Aqo wrote:
You're missing the point. Keeping those maps ranked today is a double standard and a slap in the face for many mappers today whose maps are fun for many players but apparently they're "unrankable".
Oh yeah, I go kill myself because I didn't joined osu! before 2011 to submit tons of one-diff-Mapsets QQqqQQqqQQ
Aqo wrote:
Reasons to care:
1. Right now old maps are a main resource of PP farming. Nearly all players in this game who lack the skill (yes there I said it, people are going to hate me, not giving a shit) to play maps that are actually contested by competitive players gain their rank by farming old maps that make no sense and getting top ranks on them, on the sole basis of "nobody else wants to play those maps", which makes them easy to top rank.
There is also this part of the Player/Community who does not give any Fuck about the Ranking. And please do not come with "But I do not talk about them." because they are not to be ignored.
Aqo wrote:
2. Old maps scare away new players. I don't care how many people say it's not true, I've personally known over 20 people who tried to get into osu, searched for songs that were popular around 2008~2010 (whether it was ops of animes that ran back then, or actually western music that no longer gets ranked today almost at all), ended up running into old ranked maps, and quickly thereafter quitting the game. The existence of those maps being ranked hurts the first impression this game gives to new players.
Wow, great, but ya know: Not every new player are like these 20 people. And by helping them to find eventually a newer Version of the Song where they played a older Map of it could avoid troubles. There is STILL the option to say "Hey, let's play some other Maps and some other songs". It's not like osu! got over 7,000 ranked Maps. And being picky is kinda bad in osu!. You don't know how often I searched a Song and ends that it is not mapped yet or mapped badly (however if ranked or not).
Aqo wrote:
Almost everything that revolves around "ranking" in this game is hugely biased and illogical, and the only reason it will never get fixed is because people are taking the "it was like this for a while and nobody is complaining, so it's fine", except people are complaining 24/7, at least until they realize they're speaking to a wall.
lel, give me examples. I've never read anything in the forum nor in chat.
Aqo wrote:
btw I'd just like to point one thing out, I think learning to play those weird timings that some old maps have does take a lot of skill (or at least, I tried and know how insanely hard it is in some cases) and respect the people who can actually perform very well on those maps. Winshley <3 your fullmod SS scores are some of the most impressive scores ever made for this game.
Dear god in heaven, why are you so sure that EVERY new player is going at the last pages to play old Maps?! They are enough player who start playing with the newest ranked Maps or playing something from 2010~2012 since osu! has there a lot of really famous Maps in this Time, obviously.
Aqo wrote:
The problem with old maps is that, mappers had no idea what they're doing.
Yes, and I am not against this statement. But this is one of the reasons why to keep them how they are. They should tell us (Advanced/Beginner Player/Mapper) how osu! were in the past, how simple they kept their Maps and how simply the rules were.
Anyway, let's think about it: We got a One-Diff-Mapset to a Song. With no Background, BPM is okay, Offset could be fixed for like +/- 10 and (almost) no Hitsounding. Good, now we decide to put a decent Background to the Map for the optic, and fixing the Timing to be exact. So what we have so far is a Map with a Background, the correct Timing, still one Diff and still no Hitsounding. And tell me now if it does change the fact that the Map "sucks". Because if you want that Beginner does not play the awkward old Maps you
had to change them directly like adding one more Diff, fixing Spacing, etc. and in other Words: You want the old Maps go away. And you know of course this won't work. Because of the reason which has been pointed enough times.
I mean, does the italian people comes to the Leaning Tower of Pisa and saying "Okay, we're going to build a straight version of the tower again and calling the other tower as 'The bad and old Tower of Pisa'"? Just because the tower sank to the ground due a base failure?