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yoyomster

jesus1412 wrote:

Wishy wrote:

Imagine I didn't know how to ride a bike, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be worth learning how to do so since I'll be faster on a bike than on feet.
The only difference is you could never compare to a bike if you're on foot which makes this a horrible analogy.
True, mouse only is as good as the other play styles. If you're up to the challenge that is :) We need more challengers!
D33d
Yeah, it only takes somebody to rape some face with a mouse and it'll demonstrate its validity in competitive play. From what I've gathered, a lot of people only decide to use the keyboard because other people tell them that it's better. I won't touch the thing, because it feels like a disjointed copout. If somebody's comfortable with a particular playstyle, then they should continue to use it.
Lapis-
Personally, just play what you feel best and comfortable with.
If you do that and dedicate, you can be competitive with any input device really.
dNextGen
why the fuck people take wishy's cmnts seriously?

we all know he is bad at arguing since the cookiezi debating days back in 2010
Futurola
Just play how you want to play. But personally I luv mouse only.
Winshley
Oinari-sama
Dual mouse? How do you keep the other one from moving?

I thought about getting an old ball mouse for that purpose but I can't find one anymore (remove the ball and viola!). Would certainly love to find out how you did it.
Winshley

Oinari-sama wrote:

Dual mouse? How do you keep the other one from moving?
I did it the hard way. :?

I slanted the other mouse diagonally by placing it between keyboard tip (just below the spacebar) and the table. This is so that the mouse will stay lifted while you can freely mash the clicks. To prevent the mouse from moving and keeping steady, it's recommended to use any form of rubber base (e.g: mousepad).

You can also try putting non-transparent adhesive tape (e.g: insulating tape) and stick it to the optical area.

While I haven't tried this and unsure whether this works, another method would be to remove the optical lens from the mouse, which requires disassembling it.

Oinari-sama

Winshley wrote:

Oinari-sama wrote:

Dual mouse? How do you keep the other one from moving?
I did it the hard way. :?

I slanted the other mouse diagonally by placing it between keyboard tip (just below the spacebar) and the table. This is so that the mouse will stay lifted while you can freely mash the clicks. To prevent the mouse from moving and keeping steady, it's recommended to use any form of rubber base (e.g: mousepad).

You can also try putting non-transparent adhesive tape (e.g: insulating tape) and stick it to the optical area.

While I haven't tried this and unsure whether this works, another method would be to remove the optical lens from the mouse, which requires disassembling it.

Hmm paper heh? I might give that a try.

I thought about the tape route before but I never actually tried it. I just assumed that it'll still be sensitive to the blocker's surface roughness (ie a grain of moving dust/hair can cause havoc). Guess I was wrong...

I had another potentially destructive idea too (never tested). Fill the lens cavity with solid, either densely packed blue tag or correction fluid (yeah... I know =.=) Never tested because I don't have any mouse on hand that I can quite throw away yet.
VoidnOwO
:)
Winshley

BRBP wrote:

What?
You can just cut a small piece of any (even transparent) tape and cover the lens. Why are you making something this simple so difficult?
I only provide examples... :?

And yeah, you can also use such tapes, provided that the mouse sensor can't track the surface anymore. But if it still does though, you might wanna cut out a small piece of paper to stick along with it and block the sensor.

As I still haven't tried using transparent tapes, I don't know whether the tape alone could block the sensor.
VoidnOwO
:)
Lilium213
I know that there a lot of people that have trouble to use the mouse to move the pointer accurately. I was one of them and then I started to search how to improve. And I saw that there a lot of people that uses maximum sensibility to play so I tried too. It was really hard at the beggining but with the time I got used to it. After some time (like 2 or 3 months), I don't know why, I decided to lower the sensibility (at 1.3). And I was really impresed. It was like that sensibility was made for my hand. I started to do the insane songs and i was really amazed with the improvement.

