and somehow he magically gets >95% on OD10 consistently. go figure.JappyBabes wrote:
all he knows is 'there's a circle and i press it'. he so good.
and somehow he magically gets >95% on OD10 consistently. go figure.JappyBabes wrote:
all he knows is 'there's a circle and i press it'. he so good.
actually he has a bunch of those lolsilmarilen wrote:
he got a hd hr 1 sliderbreak on atama 0108 diff once
Niko is definitely #2 for me. He can stream better than WW ever could and can get his scores without retrying hundreds of times. He is fast and accurate, if he still had a tablet, I believe he would have the potential to surpass Cookiezi, which neither WW nor rrtyui could do imo.silmarilen wrote:
top4 is obviously cookiezi niko rrtyui and white wolf but order of 2-4 is debatable.
??Zarerion wrote:
Niko is definitely #2 for me. He can stream better than WW ever could and can get his scores without retrying hundreds of times. He is fast and accurate, if he still had a tablet, I believe he would have the potential to surpass Cookiezi, which neither WW nor rrtyui could do imo.
he's playing mouse again after Poland lost in owc, he only borrowed the tablet for the tournamentAqo wrote:
??Zarerion wrote:
Niko is definitely #2 for me. He can stream better than WW ever could and can get his scores without retrying hundreds of times. He is fast and accurate, if he still had a tablet, I believe he would have the potential to surpass Cookiezi, which neither WW nor rrtyui could do imo.
Niko has been back to playing on tablet for quite a while now, and he doesn't do any better with neither peripheral. Skill at jumps boils down to reading speed, not to what you use.
so those tablet plays on his youtube from 4 days ago are whatZarerion wrote:
he's playing mouse again after Poland lost in owc, he only borrowed the tablet for the tournament
I kind of agree with this, perhaps Kanye could make #1 worth 25 points (down to a #15 vote being worth 10?).Silynn wrote:
I think some who deserve top 25 will end up being left out due to the vote limitation
Why is it capped at 15?
He didn't do much 2012, reallythose wrote:
I'm seeing too few val0108 votes
Skill at jumps boils down to reading speed, sure (sidenote: wow Aqo that is such a thing you would say), but the general consensus (I personally agree with this) is that it's much easier to acquire/be consistent with that skill on a tablet (absolute tracking vs. relative tracking debate). But no one reply to this, I'll abide per Silynn's appropriate request to not turn this into a mouse vs. tablet discussion, just had to put my opinion out there at least once.Aqo wrote:
??Zarerion wrote:
Niko is definitely #2 for me. He can stream better than WW ever could and can get his scores without retrying hundreds of times. He is fast and accurate, if he still had a tablet, I believe he would have the potential to surpass Cookiezi, which neither WW nor rrtyui could do imo.
Niko has been back to playing on tablet for quite a while now, and he doesn't do any better with neither peripheral. Skill at jumps boils down to reading speed, not to what device you use. People should stop assuming mouse takes more skill because it simply doesn't.
also,
- Hakurei Reimu- anybody? Why don't I see this name mentioned anywhere, this player is insanely good at everything.
TTTL hasn't played nearly enough in 2012 to be considered, I think that's why. He definitely is an amazing player, though.Tanzklaue wrote:
TTTL doesn't have much else though, he is probably top 15, but not top 5.Purple wrote:
TTTL has some unique DT scores, so you could -maybe- argue that hes better than one of them, but it'd be pretty hard.
Dude those I love you more every day.those wrote:
If you get 100% on a math test without a calculator and your friend gets 100% on the same math test with a calculator, who is more skilled?Wishy wrote:
If you are pro mouse player and get FC on Airman, then tablet player comes and gets FC too. Who's got the best score? None, they are both as good, the mouse player shouldn't be considered better just because he is mouse.
The problem is that, what you've been saying this whole thread, that how a player achieves a score has nothing to do with how they should be considered relative to others who achieve the score a different way...that is 100% your opinion, as well.Wishy wrote:
This is not about opinions it's about people not understanding what being a top player means. And it's not that I THINK A TOP PLAYER IS THIS, a top player is an elite player whose one of the best (overall), that's it, doesn't matter if you think XXX should be considered a top player because OMG he can do hard stuff on mouse (assuming he is not even close to top players).
After giving this some thought, I think I might do this using YouTube's toggleable annotation system. Some people would prefer not to have these descriptions, either because they already know of each players' strengths, or perhaps because they don't care, or maybe even because the onscreen obtrusion may just be annoying. This is all up to Kanye's approval, of course.-GN wrote:
Just a question: does the order of the lists count? If so, what counting system are you guys using?
Also a minor suggestion, too - what about adding a tiny description, no more than 2-3 words telling the viewers what exactly makes the currently shown user a candidate for this list? Not every user around knows who the people on the list is. I could see this being hard to come up with, though.
Thanks.
>says results are objective and shouldn't have anything to do with opinionWishy wrote:
Results are objective, not opinions.
I understand your concerns, subjective superlativity definitely isn't the best way to rank players, and especially not with open public polls. But I guess the underlying purpose of the video isn't to definitively say "player A is better than player B" but rather just show all osu! players, both new and old, some amazing plays by amazing players that happened in 2012. The ranking is just to make things more interesting and give some overall perspective and closure to the year by gauging how the community thought players performed relative to each other. It wouldn't really be fun if we just had random pro player replays in no specific order in a video. I remember watching the best players of 2010 video when I first joined, and rather than thinking, "I know who is better than who", I thought, "these are some amazing replays and I hope I can reach this level." And yes, with a top 25, some deserving players are going to be left out, but that's just how life works.KRZY wrote:
Also, I personally think we're past the period where we can give 'subjective superlativity' (is this even right) to players. For example:Now, if someone asked me to rank all the players I've mentioned, I'd just give up.
