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General "sliders broken by latest build" Thread [confirmed] [resolved]

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SuperMIC
420 posts
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SuperMIC
So I'm mapping one of my difficulties in 1/6 and 1/4 (there's triplets and sixteenth notes) and I think due to the new recalculation logic, a big problem as that when I switch between the two all sliders snap to the beat snap I'm in. Then when I try to fix the sliders, the just reset themselves as I switch between beat snaps again.

"example1"


When I switch back to 1/6:

But:

Slider should land on blue tick

As far as I can tell, this problem self-resolves when playing/testing a map, but still it's very hard and annoying to work with in-editor.

To reproduce:

1. Change the beat snap in any map
2. ???
3. Profit!

Please fix! :s
Natteke
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Joined August 2009
Natteke
badum tss

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Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Joined January 2011
Kyshiro

[Luanny] wrote:

Kyshiro saved the world
Don't worry about it, only doing my job
Stefan
Global Moderator
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Joined January 2011
Stefan

Kyshiro wrote:

1. Open the editor
2. Select everything (CTRL+A)
3. Move everything forward and back to where it belongs
4. Play it or testplay it
5. ???
6. Profit!
LIFE GOT SENSE NOW
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
8,436 posts
Joined March 2010
TheVileOne
Explain the issue you are having:
This is probably related to the slider bug, but even if some of the sliders are unloaded when you test, the actual circles which are loaded don't respond to hits. Essentially these maps cannot be played in test mode.


Is it reproducible? If so, explain the steps to do so:

1. Test Taiko specific (needs to have an unloaded slider)
2. Try to hit anything
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
1,642 posts
Joined January 2011
Kyshiro

Stefan wrote:

Kyshiro wrote:

1. Open the editor
2. Select everything (CTRL+A)
3. Move everything forward and back to where it belongs
4. Play it or testplay it
5. ???
6. Profit!
LIFE GOT SENSE NOW
kd pls
theowest
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
theowest
t/119764 ?

edit: merged c:
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF
Drumrolls are sliders. Merged Dolphin's thread with the general thread.
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
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DakeDekaane

TheVileOne wrote:

Explain the issue you are having:
This is probably related to the slider bug, but even if some of the sliders are unloaded when you test, the actual circles which are loaded don't respond to hits. Essentially these maps cannot be played in test mode.

Is it reproducible? If so, explain the steps to do so:

1. Test Taiko specific (needs to have an unloaded slider)
2. Try to hit anything
That only happens with maps modified and saved after the last update (in my case)
Also:
- You can't trigger auto while testing.
- Auto mod fails.
There's supposed to be a drumroll after that

I was about to post in another thread, but is highly related to actual sliders behavior, so I put here.
YuuichiYusa
21 posts
Joined January 2011
YuuichiYusa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pqAk9ao_hI

So this happens when i download "pending" maps...try to play them and this happens...Not sure what is causing it, and i have tried it with multiple skins, different screen resolutions, etc. Ranked, and approved maps all work perfectly fine. Not sure whats causing this, as i was able to play pending maps before the last few updates.

EDIT: this only happens with pending maps ive downloaded in the last day.
theowest
osu! Alumni
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theowest
p/2137539

merging
S o h
Global Moderator
161 posts
Joined January 2013
S o h
I'm also seeing that some sliders in my beatmap that I mapped before the updates became longer than they used to be, some revert back just like the invisible sliders but some of them don't. It also completely broke some of my short repeat sliders.
peppy
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peppy
Please update your osu!.
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
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TheVileOne
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Taiko specific sliders still seem to be broken.
peppy
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Here since the beginning
peppy
How to replicate this?
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
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TheVileOne
Maybe it's just the taiko test map i made while it was still broken. It never unbroke. Existing sliders seem to work fine.
theowest
osu! Alumni
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theowest
all taiko specific sliders seem to work fine for me and millhioreF
DeletedUser_1133841
DeletedUser_1133841

Souen- wrote:

I'm also seeing that some sliders in my beatmap that I mapped before the updates became longer than they used to be, some revert back just like the invisible sliders but some of them don't. It also completely broke some of my short repeat sliders.
Mine got shorter! o_o I fixed the ones that it happened to, but about half of what was affected reverted back to how they were before I fixed them, and one even did it a third time. I hadn't left or tested when they did it, too... Just scrolled through to fix them all. They aren't doing it, anymore, though. Happened earlier today.

