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Lizbeth
hi~

No tags? Consider adding the name of the album.

Timing
+10 to your second offset… try it and tell me what you think, I’m not really good at timing so maybe you should ask someone pro at timing to give it a look.

Hard
Found an unsnapped object… resnap all notes please..

Easy
01:49:306 (2,3,4) - Kinda hard to catch for newbies because you change from white tick to red tick, maybe if you use a slider for that transition would be easier to read, what about starting a slider at 01:48:827 till 01:49:306?
03:18:183 (1) - why not do this : 03:20:900 (1,2,3) - ? feels better while playing.

That’s all for now.
gyt
Hello.

Video is really bad and with sound. I tried to find a better one. If you will use it, set video offset to 11000 (or something around this).

[Hard]
01:10:500 (5) - remove claps - these double sounds aren't good for me.
02:01:626 (5) - ^
02:28:477 (4) - ^
03:06:838 (5) - ^
fun diff. It was a bit hard for me in the past, but now I really like it.

[Normal]
01:43:078 (5,1,2,3) - a bit tricky for normal, imo - maybe remove 01:43:397 (1)? - it's nicer after 01:32:857 (1,2,3) and 01:36:690 (3,1,2) - or remove stack at 01:41:481 (4,5) http://puu.sh/wX2E
03:29:209 (3,4) - not stack this too? http://puu.sh/wXiE

[Easy]
00:35:048 (2) - move to 00:34:888? (follow lyrics better)
01:33:496-01:52:020 - strange 1/1 mapping after 00:21:314-00:41:755 part, which is harder and follow lyrics. I think, you need to change something.
01:39:564 - add circle?
01:40:522 (1,2,3) - make it like 00:28:979 (2,3,4) or 02:45:745 (1,2,3)?
01:49:306 (2,3,4) - sudden red circles, especially if you don't change ^ (so if you don't want to add some red circles earlier, i suggest to replace this with repeat slider like Lizbeth said)
02:21:448 (3) - maybe remove one repeat and add a circle at 02:23:365?
02:38:714 (1) - remove this circle? (it's a bit fast after spinner for easy).
03:24:096 (3) - maybe remove one repeat and add a circle at 03:26:013?
03:27:292 (2,3,4) - remove claps? :|

Well, I hope you rank this. Good luck!
Doodley
Modding as per request. All of these are suggestions unless otherwise noted, so you can change whatever you'd like.

  • General
Try to avoid linear placement patterns with your notes, especially with streams. They're not very fun. Same goes for some of your straight sliders. (This is personal preference.)
Consider using combo colors. (Although your colors are a bit limited with the background, custom combo colors can be fun and I recommend it with everyone)
03:25:374 - This seems like a weird section to have a kaia fountain. Perhaps it would work better at 03:18:982 ?

Hard
I particularly like how the sections in kaia are mapped in this difficulty.
03:19:941 (4,5,6) - This pattern plays a little awkwardly. Perhaps copy 03:19:302 (1,2,3) and paste it here, and then flip it vertically?

Normal
00:35:367 (3) - Avoid repeating sliders over two. I suggest this timing pattern:

01:40:203 (1,2) - Don't stack these, maybe?
02:21:448 (1,2,3) - Don't stack these as well. They're particularly far apart on the timeline and play somewhat oddly.
02:57:889 - 03:13:869 and 01:01:557 - 01:22:637 - Sort of a weird comment here, but it's very easy to tell these are copied and mirrored sections, possibly because they're linear. Something went off in my mind when testing that said "oh, these are the same sections but mirrored." Could you change up the patterns a bit?
03:35:601 - Avoid repeating sliders over two...

Easy
02:38:714 - This might be too close to the spinner? Maybe?

Nothing unrankable or anything that particularly stands out as bad, but you really should avoid linear patterns. I mean, it's personal preference. But, overall, it looks fine. Just try to mix things up.
Niko-nyan
here my mod T_T

Normal
CS4 its ok but i suggest to CS3

all nothing LOL
Topic Starter
Behon
We're coming up on this map's second anniversary. Can any MATs or BATs please take a look at this one?
HanzeR

Behonkiss wrote:

We're coming up on this map's second anniversary. Can any MATs or BATs please take a look at this one?
It really deserves it :) , cool map and I love the song. You dont see this style very much anymore

[Hard]
Disable countdown (across all diffs). It doesn't really fit in this map IMO.

