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The Mafia Restoration Project - GAME OVER (Town Win)

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Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Well throwing WIFOM may or may not be a good idea.

Basically WIFOM is a "If I do this then... But if I do this then..." situation

For example
Let's say... we have doctor.
The most likely players killed here are lyby, NH, and probably me.
So we ask the doctors to protect us.

Scum would go like "But doctor might protect this guy, then again they may not. What if we kill a person besides these 3? But what if it's just a tactic so doctors won't protect them and expect us to kill somebody else? What should we do?"

Something like that
Nyquill
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Nyquill

Tsukasa wrote:

Well throwing WIFOM may or may not be a good idea.

Tsukasa wrote:

may or may not be
icwudt
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
LOL wow nyq.

I totally didn't see that.

Made me laugh

Hi5 yo
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Nyquill wrote:

kanye prodding me EXACTLY 24 hours after I last posted... what a man.

Raging Bull: The problem is that asking for a cop scan in the first place was a huge nono, and is something scum would want to do, as forcing the cop onto who scum would know is innocent means one night where cop is wasted. In addition, cop will still have to reveal his identity to confirm BRBP, since we cannot be sure the cop actually exists.

It also doesn't help that you jumped on the BRBP wagon after one has been started.
I thought about that but thought the doctor could protect him without revealing their identity. And i did not vote for BRBP without thinking about it first.
those
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those

Raging Bull wrote:

I thought about that but thought the doctor could protect him without revealing their identity. And i did not vote for BRBP without thinking about it first.
But the doctor can't protect the same target every night, if there exists one.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Oh, I didn't know that. And a doctor will always exist if there is a cop.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Follow the cop strategy isn't really good when there are more than 1 scum IMO.

That or when it's LyLo/MyLo
those
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those
Mod: prod Seph
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
those I'm still waiting for an explaination from you or something
those
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those
What exactly do you want explained, Tsukasa?
dkun
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dkun
Seph has been replaced with Lincolm.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

those wrote:

What exactly do you want explained, Tsukasa?
1) Did you realize that NL was quite anti-town when you first did that?
2) Why lyby?
3) What do you think of fart for voting you?
4) Thoughts on being at L-2?
those
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those

Tsukasa wrote:

1) Did you realize that NL was quite anti-town when you first did that?
As anti-town it may be, NL votes are simply an \obligatory\ first vote kind of thing, and never stays that way for day 1. My NL vote will always be unvoted by night.

Tsukasa wrote:

2) Why lyby?
Cuz he voted me.

Tsukasa wrote:

3) What do you think of fart for voting you?
A vote with next to zero basis, probably a defensive vote.

Tsukasa wrote:

4) Thoughts on being at L-2?
Probably the same as what would you think if you were L-2.

Do these answers satisfy you? As much as I believe you are townie, I'd probably say at this stage a lot of us are equally suspicious. Mod: time left on D2? I want a more solid vote before day ends, otherwise I'm just gonna be taken out, probably not much benefit from that.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
So you admit the OMGUS?

Hmmm... Now I want to see what your reactions would be at L-1
those
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those
Just so I'm not confused, L-2 means "lynched on day 2", right?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
No no no.

It means Left-2

2 More votes and you're lynched
Kanye West
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Kanye West

those wrote:

Tsukasa wrote:

1) Did you realize that NL was quite anti-town when you first did that?
As anti-town it may be, NL votes are simply an \obligatory\ first vote kind of thing, and never stays that way for day 1. My NL vote will always be unvoted by night.
not necessarily, there was a huge bandwagon in that NL vote, it potentially could have passed and messed up the game. imo just don't start it D1 because it's always bad

Tsukasa wrote:

2) Why lyby?
Cuz he voted me.

