You drag it further, I believe. If anything, increasing slider velocity will make the slider finish faster/earlier, i.e. make it shorter.

MaxwellDemon wrote:

By dragging it out?

Yes. This is what people usually do.

or increasing slider velocity

Yes. This can also lengthen the slider but It will ruin the other difficulties using the old slider velocity. You will have to change all difficulties if you try to change the slider velocity on one difficulty.

Hmmm, but dragging it further would mean increasing the beats involved in the slider, no? :-/

EDIT: Since Sinistro and James both suggest dragging out the sliders, that has been done to all short sliders in the verse. XD

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James wrote:

Depends on what tick rate you are using.
I hope I answered your question correctly. . .

Kinda... but I made the changes accordingly anyway. XD

I think the timing of the sliders is wrong. I took some time out to give you two versions: one with slider velocity at 1.4 and one at 1.0
You might want to change the beat placement, but the timing is all good I think.
Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [sliders@1.0 velocity].osu
Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [sliders@1.4 velocity].osu

Thanks chan a whole lot for mapping easy for me a few times. >_<
I fixed the beat placement and took the 1.4 velocity one since all my other difficulties are at 1.40 velocity... but that kinda made us back at the entire "the sliders are too short" problem, no? ^^;

Anyhoo... fixed and reuploaded.

Max, easy just has one flaw @ 02:30:16, the slider should end @ 02:30:93 instead of 02:31:03. It's slight, but I noticed it during gameplay. Full combo'd, don't see anything else wrong with easy.

Okay, done and fixed. Thanks for such precise instruction and constantly remapping the map for me.

I just hope normal and hard is done right enough that it won't take another 6 pages.

Well I tried listening to 1x and these are off at 1x. *I think*
It sounds better for me though... Although some notes sounds kinda wrong at 0.25x

Feel free to ignore my post if you completely disagree with me.

On hard:
00:36:97 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward? Sounds better?
00:39:68 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward? Sounds better? Don't forget to adjust the tail of the slider.
00:46:18 - Try moving it by 1/4 or 1/2 beat forward? You decide which sounds better on 0.5x/1x
00:48:41 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward? Sounds better?
00:48:12 - Same as above. The spacing for this combo is kinda confusing btw.
00:57:53 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
00:58:11 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
01:00:15 - Try extending the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat? And also move the next circle by 1/4 beat too.
01:01:70 - Cut the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat, sounds better at 1x.
01:06:35 - Try extending the slider by 1/4 beat, making it 1/1 beat per slider? And remove the green (1) next to it.
01:10:14 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward.
01:20:22 - Move it by 1/4 beat backward.
01:20:61 - Same as above.
01:21:00 - Same as above.
01:29:73 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
01:30:12 - Same as above.
01:31:77 - Same as above.
01:32:64 - Move the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat forward.
01:35:55 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward? And delete the green (1) next to it.
01:38:65 - Move the slider by 1/4 beat backwards and extend the tail by 1/4 beat, and also delete the blue (3).
01:40:40 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
01:41:47 - Same as above.
01:42:34 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
01:45:45 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
01:46:51 - Cut the tail by 1/4 beat.
01:48:16 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward? And also cut the tail by 1/4 beat.
01:50:29 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:11:63 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:20:94 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:22:88 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:23:75 - Extend the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat.
02:25:02 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:25:21 - Try cutting the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat?
02:26:76 - Move the slider by 1/4 beat backwards and extend the tail by 1/4 beat
02:28:60 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
02:29:96 - Try cutting the tail by 1/4 beat?
02:32:00 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:32:97 - Same as above.
02:33:45 - Same as above.
02:33:75 - Same as above.
02:34:72 - Same as above.
02:35:01 - Same as above.
02:35:30 - Same as above.
02:36:17 - Extend the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat.
02:37:72 - Same as above.
02:40:24 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:40:44 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:41:99 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:45:38 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:48:59 - Extend the tail of the slider to this points, you decide which is better. 02:49:56(if you choose this, move the blue [3] by 1/4 beat forward.), 02:49:75(if you choose this, move the blue [3] by 1/4 beat forward.), 92:49:94(if you choose this, remove the blue [3].)
02:51:40 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:52:56 - Move it by 1/4 beat backward.
02:52:76 - Same as above.
02:52:85 - Place a new circle here.
02:53:92 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:54:79 - Cut the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat.
02:56:44 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
02:57:80 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?