Drain 7 might be a little harsh on this map.
Nazi changes - because I have too much time

00:25:785 (6) - move the endpoint to x400 y56

00:28:979 (5) - move the endpoint to x168 y80, then stack 00:29:458 (6) -

00:29:937 (7) - copy 00:25:785 (6), snap to spacing and ctrl+r

00:37:763 (3) - Make like this - http://puu.sh/QVmV you will need to reposition rest of the combo

00:40:158 (8) - should make this parallel with 4

01:13:694 (9) - move the endpoint to x232 y 40

01:44:515 (5) - You can make this look prettier like this http://puu.sh/QVq9

01:49:944 (6) - like this http://puu.sh/QVrs

02:04:823 (9) - copy 01:13:694 (9)

02:16:016 (7) - This looks prettier http://puu.sh/QVuj

Anyways, I'm sure you know what I'm getting at :) Since you reuse a lot of sliders just find the ones that dont look quite right and change them up a bit.

[Normal]
Looks great !
02:00:986 (6) - a little ugly

[Easy]
No changes that I can see.


Really fun, hopefully it gets some attention sooner rather than later :o
zaczac
Hi ~ from M4M queue

Your Mod
t/90522/start=25



[General]
  1. Why combo color (3) and (4) is same color?
    Players can not notice that combo color has changed.Please combo color (4) change the other color.
  2. why hitsound volume not change? :?
    This is not unrankable.But Volume should be changed by the atmosphere of the song.

[Easy]
  1. 01:14:333 (1,2,3) - Don't stack please.Player cannot see by hit circle 300.If you can,fix it for beginner.
    (But This is suggestion.You can ignore this suggestion)
  2. 01:15:610 (1,2) - ^
  3. 01:52:672 (1) - make this?(suggestion) It will be better flow.
    ( (1) is copy and paste by 01:51:382 (2),so I don't think that need to code :P )
  4. 02:21:448 (3) - plaese move to 1grid up.(cuz,02:20:170 (1,2,3) - should same an altitude)
  5. 02:05:463 (1,2,3) -3 same as 01:14:33
  6. 02:06:742 (1,2) - ^
  7. 02:21:448 (3) - please change one reverse and one circle.( round trip slider(many times) is difficult for beginner )
  8. 03:24:096 (3) - ^


[Normal]
  1. 00:32:493 (3) - delete circle and put slider 1/1 rhythm please.I feel so strange for blank(Blank time 00:32:493 ~ 00:33:131)
  2. 01:07:945 (1) - remove whistle(slider end) It's so noisy.
  3. 03:35:601 (5) - spacing...(Prev:x1.23 Next:x0.80)
  4. 02:00:986 (6) - same as 01:07:945 (slider end)
  5. 03:03:003 (1) - same as 01:07:945 (slider end)
  6. 03:24:096 (3,4,5) - make this? It looks better.
    400,280,204096,2,0,B|400:200|320:128|240:120,1,240,4|0
    152,104,205054,1,0
    216,32,205374,2,0,B|299:44|368:72|440:144,1,240,4|0
  7. 03:35:601 (5) - add a new combo



[Hard]
  1. 02:16:016 (7) - umm...slider so ugly...
  2. 02:18:572 (5) - wow...o_0

sorry,short mod. :(
Gens
[Timing]
  1. Timing... for the most part is okay, but there's a few bits here and there [01:32:857] that sound off. I don't consider myself a timing expert, specially with multiple timing sections, so I probably wouldn't be of any help. Have you gotten someone to help you with it? From what I get, this map could use tons of new sections, but some timers prefer to keep it simple like this. I don't know if that's the case here.
  2. ...are you sure the BPM should be that high? Halved should work much better. You can use half BPM and double slider velocity and it should work the same. If there isn't a good reason for it, having the BPM like this would be unrankable, I'd say.
  3. For good measure, the first offset should start at 873.
  4. The downbeat at 01:53:311 should be... there. In case the other section is unavoidable, add another red section there to keep the downbeat in its right place.
[Hard]
00:28:820 (4,5,6) - This part right here... doesn't stack well at all. I'd suggest using another pattern, or doing manual stacking (which is a bit more complicated).
00:33:451 (5,1) - I'd avoid this little bit of overlapping if possible. Everything else is so neatly placed it looks a bit out of place.

This map... is strangely fun. It has a very classic feeling to it, and even though there's those streams, it doesn't feel very overmapped; in fact, it makes the map more charming and memorable. Good job.

