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anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

0_o wrote:

EDIT: oh yeah, please NEVER EVER EVER EVER put a kick slider at the bottom of a long stack like THIS map. How the crap that got ranked I have no idea...
I've only played DJPop's and I don't remember sliders there. Do you mean Lunatic? /me looks.

EDIT: Wha? I'm totally fine with that. =]

LuigiHann wrote:

It only really bothers me when there are multiple such sliders in the same map, which each have a different number of repeats, so you can never get used to it.
I have to agree somewhat. I am fine if two similar patterns have different repeat lengths. But with very near repeating etnas, I require them all to be the same length unless it's very clear otherwise (hint: it's not).

lukewarmholiday wrote:

I point out dumb slider repeats when modding.
Moi aussi.

I'm fine with repeating sliders like in the latter part of Red Sign. I'm fine with them in general. But, as I said, if they have different lengths and are very near each other, they should die.
awp
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awp
If it's at the end of a combo (ie nothing following immediately after) then I'm cool with it. Otherwise I complain, though I don't think it's mandatory to change. Just, kinda lame.
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
i dont like it aswell the tripple stack that dont belong into the music
mm201
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4,495 posts
Joined August 2008
mm201
BZZT sliders are generally lame and should only be used in frantic maps.

The longerish but still short ones can be confusing, but there's an easy trick: just stay on the slider and start watching the approach circle of the next note. Jump to it as late as you can.

The BZZT sliders are also unbalanced since they jack up your Kiai bar to full really quickly.

(Sometimes this is appropriate if there's one of them right after a long, nearly fatal deathstream/jumpy part. Again, only on frantic maps.)
DaRRi
267 posts
Joined January 2009
DaRRi
yeah new mappers tend to like using that
it's confusing and not cool
GladiOol
4,475 posts
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GladiOol
If that is how the mapper wants to map, and it's rankable then stop nagging already.
I map in my way, you map in your way, everybody does it diffrent wether you like it or not.
So what you have to retry, that's your mistake that you missed it.
~
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old
Maps should be fun. I want to play fun maps. Horrible use of sliders with repeats makes a map less fun.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Joined June 2008
Yuukari-Banteki

Gladi wrote:

If that is how the mapper wants to map, and it's rankable then stop nagging already.
I map in my way, you map in your way, everybody does it diffrent wether you like it or not.
So what you have to retry, that's your mistake that you missed it.
~
theres a difference between "rankable" and "good" and its ALWAYS a good idea to at least point out something that can move a map from one category to the other. If they choose not to, their loss. Also dont assume that *you* know what the mapper *wants* cus thats just retarded~
GladiOol
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GladiOol

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Gladi wrote:

If that is how the mapper wants to map, and it's rankable then stop nagging already.
I map in my way, you map in your way, everybody does it diffrent wether you like it or not.
So what you have to retry, that's your mistake that you missed it.
~
theres a difference between "rankable" and "good" and its ALWAYS a good idea to at least point out something that can move a map from one category to the other. If they choose not to, their loss. Also dont assume that *you* know what the mapper *wants* cus thats just retarded~
Still there are appearently maps with these 'horrible' sliders, but they got ranked? By bats like you and others?
So apprearently it DO is rankable, in other words, quit whining please and play.
You are not to decide whats fun for the whole community.
I've never had any problems with some crazy ass slider repeating.
lukewarmholiday
2,148 posts
Joined June 2008
lukewarmholiday

Gladi wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Gladi wrote:

If that is how the mapper wants to map, and it's rankable then stop nagging already.
I map in my way, you map in your way, everybody does it diffrent wether you like it or not.
So what you have to retry, that's your mistake that you missed it.
~
theres a difference between "rankable" and "good" and its ALWAYS a good idea to at least point out something that can move a map from one category to the other. If they choose not to, their loss. Also dont assume that *you* know what the mapper *wants* cus thats just retarded~
Still there are appearently maps with these 'horrible' sliders, but they got ranked? By bats like you and others?
So apprearently it DO is rankable, in other words, quit whining please and play.
You are not to decide whats fun for the whole community.
I've never had any problems with some crazy ass slider repeating.
And some people do have problems. Just because you have no problems with repeats is no reason or you to say "YUR ALL JUS BABIES"
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki

Gladi wrote:

Still there are appearently maps with these 'horrible' sliders, but they got ranked? By bats like you and others?
So apprearently it DO is rankable, in other words, quit whining please and play.
You are not to decide whats fun for the whole community.
I've never had any problems with some crazy ass slider repeating.

??? when did i say they were UNRANKABLE? I said they were rankable, just not good :< please learn to read properly
Mogsy
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Gladi wrote:

Still there are appearently maps with these 'horrible' sliders, but they got ranked? By bats like you and others?
So apprearently it DO is rankable, in other words, quit whining please and play.
You are not to decide whats fun for the whole community.
I've never had any problems with some crazy ass slider repeating.

