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Top 25 Players of 2012 (osu! Standard) Discussion Thread

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AdonixSS

Kanye West wrote:

Yes, order counts. I'm going by a point system, 15 points for #1 to 1 point for #15, etc.
Personally, I don't think linear-scale scoring should be adopted.

For example, if the scores are very tight between #1 and #2, any extreme cases will make the interval between two of them disperse. In case an extreme vote puts #2 into #10, #2 will eventually lost 10 marks, whereas each vote #1 and #2 ideally should have only an interval of 1 mark. #2 will suffer a great loss of marks. Deviation will then be resulted.

I know that it is very difficult to create an absolutely just score method, but i hope it could be a reference to make the result more objective. And I am really looking forward to the video :D
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Kanye West

AdonixSS wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Yes, order counts. I'm going by a point system, 15 points for #1 to 1 point for #15, etc.
Personally, I don't think linear-scale scoring should be adopted.

For example, if the scores are very tight between #1 and #2, any extreme cases will make the interval between two of them disperse. In case an extreme vote puts #2 into #10, #2 will eventually lost 10 marks, whereas each vote #1 and #2 ideally should have only an interval of 1 mark. #2 will suffer a great loss of marks. Deviation will then be resulted.

I know that it is very difficult to create an absolutely just score method, but i hope it could be a reference to make the result more objective. And I am really looking forward to the video :D
If you know a specific method that works better, please share.
thelewa
millhioref honey pls delete my post in the other thread after you think lesslunatic has seen it

I'm too lazy
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Kanye West
Millhiore is not your personal janitor

he's mine

just kidding
Aqo

Kanye West wrote:

If you know a specific method that works better, please share.
Make a pool of the 30 most voted players, send them all PMs asking to give scoreboards of their 10 most impressive plays in their own opinion, do a re-voting for picking 15 out of those 30 based on only the scores they all chose for themselves.

This would actually narrow does diversity of people not knowing wtf they're voting for and make the final results a lot more accurate.

is it even 15 or 25 25 would be better
MillhioreF
I am everyone's janitor. The world is my floor, and I am the mop.

Also, seriously guys, I'm not actually good at playing, I can just read really low AR and that's it. In terms of actual skill I'm probably around rank 2000.
Jordan

JAKACHAN wrote:

Purple wrote:

Shadowsoul has a few DT + HR and approved map scores. Give the guy a break, hes not as completely useless as you think he is.
And his ridiculous DT + HR's are exactly why whether he is legit or not is questioned.
dt+hr is not really that hard, play 1-2 days of that and you'll get used to it. Being able to play DT+HR doesn't make someone insta-pro
ethox
While you insist on insulting one another, please remember this:

Bertrand Russell wrote:

One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision
If you do not understand the meaning, refrain of criticizing others' votes. Opinions are not meant to fought about, they are meant to be understood.
Maneuver

Aqo wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

If you know a specific method that works better, please share.
Make a pool of the 30 most voted players, send them all PMs asking to give scoreboards of their 10 most impressive plays in their own opinion, do a re-voting for picking 15 out of those 30 based on only the scores they all chose for themselves.

This would actually narrow does diversity of people not knowing wtf they're voting for and make the final results a lot more accurate.

is it even 15 or 25 25 would be better
After narrowing it down, ask them vs each other using owc standard would be better ?
Zare

Maneuver wrote:

After narrowing it down, ask them vs each other using owc standard would be better ?
I don't think this should be a competition, but a community poll.
thelewa

ethox wrote:

While you insist on insulting one another, please remember this:

Bertrand Russell wrote:

One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision
If you do not understand the meaning, refrain of criticizing others' votes. Opinions are not meant to fought about, they are meant to be understood.
ethox is the coolest guy
-GN

Kanye West wrote:

As for that second part, you mean in the video?
Yeah, sorry for not specifying - I meant putting it in the actual video.

I had imagined the words showing up simultaneously with the list rank number(if you're doing what LL did in the 2010 video, small pauses with black screens + number). I don't know. Just a thought.
Yarissa
All I want is one person to vote for me. Then I can die happy.
Macacito
i only got one vote waaat
Defacer
Main problem is the overall syndrome of ignorance in the people of the world, and let me explain why players have different skill level understandings.

