Elly-chan wrote:

i love this song

MystykAMV wrote:

Hi! So here's the mod4mod finally, I finished >.< Sorry for being so late with it X_X

Normal:
Check AiMod because it says there are some unsnapped objects. Fixed.
OD+1? Hmpf... m'kay.
from 00:07:121 (1) to 00:39:535 (1) - very small thing but it would be a bit nicer if the objects didn't reach >< so if you left a little bit more distance (a few grids) - for example this one - http://puu.sh/29brj and this one - http://puu.sh/29bqY etc. it's not so appealing like this imo >< I don't think this is really that bad, nevertheless tried to fix some of them.
00:47:811 (1,2) and 00:53:329 (1,2) - I don't really like that pattern, they are both curvy but they are too different, maybe if the second slider would be flipped vertically it would look nicer (but flow would break a bit) so maybe you could try something like this? - http://puu.sh/29byV Fine.
01:01:259 (2,1) - why is that jump? you could try other placement you could just place 01:00:915 (1,1) - closer, so the first (1) to the right a bit and the second (1) to the left a bit, and pattern would stay the same Okay.
01:33:673 (3) - it feels weird to click this circle, it's a bit too sudden in my opinion, beacuse before you used to put long slider and the circles followed an easier rythm, I know it fits the lyrics, but it still plays weird to me (and the following ones too which are similar to this) Problem is I can't figure out what else to do.
01:38:501 (2) - you can make this a better blanket - http://puu.sh/29bH6 Isn't it perfect already?
01:39:708 (3) - this plays very weird so I would suggest this - http://puu.sh/29bIq - so basically remove 01:40:397 (1,2) - put 01:39:708 (3) - on the white tick (a bit later) and add a repeat, it would still fit the music and wouldn't feel weird I am doing this without wanting to.
01:39:708 (3) - well even if you don't do the above, at least remove the claps from this slider, I think they don't fit, there is no special sound there (like beats) so not really necessary to put claps
01:44:707 (3) - same as mentioned before 01:33:673 (3) ^
01:55:397 (2,2) - mentioned before too 00:47:811 (1,2) ^
01:57:122 (2) - maybe you could place this to some other place? stacking is a bit boring, so it might be more fun to play if you changed just example - http://puu.sh/29bMX I'll take the example!
03:20:915 (1) - I think this slider is too short moreover the slider afterwards comes too quickly (and this is only a normal diff, i know it doesn't have to be like very easy but still...) so either remove the spinner or make it longer? (for example remove 03:23:328 (2) - and put (1) one white tick later....etc. up to you) But it looks right to me :c
03:32:294 (3) - remove hit circle? and 03:32:639 (4) - put this at the place where (3) was (on the timeline) and add a repeat, it would fit better to the music imo and like this you could avoid stacking
03:39:191 (2) - I think you missed a clap from the beginning of the slider It was intention, but I like this even more with clap.

Escalation:
I personally don't think tick rate 2 fits this difficulty, the long sliders sound good with tick rate 1, because many times they tick when he sings something, also with tick rate one 00:22:983 (1) - the ticks would fit well to the melody on this slider << M'kay.
Plz lower AR, I think it's too fast and doesn't really fit << it feels forced to me Duh.... I really wanted to keep this off but fine...
00:43:673 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this plays weird in my opinion, especially the first 4 hit circles, I think unstacking them would solve the problem, put a distance between them Okay
00:57:121 (3) - make this a bit more curvy so that it is a better blanket Fine.
00:57:466 (4) - it's a bit annoying that this doesn't fit to the beat properly << it fits the melody, but the beat is louder so I think you should hit it somehow
plz try this - http://puu.sh/29cDd - it fits so well in my opinion and like this it doesn't feel uncomfortable to click the hit circles (01:00:397 (5,6) - ) I tried somehow else
01:40:397 (1,2,3) - these feel unnecessary for me, I don't hear anything that would mean stream, and I feel uncomfortable hitting them, I would delete 01:40:483 (2) - the others are fine Okay.
01:49:018 - add hit circle, it fits the lyrics and it's empty without it >.< Fine.
02:04:880 (4) - I don't really like this placed here, put it somehere else? (and it kinda breaks flow imo) I seriously don't know where.
02:22:639 (3) - ctrl+G in this slider? again because of flow, when I played it before this was one of the things I thought should be changed >.< ...fine
02:39:535 (5) - try to place this a bit to the right? so that the small stream is straight and doesn't look messy It didn't look messy to me but whatever...
02:42:811 (2,3) - I think this doesn't fit so well to the beat, since the blue tick is not really a beat, so I think properly it should be like this - http://puu.sh/29HTP Okay
02:54:708 (1,2,3) - 02:55:225 (5,6,7) - 02:55:742 (9,10,11) - these streams feel unnecessary and forced, or maybe don't stack them? so it would feel better to click them Okii
02:56:776 (1,2) - put these a bit further from the center, because it's not really appealing that they reach (3) >.< Fine
03:14:190 (2,3) - honestly, it feels weird to click on these >.< I think you should put (3) on the red tick, so here 03:14:535 - i think it woudl fit better to the melody(?) it's like türü-türü-tü türü-türü-tü...lol yeah hard to explain haha, you're right
03:16:777 (1,2,3,4) - don't make them reach each other Sure.
03:20:915 (1,1) - delete 03:22:294 (1) - and lengthen the spinner? it would fit better imo, and the spinner ends on a weird spot since there is not sound there (yet you even added a hitsound) Fine
03:24:018 (1,2) - place further from the center Right.
03:51:432 (5,6) - stack them properly M'kay


Sorry if my mod is not really useful, it's a nice beatmap. Good Luck! Thanks!