Tsukasa wrote:

3) What do you think of fart for voting you?
A vote with next to zero basis, probably a defensive vote.
ok see how you're contradicting yourself here

you omgus voted lyby and then you're saying farto's vote has zero basis because he supposedly omgus voted you

so basically you said that your vote for lyby had zero basis
Kanye West
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Kanye West
i meant to say defensively, not omgus
those
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those

Kanye West wrote:

so basically you said that your vote for lyby had zero basis
OMGUS is zero basis
Kanye West
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Kanye West
well, voting without basis is bad and you shouldn't really do that unless it's RVS

also sync hasn't posted much at all

i expected him to be much, much more aggressive

this is kind of a red flag to me
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Well to be fair...

those never voted fart. So it's not much of an OMGUS.

though fart's vote is quite scummy and I want to push him for it.

But I'd like those on the hot seat first.

EVERYONE ELSE: Pushing those on L-1? Good or Bad?
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Tsukasa wrote:

Well to be fair...

those never voted fart. So it's not much of an OMGUS.

though fart's vote is quite scummy and I want to push him for it.

But I'd like those on the hot seat first.

EVERYONE ELSE: Pushing those on L-1? Good or Bad?
yeah i corrected myself

and no to pushing him to L-1. at least not yet.

I want to get lincolm's and sync's inputs on this and we're really only slightly over halfway through D2.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Hello there. Interesting 15 people mafia game.

Well, that was funny No-Lynch wagon.
Fartownik responded all vote on him that probably RVS. Probably Fartownik - Those are not mafia-mafia. Hika - Those also.
So... Kanye West FoS Nyquill and Fartownik, but not Raging Bull because pre-game chat? I bet that was a joke.

By the way, BRBP obviously policy lynching himself. If town win, we should thanks to him.
Question to Those, Lybydose, and Kanye West, any reason why not vote BRBP?
Question to Meatstik, why hammering?
I will tell the reason why I asked this later after 4 of you answer it.

Fartownik voted Lybydose for night result? Weird. This also.
Seems Lybydose, Those, and Fartownik are the whole point in here. Dunno, seems contrived, I should look from the other side.

JInxyjem is town
NoHitter is town
Tsukasa is town

Eh guys... You guys post fast today :|

Vote : Fartownik
Kanye West
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Kanye West
I didn't vote for BRBP because I thought he was a bad player and not mafia. What kind of actual mafia would give themselves up D1?
those
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those

Kanye West wrote:

I didn't vote for BRBP because I thought he was a bad player and not mafia. What kind of actual mafia would give themselves up D1?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

Kanye West wrote:

What kind of actual mafia would give themselves up D1?
CARNIVAL OF LUNACYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Hika
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Hika
so much posting....
dkun
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dkun
Just a friendly warning -- day ends in about 18 hours.
Meatstick_old
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Lincolm wrote:

Question to Meatstik, why hammering?
I bandwagoned, i didn't know what a hammer was until dkun reacted to me telling him my vote. I'm mostly just going with the flow, learning how mafia works.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Respond to what I want to respond.

Lybydose wrote:

@nohitter: we *could* do follow the cop, but since the doctor can't protect the same target every night, it wouldn't last very long
"Follow the cop" strategy basically cop claim, doc not. The doc will protect the cop every night. Worse scenario, doc being killed after the day this strategy implemented. If there is 2 cop or nurse, 1 cop claim, the others cop, doc, and nurse are not claim. Simple strategy, but effective. I don't like the worse scenario, but I like the strategy because this put mafias to WIFOM.

Kanye West wrote:

So D1, fartownik, Meatstick, Hika and Seph jumped the nolynch bandwagon with little/no explanation. Seph seems especially scummy because he voted nylo even after it was explained that it was a stupid idea to begin with. My vote's still on those for today though.
Fartownik and Meatstick maybe only sheeping. Hika and (fuck, my slot) Seph were sheeping without read. Seph was joking, you can see he said "LyLyLy". It still stupid...

@Mod : Vote Count please.

After Lybydose respond my question, I tell my further read.
Lybydose
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You can't do any of that. The doctor can't protect the same person twice in a row.