By saying overall ignorance I am directly referring to the very well known event in life called popularity.Most of the people listen to Nicki Minaj and other shits just because it's mainstream and everyone knows it and it's easily listenable.Imagine now the person is listening to Nicki Minaj, ALTHOUGH he has a potential of being a Metallica fan if he actually knew the existence of the group (thats a stupid example but I guess you get my point).In osu! THE MASS players have a skill level of comprehension of Hard difficulty maps in the best case, now they don't really even download approved maps, and don't search for general hard type maps like maps from BMS.Their map folder is consisted of most likely 70 % Nightcore and 30 % Vocaloid/Touhou.Now they don't enter the performance ranking section, or even if they do they don't remember anything from it, they aren't serious about osu! at all, BUT what they remember is how when they play their HARD difficulty nightcore map, some names just repeated in their head like ShadowSoul being always #1, so basically that's the only player they think it's the best since it's always #1 on the maps THEY play, and immediately make an assumption ''ohmahgod, shadowsoul so pro he SS my sexy hard nightcore I cant even A rank'' and they don't care the someone named Cookiezi did an SS on a map they don't even have in their folders(airman).

that was the main problem

Now there are those type of people, I am sure you've met them before in real life too, they are a little more serious about osu!, most likely because of their gaming nature, and they probably even watched the previous top2011 video and actually keep track of what's going on but they are self-delusional and use every piece of information they have in the wrong way(usually using outdated or not confirmed information).And the example is voting for Remillia-Scarlet or SiLViA, they are doing that because they are aware R-S is the BESTEST STREAMERZ and Silvia is a inhuman mouse players, but those aren't even active players anymore and can't be included in the top2012 at all.

those two groups were the bad groups, from now here - only opinions...

Basically it's known that Cookiezi is the best, I fucking hate mainstream shits and exaggerated claims, but this is the goddamn true, and I don't see anyone's REMOTE LOGIC when saying WW or anyone else is better.I personally have an idol in the name of rrtyui at this point of my osu! progress, but I just bow to Cookiezi for being the best( he is just too god to even dream I can be like him ;DDD).

I would say that the obligatory top3 is Cookiezi,Niko,rrtyui.

No hate on SS or WW, I think they are great players which deserve respect for the massive skill and the great effort put in that game, I also think the same for Sette and many other players who are known to get overrated by the system but underrated by the community.
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Kanye West

Aqo wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

If you know a specific method that works better, please share.
Make a pool of the 30 most voted players, send them all PMs asking to give scoreboards of their 10 most impressive plays in their own opinion, do a re-voting for picking 15 out of those 30 based on only the scores they all chose for themselves.

This would actually narrow does diversity of people not knowing wtf they're voting for and make the final results a lot more accurate.

is it even 15 or 25 25 would be better
At this point you already have a top 25, why do an entire revote just to maybe change the order a little? You'd basically make everyone revote again, put more work on the mods to watch the thread again and me to make another spreadsheet xD

If there turns out to be a huge anomaly in the result, then I might consider doing this. But for now, I think the system I'm going to use is fine (which is basically the same as lesslunatic's last year).

-GN wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

As for that second part, you mean in the video?
Yeah, sorry for not specifying - I meant putting it in the actual video.

I had imagined the words showing up simultaneously with the list rank number(if you're doing what LL did in the 2010 video, small pauses with black screens + number). I don't know. Just a thought.
I'll forward this to Zexous and see what he thinks.
Wishy
If you get some shit that can be compared to ShaggoN getting a higher rank than Rucker just change it w/o saying a thing hueuheuh.
Topic Starter
Kanye West
I always had the impression that ShaggoN actually was better than Rucker from watching that video (at least in 2010)
but I don't know, I wasn't around in 2010
Wishy
I don't even remember ShaggoN playing that much while Rucker was pretty much the only player who fought Cookiezi on many maps most people could not even dare to play.
silmarilen
who is this "thelawa" scorpiour is putting on his 3rd place?
thelewa
lol damn
Scorpiour
ouch sorry fixed T.T
Aqo
Does anybody seriously think the top 4 are not Cookiezi, Niko, White Wolf, rrtyui?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/133938&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/144029&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/157321?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/94416&m=0

Find any other contender for top 4 who can do any of this /at all/, even with infinite retries.
ryza
How can they be the top 4 when lily-kun is #1

also why is no one voting lily-kun best of 2012
JappyBabes

Aqo wrote:

Does anybody seriously think the top 4 are not Cookiezi, Niko, White Wolf, rrtyui?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/133938&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/144029&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/157321?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/94416&m=0

Find any other contender for top 4 who can do any of this /at all/, even with infinite retries.
lold
Aqo