HeatKai wrote:

02:53:328 (1,2,1) - this part,rather then like this <- fixed
03:24:363 (3) - make a better blanket! don't be lazy reiji =w= <- fixed

MystykAMV wrote:

00:25:052 (4,1) - maybe try this instead? - http://puu.sh/29IkF - it feels more fitting to the music <- fixed
01:29:190 (1) - I think this slider should start earlier, or at least add a hit circle? because he starts singing on the red tick and not on the white one << <- fixed
03:07:639 - add hit circle because of the lyircs <- fixed

1. 00:03:673 (1,2,3) - 00:07:121 (1,2) - try to don't stack objecks in a easy diff i don't wanna mention all the stacked objecks but is recomended to unstalk they first because it will be more simple to play for beginners and second because i don't see a reason to stack they since it's not necessary
2. 00:23:156 - this line is useless
3. 00:24:363 - same about this inherited point is useless
4. i ask me which spacing do you wanna use 1.0 or 1.10 decide you and work on you spacing again.

1. 00:00:915 (1,2,3) - this pattern have inconsistent spacing
2. 00:11:949 (1,2,3,4,5) - this square have inconsistent spacing is lower as you used always
3. 00:25:052 (2) - spacing
4. 00:30:570 (1,2) - spacing
5. 00:42:294 (3,4,1,2) - fix it pls
6. 00:51:604 (3,1) - spacing
7. 00:54:708 (3,1,2,3) - spacing
8. 01:02:121 (2,3,1,2) - spacing
9. 01:18:156 (1,2,3) - spacing
10. 01:34:363 (4) - keep spacing consistent

1. 00:49:190 (3) - why don't you add a reverse slider here too it will sound much better and same about this slider : 00:54:708 (3) - and 01:00:225 (3) - like you did in the next kiai
2. 02:39:535 (2,3,4) - this can be very confuse someone try to change it in a other way

1. 00:06:432 (3) - what do you think about a clap here?
2. 00:11:949 - clap? even if here and ^ will fit a clap or a finish
3. 03:14:104 - why this big jump from 50 to 20% ? i think it will sound nicer with 30%

1. 03:20:915 - are here really neded all this lines? try to do 5-10-15-20-25-30-35-40-45-50 and not numbers like 43-46-47-48 - this is considered for me lines spamm

1. 00:01:604 (2,3,4,5,6) - keep spacing consistent with the rest
2. 00:13:673 (2,3,4) - spacing
3. 00:44:363 (4,1) - o3o spacing
4. 00:50:225 (3,1) - to near to the next circle
5. 00:55:742 (3,1) - same ^
6. 01:30:570 (4,1) - spacing
7. 01:41:604 (3,1) - spacing
8. 01:51:604 (1) - move to x: 310 y : 141 so you'll have a better spacing :V
9. 01:56:432 (3,1) - spacing

1. 00:26:432 (4,5,6) - why don't you try a pattern like thi? it will be sinmplier to read
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 00:52:294 (4,1) - why don't you try a blanket here?
3. 00:56:777 (3) - thi slider can be a better blanket for 00:56:432 (2) - and 00:58:156 (5) -
4. 00:58:156 (5) - this slider is not simmetric o3o i did it better here is the code:
   

   368,260,58156,2,0,B|336:295|268:283|256:191|256:191|244:283|176:295|144:260,1,337.500012874604,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

5. 01:03:673 (5) - copy paste the slider that i did here
6. 01:28:501 (4,1) - this can be a better blanket
7. 01:38:501 (2) - one grind up the second white point
8. 01:57:466 (3,4,1) - can be a better blanket

1. you need a breake in this diff
2. 01:41:087 - spacing

1. 00:32:294 (3) - this slider touch HP drain
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 01:07:121 (1) - 01:12:639 (1) - ecc - try to make these slider better :c
3. 01:58:328 (7) - new combo
4. 02:40:225 (8) - new combo

Lally wrote:

ohai from Andrea's and Lally's Mod4Mod Queue ♥

[General]
uhm actualy i think you should map a hard because Escalation diff is a insane diff and RAIN dif too :/ orz... fine

[Normal]
General:

1. 03:20:915 - are here really neded all this lines? try to do 5-10-15-20-25-30-35-40-45-50 and not numbers like 43-46-47-48 - this is considered for me lines spamm

didn't know if I did that intentionally, whatever, k

Spacing:

1. 00:01:604 (2,3,4,5,6) - keep spacing consistent with the rest Spacing *is* consistent
2. 00:13:673 (2,3,4) - spacing consistent
3. 00:44:363 (4,1) - o3o spacing I hope this will do
4. 00:50:225 (3,1) - to near to the next circle
5. 00:55:742 (3,1) - same ^
6. 01:30:570 (4,1) - spacing
7. 01:41:604 (3,1) - spacing
8. 01:51:604 (1) - move to x: 310 y : 141 so you'll have a better spacing :V
9. 01:56:432 (3,1) - spacing

done

Placement:

1. 00:26:432 (4,5,6) - why don't you try a pattern like thi? it will be sinmplier to read Because (6) is a blanket and stacking would ruin it
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 00:52:294 (4,1) - why don't you try a blanket here? slightly changed
3. 00:56:777 (3) - thi slider can be a better blanket for 00:56:432 (2) - and 00:58:156 (5) I think I'll leave this for now
4. 00:58:156 (5) - this slider is not simmetric o3o i did it better here is the code:
   