I didn't vote BRBP because he was obvious town.
those
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those

Lincolm wrote:

Probably Fartownik - Those are not mafia-mafia. Hika - Those also.
What do you mean by this, may I ask?
fartownik
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fartownik

those wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Probably Fartownik - Those are not mafia-mafia. Hika - Those also.
What do you mean by this, may I ask?
He means we are certainly not mafia together, and you and Hika are certainly not mafia together as well.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Guys. It's either those or fart

And those is the most likely

dkun wrote:

Just a friendly warning -- day ends in about 18 hours.
@Mod: Requesting extension for the replacement. Pretty please with cherry on top? :3
fartownik
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Tsukasa wrote:

Guys. It's either those or fart

And those is the most likely
Why this looks for me like a try to secure yourself in case those is not scum and I'm the one left, so people vote on me in the next day? I was the only one to say you might be suspicious, I have no clue why you would really say this knowing I'm a newbie in this game.
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Lincolm
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Lincolm
Well, I believe when someone do something huge scummy or anti-town as town, mafias like to watch the mislynch. I like Kanye West have same logic with me, but another question, Kanye West, Lybydose, and Those, why you did not defend BRBP if you thought he was town?

Meatstick is town. I don't think mafia like to hammer in BRBP's wagon, reason like above.

fartownik wrote:

He means we are certainly not mafia together, and you and Hika are certainly not mafia together as well.
Well, this is correct. Want me to post the reason? Because I like to tell it in certain situation.
fartownik
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fartownik
Goddamn it, that edit was just an comma adding. You can check in the logs.
fartownik
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Lincolm wrote:

Well, I believe when someone do something huge scummy or anti-town as town, mafias like to watch the mislynch. I like Kanye West have same logic with me, but another question, Kanye West, Lybydose, and Those, why you did not defend BRBP if you thought he was town?

Meatstick is town. I don't think mafia like to hammer in BRBP's wagon, reason like above.

fartownik wrote:

He means we are certainly not mafia together, and you and Hika are certainly not mafia together as well.
Well, this is correct. Want me to post the reason? Because I like to tell it in certain situation.
I voted those in the bandwagon.
fartownik
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Lincolm wrote:

Well, I believe when someone do something huge scummy or anti-town as town, mafias like to watch the mislynch. I like Kanye West have same logic with me, but another question, Kanye West, Lybydose, and Those, why you did not defend BRBP if you thought he was town?
Also this is quite good question. It's funny how Kanye and Lybydose didn't comment it at all, avoiding the discussion and not taking the sides.
Also yes please, explain your reason further on my side.

Sorry for tripleposting lol.
Lybydose
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Lybydose

Lincolm wrote:

Well, I believe when someone do something huge scummy or anti-town as town, mafias like to watch the mislynch. I like Kanye West have same logic with me, but another question, Kanye West, Lybydose, and Those, why you did not defend BRBP if you thought he was town?
It's not the town's job to actively defend people that are probably town (except possibly information roles), rather, they should be actively hunting people that are scum. Do you honestly believe that if I showed up and said "I don't think he's town" that everyone would just be all like "oh, well in that case I'll just unvote"? What would that even accomplish? With absolutely nothing to go on day 1, letting a bandwagon like that sit around is going to give more interesting information that just randomly voting, and I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to end the day so early.
those
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those

fartownik wrote:

Why this looks for me like a try to secure yourself in case those is not scum and I'm the one left, so people vote on me in the next day? I was the only one to say you might be suspicious, I have no clue why you would really say this knowing I'm a newbie in this game.
So you suspect Tsukasa to be mafia?
dkun
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dkun

Tsukasa wrote:

@Mod: Requesting extension for the replacement. Pretty please with cherry on top? :3
Sure, this sounds fair. As day is supposed to end now, let's extend it another 24h then.