Souen- wrote:

There's a weird phenomenon where the slider is invisible in the timeline until I approach near the point where the slider is.
Mine's never invisible, unless I'm misunderstanding you, or simply haven't seen it... The timeline knows it's there? It appears like a hitcircle, though. Nowhere to be seen in the editor, but the points appear when I hover where it should be.

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.osu file has the "NaN" thing. X's appear in the top left corner during testing. Restarted osu! (thrice) before posting this.

Edit: Oh, and the majority of the sliders in the map are doing the same as the seventh in the screenshot is.
Van246
82 posts
Joined December 2011
Van246

TheVileOne wrote:

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Taiko specific sliders still seem to be broken.
Im getting this issue on standard map...
The sliders shows as a hitcircle on the time line, is invisble on the grid (besides the points to shape the sliders)
And the game crashes every time i test play, make auto play or play as a person
Chupalika
149 posts
Joined September 2012
Chupalika
the problem with the sliders not appearing in autoplay in recently updated pending maps, it looks like in regular play, clicking the spot where the slider was still works, but it's like a split second invisible slider from the original point to the top left... really weird
peppy
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peppy
I'm pretty sure this is already resolved and the remaining issues are actually in bugged maps, rather than the editor itself having problems.
HanzeR
921 posts
Joined May 2012
HanzeR
Hi so like half of my sliders at the end of this map decided to go on vacation

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/79900

in other news time travel has never been easier
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S o h
Global Moderator
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S o h
So since my map completely broke, I had to redownload the version I uploaded before the slider updates.

It still does this sometimes.

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And yes, I am on the latest osu version.
peppy
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peppy
How do you replicate it?
HanzeR
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HanzeR

peppy wrote:

How do you replicate it?
I dunno man I came home, patched, and saw my map wanted to update. I didn't remember changing anything so I did a submit and poof, sliders disappeared
peppy
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peppy
Did you edit your map yesterday? This could have broken it.
HanzeR
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Joined May 2012
HanzeR

peppy wrote:

Did you edit your map yesterday? This could have broken it.
Yeah, I probably did

I noticed that all the broken sliders look like this in the code.

The broken ones say NaN

peppy
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peppy
If you replace NaN with 0 and then load the map in the editor, most should be fixed.
S o h
Global Moderator
161 posts
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S o h

peppy wrote:

How do you replicate it?
It happens when you add a waypoint via Ctrl + click onto any of my sliders.
FrzR
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Joined October 2012
FrzR
Ill add some of it too.



:|
DeletedUser_1133841
DeletedUser_1133841
o.o Anyone else experiencing problems with the scale function?

Before: (1.000)
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After: (.500)
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After: (2.000)
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Neliel
174 posts
Joined March 2012
Neliel

peppy wrote:

If you replace NaN with 0 and then load the map in the editor, most should be fixed.
Nope, my Sliders are still invisible.
Marcin
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Marcin
http://db.tt/BRy4mTdZ
No NaN values in *.osu
If someone wants, you can test it out here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mnd3wbvwtd3l ... mix%29.osz at 01:42:285 (1) -
HanzeR
921 posts
Joined May 2012
HanzeR
Yup can confirm, de-NaN ing didn't fix the problem
TheVileOne
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TheVileOne
I can confirm scaling litterally breaks sliders. It will leave the head of the slider in the same location but will move the body. If you move the broken slider the separated head will readjust and move with the rest of the slider. No control points will move. But if you undo such an action the game will add such a control point in an attempt to fix the slider and strange slider configurations can result.


Rotating a slider after it's been broken creates some weird results too


Okay found another issue. Adding an extra point to a slider and then deleting that point makes sliders that escape the screen.

Replication steps
1. Make any two pointed slider
2. Adding a point in between the two points will instantly create a randomly bending slider with four points for whatever reason.
3. Removing one of those points will create a three point slider that escapes the screen.

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Before

Added a point in between the sliders. It instantly made this.

I deleted a point


Other attempts.