If your accuracy with the mouse is not good try to get used to play with high (very high) sensibility and when you can do the beatmaps in hard (like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24473) and then change again to lower sensibility. It worked for me.
silmarilen
couldnt you just have posted this in one of the 4504876 other topics about this?
or better yet, in jesus' sticky
theowest

silmarilen wrote:

couldnt you just have posted this in one of the 4504876 other topics about this?
or better yet, in jesus' sticky
I agree! I might as well just merge this with (move this to) t/108083 or something
Lilium213

theowest wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

couldnt you just have posted this in one of the 4504876 other topics about this?
or better yet, in jesus' sticky
I agree! I might as well just merge this with (move this to) t/108083 or something
How do I move it there?
VoidnOwO
:)
Spare
lol of course your going to play better with lower..........
theowest

Lilium213 wrote:

theowest wrote:

I agree! I might as well just merge this with (move this to) t/108083 or something
How do I move it there?
You can't. I can, which I've done now.
buny

BRBP wrote:

Please explain to me how you can be so sure that playing 3 months with very high sensitivity and then lowering it is better than playing 3 months with low sensitivity.
he's not implying that, he's saying that low sensitivity made him play better


idk who would use maximum sensitivity though, or even change it through ingame settings.
VoidnOwO

BRBP wrote:

Please explain to me how you can be so sure that playing 3 months with very high sensitivity and then lowering it is better than playing 3 months with low sensitivity.

buny wrote:

he's not implying that, he's saying that low sensitivity made him play better

Lilium213 wrote:

If your accuracy with the mouse is not good try to get used to play with high (very high) sensibility and when you can do the beatmaps in hard (like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24473) and then change again to lower sensibility. It worked for me.
silmarilen

Lilium213 wrote:

If your accuracy with the mouse is not good try to get used to play with high (very high) sensibility and when you can do the beatmaps in hard (like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24473) and then change again to lower sensibility. It worked for me.
key part of that sentence
Tanzklaue

silmarilen wrote:

Lilium213 wrote:

If your accuracy with the mouse is not good try to get used to play with high (very high) sensibility and when you can do the beatmaps in hard (like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24473) and then change again to lower sensibility. It worked for me.
key part of that sentence
that's some hard aqo-logic right here.
kriers
I have been playing mouse only this past week and it seems my accuracy is actually better than my keyboard accuracy, even though I haven't played actively since last summer. Took me 2 days to get my stamina back :)

I think it's funny how everyone has gone from "LOL high dpi best" to "omg noob use low dpi" during my time on the forums :P
silmarilen
still using high dpi masterrace here
Tanzklaue
1500 dpi masterrace
Oinari-sama
zomg just tried 2 mice and I gotta say it's tons of fun!

Instead of using 1 mouse for pure clicking and 1 for movement, I was using 1 button from each mouse so I can alternate with both hands (while the right hand mouse still controls movement at the same time). This reminds me of drumming... quite addictive actually 8-)
Kanye West
been low dpi since i joined

come@mebros
buny

BRBP wrote:

BRBP wrote:

Please explain to me how you can be so sure that playing 3 months with very high sensitivity and then lowering it is better than playing 3 months with low sensitivity.

buny wrote:

he's not implying that, he's saying that low sensitivity made him play better

Lilium213 wrote:

If your accuracy with the mouse is not good try to get used to play with high (very high) sensibility and when you can do the beatmaps in hard (like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24473) and then change again to lower sensibility. It worked for me.
woah i miss the whole entire second part

well that is just plain retarded.
Winshley

Oinari-sama wrote:

Instead of using 1 mouse for pure clicking and 1 for movement, I was using 1 button from each mouse so I can alternate with both hands (while the right hand mouse still controls movement at the same time). This reminds me of drumming... quite addictive actually 8-)
I actually wanted to learn on streaming with that alternating method. I always had trouble with that because I tend to press both clicks at the same time. :o

I had to admit that streaming with mouse feels a lot better than with rubber dome keyboard. It could be just me tho.
Oinari-sama

Winshley wrote:

Oinari-sama wrote:

Instead of using 1 mouse for pure clicking and 1 for movement, I was using 1 button from each mouse so I can alternate with both hands (while the right hand mouse still controls movement at the same time). This reminds me of drumming... quite addictive actually 8-)
I actually wanted to learn on streaming with that alternating method. I always had trouble with that because I tend to press both clicks at the same time. :o

I had to admit that streaming with mouse feels a lot better than with rubber dome keyboard. It could be just me tho.
I find that alternating streaming quite easy to do (if I may say so on my first day). However all the "normal" stuff like triplets and 5s has become a pain in the *** if the spacing is huge. It's so ambiguous, that if I rely on one hand only (for being not used to it) I'll get 100/50, or just plain miss if I 2-mice alternate (due to friction differentials). It might take some time to get used to alternating (accurately) with left hand mouse.