   368,260,58156,2,0,B|336:295|268:283|256:191|256:191|244:283|176:295|144:260,1,337.500012874604,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

5. 01:03:673 (5) - copy paste the slider that i did here made the slider symmetric myself, thanks for pointing out though
6. 01:28:501 (4,1) - this can be a better blanket I actually didn't want this to be a blanket
7. 01:38:501 (2) - one grind up the second white point fine
8. 01:57:466 (3,4,1) - can be a better blanket I think I fixed this before

[Escalation]

1. you need a breake in this diff okay
2. 01:41:087 - spacing

okay

wah \o3o/ good luck

1. Using AudioLeadIn 1000 would be much better, imo
2. Try Slider Tick Rate 2, sounds much better.

1. First of all, I really don't like that increasing difficulity.I don't understand it. It looks weird and doesn't make any sense. It's not even funny, it's just weird, imo. Sorry.
2. Try to use AR9 because your Extreme part feels unreadable and weird with lower ARs. Btw, don't forget to increase OD by one tick as well to keep diff settings balanced.
3. If you still want to keep this (pointless, in my opinion) escalation, why didn't you start with [Easy]?
4. 00:03:328 - vocals start here, it TOTALLY feels off the slider (00:02:294 (5)) and flows really weird. I have re-arranged this pattern for you, see if you will like it. pattern
5. 00:14:363 - same as above, slider feels totally off vocals. Vocals here are TOO loud, you can't just ignore them! re-arranged pattern
6. 00:16:087 (3,4,5,1) - this pattern feels awkward and doesn't fits with [Normal] diff good enough. Personally, i want you to place more sliders here.
   If you remove 00:17:121 (4,5) - and add repeat aa (3) it would be great! what's more, use circles instead of 00:17:811 (1) - because this slider feels weird here! pattern
7. 00:39:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This pattern is not even close to [Normal] diff. It feels weird and ruins the balance here. :< Atijumps with growing distance are not acceptable for [Normal] diffs, for sure!
8. 00:43:673 (1,2,3,4,5) - you have a calm [Hard] part, and this 1/2 "stream" looks here too hard. It feels wrong here, because normally you don't use this kind of things.
9. 00:45:052 (1,2,3,4,1) - x1.1 > x1.2 > x1.0 / What's the meaning og those weird spacing changes? I feel like you wanted to copy "that cool flow style" and obviously failed here. It feels pointless, inconsistent and random, sorry.
10. 00:46:949 (2,3) - What is it? Distance is the way TOO big for manual stack and the way too small for regular pattern. This part doesn't feel antijumpy, and this spacing change looks like random and weird to me.
11. 00:49:880 (1,2,3) - every single parttern at this part is EASY to read, but (3) here is overlapped with hitburst. It makes this pattern kinda too hard. It feel more like [Insane], so it doesn't plays good enough here.
12. 00:51:087 (2) - nazi - how do you want us to enjoy your diff if we have to guess where to start slider? Slider start is OVERLAPPED and it looks messy.When I see messy patterns, I think that mapper doesn't care about his map and I feel kinda disrespected. It makes people very sad. So, try not to use messy//overlapped patterns.
    Note: Why don't you spend some time and clean your map up by yourself? I'm pretty sure you can do it!
13. 00:49:708 - 00:50:397 - these beats are ignored to keep this part [Hard] but it feels empty and confuses me a lot. I don't know why, but I feel like you shouldn't ignore those beats. can you follow music closer and keep ppatterns easy enough?
14. 01:04:363 (1) - suddenly x2.0 jump. As I said, your [Hard] feels calm, and those jumps are UNEXPECTED. They will be too much stress here, try to reduce jump distance.
15. 01:54:966 - there's no ANY beat, so ending slider here doesn't make ANY sense. Please stop placing offbeat 3/4 patterns because you think "it's cool here" and try to follow music instead.
16. 02:11:949 (1) - this is unrankable! reverse-arrow of this slider will be overlapped by 02:11:259 (3)'s hitburst if you miss at (3). COvered reverse-arrow = unrankable, y'know.
17. 02:11:259 (3) - stop ignoring LOUD beats! it doesn't make any sense and confuses players a lot! It is unplayable, any time I hear LOUD beat during dlider I want to hurt someone. What is the point of ignoring LOUD beat at 02:11:259 (3)?
18. 02:27:294 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - it sounds EXACTLY the same way as previous jumpy-patterns, but there're no ANY jumps. Why? I guess you have never heard of consistency. Try to keep your jump consistent, so we will read/understand them MUCH, MUCH better!
19. 02:34:363 (5) - nazi - try to place a New Combo here, to warn us about stream It appears too suddenly, imo!
20. 02:41:949 (6,7) - nazi - can you unstack these circles cause it'll be too hard to click at (6) for some players. After stream stack is too unexpected for players.
21. 02:45:570 (2,3) - you've crossed the line. Those whistles feel TOTALLY off music and disappointed me a lot. I was like why there're whistles? WHY?
22. 02:53:156 (4) - this reverse-arrow might be hard to read due to POSSIBLE overlap. Check it out nd make sure it's readable!
23. 03:01:949 (1,2,3) - why did you ruined this break to place THREE OBJECTS with RANDOM jump? It ruins the flow here and feels unexpected. :<
24. 03:08:846 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2) - even when I increase volume, I can't hear ANY hitsounds. It is weird, because every object must be hearable for playes (unless it's a spinner with fading sound)
25. 03:14:363 - 03:14:880 - 03:15:225 - 03:15:915 - did you just cut out some circles to keep rhythm easier? I feel like you've deleted random circles and it feels weird cause some important beats are missed.
    Later, you go on with even more pointless/random/inconsistent jumps. What makes things even worser, is that you have a slow AR. AR8 gfeels TOO slow for final part and too fast for start part. You've ruined your diff with too much "creativity", I think.
    
