Dark Fang wrote:

awesome :OO

btw just saying.

[Rin]

00:15:064 - why do not you try use two 1/3 repeat slider 00:34:264 - like this. because music thus, the difficulty has been upsurge from 00:10:564 . Players should be adapt follow the difficulty. In the process, 1/3 circle pattern feel too hard. or reduce difficulty than current. IMO

Star~ \:D/

1. 00:11:914 (4) - Considering the movement required here, if you ctrl+g this it plays better.
2. 00:14:914 (4,5,1,1,2,3,1) - Eh, this is unreadable because of the hitbursts. You can't notice that the last object is a slider. I know it's your style to use overlaps to your advantage but this just doesn't work if you ask me. The flow here is bad.
3. 00:31:114 (4) - ctrl+g please, this jump breaks the flow.
4. 00:33:514 (4) - Same here. If you really don't want to, try reversing the slider 3 in these two cases then, it flows better and preserves already high spacing.
5. 01:12:864 (3,1) - This and all instances of this are actually quite a lot harder than it looks like, at least on mouse. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/593647 this is more classic but it flows well.
6. 02:31:189 (2) - Is this note really necessary?
7. 02:53:389 (2) - Bigger spacing here please, it's hard to read considering the fast pacing.
8. 03:02:989 (2) - This one is even more important, needs much bigger spacing.
9. 03:08:931 (2,3) - Visibility here needs to be better. Even on a still screenshot you won't notice the slider at a glance, you will really have to focus.

1. The hitsounds are quite low, might want to increase the volume a bit.
2. 00:32:389 (2) - This is very hard to notice, you should really try to make this more clear.
3. 00:32:914 (2) - This is barely noticeable, you really have no reason to stay in this area so much, there is a lot of free space around that you can use. This just plays awful.
4. 00:37:639 (3) - Incorrectly snapped.
5. 00:50:464 (1,2,1,2) - The spacing in combos like this should be different. It's really hard to tell for someone who doesn't know the song. There is really no reason to keep it absolutely the same. Goes for all of such patterns.
6. 01:00:514 (3) - This is almost 100% invisible on default skin during play.
7. 01:12:664 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Please, don't do things like this. This plays really poorly. If you already want to break the flow (which I have no idea why would you), at least make them visible. This is a part which should flow well because the music feels like it connects 2 parts, this is the complete opposite. Just check how you did 01:22:264 (1,2,3,1,2,3), this actually flows much better.
8. 01:16:864 (1,2,3,4,5) - It's impossible notice the 2nd object is a slider. Same goes for 02:53:164 (1,2,3,4,5) and every other occurence.
9. 01:51:064 (1,2,1) - This is really flow breaking and really awful to play. Why stack? This stack makes 0 sense.
10. 02:48:964 (1,2,3,1) - This is actually unreadable. There are many ways to make this work. There was a hitburst here so you should try repositioning this somewhere else, and don't just return to an already played note if possible, that flows bad. Check 02:58:564 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - for example, this is just a really good example on how to do this well.

lolcubes wrote:

Since I actually like the maps on the base level, I really don't like how certain patterns play in general, mostly cause they break the flow, and this is what kills this mapset for me. I have played through Rin and Skystar diff currently.
I will label things in red what absolutely must be changed no matter what. In regular black will be things that should probably get changed but don't just dismiss them without even considering the reason why am I suggesting that. I respect the style but sometimes I feel that it just doesn't work and should change because it impairs the playability without any good reason.

I'm getting offset 76~78 for this. I'll ask more to check, but keep it now because i'm pretty confident with the current one. (both listening and testing..)


[Rin]

1. 00:11:914 (4) - Considering the movement required here, if you ctrl+g this it plays better. Listen to the pitch, it goes E-C-E-C, that's why i use such a placement here (i admit, not in all parts, sometimes i have to break it for other reasons, 00:35:764 (2,3) - etc), you could check 00:12:964 (3,4) - too, i use a different way because the sound works different.
2. 00:14:914 (4,5,1,1,2,3,1) - Eh, this is unreadable because of the hitbursts. You can't notice that the last object is a slider. I know it's your style to use overlaps to your advantage but this just doesn't work if you ask me. The flow here is bad. http://puu.sh/1W65q http://puu.sh/1W675I The tail of the slider is obvious and as i could remember, such kind of overlap is fine. I don't mind a discuss about this, but won't change for now. Edit: if stack to 5, it makes the spacing quite weird.
3. 00:31:114 (4) - ctrl+g please, this jump breaks the flow. As explained before.
4. 00:33:514 (4) - Same here. If you really don't want to, try reversing the slider 3 in these two cases then, it flows better and preserves already high spacing. same.
5. 01:12:864 (3,1) - This and all instances of this are actually quite a lot harder than it looks like, at least on mouse. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/593647 this is more classic but it flows well. I'm pretty sure this change would break the feeling of those 1/3s (they should be in group not only combo colors, but also placements)
6. 02:31:189 (2) - Is this note really necessary? not. both way is fine to me
7. 02:53:389 (2) - Bigger spacing here please, it's hard to read considering the fast pacing. I think after the 1st kiai, players should already know this beat, also in the later stream, i want a effect that it flys very close to 2 http://puu.sh/1W6md, put it further may cause some problems.
8. 03:02:989 (2) - This one is even more important, needs much bigger spacing. I don't think so. When you're playing a pattern here, you should get how music plays here (it's the 4th time already)
9. 03:08:931 (2,3) - Visibility here needs to be better. Even on a still screenshot you won't notice the slider at a glance, you will really have to focus. http://puu.sh/1W6sw ..ehh..won't? For pros, focusing on such objects shouldn't be that hard (asked about 10 testplays but only 1 or 2 get 100 here.