Day ends 24H after this post, or a hammer. Play accordingly!
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa

fartownik wrote:

Tsukasa wrote:

Guys. It's either those or fart

And those is the most likely
Why this looks for me like a try to secure yourself in case those is not scum and I'm the one left, so people vote on me in the next day? I was the only one to say you might be suspicious, I have no clue why you would really say this knowing I'm a newbie in this game.
Pushing your top reads is not something that's rare.
We have a few hours in the deadline. We need a lynch.
I'd rather have a popularity lynch rather than a plurality lynch without everyone giving their opinions

SELF-META TIIIIIME
I tend to be this aggressive when I replace in
Kanye West
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imo if those flips town i think lybydose will be more suspicious than farto

and sync is still totally off-meta
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Just curious... Why lyby, kanye?
fartownik
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fartownik

those wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Why this looks for me like a try to secure yourself in case those is not scum and I'm the one left, so people vote on me in the next day? I was the only one to say you might be suspicious, I have no clue why you would really say this knowing I'm a newbie in this game.
So you suspect Tsukasa to be mafia?
Yes, a little bit. I suspect a lot of people but Tsukasa just gained some more of my attention.
Hika
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Hika
I was hoping for night. Darn.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Tsukasa wrote:

Just curious... Why lyby, kanye?
because he's pushing those+farto the hardest.

Hika wrote:

I was hoping for night. Darn.
why? because you're scum and want to kill another innocent townie at night? makes sense to me.
Hika
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Hika

Kanye West wrote:

why? because you're scum and want to kill another innocent townie at night? makes sense to me.
;)
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
What's wrong with pushing a likely buddy match-up?
fartownik
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fartownik

Tsukasa wrote:

What's wrong with pushing a likely buddy match-up?
The thing is it's not likely at all.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Tsukasa wrote:

What's wrong with pushing a likely buddy match-up?
Well, nothing if those flips scum.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
And why lyby over me?

I've been saying those - fart as well.

Why lyby in particular?
fartownik
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fartownik
Requesting prod for Sync. He only posted once in the entire game.
those
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those
I know for a fact there's a doctor in this game...only forced to say this now cuz I'm about to be lynched, so..

Unvote

fartownik is town. I can't vote him. But you've gotta save me :<
NoHitter
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We have to unvote those.
He's essentially claiming cop.
There's a chance he's lying, but I would rather not lynch a possible PR.

Unvote

@those: So you investigated fartownik last night?

Vote: Raging Bull
fartownik
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fartownik
Huh, that's interesting.
Before I do anything I gotta know if he really is a cop. If I simply unvote him right now people might rethink to the point where me and those are scumbuddies as if this was our 'tactic' to claim cop to get rid of the votes for him. Too young to die today. If this is true though those's gonna die tonight for sure anyways.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
If what those said is true he can check someone tonight and have a doctor protect him.
fartownik
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fartownik

Raging Bull wrote:

If what those said is true he can check someone tonight and have a doctor protect him.
Oh, right. But if it's not true then he will die because there's no scenario with a cop and no doctor.
With that said, I feel confident to take my vote out now.

Unvote
Vote: Lybydose
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Well the thing is that the doctor has to protect him and the doctor cannot protect him every night. So most likely he will die in the third night. So we have to see who is most scummy and get those to scan them.
Lincolm
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Lincolm

Lybydose wrote:

It's not the town's job to actively defend people that are probably town (except possibly information roles), rather, they should be actively hunting people that are scum. Do you honestly believe that if I showed up and said "I don't think he's town" that everyone would just be all like "oh, well in that case I'll just unvote"? What would that even accomplish? With absolutely nothing to go on day 1, letting a bandwagon like that sit around is going to give more interesting information that just randomly voting, and I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to end the day so early.
Scum also (fake) hunting scum which everyone who scum hunting isn't guaranteed as town . When you said logical read, it can happen someone will stop that and not lynching your read. In other side, you can take a look at the wagon why people still vote him (fuck my slot again). Discussion can be done by anything, not only by vote and wagon. It also town job to not waste lynch.

Kanye, can you answer this?

I still think Those need to answer this but... Whatever... Answer it if you want.

fartownik wrote:

Also this is quite good question. It's funny how Kanye and Lybydose didn't comment it at all, avoiding the discussion and not taking the sides.
Also yes please, explain your reason further on my side.
Errrr... Kanye and Lybydose already answered it?