    I'd recommend you to think if you really need this diff and if you still want to keep it, try to clean up! Fix some messy overlaps, some weird patterns and try to improve your flow.

-Bakari- wrote:

Yo. from your M4M with TicClick

Tickie-nyan, I've done it for you! :3

[General]

1. Using AudioLeadIn 1000 would be much better, imo
2. Try Slider Tick Rate 2, sounds much better. Contradiction with MystykAMV's mod happening now.

[Escalation]
Note: I will check only this diff, as requested.

1. First of all, I really don't like that increasing difficulity.I don't understand it. It looks weird and doesn't make any sense. It's not even funny, it's just weird, imo. Sorry.
2. Try to use AR9 because your Extreme part feels unreadable and weird with lower ARs. Btw, don't forget to increase OD by one tick as well to keep diff settings balanced. ^
3. If you still want to keep this (pointless, in my opinion) escalation, why didn't you start with [Easy]? ok, that sounded offensive now... well, I didn't because I didn't feel like it
4. 00:03:328 - vocals start here, it TOTALLY feels off the slider (00:02:294 (5)) and flows really weird. I have re-arranged this pattern for you, see if you will like it. pattern ...'kay
5. 00:14:363 - same as above, slider feels totally off vocals. Vocals here are TOO loud, you can't just ignore them! re-arranged pattern I don't see any problem with this, noone has ever complained about this, so I will not change this
6. 00:16:087 (3,4,5,1) - this pattern feels awkward and doesn't fits with [Normal] diff good enough. Personally, i want you to place more sliders here. Would destroy the flow then
   If you remove 00:17:121 (4,5) - and add repeat aa (3) it would be great! what's more, use circles instead of 00:17:811 (1) - because this slider feels weird here! pattern How would you have handled the placement of that slider then?
7. 00:39:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This pattern is not even close to [Normal] diff. It feels weird and ruins the balance here. :< Atijumps with growing distance are not acceptable for [Normal] diffs, for sure! It is just that little part... the diff is becoming harder, besides.
8. 00:43:673 (1,2,3,4,5) - you have a calm [Hard] part, and this 1/2 "stream" looks here too hard. It feels wrong here, because normally you don't use this kind of things. Fine...
9. 00:45:052 (1,2,3,4,1) - x1.1 > x1.2 > x1.0 / What's the meaning og those weird spacing changes? I feel like you wanted to copy "that cool flow style" and obviously failed here. It feels pointless, inconsistent and random, sorry. I guess you should rethink what you just suggested. And that sounded offensive, too.
10. 00:46:949 (2,3) - What is it? Distance is the way TOO big for manual stack and the way too small for regular pattern. This part doesn't feel antijumpy, and this spacing change looks like random and weird to me. Haha, ain't life funny: if I stack it normally, a jump would occur and if I spaced it properly it would overlap at least one other hit object.
11. 00:49:880 (1,2,3) - every single parttern at this part is EASY to read, but (3) here is overlapped with hitburst. It makes this pattern kinda too hard. It feel more like [Insane], so it doesn't plays good enough here. works for me
12. 00:51:087 (2) - nazi - how do you want us to enjoy your diff if we have to guess where to start slider? Slider start is OVERLAPPED and it looks messy.When I see messy patterns, I think that mapper doesn't care about his map and I feel kinda disrespected. It makes people very sad. So, try not to use messy//overlapped patterns.
    Note: Why don't you spend some time and clean your map up by yourself? I'm pretty sure you can do it! Y U so rude ;v;
13. 00:49:708 - 00:50:397 - these beats are ignored to keep this part [Hard] but it feels empty and confuses me a lot. I don't know why, but I feel like you shouldn't ignore those beats. can you follow music closer and keep ppatterns easy enough? NO.
14. 01:04:363 (1) - suddenly x2.0 jump. As I said, your [Hard] feels calm, and those jumps are UNEXPECTED. They will be too much stress here, try to reduce jump distance. I SERIOUSLY DON'T WANNA and besides: another contradiction with neonat's mod.
15. 01:54:966 - there's no ANY beat, so ending slider here doesn't make ANY sense. Please stop placing offbeat 3/4 patterns because you think "it's cool here" and try to follow music instead. omg, you should read what you are writing.... besides, it was their idea
16. 02:11:949 (1) - this is unrankable! reverse-arrow of this slider will be overlapped by 02:11:259 (3)'s hitburst if you miss at (3). COvered reverse-arrow = unrankable, y'know. this does not overlap, next time, use default skin
17. 02:11:259 (3) - stop ignoring LOUD beats! it doesn't make any sense and confuses players a lot! It is unplayable, any time I hear LOUD beat during dlider I want to hurt someone. What is the point of ignoring LOUD beat at 02:11:259 (3)? Sir, what loud beat did you actually hear here??
18. 02:27:294 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - it sounds EXACTLY the same way as previous jumpy-patterns, but there're no ANY jumps. Why? I guess you have never heard of consistency. Try to keep your jump consistent, so we will read/understand them MUCH, MUCH better! I guess you have never heard of intention.
19. 02:34:363 (5) - nazi - try to place a New Combo here, to warn us about stream It appears too suddenly, imo! fine
20. 02:41:949 (6,7) - nazi - can you unstack these circles cause it'll be too hard to click at (6) for some players. After stream stack is too unexpected for players. Naah'I don't really think it is that bad.
21. 02:45:570 (2,3) - you've crossed the line. Those whistles feel TOTALLY off music and disappointed me a lot. I was like why there're whistles? WHY? I am opposing now. You know why? Because if THIS crossed the line, someone would have suggested to fix it!
22. 02:53:156 (4) - this reverse-arrow might be hard to read due to POSSIBLE overlap. Check it out nd make sure it's readable! TBH, it is readable.
23. 03:01:949 (1,2,3) - why did you ruined this break to place THREE OBJECTS with RANDOM jump? It ruins the flow here and feels unexpected. :< On second request
24. 03:08:846 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2) - even when I increase volume, I can't hear ANY hitsounds. It is weird, because every object must be hearable for playes (unless it's a spinner with fading sound)
25. 03:14:363 - 03:14:880 - 03:15:225 - 03:15:915 - did you just cut out some circles to keep rhythm easier? I feel like you've deleted random circles and it feels weird cause some important beats are missed. No.
    Later, you go on with even more pointless/random/inconsistent jumps. What makes things even worser, is that you have a slow AR. AR8 gfeels TOO slow for final part and too fast for start part. You've ruined your diff with too much "creativity", I think. You are seriously being rude ;v;
    