[Comment]
Speaking about it generally... the map isn't bad at all. You got most structure and timeline placement down, really loved how you used the sliders overall. You should work on your slider shapes - using more points in long sliders is best - and your patterns now; to give the map more creativity.

Well... then again, this map is 2 years old, so it probably isn't a good measure of recent mapping skills.

Well, I only took a look at Hard for now. Going to take a look at other difficulties and stuff later!
Leorda
Hiiii

[Easy]
01:49:306 (2) - Remove clap at repeating slider. It's noisy
02:32:630 (1) - New combo for this spinenr? Is this intentional or something?
03:37:518 (1) - ^


[Normal]
01:09:861 (6) - New combo?
01:20:720 (6) - ^
01:46:910 (3) - Move 1 grid left for centered the pattern from (1) and (2)? (nazi)
02:00:986 (6) - New combo?
02:11:859 (6) - ^
02:22:406 (3) - This slider doesn't looks symmetric, make it symmetric?
03:06:199 (6) - New combo?


[Hard]
00:28:820 (4,5) - Not stack correctly with head slider (look at test mode). It could be having a bad pattern while gameplay
03:14:508 (3) - Move 1 grid left for centered the pattern from (1) and (2)? (nazi)


Good luck....
Gens
Silly me, I should have build further on my last comment - I promised myself I wouldn't be vague with my mods anymore.

So, on slider shapes... I said more points equals good, right? You can take a look at this to see more or less what I mean. In the case of this beatmap, notice how you do "bad" shapes a lot:



To make the beatmap look nicer, I suggest you try to make the following sliders more smooth.

00:25:785 (6)
00:29:937 (7)
00:33:451 (5) - This could be a perfect blanket. Disable grid snapping if you have to.
02:26:240 (7)
02:31:672 (6)
02:43:667 (2,3)
03:21:539 (5,7) - These sliders should be more round, fitting the circles better.
03:24:735 (6)

Some of these don't involve adding more anchor points, but rather, centering the one already in use:



Also, it doesn't exactly affect the slider shape, but it's a good habit to end the slider where the last anchor point is (notice where I placed the last anchor point):



That way, reverse slider doesn't get all messed up, and it's easier to get the shape you want.

On the point of creativity... I felt like in some parts of the beatmap you were just "freestyling" instead of thinking the patterns beforehand. This isn't exactly bad, but it'd be better if some structures were more solid.

For example:
http://puu.sh/YKGJ - This pattern... doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. There's no symmetry or anything, it doesn't feel solid.
http://puu.sh/YKH8 - If it were something like this though, it'd feel better. At least the beats are making a pretty shape up there.

On this aspect, I can't exactly tell you what patterns to change or how to change them, since I would be transforming this in my map. If you did change some patterns around, I'd suggest these (these are the ones who struck me as most "out of place"):

00:21:793 (1,2,3,4,5)
01:32:857 (1,2,3,4,5,6)
01:45:633 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9)
01:50:743 (1,2,3)
02:14:099 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7)
02:24:323 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7)

Keep in mind this doesn't involve deleting the whole pattern and redoing everything again, just placing the beats with a little more sense would be okay.
In any case, I'd understand if you didn't want to change any pattern; in that case, just keep it in mind for future maps. It can greatly increase the quality of them.

There is one more point I want to bring... the little streams can look a little bit better. Now that we have the "Convert Slider to Stream" tool, it should be a cinch to make these streams more "round".

02:23:365 (1,2,3,4,5)
03:33:524 (6,7,8,9,10,11)

So, I guess that's it. It might look like a lot of work to do, but it's not that much. I haven't looked at Easy and Normal yet, so you could check them yourself to see if they have any of the things I pointed out above. In any case, I believe fixing the Hard difficulty is most important than fixing Easy or Normal.
Don't kudosu this post. :)
Topic Starter
Behon
Took me forever, but I finally went and addressed most of the critiques people have left since the last update, as well as halved the timing and doubled the slider speeds to keep them the same as they were before. Time for another round of modding, methinks.
Birdy
I can feel that this is 2 years old yeah. It's not a bad thing IMO, though.