It is because Those respond in here. If you were scum together, Those would post it in QT, not in thread.

Raging Bull wrote:

Well the thing is that the doctor has to protect him and the doctor cannot protect him every night. So most likely he will die in the third night. So we have to see who is most scummy and get those to scan them.
There is another scenario. I will not tell it because let to many WIFOMs to both alignment. By the way, post something else please. Read or whatever.

Unvote
Vote : Kanye West
Lincolm
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Lincolm
OK, if Lybydose, Hika, and Kanye West aren't coming until midnight my time (I send the prod by PM) (+7 GMT), I will vote Raging Bull. Just hoping that Those not get lynched because bigger wagon.

Sorry for dopost.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Probably might get fingers pointing at me but

I would probably choose between Lyby/tsukasa for those to scan. I know Lyby has the most experience probably in this entire game. He can easily persuade us new guys to vote for whoever he believes to be a threat to him. (Sheeping right? \:D/) And for Tsukasa, I feel like he is working with Lyby seeing as they were so persistent with those unlike other people who just voted for those.

There should be a couple of scenarios with one I think the most dangerous, so I'm not too sure also about those's claim if he thought it thoroughly.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Those:

Elaborate on how you "Can't vote fart"
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Lincolm wrote:

OK, if Lybydose, Hika, and Kanye West aren't coming until midnight my time (I send the prod by PM) (+7 GMT), I will vote Raging Bull. Just hoping that Those not get lynched because bigger wagon.

Sorry for dopost.

Also bold your vote 8-)
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Also.

There's quite a mafia WIFOM regarding me and lyby.

It's either:

1) One of us dies because we push them too much
2) They do not kill one of us and kill another, pushing out lynch the next day.

So yeah. Us not dying won't be too surprising

But can probably see NH die. If there's a doc you can protect NH maybe.

Yes scum. Die of WIFOM!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
And yes. I'm soft claiming. Don't flame me for that
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Bull: He's voting kanye. (which is quite a bad vote IMO)
Raging Bull
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No, in the quote, he votes me. Jesus my english is horrible.

Yes well I hope the mafia wouldn't think it that thorough. Hopefully a 2/3 of them would be new players.
fartownik
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fartownik

Tsukasa wrote:

Those:

Elaborate on how you "Can't vote fart"
If I'm town then why would he want to vote me.

I'd personally scan Tsukasa or Raging Bull. I've already voted Lyby so I'm less to that, but if he doesn't get lynched today he'd be the first choice from me.
fartownik
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fartownik

Raging Bull wrote:

No, in the quote, he votes me. Jesus my english is horrible.

Yes well I hope the mafia wouldn't think it that thorough. Hopefully a 2/3 of them would be new players.
Also he doesn't vote you YET. He will vote you if Lyby, Hika and Kanye don't login until his midnight time. He simply prefers those to survive instead of you (this sounds mean, but I didn't mean to lol).
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Jesus my reading is horrible

Also I am fine with FoS on me, but why?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Bull: I think he means that "he will vote for you". Or something. IDK. But He votes kanye

Fart: There's WIFOM there as well. Either he's cop who investigated you. Or He's scum not wanting to vote his buddy.
So basically If those is actually cop then both of you are town.
If one of you flips scum then it's VERY LIKELY that the other is scum as well
Raging Bull
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Well in the end it will go back to those being flipped town or scum I think.
fartownik
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Tsukasa wrote:

Bull: I think he means that "he will vote for you". Or something. IDK. But He votes kanye

Fart: There's WIFOM there as well. Either he's cop who investigated you. Or He's scum not wanting to vote his buddy.
So basically If those is actually cop then both of you are town.
If one of you flips scum then it's VERY LIKELY that the other is scum as well
Well, I doubt he flips scum. If he does then I will be totally mindfucked of how genius that action was since it'd basically give a win to mafia.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Give a win to mafia? Huh?
Kanye West
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@Lincolm: answer what?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I don't know how. Depending on what those does, we either get 2 scum or 1 scum. Unless I'm reading what you wrote wrong.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
It's either 2 scum, 1 scum, or no scum.