    I'd recommend you to think if you really need this diff and if you still want to keep it, try to clean up! Fix some messy overlaps, some weird patterns and try to improve your flow.I actually think about deleting it since you insulted it like noone ever did. ;v;

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry, if something sounds too rude or I'm too picky/strict. I just did my best to help you and I really want you to improve your style!

Good luck, you'll need it!

-Bakari- wrote:

Well, ok. Let me explain my point more detailed. let's see, since i had experience of mapping kinda "escalation" diffs

1. First, rhythm at first half of the map is similar with rhythm at second half of the map. So, this "escalating" feels kinda..uhm..unreasonable. don't you get a point in increasing difficulty? tell this awesome story to 2/3 of mappers (number is random, but major part of them), who uses hard patterns in the end, for making it more challenge.
2. Second, yoy should start this map with [Easy] part, I think. So, we will be able to play all the diffs.
   Easy with so high AR? rly? Normal is lowest that is possible to use here. So, it has a sense only if Quiz will rename parts. i don't like "Harder" and "Very Hard" names, but in comparing with next parts they can be simply renamed into other parts. Name of difficulty means nothing. As example, your "Hard" is "Normal+" for me, and my "Hard" is "Insane" for you. So, Quiz can rename it without any problems. "that's how i feel this part and that's it" is a good reason.
3. Third, (opinion) I don't think this diff is really needed here, to be honest. Why? Let me explain:
   ~If a high-skilled player will try it - he won't play it (or vote 1) because start part is too boring
   ~If an average player will try it - he will think that start is too boring and end is too crazy.
   ~Af a low-skilled player will try it - he will think that map is TOO crazy.
   it's escalation, it should be like that. escalation from the middle of stairs has less sense, isn't it?
   ~If an average player will try it - he will think that start is too boring and end is too crazy. (well, high ar doesn't make it easy enough). Since i'm average player, i can't say "start is too boring and end is too crazy", this diff is good for average players as is, there is nothing impossible in it, you can't fall asleep in start.
   and i repeat, you miss "how far can i go" game in escalation diffs. "omg, i failed on Very Hard :/ < after 1 month: > wow, almost passed Frenzy!"

Hope you understand my point now. Try to think about it. :< i even tried. ignorance other diffs doesn't give you any respect

Quiz-chan wrote:

Open for mods again!

Smoothie wrote:

Heya Quiz

From #Smoothie #mod request

[BounceBabe's Easy]

In her recently unranked map's thread, BounceBabe wrote:

The whole community itself changed so much that I was 3 times close to quitting, and you know what, THIS will happen now. You will loose a user who tried to make this community and game better and put a lot effort and loyality into the game. Be happy with that and just go on with these naziness, I don't have the nevers for that anymore. Goodbye.

I don't know if she still cares about this diff. I hope she will come back though.

[Normal]
Mainly hitsound modding. Sorry 'bout that. ._. Not a problem though.

00:22:983 (1) - Add a whistle on the reverse? It's next to not audible at all, but OK.
00:39:535 (1) - Like this?: Mkay

SPOILER

01:20:915 (1) - Add a whistle on the slider-start. Okay
01:23:673 (1) - Whistle Sure thing
01:30:570 (4) - Add a whistle on the slider-start, reverse and end. Start and reverse yes, end no.
01:33:673 (3) - Add Whistle I don't really wanna but OK.
01:34:018 (4) - Remove the whistle on the slider trail OK.
01:41:604 (3) - Same as i mentioned above. Whistle on start, reverse and end. ^
01:44:707 (3) - Whistle ^
01:45:052 (4) - Remove whistle on slider trail.. ^
02:03:673 (2) - Add whistle on slider end. Naaah, I don't think it really fits there.
02:09:190 (2) - ^ ^
02:33:673 (2) - Add whistle I don't think it fits there either.
02:34:018 (3) - Whistle on the slider end. Okay
03:20:915 (1) - This spinner might be a bit too short for a normal. You can fix this problem by starting the spinner here: 03:19:880 ...really?
03:25:053 (1) - Add a whistle here for consistency. Sure
03:27:811 (1) - ^ ^
03:36:087 (1) - ^ ^
03:38:846 (1) - ^ ^
04:05:742 (1,2,3) - how about this?: I actually like that!

