This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, April 27, 2008 at 1:05:29 PM

Artist: Younha
Title: Houkiboshi
BPM: 154.66
Filesize: 4842kb
Play Time: 03:01
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy (3.03 stars, 266 notes)
2. Normal (4.38 stars, 333 notes)
3. Hard (4.62 stars, 370 notes)

Download: Younha - Houkiboshi
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Houkiboshi from Bleach. XD

Created in kind of a stepping stone kind of sense, so there isn't much variation between the difficulties except for having the difficult beats out of the way.

EDIT: BG change since the mods were saying seeing bare-chest men was scarring them.

BPM 154.65
Offset 380

Resnap, recalc, and you'll probably still have some work ahead of you getting those markers in the right time. While you're at it, you should really check it over with distance snap. Maybe it's just me or maybe it's the faulty timing, but I struggled a lot with the proportions of the spaces between markers.

Fixed the timing and stuff... spacing wise however... you'll need to be more clear about what exactly you are uncomfortable about, as you can see, I clearly have no problem with my map. But you are the mod, so you point me to the right direction.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I just remembered you told me that easy mode was very shabby and I agree with that. But personally, I have no idea how to make easy mode for this map properly, so if you got anything to add to that, I'll appreciate it.

It could be me, but some of your beats in easy mode are off-sync and i think the sliders are a bit too fast.
maybe you can try setting the beat divisor to 1/4 and play the song at around 0.40x~0.85x speed, Listern Carefully to the song, especially the vocals.
you might find the problem (or problems).

hope that helps.

P-Drogan wrote:

It could be me, but some of your beats in easy mode are off-sync and i think the sliders are a bit too fast.
maybe you can try setting the beat divisor to 1/4 and play the song at around 0.40x~0.85x speed, Listern Carefully to the song, especially the vocals.
you might find the problem (or problems).

hope that helps.

Ahahaha, as I said, easy mode is shabby. Go try hard, you'll find the beats to be a lot better. To me, there are TOO many pronounced beats, thus if I do that, easy mode will end up becoming not really quite easy mode. Thanks for your comment anyway.

EDIT: And yes, the slider will be a tad too fast for easy mode, but in my opinion, it is perfect for normal and hard.

EDIT 2: As suggested by P-Drogan, I fixed the velocity of the sliders for hard and normal mode (as relax mode wasn't really "relax" with its current speed), so, thanks for the suggestion on that... as for easy mode, I am considering scrapping it. So, no changes had been made on that.

EDIT 3: Completely revamped easy mode.

As discussed, I think the beats in easy aren't really following anything in particular (vocals, rhythm). Attached is what I think would work a bit better with regards to rhythm/timing of notes. Bear in mind that I have not bothered with note placement, and I also took some liberty in chopping/extending sliders.

Also, I'm not sure if you want to have triplets in the easy version, but that's up to your discretion.

Without further ado:Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [Easy].osu

Also, regarding hard, it generally looks like all the notes occur on a blue tick are 1/4 of a beat early. This holds true for the first few combos, but I didn't compare it with the rest of the beatmap.

Thanks chan for the easy beatmap and his take on it. >_<;

Fixed the placements on it, revised hard... if everything is okay with those two, I'll start working on normal. XD

I've had a change of heart regarding the timing of beats for easy. It's not a difficult map as is, but I think a lot of the off-beats are really tricky for beginners (for me too!).

I've uploaded a revision which has most notes occurring on a beat, I think the rhythm would be much more intuitive for a beginner. Also I've completely disregarded beat placement as before :)

One final note, I think you should have a matching slider velocity and distance/beat spacing multiple.
Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [Easy].osu

Fixed beat placement again and thanks for helping me map easy mode again. XD

Anyway... um... should the slider velocity be faster or slower?

I don't know about velocity. But those first short sliders in easy mode are either too fast or too short.

So... slower sliders in easy mode?

EDIT: On another note, fixed normal and some stray offbeats in hard mode... I'll take a look into easy mode (again) later on when I get time. XD

EDIT 2: Scratch Normal... it sounds disgusting right now. Will fix later. XD

EDIT 3: Fixed Normal.

I checked out your easy version again. I meant that if you are using distance spacing of 0.5x, then use a slider velocity of 0.5.

The current uploaded version of easy has a 1.40 slider velocity. However, the sliders in the verse are too short (they should last for 1/2 a beat). I think you should change the slider velocity to 0.5 and then rework the sliders in the choruses, since these were originally made with the 1.40 slider velocity setting. I recommend you delete all the choruses except 1, edit the sliders in that and copy paste.

0.5 for those short sliders work okay-ish... but it seems too slow for the chorus. ;(

Well you can only have one slider velocity for a song, so if you want to have a matching slider velocity and distance snapping multiplier, you'll either have to change the sliders in the chorus or change the distance snapping for the whole song. You can have the slider velocity at 1.4 and the distance snapping at say 0.5 or something, but I don't think it's sensible to have a beatmap with these kind of discrepancies. I'd be a bit more comfortable if you were to have matching or similar numbers (like 1.2 slider velocity and 1.0 distance snapping), but maybe you should check with some other mods on this issue, since I'm just speaking for myself here.