Basically almost all of the things I've mentioned are placed in 1/4 timeline (blue)



Copy-pasting phrases FTW~! lol

Fixed following that list for hard mode. I personally found it quite agreeable... once the upload system is fixed, I'll upload it and see what chan says about it, then I'll work on normal.

EDIT: Hard mode's fixed version is uploaded!

MaxwellDemon wrote:

see what chan says about it

Guess I'm now signed up to modding this map until it's ranked ><
I feel that hard has a lot of notes bunched together (which Peppy agreed), making it difficult to notice differences in timing of beats.

With regards to timing for hard...
00:38:71 - The rhythm of the vocal part is not really a triplet like the slider with reverse. I think you should split it into beats or sliders that end at 00:38:61, 00:39:00 & 00:39:20
00:39:78 - Slider should end @ white tick on 00:41:14
00:41:62 - entire slider needs to be shifted back to 00:41:53
00:42:79 - entire slider needs to be shifted forward to 00:42:88
00:44:53 - move < to 00:44:43
00:44:92 - move < to 00:44:82
00:44:82 - move < to 00:48:70
00:49:38 - move < to 00:49:28
00:57:14 - move > to 00:57:24

01:06:35 - slider doesn't have a good rhythm. I suggest you make the slider only reverse once, and lengthen it so there is a beat @ 01:06:35 (for the start), 01:06:74 (for reverse) and 01:07:13 (for finish). You might also want to place another note @ 01:07:32 to flesh out vocals.

01:38:56 - slider should start at 01:38:75
01:40:21 - move > to 01:40:11
01:40:50 - extend slider to 01:40:79
01:40:88 - move > to 01:41:08

I'd mod more, but Peppy says 15min/map is plenty of time. I hope you can figure out the rest from here. I checked out normal and it didn't look good btw, much of the same rhythm problems.

I made that long list for about... 1++ hours

Okay, judging from the sound of things. I am taking a break from this map, and probably revamping the beat-spacing along with everything else. XD

Sorry for double post, so by looking at chan's post... I should fix the beatspacing because the beats are too bunched up, and also... um... remove the "reversing sliders" at the verses?

And also some beat fixing?

I should fix the beatspacing because the beats are too bunched up

Yes.

I don't know about the second part though I think he was mentioning about making a slider reverse once and extending it instead.

Alright, I double checked the rhythm and the beats and made sure it sounds good and follows a certain rhythm on both normal and hard while fixing what chan recommended.

Beatspacing is still not fixed though. I'll get to that once James and chan have nothing to complain about the beats. XD

On hard:
00:39:68 - sounds better if started in 00:39:78 (red timeline) It also applies to anything similar to this one. Hahaha I know your map already
00:41:62 - move it 1/4 beat backward. It also applies to anything similar to this one.
00:42:88 - same as the first comment
00:45:99 - same as first comment but dont forget to fix the tail of slider. im not sure about this though.
01:00:15 - extend the slider by 1/4 and move the next note by 1/4 forward too. this applies to those similar notes such as this.
01:01:70 - this time shorten the slider by 1/4 beat.
01:06:35 - extend the slider so that it would reverse at 1/1 beat. and remove the green 1.
01:10:23 - move it by 1/4 beat forward
01:22:20 - place the whole green combo to the red timeline.
01:23:43 - remove this one?
@ second chorus: you know what to do
@ after the second chorus, it repeats again so you know what to do too

...and also im just wondering if in the chorus, those single notes that are placed in blue timelines... try to place them in the red/white timeline? just to trial and error? i think some of it sounds better if they are placed in those timelines. ill give an example, at 00:48:41 try to move it by 1/4 beat backward (red timeline) and see how it sounds at 1x.
...this also applies to sliders that star/end at blue timelines.
...some are better placed in blue timeline though.

... eh?

It seems like I fixed these already on my map?

OMG REALLY?
Answer: YA REALLY!

Sorry.

But I still see some flaws, well not really flaws, I just don't like the sounds of it. Its a personal preference thingy.
00:39:78 - cut the slider by 1/4 beat to the white timeline and...
00:41:43 - remove this one and...
00:41:52 - move this to 00:41:33.
00:42:88 - cut the slider by 1/4 beat and...
00:43:66 - put a circle in here. or you can extend the slider in 00:42:88 to here. so that the whole vocals is followed.
01:07:32 - omg
01:13:92 - spacing must be equidistant.
01:17:80 - move this farther.