JappyBabes wrote:

ww
so getting 95% on Forgotten [grumd] after several months break is nothing yup ok, and then setting some top scores easily with zero effort

look at his profile and look at his top ranks from 3-1 weeks ago. everything either top5 great acc hardest mods of other top scores, or the-only-DT-on-scoreboard.

also all of the plays he did in 2012 before his big break, like http://osu.ppy.sh/b/64267&m=0 and http://osu.ppy.sh/b/132466&m=0 and many more. find me other people who are not cookie, niko, or rrt, who can go ahead and match this.

or are you judging him because of that bad-play 67% nf on big money right when he came back from his break? that's like saying that cookiezi is bad because he failed on talent shredder in a random play right after his break. this doesn't show anything, guys took a break, pls

the votes in the vote thread make me cringe, most of the voters seem to not even know any players at all
Purple

Aqo wrote:

Does anybody seriously think the top 4 are not Cookiezi, Niko, White Wolf, rrtyui?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/133938&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/144029&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/157321?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/94416&m=0

Find any other contender for top 4 who can do any of this /at all/, even with infinite retries.
TTTL has some unique DT scores, so you could -maybe- argue that hes better than one of them, but it'd be pretty hard.
Tanzklaue

Purple wrote:

Aqo wrote:

Does anybody seriously think the top 4 are not Cookiezi, Niko, White Wolf, rrtyui?

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/133938&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/144029&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/157321?m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/94416&m=0

Find any other contender for top 4 who can do any of this /at all/, even with infinite retries.
TTTL has some unique DT scores, so you could -maybe- argue that hes better than one of them, but it'd be pretty hard.
TTTL doesn't have much else though, he is probably top 15, but not top 5.
JappyBabes

Aqo wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

ww
look at his profile and look at his top ranks from 3-1 weeks ago. everything either top5 great acc hardest mods of other top scores, or the-only-DT-on-scoreboard.

also all of the plays he did in 2012 before his big break, like http://osu.ppy.sh/b/64267&m=0 and http://osu.ppy.sh/b/132466&m=0 and many more. find me other people who are not cookie, niko, or rrt, who can go ahead and match this.
first one, TTTL+AIDIA+sasakure all have 'the-only-DT-on-scoreboard' on maps that ww can only dream of playing let alone reading. second, h4ppyst1ck, and i'm sure a few others, can match those. he just never plays. not see why setting random scores makes him worthy
silmarilen
h4ppyst1ck has an almost fc DT on nuclear fusion and he has a higher score/combo than rrtyui on handlebars
Aqo
I'm talking to h4ppyst1ck right now and he's completely clueless about top player voting or who's good. It's funny :b the guy has some of the most amazing speed and precision of all players, he gets S on talent shredder with HR in a random play, gets over 90% on 270bpm streamjump maps that have OD8, passes maps on first try effortlessly that top50 players struggle to consistently pass with retries. owo just doesn't farm ranks
he's the guy who got the closest to passing Nafar's G-Garden besides Cookiezi.
JappyBabes

Aqo wrote:

I'm talking to h4ppyst1ck right now and he's completely clueless about top player voting or who's good. It's funny :b the guy has some of the most amazing speed and precision of all players, he gets S on talent shredder with HR in a random play, gets over 90% on 270bpm streamjump maps that have OD8, passes maps on first try effortlessly that top50 players struggle to consistently pass with retries. owo
all he knows is 'there's a circle and i press it'. he so good.
Aqo

JappyBabes wrote:

all he knows is 'there's a circle and i press it'. he so good.
and somehow he magically gets >95% on OD10 consistently. go figure.
silmarilen
getting a 95% on OD10 isnt that special, i can do that too.
the difficulty of the maps he does it on makes it impressive

he got a hd hr 1 sliderbreak on atama 0108 diff once
Purple
Aqo

silmarilen wrote:

he got a hd hr 1 sliderbreak on atama 0108 diff once
actually he has a bunch of those lol
Mismagius
I love how some cookiefags in the thread don't even include WW in their list just because "hurrhurr he didn't beat cookiezi in big black therefore he sucks and is a farmer"

No flame intended with this post, seriously. But it's really annoying to see people not even include one of the best players out there.

(And don't even start with the inactivity stuff, WW did many impressive scores this year (most of them in the WubWoofWolf acc, sadly) and he truly deserves being in the top as much as cookiezi does lol)

And cookie forever #1, the guy is a damn beast.
silmarilen
top4 is obviously cookiezi niko rrtyui and white wolf but order of 2-4 is debatable.
Mismagius
by list I mean top 10 or even 15, not top 5 lol
silmarilen
yeah but i mean even if they dont include him in the top4 is already stupid
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