??? when did i say they were UNRANKABLE? I said they were rankable, just not good :< please learn to read properly
Personally, I still think that if something sticks out as not good/fun, we should point that out, too. Maps that are ranked should reach their full potential and knowingly keeping in things that aren't good hinders that.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki

Mogsworth wrote:

Personally, I still think that if something sticks out as not good/fun, we should point that out, too. Maps that are ranked should reach their full potential and knowingly keeping in things that aren't good hinders that.
that is pretty much exactly what i said in my initial post. good > rankable even if rankable is well....rankable
DaRRi
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Joined January 2009
DaRRi
the extremely short ones with a large number of repeats are easy to read and sometimes kool
others are confusing, usually we have better alternative for them, mappers better avoid using too many short repeat sliders with random number of repeats to make their maps BETTER THAN RANKABLE imo
Mogsy
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Mogsy
That's pretty much the idea, Darri. A random number of repeats on kick sliders just flows like a river of bricks and plays more awkwardly than a piano with half of the keys missing. Then again, if people honestly have no idea as to how many repeats they should have, the people modding the map need to point that out and have them fix it.
Larto
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Larto
If it plays badly, it's not good.
GladiOol
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GladiOol
I'll just stfu already, my opinion 'bout this get's misheard & misreaded and the turn of events have come over me.
lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday
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anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

Larto wrote:

If it plays badly, it's not good.
Yes, but it's subjective.

This is why the modding and ranking systems (I don't believe they are one just yet) are as they are: multiple people with different viewpoints look at the same content and judge.

Gladi may be okay with a certain slider, but someone else may not. It's the mapper's decision on what he does with his own map.
DaRRi
267 posts
Joined January 2009
DaRRi

strager wrote:

Larto wrote:

If it plays badly, it's not good.
Yes, but it's subjective.

This is why the modding and ranking systems (I don't believe they are one just yet) are as they are: multiple people with different viewpoints look at the same content and judge.

Gladi may be okay with a certain slider, but someone else may not. It's the mapper's decision on what he does with his own map.
still i say usually there're better alternative for them, true it's mapper's decision, but some viewpoints can't be called 'subjective', mapper should fix what is really 'bad'
we can't say 'different people have different ideas' under the case that even there're 100 people like how LEMON TREE is mapped.
i think, if something is objectively bad, it's just bad, no matter how many people would say 'i like it'
anonymous_old
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There's no such thing as "objectively bad," IMO.

Subjectivity often doesn't play a role in ranking, which is one reason why I brought it up. Ranked maps aren't supposed to be "good" in a subjective sense (because that is, well, subjective).

Things like Lemon Tree are objectively bad and that can be looked at by a computer as "shit." A computer is only as good as its programmer, though (no offense to the dev's of course), so objectivity can't be completely encapsulated in a program.

Remember, ranking isn't about like/dislike; it's about sticking to the criteria. BAT's filter maps; they don't move them into ranking.
DaRRi
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DaRRi
most players can tell good quality maps from poor ones ;)
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
not necessarily - I've seen some gross breakings of very basic ranking guidelines that somehow the ordinary mods have completely failed to notice.
Gabi
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Gabi
eh, i dont see a problem with them if they follow a certain tone/beat or are divided by 2 or 4 on a certain beat/rythm.

i'd like an example of a map like this to see what you mean. i haven't seen any kind of kick sliders abuse (well maybe in one or 2 maps) recently.
Real1
968 posts
Joined September 2008
Real1
A few are ok, as long as they fit. They can be good for variation, too. Let's say a map has many triplets, clicking in all of those may become repetitive and tedious, adding a repeating slider now and then makes the pattern less repetitive. Abusing them though, is like Gens said... A big no no.
SkyE-
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SkyE-
Some of the '07-'08 maps have, Gabi xD

Though we all know that it's up to the mapper to map their songs, not every mapper will have the same standards as others =) It's easy enough to make something in a beatmap, but it's a hard thing to make something in a beatmap good.

For my sake, and then entire osu! community, people won't abuse the repeats xD But... things don't just happen. Give it some time, and the osu! standards of mapping will rise to a place where there will be no abusive mapping, and (if you've been following the hit-circle colour thread as well) there won't be any dark on dark xD I like to think of it as: "Opposites attract" OR "Being racist is good" LOL!
CheeseWarlock
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CheeseWarlock
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anonymous_old
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anonymous_old
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lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday
Instead a short repeating slider for a drumroll.

Try a normal slider, and if you want you can have it repeat at a normal pace like every full beat or 2 full beats. As long as it sounds nice.
lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday
Should I do a writeup with pictures about which repeating sliders should be unrankable/EXTREMELY FROWNED UPON, which repeating sliders are generally considered boring or annoying, and which are generally accepted.
Zerostarry
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yes
SkyE-
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SkyE-
As Starry says.

Good luck!
lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday

SkyE- wrote:

As Starry says.

Good luck!
Get out
SkyE-
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SkyE-

lukewarmholiday wrote:

SkyE- wrote:

As Starry says.

Good luck!
Get out
Get out.
lukewarmholiday
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lukewarmholiday
Well damn, how could I ever respond to that
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