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[Escalation]
00:08:501 (2) - Why don't you stack it with 00:07:121 (1)'s end? Okay
00:29:880 (8) - Move to x:176 y:168 I don't want to but I guess you are right.
00:52:639 (3) - Whistle on the end for consistency. Okay
00:53:156 (1) - Remove Whistle Of course
00:53:328 (2) - Whistle on the start Sure
00:53:846 (3) - ^ ^
00:54:708 (4) - ^ ^
00:57:121 (3) - ^ ^
01:28:501 (1,2,3) - This dosn't really fit to the music. How about this? It flows & sounds better: THANX, A LOT BETTER NAO

SPOILER

02:42:121 (7) - How about placing it on 02:42:811 (2)'s start? It flows way better this way. Haha okay
03:20:915 (1) - Keep things moving! Start the spinner here: 03:19:621
03:34:363 (3,4) - CTRL+G for a better flow. hmmm.... okay
03:45:397 (4,5) - ^ I am not sure... both about if this improves flow and if I did this right.
03:56:087 (2) - ^

[Rain]
00:33:328 (1) - Why is there a NC? Removed (IceBeam)
01:22:983 (7) - Remove the whistle on the slider trail. It sounds better without it imo. I support this. Waiting on Naraku's response. Disagreed. (narakucrimson)
03:58:156 (1) - How about this? I prefer it as it is. Waiting on Naraku's response. Disagreed. (narakucrimson)

That's all
Awsome song and map! Thanks!
I hope you get it ranked soon I am trying <3

And with soon i mean NAO!
I AM TRYINGH

• General

1. Inconsistency in AudioLeadIn: Easy : 2000 - Escalation : 2007 - Hard : 2007 - Normal : 2007 - RAIN : 2007
2. Inconsistency in kiai times. The collab has different kiai times. You should pick one of the two ways, your kiai times or apply the collab kiai times to yours.
3. That gray combo colour with such a colorful background.. doesn't fit imo. I suggest you to remove it, since the other 4 combo colour look good together. It's the gray colour that derails them.

• [Easy]
  *For a moment I thought this was another collab. I think the SB name is unnecessary.. but if you want to put it there instead of renaming the diff to BounceBabe's Easy then it's fine, I guess.

1. 00:25:052 (2) - This is an easy diff, so it would be better to avoid placing notes like this like in a Normal. My suggestion is removing this note away.
2. 00:36:777 (3) - The finish at the end of this slider sounds too redundant imo. Consider replacing the finish with a soft whistle. Sounds better with the music to me.
3. 00:45:570 (1) - I'm personally against notes at red tick, but it's up to you though.. i think this kind of patterns would be better for a Normal diff rather than for an Easy.
4. 00:49:190 (3) - This seems done in purpose but I'll point it out anyway. This slider should end at the next white tick, at 00:49:190 (3), not here, since at the white tick is where an important beat can be heard and you ignore it by ending the slider at the red tick. I suggest you to make the slider larger, to make it end at 00:49:190 to follow better the music. The same goes to the rest of sliders like this one, such as 00:54:708 (3).. etc.
5. 01:21:949 (2) - I think this pattern would flow better if you move this note down
   
   SPOILER

   
6. 01:23:328 (4) - Since here can be heard a drum sound, I suggest you to add a clap.
7. 01:31:259 (2) - Unnecesary note imo. This would be better if you remove it so you can make a rhythm similar as at 01:33:328 (2,3,4) and so on.
8. 01:42:983 (4) - I suggest you to add a NC to follow the vocals since they change here.
9. 02:00:915 (4) - Stacking notes at slider end isn't a good idea for easy diff, you know.. beginners are slow to read and probably will get confused by this so better unstack this.
10. 02:09:190 (3) - Kinda nazi but i guess it's useful. Try to improve this blanket, like this:
    
    SPOILER

    
11. 02:29:535 (4) - Claps for drums?
12. 02:37:466 (2) - Unnecesary note imo (again). It would be better if you make this part more easy since there's a spinner at 02:32:811 (1,2). It would be good for beginners to click properly 02:36:087 (1), then leave a empty space to make a small pause at 02:37:466. This will make the player recover its hand and he'll probably avoid rushing on clicking these notes 1/2 consecutive notes.
13. 03:18:156 (5) - The melody changes here, and this combo number is a bit too high so my suggestion here is adding nc to this slider.
14. 03:25:052 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Too many consecutive notas imo, feels kinda like a normal. What happened to the pauses you were doing before? It would be good if you add some pauses here too because everything got harder all of a sudden.
15. 03:32:294 (3) - This pattern doesn't flow good imo. At least try to move this note a tad down to improve the flow of it a bit
    
    SPOILER

    
    04:03:846 (1) - This spinner starts too early after 04:02:983 (3) for a easy diff.. you should leave a small pause before the spinner starts so beginners can read properly that the spinner is going to show up. The best solution i could think of was replacing (3) with a circle and moving the spinner to the big white tick
    
    SPOILER

    
    
    Personally disliked the difficulty. Kinda complicated for an easy, with mixes of notes at red and white ticks. You should keep this consistent in easy diffs so beginners can read patterns more easily and get less confused by sudden changes of rhythm. They are learning how the game works after all. Adding notes at white ticks with pauses and then adding all of a sudden a 1/2 pattern isn't friendly for them.

