How to improve at osu!

Nessuka

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Nessuka 2012-10-09T23:57:36+00:00

Macacito wrote:
where's ijah?

Yo.

Contributing to thread: Streaming isn't so much in the fingers as it is in the tricep (the muscle that drives the tendons), training that muscle in the usual ways helps you get faster and (kind of) helps stamina a little.
I tend to just tense up my arm and get those two fingers to 'shake' somewhat.

lolcubes

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lolcubes 2012-10-10T02:27:19+00:00

For me it's all about the fingers actually. The more I raise my fingers while streaming (and hitting keys with bigger force), the more accurate I actually am, just like playing piano for example. On stupidly high bpm (around 210 and onwards) that becomes a little different though, because you are just wasting strength if you want to press keys with big force which is unnecessary due to smaller timing, but the fingers are still the main part of the thing, at least for me.
This could also be the reason why my streaming is so terrible in 200~220 range and is fine above and below. I am still working on it though and as the time goes by I can notice really good improvements (I just can't get the bpm straight sometimes so I end up with some 100s on longer streams).

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jesse1412

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jesse1412 2012-10-11T22:28:43+00:00

Ijah wrote:
Macacito wrote:
where's ijah?
Yo.

Contributing to thread: Streaming isn't so much in the fingers as it is in the tricep (the muscle that drives the tendons), training that muscle in the usual ways helps you get faster and (kind of) helps stamina a little.
I tend to just tense up my arm and get those two fingers to 'shake' somewhat.

I find this too, after intense streaming sessions my fingers will never hurt, usually all around my shoulder however there's massive pain.

Kanye West

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Kanye West 2012-10-11T22:36:45+00:00

Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal joints of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle

G0r

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G0r 2012-10-11T22:43:43+00:00

Thank you, Doctor West.

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Zare

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Zare 2012-10-12T22:26:22+00:00

Kanye West wrote:
Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal joints of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle

a tl;dr for three lines?
what's wrong with you guys.

nrii_old

nrii_old 2012-10-13T11:39:28+00:00

big word r hard 2 read

Purple

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Purple 2012-10-13T12:26:28+00:00

Kanye West wrote:
Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal joints of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle

I wished I was as intelligent as you are

thelewa

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thelewa 2012-10-13T16:45:30+00:00

But that isn't intelligence, that's just knowledge

silmarilen

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silmarilen 2012-10-13T16:51:01+00:00

but knowledgable is such a hard word compared to intelligent

thelewa

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thelewa 2012-10-13T16:53:04+00:00

"I wish I'd know as much as you do" will do just fine.

Kanye West

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Kanye West 2012-10-13T16:55:05+00:00

Purlpo wrote:
Kanye West wrote:
Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal joints of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle
I wished I was as intelligent as you are

No you don't, I'm retarded. I just know big words

winber1

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winber1 2012-10-14T03:10:41+00:00

but i thought big words = intelligent

??

????

my code doesn't work still

kriers

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kriers 2012-10-14T03:36:28+00:00

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

tl;dr I am Einstein

winber1

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winber1 2012-10-14T05:09:22+00:00

your iq greatly surpasses mine

my code doesn't work still

Elit3noob

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Elit3noob 2012-10-16T07:33:43+00:00

no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-users)"

SPOILER

haha tricked you!

Coro

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Coro 2012-10-16T07:35:49+00:00

Elit3noob wrote:
no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-users)"

Make really tiny circles around the center of the spinner.
It works really well that way~

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buny

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buny 2012-10-16T07:36:53+00:00

Elit3noob wrote:
no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-users)"

spin small circles, gradually raise speed when you're confident in drawing scribbly circles

Frizz

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Frizz 2012-10-16T08:48:59+00:00

Or try to use lower sensitivity. Lower sensitivity helps you spinning in small circles a lot.

Elit3noob

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Elit3noob 2012-10-16T11:50:13+00:00

you guys sure about spinning with smaller circles? I tried it ages ago but I seem to spin much slower when I do small circles

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haha tricked you!