[Easy]
00:29:939 (4) - Could be symmetrical and blanket the next circle better
00:37:765 (3) - Balance curve to center
00:39:682 (4,5) - Sudden turn, looks uncomfortable
01:20:729 (1) - Long straight line, please make something interesting here
01:36:701 (3) - Straight line again, more interesting things please
01:41:493 (3) - Make better curve with 2 sliderpoints
02:11:839 (1) - Straight line, make interesting stuffs
02:15:058 (1) - ^
02:17:294 (1) - ^
02:39:353 (2) - Try 2 points again
02:46:703 (3) - ^

[Normal]
00:25:785 (6) - Move the sliderpoint a bit left and down
00:35:367 (3) - Make slighter turn and more round
00:37:763 (3) - 2 sliderpoints and bigger curve please
01:01:557 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Entire section of straight lines, rather boring
01:16:568 (6) - More round
01:44:515 (4) - Make it blanket the previous circle better
01:52:672 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Lines
02:00:986 (6) - The slider on previous Kiai is better, copypaste please
02:07:702 (6) - More round
02:26:240 (5) - Balance the curve, maybe use two points again
02:57:889 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Lines
03:12:910 (6) - More round
03:17:065 (6) - ^ (+ use two points)

[Hard]
00:25:785 (6) - More round (use two points)
00:29:937 (7) - ^
01:13:694 (9) - Make slighter or use two points to make prettier
01:21:519 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - I kinda want to make you keep these lines to bring back the old maps, but you may fix these too
01:34:773 (6) - Line, add interesting stuff
02:17:294 (1) - Move 2 or 3 squares right (grid lvl 4)
02:18:572 (5) - Make the curves more round (use four points)
02:31:672 (6) - Make prettier
02:43:667 (2,3) - Balance on center, and maybe use two points again
02:46:703 (8) - Make the curves more round again
03:22:178 (7) - Blanket the circle better
03:24:735 (6) - Make slighter

I'd like to see this ranked soon. /me hides
TheVileOne
My mod

This song brings me back. I love it!

Easy

Unsnapped notes
Check your green lines, some of them are unsnapped.

00:35:369 (3) - It would be nice if you made the points in this slider more even. The curve is a little bit off. also perhaps it would be better if you made it flush or almost flush with 1,2.
00:37:765 (3) - I'm not sure about this. It doesn't look as clean as it could be. http://puu.sh/1sQjz Although my example doesn't perfectly line up with the notes after it, but it's an example that you could work with as you want. I think the positioning works with my pattern actually.
01:04:119 (1) - Move the center point up and right 1 unit?
01:10:827 (3) - Remove clap.
01:33:986 (2,3) - Slanted transition would be better if you could get it to work.
01:41:493 (3) - Finish sounds out of place. Replace with whistle?
01:51:395 (2) - Could you make this slider better? Maybe curve in the other direction as well as a small touchup to the curve. http://puu.sh/1sQFm
01:55:228 (1) - Same as 1:04?
02:01:937 (3) - Remove clap
02:27:838 (2) - Up and left 1 unit? It looks weird where it in comparison to 1. seems like it should be slightly higher.
02:38:714 (1) - Clap
02:46:703 (3) - Isn't as clean as it could be. http://puu.sh/1sQOJ
03:00:446 (1) - Same as 1:04
03:07:157 (3) - Remove clap.

Normal
Same snapping issues as Easy. Green lines too.

00:25:785 (6) - end of this looks flat. Maybe add a couple more slider points.
00:31:534 (5,1) - This is awkward without a note on that red tick. I suggest adding one.
00:35:367 (3) - Slider needs to be better. Use symmetry. also perhaps add a hitsound on it somewhere.
00:37:124 (1) - Move left 1 unit.
00:39:679 (5) - You should line this up better with 4. It can even be lined up with the large slider. http://puu.sh/1sR4X Make sure you keep the combo after in mind too. Reposition it to also go with the new angles.
01:34:294 (5) - Curve looks slightly flat. Maybe move the center point more to the right?
01:41:481 (4) - Lowering the end would look better.
01:49:306 (3) - Remove whistle from the repeat?

Hard

Same snapping issues

00:27:702 (3,4,5) - Stacking improperly. Manual stack
00:38:880 (4,5,6,7,8) - Move down 1 unit.
01:33:176 - Note here?
01:34:773 (7,1) - Plays a lot better if the slider were reduced to the long white tick and a note replaced its end.
02:07:702 (7,8,9,10) - Spacing is weird here. Make it consistent.
02:23:365 (1,2,3) - Spacing.
02:31:672 (6) - Reduce the curve some?
02:42:549 (9) - Maybe add whistle to the end?