• [Normal]

1. 00:04:363 (5) - Why did you place this note over here? Plays bad imo. Since you made 00:02:983 (4) so perfect and symmetrical, try copying 00:02:639 (3), replace 00:04:363 (5) with it and CTRL+H it to make perfect symmetry
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 00:12:639 (1,2,3,4,5) - Copypaste, how surprising. This means that above suggestion ^ applies here too.
3. 00:24:708 (2) - This slider flows baadly imo. It would flow muuuch better if you place it over 00:22:983 (1) end, like this
   
   SPOILER

   
4. 00:30:915 (2,3,4) - Another pattern that flows bad imo. Try to be more careful with the way you place notes! Try to make any other pattern with better flow and more appealing.. perhaps this? Looks basic, but works out very well
   
   SPOILER

   
5. 01:25:742 (5) - IMO this whistle at the sliderpath sounds noisy and doesn't fit at all. I personally prefer removing whistle there and adding it to the start of the slider.
6. 01:38:501 (2) - This change of spacing just to make a perfect blanket is unnecesary, really. It looks like the slider has to be clicked later than where it should. It will be probably confusing for beginners so better snap it with DS.
   
   I feel like I'm running around in circles .. everything is copy pasted. I'm just wasting time here. I'm very dissapointed. Perhaps at the end of the map you didn't copypaste but I lost motivation to keep up modding this. If you want the full mod please contact me via forum PM and i'll see what I can do. Since everything is copypasted the flow issues are repeated over and over again due to this. Please take a look at them and fix as much as you can if you want to improve the overall flow of the difficulty. That's the most important problem here. Oh and also, try to avoid overlapping borders and nazi stuff like at 02:42:295 (3). You can move that slider a grid up to avoid that, the same goes to the same copypasted pattern at 02:36:777 (3). I know copypaste can come in handy when you need it and it fits the song, but I think this song gives out too many possibilities of patterns and fun stuff but instead of doing it all original you just copypasted. That is what dissapoints me of this copypaste.

Quiz-chan wrote:

Two things:

First, I have asked around.... 31 people about my map, like... dunno, they should testplay or whatnot.
Now let's say they all did (I never received an answer from several people), 24 thought my map was ready for ranking and the rest criticized my map badly.
It is just confusion now from this point on: who should I listen to? All the suggestions are crossing themselves in some aspect or in anothe

Second is, knowing that Hard was the diff with the MOST flow that I made and it still has flow problems, is ticking my off crazily.

I am sorry if this is disrespecting your opinion (in my eyes, it's not...... yet), but I can't seem to put my hands to work on diffs that seemed perfectly ready for me.

EDIT: for now...

Kei wrote:

It's frustrating when I try to help people and they lose motivation like this just because they overreact over my personal point of view.

Edit: Also, that's not a very kind way to thank somebody who spent TIME and EFFORT to mod your map. I think I don't deserve this, but whatever. Good luck with what you decide to do with this mapset.

narakucrimson wrote:

It might be true that it is a little messy, but the rest is just your point of view. So please, if you don't like it, restrain yourself from commenting on it. No further explanation needed.

narakucrimson wrote:

If you wanna mod it to try and improve it, then do it in an appropriate manner.
Case closed, I don't wanna see any more comments on the matter.

Inconsistency in kiai times. The collab has different kiai times. You should pick one of the two ways, your kiai times or apply the collab kiai times to yours.

Quiz-chan wrote:

Now, Snepif, there are only two possible points:

Either everyone before Kei was dishonest and it was only her being honest (which I appreciate) OR everyone was honest and it was just Kei pointing her opinion out that nobody but you might share.

@Kei

narakucrimson wrote:

It might be true that it is a little messy, but the rest is just your point of view. So please, if you don't like it, restrain yourself from commenting on it. No further explanation needed.

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@Snepif

narakucrimson wrote:

If you wanna mod it to try and improve it, then do it in an appropriate manner.
Case closed, I don't wanna see any more comments on the matter.

I am proud that there are honest people like Kei, but your post was next to not useful at all. If you think my map is shit, why not helping me improving it, too?
As you might have noticed, I edited that answer to Kei "EDIT: for now...", which means I don't wanna change anything for now.
But if you keep on turning my map down or my "mapping skills", you won't help any further and therefore also not help the community reach their goals, if you do that all the time.
Sure, I might have overreacted (I am calm now, I am ok with this), but I don't get why noone has ever mentioned the things Kei mentioned. Either everyone else is rude or it is just me.

I HEREBY APOLOGIZE, I WANNA GET THIS MAP RANKED, COST WHAT IT MAY. Without people's help, I would never have made it this far. It would be too ridiculous stopping right here, right now, now, that it took so much time, I want it to pay out too.

Aleks719 wrote:

Inconsistency in kiai times. The collab has different kiai times. You should pick one of the two ways, your kiai times or apply the collab kiai times to yours.

Guess diff can have another kiai time. Just saying

narakucrimson wrote:

It might be true that it is a little messy, but the rest is just your point of view. So please, if you don't like it, restrain yourself from commenting on it. No further explanation needed.