But IDK what fart said
fartownik
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fartownik

Tsukasa wrote:

Give a win to mafia? Huh?
As you said, people would think I'm scum if those is too. Even I would think that if I was one of them. But what if I wasn't? People would vote me anyways killing another townie. That'd give a huge advance to mafia, wouldn't it.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Well with 1 scum down and a handful of town left.

We're not in LyLo or MyLo so There's no real threat

And it decreases the suspect pool. It may be a disadvantage to lose some town but there's still an advantage.

The only bad thing is that the most townie people get NK'd by scum. But by NK we can pretty much guess who scum are
Raging Bull
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I understand now. I'm not good at reading, but the way you and those were playing made it seem like one is mafia and one is town more so than distancing each other to me. But yeah, I'm not good at reading, no one quote me on that :<


Also I finally have time to post yay.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Bull: If you think one of them is scum and one is town... Who do you think is scum? who's town?"
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Tsukasa wrote:

Well with 1 scum down and a handful of town left.

We're not in LyLo or MyLo so There's no real threat

And it decreases the suspect pool. It may be a disadvantage to lose some town but there's still an advantage.

The only bad thing is that the most townie people get NK'd by scum. But by NK we can pretty much guess who scum are
I thought of that too. I think as long as we are able to get 1 mafia for every 3 or less townie killed, we have the voting advantage. And we do haev the doctor advantage that there might be one night there will be no NK. (If those really is a cop)
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
If those REALLY is a cop.

Then more WIFOM for scum.

Oh... and

Unvote:
Vote: Fart

I'm giving those 1 more day to live. Considering he's actually a cop like everyone says he is.

And fart is my 2nd choice anyways.

OOORRRRR

Convince me to vote someone else
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Hmm I apologize, I should have re read what they wrote. But I think both are either town or mafia seeing as how those already connected with farto since he scanned him already. At least that's how I'm interpretting things.

If those is town, then farto would be too since those scanned farto already.

If those is scum, then farto might be scum if they were distancing each other.
fartownik
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fartownik

Lincolm wrote:

OK, if Lybydose, Hika, and Kanye West aren't coming until midnight my time (I send the prod by PM) (+7 GMT), I will vote Raging Bull. Just hoping that Those not get lynched because bigger wagon.

Sorry for dopost.
Also a question to Lincolm - why vote Raging Bull if you can vote Lybydose?
Kanye West
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Joined July 2011
Kanye West
Or those could just be making an easy convenient claim and they're both scum.

But seeing as there were no counterclaims, we shouldn't risk lynching a cop.

unvote

Also lincolm I'm still confused about what you're asking me.
Tsukasa
471 posts
Joined June 2011
Tsukasa
Well with the number of lurkers here... I'm not surprised that no one is counter claiming
fartownik
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fartownik
@kanye

Lincolm wrote:

another question, Kanye West, Lybydose, and Those, why you did not defend BRBP if you thought he was town?
@Tsukasa, your vote makes me even more suspicious about you. Why would you even pick me when the chance I'm town is VERY high?
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Tsukasa, I don't get it. You're voting for fartownik when you think those is the cop?
those basically said he investigated fartownik and got a town result, so if you think those is a cop, then farto isn't mafia.
Tsukasa
471 posts
Joined June 2011
Tsukasa
1) I still have a few doubts if those is cop
2) I HONESTLY don't have a good Idea where to put my vote.

We could always lynch a lurker in hopes that 1 of them is scum.

Then confirm tomorrow if those is actually a cop.

Ya guys up for a shot-in-the-dark gamble lynch?
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Tsukasa wrote:

Bull: He's voting kanye. (which is quite a bad vote IMO)
No it isn't.
Your vote in Fart is bad. Because you don't trust Those is cop, doesn't mean you should not trust his result also. Let's say Those is scum who claimed cop, do he will fake his result (point his partner as town) or honest about someone town (point town as town)? How do you know which one?