- Cookiezi and White Wolf are not comparable (by not comparable I mean you can't say one is better than the other). Cookiezi is a complete player, and surpasses White Wolf in a number of departments, but when it comes to dirty maps, White Wolf has the edge.
- Niko, Rucker, and Clementine are not comparable. The three players have similar base skills, but different specialties: Niko does DoubleTimes, Rucker doesn't miss targets, and Clementine...does weird shit.
- rrtyui, SnowWhite, thelewa, and Remilia-Scarlet are all somewhat in their own group. rrtyui is like Cookiezi in 2011, SnowWhite has class, and thelewa is probably the most accurate player (with mods; without mods, mugio3 would put up a great fight) of all time, and Remilia-Scarlet the fastest.
EDIT: deleted part of post on request
Being good at DT means being good at everything. DT is the hardest mod by far, which basically makes /everything/ harder.Zexous wrote:
Also - Hakurei Reimu- is really only good at DT, refute me with evidence if you think I'm wrong.
Wishy wrote:
Results are objective, not opinions.
'the fuck you saying, dude? Sorry to say but you really dropped the ball there and broke the camels back. You really seem adamant about your own votes since you are ready to argue them to death if you have to. If you really want concrete results, why not simply list each and every map the top 30 of your best players have a score on, crosscheck them and calculate the average rank and BAM! There you have at least your so desired top 15 IN PRISTINE FORM, WHICH CAN NOT BE ARGUED ABOUT.Wishy wrote:
you linked two scores I think Cookiezi can easily achieve nowadays.
Next time, just vote for a jury to come to a consensus on the best ten or 15 players and you can all hold hands in a circle and sing... whatever you feel like singing.Kanye West wrote:
that's just how life works.
Yeah this is probably right. Whatever comes out will not be and should not be taken as objective.Kanye West wrote:
I understand your concerns, subjective superlativity definitely isn't the best way to rank players, and especially not with open public polls. But I guess the underlying purpose of the video isn't to definitively say "player A is better than player B" but rather just show all osu! players, both new and old, some amazing plays by amazing players that happened in 2012. The ranking is just to make things more interesting and give some overall perspective and closure to the year by gauging how the community thought players performed relative to each other. It wouldn't really be fun if we just had random pro player replays in no specific order in a video. I remember watching the best players of 2010 video when I first joined, and rather than thinking, "I know who is better than who", I thought, "these are some amazing replays and I hope I can reach this level." And yes, with a top 25, some deserving players are going to be left out, but that's just how life works.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAqo wrote:
Being good at DT means being good at everything. DT is the hardest mod by far, which basically makes /everything/ harder.
I asked Reimu Hakurei to playtest some maps for me and they were a complete breeze for him nomod, he instantly added HR afterwards and did well with it too. He even tried to DT a 230bpm map once D: (which didn't go well but lol)
It's just the kind of player who prefers to play Sacrifice Death and not ranked maps so you don't see a lot of ranked scores from him, but he's in fact very good and solid.
nopSoly wrote:
1. Cookiezi
2. White Wolf
White wolf takes the #2 spot by a fucking galaxy...
It is true that being able ot play all types of DT means all you might be lacking is some aim while playing high CS (some DTs are harder than OD 10).Zexous wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAqo wrote:
Being good at DT means being good at everything. DT is the hardest mod by far, which basically makes /everything/ harder.
I asked Reimu Hakurei to playtest some maps for me and they were a complete breeze for him nomod, he instantly added HR afterwards and did well with it too. He even tried to DT a 230bpm map once D: (which didn't go well but lol)
It's just the kind of player who prefers to play Sacrifice Death and not ranked maps so you don't see a lot of ranked scores from him, but he's in fact very good and solid.
Did you forget about *cough* the other 3 skill mods that exist in this game (and might as well mention EZ too)?
The statement "Being good at DT means being good at everything" is probably THE MOST bigoted statement I have ever seen in this community EVER. Saying DT is the hardest mod is also rather biased, but at least it has some basis, but saying someone whose strength is DT and only DT is somehow a Cookiezi-level jack-of-all-trades is downright conceited and ignorant.
This postKRZY wrote:
Also, I personally think we're past the period where we can give 'subjective superlativity' (is this even right) to players.
Sir ethox you deserve a knighthood for this.ethox wrote:
Next time, just vote for a jury to come to a consensus on the best ten or 15 players and you can all hold hands in a circle and sing... whatever you feel like singing.
I mean no disrespect against anybody but damn you guys are being idiotic over here.
http://puu.sh/1NGwO
people would still complain about itLaVolpe024 wrote:
Sir ethox you deserve a knighthood for this.ethox wrote:
Next time, just vote for a jury to come to a consensus on the best ten or 15 players and you can all hold hands in a circle and sing... whatever you feel like singing.
I mean no disrespect against anybody but damn you guys are being idiotic over here.
http://puu.sh/1NGwO
facepalm'd so hard.Zexous wrote:
Did you forget about *cough* the other 3 skill mods that exist in this game (and might as well mention EZ too)?
The statement "Being good at DT means being good at everything" is probably THE MOST bigoted statement I have ever seen in this community EVER. Saying DT is the hardest mod is also rather biased, but at least it has some basis, but saying someone whose strength is DT and only DT is somehow a Cookiezi-level jack-of-all-trades is downright conceited and ignorant.