JInxyjem wrote:

Your sliders are really well made, I must say. If that wasn't sarcasm, thanks.

[Normal]
00:09:535 (4) - The start isn't mapped to anything audible at all. Remove it and add a beat on 00:09:880. okay
00:20:570 (4) - Same as above. fine

[Hard]
Minor: 00:20:915 (6) - Could be blanketed better. Go to grid 4, then move the mid point and end point 1 grid right each. Result. Wasn't blanketed perfectly by intention. But ok.
00:56:087 (1) - Personally, this overlap looks really ugly, especially since it only overlapped because you made them 0.4x distance instead of 1.0. Maybe stack it or something? Naaah'I don't think it is thaat bad.
01:01:604 (1) - Same as above. ^
Minor: 01:22:121 (4) - Moving this 1 grid down (in grid 4) makes it look nicer imo, no overlaps. But that's a sliiiiight spacing issue then *ironic, cuz the things above are spacing issues too, but... whatever*

[Escalation]
01:16:259 (2) - Maybe put this on the other side, like this? I think it flows better, too, due to (1)'s sliderball's leniency. Okay
The "Maximum Power" SB is kinda hard to see, imo.
The style of this difficulty is interesting, though the one section with 0.85x sv seems a little unnecessary... It's almost the same as the 0.90x after it, anyway.

Kei wrote:

Modding as promised. I won't mod the collab though. Sorry but I hate modding collabs.. plus it's a kinda long song with 5 difficulties.

• General

1. Inconsistency in AudioLeadIn: Easy : 2000 - Escalation : 2007 - Hard : 2007 - Normal : 2007 - RAIN : 2007
2. Inconsistency in kiai times. The collab has different kiai times. You should pick one of the two ways, your kiai times or apply the collab kiai times to yours.
3. That gray combo colour with such a colorful background.. doesn't fit imo. I suggest you to remove it, since the other 4 combo colour look good together. It's the gray colour that derails them. I'll think about it

^ Erase combo color gray?
Reiji-RJ: disagreed
BounceBabe: agreed
Aleks719: disagreed
IceBeam: disagreed
I'll post Naraku's opinion later

• [Easy]
  *For a moment I thought this was another collab. I think the SB name is unnecessary.. but if you want to put it there instead of renaming the diff to BounceBabe's Easy then it's fine, I guess. Well, I just don't like too long diff names, so that's why it has SB.
  
  [list:12849][Normal]

1. 00:04:363 (5) - Why did you place this note over here? Plays bad imo. Since you made 00:02:983 (4) so perfect and symmetrical, try copying 00:02:639 (3), replace 00:04:363 (5) with it and CTRL+H it to make perfect symmetry First tell me what to do with (6).
   
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2. 00:12:639 (1,2,3,4,5) - Copypaste, how surprising. This means that above suggestion ^ applies here too. ^
3. 00:24:708 (2) - This slider flows baadly imo. It would flow muuuch better if you place it over 00:22:983 (1) end, like this Same problem as above. You didn't think the pattern through to 100%. How am I supposed to arrange the rest of the combo?
   
   SPOILER

   
4. 00:30:915 (2,3,4) - Another pattern that flows bad imo. Try to be more careful with the way you place notes! Try to make any other pattern with better flow and more appealing.. perhaps this? Looks basic, but works out very well Duh... hard to arrange with the rest, but fine
   
   SPOILER

   
5. 01:25:742 (5) - IMO this whistle at the sliderpath sounds noisy and doesn't fit at all. I personally prefer removing whistle there and adding it to the start of the slider. ok
6. 01:38:501 (2) - This change of spacing just to make a perfect blanket is unnecesary, really. It looks like the slider has to be clicked later than where it should. It will be probably confusing for beginners so better snap it with DS. sure
   
   I feel like I'm running around in circles .. everything is copy pasted. I'm just wasting time here. I'm very dissapointed. Perhaps at the end of the map you didn't copypaste but I lost motivation to keep up modding this. You only modded around 1/3 of the diff, but ok..... lol
   If you want the full mod please contact me via forum PM and i'll see what I can do. Since everything is copypasted the flow issues are repeated over and over again due to this. Please take a look at them and fix as much as you can if you want to improve the overall flow of the difficulty. That's the most important problem here. Oh and also, try to avoid overlapping borders and nazi stuff like at 02:42:295 (3). You can move that slider a grid up to avoid that, the same goes to the same copypasted pattern at 02:36:777 (3). I know copypaste can come in handy when you need it and it fits the song, but I think this song gives out too many possibilities of patterns and fun stuff but instead of doing it all original you just copypasted. That is what dissapoints me of this copypaste. You may be right, but I actually suck at mapping Normals, tried to at least make a diff with perfect sliders.

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If I have time I'll give you some advices about [Hard]. From what I've seen it has the exactly same flow problems as your Normal. Perhaps if you take into account what I've said about Normal you can improve [Hard] by yourself, and with this I won't have to repeat myself twice. I don't want to be annoying repeating very similar stuff lots of times. Escalation has similar problems too, i think it's because you mapped them both too. Oh, as for Escalation, I suggest you to decrease AR by -1. Okay...
The start of the map feels way too unnecesarily fast, and it's supposed to be Easy > Normal. Also the song sounds calm and the vocals slow.

The collab is fun to play, I played it and it was enjoyable. Good luck with ranking :>

Aleks wrote:

I don't like "Harder" and "Very Hard" names, but in comparing with next parts they can be simply renamed into other parts.
So, Quiz can rename it without any problems.