After reading the thread..
I still don't get it!!

You guys happened to talked about easy?

Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [Easy].osu

James wrote:

After reading the thread..
I still don't get it!!

You guys happened to talked about easy?

What do you not get? XD

... is his version okay? Or does slider's velocity still bugs the mods?

... I think my ears rusted again. XD

Its all good, you just need to extend the short sliders by a bit and it will be fine.

How exactly do I lengthen the short sliders?
By dragging it out or increasing slider velocity (which is a bad thing according to chan)? XD

You drag it further, I believe. If anything, increasing slider velocity will make the slider finish faster/earlier, i.e. make it shorter.

MaxwellDemon wrote:

By dragging it out?

Yes. This is what people usually do.

or increasing slider velocity

Yes. This can also lengthen the slider but It will ruin the other difficulties using the old slider velocity. You will have to change all difficulties if you try to change the slider velocity on one difficulty.

Hmmm, but dragging it further would mean increasing the beats involved in the slider, no? :-/

EDIT: Since Sinistro and James both suggest dragging out the sliders, that has been done to all short sliders in the verse. XD

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James wrote:

Depends on what tick rate you are using.
I hope I answered your question correctly. . .

Kinda... but I made the changes accordingly anyway. XD

I think the timing of the sliders is wrong. I took some time out to give you two versions: one with slider velocity at 1.4 and one at 1.0
You might want to change the beat placement, but the timing is all good I think.
Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [sliders@1.0 velocity].osu
Download: Younha - Houkiboshi (MaxwellDemon) [sliders@1.4 velocity].osu

Thanks chan a whole lot for mapping easy for me a few times. >_<
I fixed the beat placement and took the 1.4 velocity one since all my other difficulties are at 1.40 velocity... but that kinda made us back at the entire "the sliders are too short" problem, no? ^^;

Anyhoo... fixed and reuploaded.

Max, easy just has one flaw @ 02:30:16, the slider should end @ 02:30:93 instead of 02:31:03. It's slight, but I noticed it during gameplay. Full combo'd, don't see anything else wrong with easy.

Okay, done and fixed. Thanks for such precise instruction and constantly remapping the map for me.

I just hope normal and hard is done right enough that it won't take another 6 pages.

Well I tried listening to 1x and these are off at 1x. *I think*
It sounds better for me though... Although some notes sounds kinda wrong at 0.25x

Feel free to ignore my post if you completely disagree with me.

On hard:
00:36:97 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward? Sounds better?
00:39:68 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward? Sounds better? Don't forget to adjust the tail of the slider.
00:46:18 - Try moving it by 1/4 or 1/2 beat forward? You decide which sounds better on 0.5x/1x
00:48:41 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward? Sounds better?
00:48:12 - Same as above. The spacing for this combo is kinda confusing btw.
00:57:53 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
00:58:11 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
01:00:15 - Try extending the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat? And also move the next circle by 1/4 beat too.
01:01:70 - Cut the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat, sounds better at 1x.
01:06:35 - Try extending the slider by 1/4 beat, making it 1/1 beat per slider? And remove the green (1) next to it.
01:10:14 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward.
01:20:22 - Move it by 1/4 beat backward.
01:20:61 - Same as above.
01:21:00 - Same as above.
01:29:73 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
01:30:12 - Same as above.
01:31:77 - Same as above.
01:32:64 - Move the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat forward.
01:35:55 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward? And delete the green (1) next to it.
01:38:65 - Move the slider by 1/4 beat backwards and extend the tail by 1/4 beat, and also delete the blue (3).
01:40:40 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
01:41:47 - Same as above.
01:42:34 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
01:45:45 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
01:46:51 - Cut the tail by 1/4 beat.
01:48:16 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward? And also cut the tail by 1/4 beat.
01:50:29 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:11:63 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:20:94 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:22:88 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:23:75 - Extend the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat.
02:25:02 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:25:21 - Try cutting the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat?
02:26:76 - Move the slider by 1/4 beat backwards and extend the tail by 1/4 beat
02:28:60 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
02:29:96 - Try cutting the tail by 1/4 beat?
02:32:00 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:32:97 - Same as above.
02:33:45 - Same as above.
02:33:75 - Same as above.
02:34:72 - Same as above.
02:35:01 - Same as above.
02:35:30 - Same as above.
02:36:17 - Extend the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat.
02:37:72 - Same as above.
02:40:24 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:40:44 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:41:99 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:45:38 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:48:59 - Extend the tail of the slider to this points, you decide which is better. 02:49:56(if you choose this, move the blue [3] by 1/4 beat forward.), 02:49:75(if you choose this, move the blue [3] by 1/4 beat forward.), 92:49:94(if you choose this, remove the blue [3].)
02:51:40 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:52:56 - Move it by 1/4 beat backward.
02:52:76 - Same as above.
02:52:85 - Place a new circle here.
02:53:92 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?
02:54:79 - Cut the tail of the slider by 1/4 beat.
02:56:44 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat backward?
02:57:80 - Try moving it by 1/4 beat forward?