Fixed!
I'll work on the spacing in a bit. XD

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Fixed the beatspacing on Hard. XD
This is also my first time using Osu's beatspacing system, so... it feels a little odd. XO

If you like 154.66bpm and 1220 offset, try this one.
Double check all the notes since I think I screwed on some parts in there...
And tick rate to 2?

Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [Hard].osu

Thanks for the map... but I think I'll stick to my previous setting (unless you think as a mod, it is far more appropriate?). XD
Not to mention my previous difficulties are based on that too... so, yeah. XD

No prob.
Well you can still copy paste to the old one if you know what I mean.

And offset is kinda off, thats why I tried to find the offset.

Alright then, since you said so, all the difficulties should have that offset and BPM now. XD

Normal's beatspacing still isn't fixed. XD

EDIT: Normal's beatspacing is now fixed. XO

Going through when you've placed notes in [Normal]

00:17:51 (1) - Song's rhythm doesn't really match the slider, try getting rid of the return and extend the slider to end at 00:17:90, followed by a note on 00:18:09. Either that or make 00:17:51 (1) a note and 00:17:90 (2) - a slider ending at 00:18:09
00:20:61 (1) - similar to above


00:32:54 (1,1) - These shouldn't be on blue ticks!!! See first 4 pages of modding for details (lulz)
00:37:78 (6) - same as above, should be @ 00:37:68

Uh, basically, everything on a blue tick is pretty dodgy, just to be safe, I'd go through the editor for everything that's not on a red/white tick. This is not too different from what James and I have mentioned in the past about the other difficulties.


With [hard]'s timing of notes, same thing: everything on a blue tick is kinda dodgy

That blue tick you're talking about is all good to me. It sounds late while listening to 1x (using my bionic earsjk)

Fixed and checked all the blue ticks. XO

Hard
00:38:65 (1) - Still think that it's not a triplet. I think there should be beats/slider ends @ 00:39:04 and 00:39:23
01:28:50 (1) - Same as 00:38:65 (1)
02:20:10 (1) - Same as 00:38:65 (1)

01:25:21 (1) - Should this be 01:25:40 (1)?
01:37:91 (6) - Should this be 01:38:01 (6)?
01:44:99 (2) - Should end @ 01:45:96
02:29:70 (1) - Should this be 02:29:61 (1)?

02:56:38 (3,4) - Note 3 should be a beat and note 4 a slider starting 02:56:57 and ending 02:56:96

Fixed and uploaded.

I'm going to bubble this okay?

Is it just me or do you think the offset should be 1180?
Also I found hard easier to play than normal, since hard has the notes spread out but normal has a fair bit of overlap. I also think the rhythm is more intuitive in hard and easy, but not for normal.
Hard is good. All concerns mention were addressed.

I can rank this if you want, but I think you could do a better job on normal. It seems really awkward compared to the other 2 difficulties. Easy and hard are both really good, I think normal is not as good because of some of the overlapping notes, the slow approach circles and the non-intuitive rhythm.

I suggest that you use the middle overall difficulty setting for normal and maybe a harder overall difficulty setting for hard, since hard isn't too difficult in my opinion.

I actually find Normal easier than Hard.

Nonetheless, I boosted Hard's difficulty, and made the circles approach quicker at Normal... also removed some stacked notes and spread them out more.

About the offset, I am not so sure... it sounds approximately the same to me.

On a side note, I think I am the first one to have such a long modding history on one beatmap before it is getting ranked. XD

Easy and hard are both really good

Because I modded part of it
j/k


And 1180 offset is too early... Unless my sense of timing is gone already...

Uploaded with some stacked notes back, sliders no longer end and start at each other's tails and offset is set to 1,180. XD

Awww 1180 offset

Anyways heres the crappy replays you want

http://up.ppy.sh/files/james-younha-hou ... 0424124034).osr
http://up.ppy.sh/files/james-younha-hou ... 0424123420).osr

But i think you've changed something so I guess you wont get to see the replay...

Oh, right.

Thanks anyway.

Since you got quite a few 100s on Hard, I changed it the offset to 1,200. XD

Few 100s? Maybe few 300s?
Anyways 1200 offset is OK but I still need to press notes earlier but its OK.