If I add a fourth point anywhere within this slider, the end will go off the screen. In general adding more points will more than likely give you a shape you didn't want and its hard to predict what shape you are going to get. I would say mapping is probably horrible right now, because the sliders are create shapes just by making additional changes. It would be too much to ask force someone to make the slider with the correct number of points or they must start over.
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Example of inconsistency. If a player places a point in a slider, and then removes it, one would assume that the slider would return to its original shape. This is definitely not so.


Added a third point

Deleted that third point


I do not think players will like deleting unecessary points.
Kirino Kousaka
655 posts
Joined November 2010
Topic Starter
Kirino Kousaka

peppy wrote:

Fixed in latest update.
yay~
I have not experienced anything wrong so far in my last update and that's nice. =w=
Natsu
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Joined September 2012
Natsu
i almost have to remake all my sliders T-T xD
Slow-ru
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Joined August 2012
Slow-ru
Clones sliders still doesn't looks like a clones sliders, lol
And if I put one slider on another - it turns out that one slider automatically becomes short :C

my bad ingrish
peppy
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peppy
Scaling is fixed. Will look into cloning.
DeletedUser_1133841
DeletedUser_1133841

peppy wrote:

Scaling is fixed.
The sliders are still becoming strange any way they're scaled over here. Breaks in half when moved afterward, but they move together. I've never experienced any problems with cloning...

Here, "four" is "three" copied, scaled to the max, then moved. (But it happens to new sliders, too.)
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I also tried restarting osu!, and creating a brand new map in case,

peppy wrote:

I'm pretty sure this is already resolved and the remaining issues are actually in bugged maps, rather than the editor itself having problems.
that was the problem, but no luck.

It was completely straight.
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Slow-ru
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Joined August 2012
Slow-ru
I don't know why, but when I try to move a slider, he is changing his own length automaticly - I don't remember that before

Before
After
peppy
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peppy
Fixes are on the test build, not the public.
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
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Confirming this issue. I uploaded the map before the update, and I updated after receiving many issues mapping another map. I come back to see that map fixed, but this map missing all of its sliders

Map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/80603

The sliders still exist, but they're just not showing up.

EDIT: Same with this map, except it's the insane diff, which I also updated yesterday. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/56253

EDIT2: Fixed by recalculating slider lengths
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
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TheVileOne
I checked the latest test build and scaling seems completely fixed. The extra slider point bug is fixed. There's still this one bug though.

When you have a slider with a point on the exact edge of the grid, and add an additional point, it creates a weird slider stretch. It's not a big deal though and was a problem before you changed the slider code.
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Xierra
569 posts
Joined July 2011
Xierra
Confirming that my public build got problems. Difference from TVO's is that my slider is not on the edge. Alt adding a slider point makes that weird slider stretch to the top left of the grid along with my intended slider point.

The Slider Bug
[Luanny]
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Joined April 2011
[Luanny]
scale tool still bugged
Arnold0
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Joined February 2012
Arnold0
I changed a point from white to red and tada :o
TheVileOne
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TheVileOne
Are you using the test build to create these examples? This behavior seemed to be fixed when I checked.
Xierra
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Joined July 2011
Xierra

TheVileOne wrote:

Are you using the test build to create these examples? This behavior seemed to be fixed when I checked.
Good point. I guess I'll have to wait for that since I'm not a supporter. :D
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF
Is this still happening on public? It's totally fixed on test AFAIK, so marking resolved for now.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
It seems the extra slider point and scaling is fixed, dunno about sliders disappearing.
D33d
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Joined April 2011
D33d
I have a queer issue and it seems to be isolated. See this arc?



Pulling one of the endpoints sideways turns it back into a bezier, but extending the slider's length by any other means retains the circumscription calculation.



Is this an actual bug or is it damage control for horrifying circular arcs? Either way, it wasn't a huge problem, but it certainly screwed with me for five minutes when I was fiddling with the arc. It seems to happen at widths greater than 50 grid3s, as any degree of an arc that's narrower than that doesn't change.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF

D33d wrote:

Is this an actual bug or is it damage control for horrifying circular arcs?
The latter. Circular arcs that go offscreen are automatically reverted to bezier.
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