Raging Bull wrote:

No, in the quote, he votes me.
I said I will, but not now.

Tsukasa wrote:

Bull: I think he means that "he will vote for you". Or something. IDK. But He votes kanye

Fart: There's WIFOM there as well. Either he's cop who investigated you. Or He's scum not wanting to vote his buddy.
So basically If those is actually cop then both of you are town.
If one of you flips scum then it's VERY LIKELY that the other is scum as well
No need WIFOM. I don't want to tell the scenarios, so scums do not give town WIFOM also. I think NoHitter smart enough to realize this.

fartownik wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

OK, if Lybydose, Hika, and Kanye West aren't coming until midnight my time (I send the prod by PM) (+7 GMT), I will vote Raging Bull. Just hoping that Those not get lynched because bigger wagon.

Sorry for dopost.
Also a question to Lincolm - why vote Raging Bull if you can vote Lybydose?
Sorry, can't answer it until Kanye answer my question. If he knows the reason, he can make up his reason. Same reason to my first question why I did that.

Tsukasa wrote:

Ya guys up for a shot-in-the-dark gamble lynch?
Those and Fart's lynch is dumbest idea in this day. Those claimed cop, so no. Fart is his result, so no also.

I really want to sleep now. :?
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Lincolm wrote:

No need WIFOM. I don't want to tell the scenarios, so scums do not give town WIFOM also. I think NoHitter smart enough to realize this.
Okay, this is stupid. Sorry. No WIFOM at all. If Those is cop, scum will kill him. No matter at N3 or N4. (maybe doc do not protect him at N2 and scum killed someone different, who knows? but safe play better)

Other side, if Those do not get killed, we have free cop around, or Those is scum, I believed the first because free cop is dangerous for scum, so scum will kill cop-Those. If Those do not get killed, Those is scum.

About why I dopost, I thought scums will make us WIFOM with not kill cop-Those, but it is stupid idea.
Tsukasa
471 posts
Joined June 2011
Tsukasa
Oh I almost forgot

If fart flips town. Then those may be confirmed as cop.

P-edit: And we don't have any way to confirm those's claim. So this is probably a good lynch.
Lybydose
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Lybydose

Tsukasa wrote:

Oh I almost forgot

If fart flips town. Then those may be confirmed as cop.

P-edit: And we don't have any way to confirm those's claim. So this is probably a good lynch.
Not necessarily. All the mafia know who the town are, so they can fake claim cop all day and just point out town to look "legitimate".

Claiming to know that there's a doctor is also a very "safe" claim because even if there isn't one (in the case of the first setup), no one can disprove it. Even if there is, it causes the real cop to either claim (giving an easy NK target), or stay quiet, resulting in no counterclaim.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Someone in Those wagon should unvote. Lyby, you should unvote arrrgggg....

Sorry, I'm sleepy.

Vote : Raging Bull

Sorry, Raging Bull.
Meatstick_old
Meatstick_old
Mod: vote recount request

i'm so confused
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Tell us what are you confused.
fartownik
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Joined December 2008
fartownik
I guess he's confused of who's voted for who. dkun hasn't really posted for some time already.

@Lincolm, about your doubts... I guess I know what you mean by saying it'd cause a lot of WIFOMs (if I'm thinking correctly).
Kanye West
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Joined July 2011
Kanye West
Lincolm, I didn't see your question before, but I'll answer it now.

There are a few reasons why I didn't defend BRBP:

1. I had no proof that he wasn't mafia besides just gut feeling.
2. Even if I had given a (bad) argument to defending him, it probably would have turned into a "zomg BRBP + kanye scum team" discussion because it truly is insane to defend a claimed mafia without some solid proof to go off of.
3. In my mind, an anti-town townie is almost as bad as scum. Sure, it would have been nice to lynch scum D1, but why risk lynching a possible aux rather than getting rid of a possible mafia/vanilla townie that obviously isn't going to help us?
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