Basically almost all of the things I've mentioned are placed in 1/4 timeline (blue)



Copy-pasting phrases FTW~! lol

Fixed following that list for hard mode. I personally found it quite agreeable... once the upload system is fixed, I'll upload it and see what chan says about it, then I'll work on normal.

EDIT: Hard mode's fixed version is uploaded!

MaxwellDemon wrote:

see what chan says about it

Guess I'm now signed up to modding this map until it's ranked ><
I feel that hard has a lot of notes bunched together (which Peppy agreed), making it difficult to notice differences in timing of beats.

With regards to timing for hard...
00:38:71 - The rhythm of the vocal part is not really a triplet like the slider with reverse. I think you should split it into beats or sliders that end at 00:38:61, 00:39:00 & 00:39:20
00:39:78 - Slider should end @ white tick on 00:41:14
00:41:62 - entire slider needs to be shifted back to 00:41:53
00:42:79 - entire slider needs to be shifted forward to 00:42:88
00:44:53 - move < to 00:44:43
00:44:92 - move < to 00:44:82
00:44:82 - move < to 00:48:70
00:49:38 - move < to 00:49:28
00:57:14 - move > to 00:57:24

01:06:35 - slider doesn't have a good rhythm. I suggest you make the slider only reverse once, and lengthen it so there is a beat @ 01:06:35 (for the start), 01:06:74 (for reverse) and 01:07:13 (for finish). You might also want to place another note @ 01:07:32 to flesh out vocals.

01:38:56 - slider should start at 01:38:75
01:40:21 - move > to 01:40:11
01:40:50 - extend slider to 01:40:79
01:40:88 - move > to 01:41:08

I'd mod more, but Peppy says 15min/map is plenty of time. I hope you can figure out the rest from here. I checked out normal and it didn't look good btw, much of the same rhythm problems.

I made that long list for about... 1++ hours

Okay, judging from the sound of things. I am taking a break from this map, and probably revamping the beat-spacing along with everything else. XD

Sorry for double post, so by looking at chan's post... I should fix the beatspacing because the beats are too bunched up, and also... um... remove the "reversing sliders" at the verses?

And also some beat fixing?

I should fix the beatspacing because the beats are too bunched up

Yes.

I don't know about the second part though I think he was mentioning about making a slider reverse once and extending it instead.

Alright, I double checked the rhythm and the beats and made sure it sounds good and follows a certain rhythm on both normal and hard while fixing what chan recommended.

Beatspacing is still not fixed though. I'll get to that once James and chan have nothing to complain about the beats. XD

On hard:
00:39:68 - sounds better if started in 00:39:78 (red timeline) It also applies to anything similar to this one. Hahaha I know your map already
00:41:62 - move it 1/4 beat backward. It also applies to anything similar to this one.
00:42:88 - same as the first comment
00:45:99 - same as first comment but dont forget to fix the tail of slider. im not sure about this though.
01:00:15 - extend the slider by 1/4 and move the next note by 1/4 forward too. this applies to those similar notes such as this.
01:01:70 - this time shorten the slider by 1/4 beat.
01:06:35 - extend the slider so that it would reverse at 1/1 beat. and remove the green 1.
01:10:23 - move it by 1/4 beat forward
01:22:20 - place the whole green combo to the red timeline.
01:23:43 - remove this one?
@ second chorus: you know what to do
@ after the second chorus, it repeats again so you know what to do too

...and also im just wondering if in the chorus, those single notes that are placed in blue timelines... try to place them in the red/white timeline? just to trial and error? i think some of it sounds better if they are placed in those timelines. ill give an example, at 00:48:41 try to move it by 1/4 beat backward (red timeline) and see how it sounds at 1x.
...this also applies to sliders that star/end at blue timelines.
...some are better placed in blue timeline though.

... eh?

It seems like I fixed these already on my map?

OMG REALLY?
Answer: YA REALLY!

Sorry.

But I still see some flaws, well not really flaws, I just don't like the sounds of it. Its a personal preference thingy.
00:39:78 - cut the slider by 1/4 beat to the white timeline and...
00:41:43 - remove this one and...
00:41:52 - move this to 00:41:33.
00:42:88 - cut the slider by 1/4 beat and...
00:43:66 - put a circle in here. or you can extend the slider in 00:42:88 to here. so that the whole vocals is followed.
01:07:32 - omg
01:13:92 - spacing must be equidistant.
01:17:80 - move this farther.