General

I'm a major old school fan. I love your style of mapping. There's just not that many linear mappers anymore. There were flaws of course, but those flaws brought back nostalgia, so please for the sake of nostalgia, don't consider remapping these maps. It's really good.
Come[Back]Home
Easy

Well,fine

Normal

00:27:223 add a cirlce
01:09:541 add a circle
02:00:666 ^
03:05:879 ^

Hard

00:37:603 add a circle
01:10:500 delete slider and do this http://puu.sh/1MZP0
02:01:626 ^
03:06:838 ^
Natsu
General:

SPOILER
Tags
no tags, consider adding some.

Timing Sections
Inconsistency in uninherited (red) timing sections:

- [Easy]
Red timing sections at:
00:21:314, BPM of 93,915
01:52:672, BPM of 93,781
02:13:780, BPM of 93,895
02:38:075, BPM of 93,870

- [Hard]
Red timing sections at:
00:21:314, BPM of 93,930
01:52:672, BPM of 93,810
02:13:780, BPM of 93,870
02:38:075, BPM of 93,870

- [Normal]
Red timing sections at:
00:21:314, BPM of 93,930
01:52:672, BPM of 93,810
02:13:780, BPM of 93,870
02:38:075, BPM of 93,870

Easy:

SPOILER
add clap sound better 00:41:119
01:01:563 add finish to the head of slider
01:33:507 remove clap and add finish

Hard:

SPOILER
02:20:171 (2,3,4,5) – this look better in this way imo:


Normal was good nice wirk that are just suggestions
Topic Starter
Behon
Another round of mods done. Would anyone be willing to look at this for a potential bubble?
Kodora
oh great :o
Kodora
[General]
Maybe i mistakes, but i feel offset wrong in some parts. Please, recheck timing.
Alternative rock, post-grunge - add to tags

[Easy]
00:37:124 (1,2) - sure about claps? And maybe add more space?
01:06:667 (1) - maybe bend this slider a little? because in next part it looks like annoying copypasta /me runs
01:33:495 (1,2,3) - confusing spacing for beginners imo :\ Maybe remake this part?
01:48:826 (1) - add clap
02:11:859 (1) - dont like long sliders like this :\ Maybe spinner here?
03:06:838 (2,3,4) - copypasta third time :\ Maybe remake?

[Normal]
Very strange first and third breaks :S

00:28:979 (5) - new combo begins here?

[Hard]

again this first third breaks :x
AR+1 maybe?

00:23:230 (5) - bend this slider?
00:24:348 (2) - ^
00:28:820 (4) - unstack? maybe something like this?
00:28:820 (4,5,6,7) - claps?
01:21:518 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - looks annoying :\ Maybe place it in other way?
01:42:917 (5,6) - add claps?
01:50:742 (1,2,3) - ^
01:50:742 (1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - place in other way too?
03:33:524 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - ^

Star! I miss old mapset like this <3
Good luck with rank!
Topic Starter
Behon
Bumping again. Can a MAT or BAT take a few minutes to look at this? I've been working on it for literally years, I've put dozens of mods and kudosu stars into it, and my patience is running thin.
Topic Starter
Behon
Bumping again. Can someone please look at this?
ztrot
your pms have been heard I'm on the case will reply and update this post with a mod in a bit.

[Overall]
I have no idea why no one has bothered to tell you to add some tags because there aren't any.

The timing seems fine but I do more than often hit about 7ms early if you know how to change all the offsets at once I would suggest doing that in the timing panel you canCtrl click multi timing sections to move them by a ms value other than being simplistic this map is fine get this stuff taken care of and I will start you on your way.

Edit: shazam!
Kodora

ztrot wrote:

I have no idea why no one has bothered to tell you to add some tags because there aren't any.
I already told about it, and about timing too.
Anyway, waiting for rank it. Good luck!
MMzz
Great song, great map.
Ranked!

ps I'm silly.
dkun
he's everything you wanttttttt
he's everything you neeeeeeed

you
are
amazing

congrats on the ranked map!
Dark_Ai
omedeto >w</

It is a really nice song :D
Kodora
Finally! Congratz, Behon! <3
Stefan
Holy crap Behonkiss
mancuso_JM_
Old School! <3333333333
Congratz man! ;)
starbuckslover
You have some perseverance there. ^^
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