Nevertheless it's heaps of fun. I'm so glad to have found a new way to enjoy osu :)
Ekaru
The longer a normal person plays with a specific sensitivity the better they will be with it. Whether or not a weirdo does better changing it up is irrelevant.

Also, lower sensitivity is better for anything but super easy maps where you want to max out your RPM with no real effort whatsoever. And learning to keyboard really is worth it.

Wishy wrote:

Imagine I didn't know how to ride a bike, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be worth learning how to do so since I'll be faster on a bike than on feet.
Coincidentally, I don't know how to ride a bike but am planning to learn how to do it this summer for that exact reason. Easily one of the best comparisons I've seen on osu! (though this isn't really saying much).
buny
increasing dpi does not increase spin speed

if you think for 2 seconds you'd find the reason why.
Tanzklaue

buny wrote:

increasing dpi does not increase spin speed

if you think for 2 seconds you'd find the reason why.
increasing dpi makes the spinradius wider, but the physical speed (and thus the SPM-count ingame) is the same.

do I get a cookie?

though a wider spinradius helps you not "missing" the slider and getting faster spins that way.
Spare
Doesn't Matter what Dpi as long as you feel comfortable ~
CrabstickHell
So would anyone care to explain to me why Tablet is suck a better pointing device than mouse? I can understand why Keyboard+Pointing Device is better than pointing device alone (although I play better Mouse-only because I have a mouse with Omron microswitches and a rubber dome keyboard). However, I don't understand what makes a tablet better as a pointing device. You may say "well it's more accurate", but it seems with Osu! in particular a lot of mouse players use ridiculously high dpi which affects accuracy (if you're good with high dpi that's fine but you shouldn't claim mouse isn't accurate if you use >1000 dpi, on a personal note, I play at ultra-low 200 dpi). Other than that, Tablet just seems like an alternative pointing device.
silmarilen
[quote="https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/71895":1337] The biggest difference that a tablet has over a mouse is that it features absolute tracking. This means that every point on the tablet corresponds to a particular point on the screen. If you lift the pen outside of the sensitive range, then put it down on another part of the tablet, the cursor will "jump" to that location. This is opposed to mice, which rely on relative tracking.
nrl
I've never really bought into the whole relative/absolute tracking thing; a mouse approximates absolute tracking if you never lift it anyways. My draw to the tablet was the higher ease of maneuverability and lower weight offered by the pen.
RaneFire

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

I've never really bought into the whole relative/absolute tracking thing; a mouse approximates absolute tracking if you never lift it anyways.
No it doesn't. There is no perfect sensor on the planet that can produce perfect 1:1 response, the errors are in the region of ~0.5% for both angles and distances at those angles. There is always error, which is the nature of optical tracking. Mouse engineers try their best to fix the random deviation, and give you a slightly different, but consistent deviation instead.

It is negligible during normal play or when doing a "book test" (physical boundaries) only performing a horizontal swipe. This only tests acceleration which is an easy test. You can't test deviation because you try to measure the mouse against itself, which yields the same result every time, unless you have a separate tool to do so. But for the most part it is very consistent, the differences are minimal and negligible, and only requires practice to get used to it.

All I am saying is... it's far from absolute.
CrabstickHell

silmarilen wrote:

[quote="https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/71895":1337] The biggest difference that a tablet has over a mouse is that it features absolute tracking. This means that every point on the tablet corresponds to a particular point on the screen. If you lift the pen outside of the sensitive range, then put it down on another part of the tablet, the cursor will "jump" to that location. This is opposed to mice, which rely on relative tracking.
I can see the argument there. I don't really care that much if I'm at a disadvantage because I'll never be or at least it'll be a very long time before I reach the highest level of play. If I wanted to be competitive I'd invest in a good tablet but I can't be bothered to get one for a single game, especially when I'm not playing it competitively. Even still, there's not really much of a disadvantage when you have mouse players at the top level. Compare that to say a gamepad vs a mouse (and yet there's this one guy who actually plays Osu! with a gamepad and doesn't totally suck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0TQ4_9QVzE) which are in entirely different leagues. The mouse might be still at a disadvantage but it's still a very viable tool.
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