In addition, there are a lot of moments where some jumps felt like they are forced, 02:54:364 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this whole combo kinda flows badly, and some other patterns are generally quite hidden, but I guess that's not that bad.

1. 00:36:964 (1) - the sliders before this get all steeper, but this suddenly flattens out... maybe start 00:36:064 (1) - flatter and make it so that 00:36:964 (1) - is the steepest?
2. 00:54:514 - it'd be nice to have something here, since the beat is pretty strong in this section (like you did at 02:11:314 (2) - )
3. 01:40:264 (3,4) - these feel awkwardly close, maybe move (3) left a little
4. 02:16:564 (4) - rotate this -15 degrees about itself? so that the diagonal symmetry is better
5. 02:40:714 (1,1) - these match beats in the music, but 02:42:514 (1,1) - these don't. I would use something different for the first two than for the last two, to distinguish them
6. 03:08:256 (3) - i would advise against hiding this... the spaced 1/4 immediately before it is already very challenging, the hidden note adds a LOT of reading strain
7. 03:22:147 (1,2,3,4) - i think this would better match the intensity of the music if it was tilted like your other symmetries

1. 00:32:764 (1,2) - really hard to read in an already intense section ;;
2. 01:01:114 (1,2) - i'm not sure if this is deliberate, but it's really misleading D:
3. 01:56:464 (6) - NC?
4. 02:39:664 (3) - the placement of this (and the following 1/4 sliders) look a little messy imo, maybe just space it from the rest of the stream with the stream's spacing? like http://puu.sh/1W9Kx
5. 03:04:110 (1,2,3) - this concealed backtracking may confuse players a lot. I like the backtracking flow, but i suggest putting it somewhere where it's more visible
6. 03:27:388 (3,4) - i expected (3) to be where (4) was... because the preceding part 03:26:510 (1,2,1,2) - establishes clockwise rotation

RLC wrote:

mod :3

[Rin]

1. 00:36:964 (1) - the sliders before this get all steeper, but this suddenly flattens out... maybe start 00:36:064 (1) - flatter and make it so that 00:36:964 (1) - is the steepest? Just for the best visual effect imo.. nothing really special here.
2. 00:54:514 - it'd be nice to have something here, since the beat is pretty strong in this section (like you did at 02:11:314 (2) - ) whatever.. added.
3. 01:40:264 (3,4) - these feel awkwardly close, maybe move (3) left a little it may looks like that... but when design, i checked the beginning of these sliders.. Don't have better ideas yet.
4. 02:16:564 (4) - rotate this -15 degrees about itself? so that the diagonal symmetry is better ...not that much... if you have to say, it's like 5 degrees
5. 02:40:714 (1,1) - these match beats in the music, but 02:42:514 (1,1) - these don't. I would use something different for the first two than for the last two, to distinguish them yep, this makes sense, i just didn't find a better way to solve it. Between constanly 1/4s it's kinda hard to do ...
6. 03:08:256 (3) - i would advise against hiding this... the spaced 1/4 immediately before it is already very challenging, the hidden note adds a LOT of reading strain maybe...? this needs more test for it.
7. 03:22:147 (1,2,3,4) - i think this would better match the intensity of the music if it was tilted like your other symmetries considered to slow down it... anyway not much time before the BPM-decreasing part.

Amamiya Yuko wrote:

hi, I can play it with HD without any problem. Oh well I'm just the difficulty's creator so I know that the all hidden patterns, right?

NatsumeRin wrote:

When you're commenting some notes "unreadable", try to think a bit more if it's a technical problem, or just "hard to see", this is quite different.

Hitcircles must never be hidden under slidertracks. Whether a hitcircle is partially or completely under a slidertrack, it is confusing for the player to read. Insane difficulties are the only exception to this rule.

Snowy Dream wrote:

这个Rin diff真是比利己主义难多了 差评

goodbye wrote:

[RLC]
01:24:670 (2,3) - how about Interchanging the positon to follow the flow the flow right now is all counterclockwise for that part, so i'll keep those two notes where they are
01:27:520 (5,6) - the pattern is not such good i like the sharp movement to end the kiai

goodbye wrote:

[Easy]
00:00:970 (1,2) - 一上来这边可能会不太好抓住节奏，换成slider? 能坑点pc就更好了。。slider其实也无不可就是
00:16:870 (2) - 左右其实长得差不多，干嘛不直接对称……因为spacing和角度，可以治疗颈椎病
01:02:470 (2) - 延长1/2?嘛打起来确实也没问题就是 Easy不是很敢搞花的

[Normal]
00:30:070 (1) - 靠这么近还加个变速有点坑 感觉不得已。。

[Hard]
00:31:870 (3) - 不好看 冤枉


[Skystar]
00:41:020 (3,4,5,6) - 歪了 稍微修正了
01:15:370 (3) - NC一发？有点看不清（擦了擦眼镜 估计没办法

[Rin]
01:16:420 (4,5,6,1) - 歪了 好
01:43:270 (1,2,3,4,5) - 歪成这样能见人？ 本意就是歪的不要不服
01:51:970 (2,3,1) - 间距有点不太好看 好了一点应该

[Pokie]
02:21:520 (1,2,3) - 感觉无论是整体的位置也好还是3的位置也好都有点小失误

看完感觉我的近视度数加了，我觉得为了广大modder的眼睛着想你还是快点找MAT吧

NatsumeRin wrote:

it's possible (just would be hard to get XATs.....)

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