a while but that's pretty much the only way to do it. For me it's about how comfortable I am with the map that determines whether or not I break concentration, which is only fixed by playing the map more.
Almost
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Almost

[AirCoN] wrote:

If you're bored playing flashlight, then you shouldn't be playing it at all.
I'm not bored of playing FL in general, it's more the fact that I get bored of repeating the whole first half of the map so much that my hand moves without any conscious thought during those parts.

djjsixpack wrote:

Heh. Flashlight makes me rage, but at least it's never boring.

As for the OP, I just play the map over and over until I get it. That's pretty much it. I keep mental notes of hard parts and do my best to not confuse them in other parts of the map. Some maps take a while but that's pretty much the only way to do it. For me it's about how comfortable I am with the map that determines whether or not I break concentration, which is only fixed by playing the map more.
Makes me rage as well when I start getting random misses everywhere and spend less time actually making progress.
Almost
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Well it took 3 days with a lot of hours but... http://osu.ppy.sh/b/148082?m=0 :) thanks for everyone's advice.
Icyteru
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rofl 0 pp
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just stick sticky notes on your screen like macacito
Almost
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Babycake wrote:

just stick sticky notes on your screen like macacito
I did that once, it felt like I was cheating in a way.
-GN
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Almost wrote:

I did that once, it felt like I was cheating in a way.
Morals and Flashlight playing are mutually exclusive.
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