Zare

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Zare 2012-10-16T12:09:16+00:00

Elit3noob wrote:
you guys sure about spinning with smaller circles? I tried it ages ago but I seem to spin much slower when I do small circles

Once u get used to it, u will spin faster with smaller circles. Also, u have more control over ur mouse. With big circles the chance of missing a hitcircle right after the spinner is much higher because u have to find the cursor first..

However, it takes long to get fast at spinning.. When I started 6 months ago i spinned about 250 spm. Now It's around 380-420, sometimes more.
In the end, it's all practice.

silmarilen

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silmarilen 2012-10-16T12:13:29+00:00

spinning in small circles is not nnecessarily faster, but it gives you a lot more control over your cursor.
if you are spinning all over the screen and right after the spinner there are some jumps you first have to find back your cursor, then reposition, and then do the jumps. if you spin small circles you already know where the cursor is, you can do the repositioning during the spinning and dont have to worry about anything.

Kanye West

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Kanye West 2012-10-16T12:42:14+00:00

Elit3noob wrote:
no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-users)"

How to improve at mouse: copy kriers

thelewa

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thelewa 2012-10-16T12:43:26+00:00

It used to be "Copy taNa"

winber1

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winber1 2012-10-16T12:43:53+00:00

doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .

my code doesn't work still

kriers

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kriers 2012-10-16T12:44:37+00:00

thelewa wrote:
It used to be "Copy taNa"

I copied taNa

thelewa

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thelewa 2012-10-16T12:44:40+00:00

winber1 wrote:
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .

But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.

I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.

kriers

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kriers 2012-10-16T12:47:17+00:00

thelewa wrote:
winber1 wrote:
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.

I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.

That's basically what I do too

Wishy

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Wishy 2012-10-16T12:57:03+00:00

thelewa wrote:
winber1 wrote:
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.

I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.

He played with a super small area too so yeah.

lolcubes

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lolcubes 2012-10-16T14:02:44+00:00

It really makes no difference what kind of sensitivity you have if you want to spin well. It's just that it's easier to know how well you're spinning in regards to the center of the spinner if the circles are small. I actually tried spinning with 5700 dpi and mouse accel on and max sensitivity in game, basically it was so ridiculously high that even doing smallest movement would make your mouse go to the edge of the screen, and even with those "squares" the spins were still just as good. :p

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Bweh

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Bweh 2012-11-15T23:47:40+00:00

Thanks

G0r

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G0r 2012-11-16T00:27:01+00:00

The way I see it, small circles are better for when you have low DPI, but high DPI is really difficult to control with small motions like that, so to get the same result you need to do larger circles.

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Mythras

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Mythras 2012-11-16T04:33:29+00:00

hardest part of the entire game is keeping the pen close to the damn tablet, if there was a tablet that never dc'd based on distance i'd be amazing

Kanye West

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Kanye West 2012-11-16T04:49:15+00:00

Unkind wrote:
hardest part of the entire game is keeping the pen close to the damn tablet, if there was a tablet that never dc'd based on distance i'd be amazing

You can always drag, and it's okay if you accidentally tap too if you disable mouse clicks.

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Uncle Buly 2012-11-16T11:04:17+00:00

Sticky this kawaii uguu thread desu pls

Full Tablet

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Full Tablet 2012-11-17T05:27:20+00:00

A good trick to spin faster is using a tiny cursor (so you can do tiny circles without obscuring the center of the spinner). My spin speed improved considerably (from about 380 average to 420 average, about 460 when I put an effort in spinning) when I changed my cursor's size from about 51x51 pixels to 26x26 pixels (I use a tablet BTW, I don't know if that would help with a mouse), also, with enough muscle memory maybe you don't need visual feedback at all to spin.

Kanye West

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Kanye West 2012-11-17T19:01:21+00:00

It's easier to spin in large circles with a mouse. I actually preferred to spin in medium or large-sized circles when I used mouse because it was more natural that way.

Aqo

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Aqo 2012-11-17T21:08:22+00:00

It's different for everyone, Kanye. My spins with tablet are waaaay larger than my mouse spins. (might be because of recent area change but still)

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kriers

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kriers 2012-11-17T21:13:01+00:00

spinner size is 100% dependant on the area/dpi you are using for mouse and tablet...

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