Hi~ I'm new to osu! (been playing for almost 3 months) and I was just wondering: how long did it take everyone to switch from playing easy/normal/hard to insane? Did you skip the easier difficulties and head straight for the harder ones? I skipped right to insane the first week I joined. I couldn't pass insane songs for a while, so I constantly played songs far too hard for me with No Fail. Now however, I can play moderately fast insane songs and get around 90-95% on my first try without using any mods (on faster insanes I get about 80-87% first try typically). I have played a little over 10k times. Is this where I should be by now? Am I behind? Any feedback welcome.

Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry

Luna wrote:

Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry

^ This.

Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

JAKANYAN wrote:

Luna wrote:

Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry

^ This.

Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

Glad I've been doing the right thing! Also, is it true that using No Fail lowers your overall accuracy?

JAKANYAN wrote:

Luna wrote:

Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry

playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

It can also bring some bad habits which will be a real pain to get rid of. Highly depends on a player though. Most, I suppose, aren't facing this problem.

Kinenz wrote:

Glad I've been doing the right thing! Also, is it true that using No Fail lowers your overall accuracy?

No Fail is not going to change anything itself... It just makes it so that you don't fail... but if you play really hard maps you can't beat, it theoretically will lower your accuracy.

But actually, nowadays, I don't think even bad troll scores with No Fail will even have that indirect effect anymore. This is because your accuracy is based on pp, and pp only calculates on maps which you do relatively well/really good on. Usually, you won't place anywhere high on the ranking list using No Fail, and thus pp is not calculated and neither is your accuracy. Though, there are maps like Freedom Dive.

Ami Furi Koneko wrote:

It can also bring some bad habits which will be a real pain to get rid of. Highly depends on a player though. Most, I suppose, aren't facing this problem.

This probably like the sole reason why I fking suck at squares (and other perfect polygons), cuz I keep trying to half-ass them with curvy movements.

winber1 wrote:

Usually, you won't place anywhere high on the ranking list using No Fail

mfw like 10 top 300 ranks with NF can you guess the maps

Ami Furi Koneko wrote:

JAKANYAN wrote:

playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

It can also bring some bad habits which will be a real pain to get rid of. Highly depends on a player though. Most, I suppose, aren't facing this problem.

I've stopped using No Fail on insane/harder songs since a month ago. Now I only use it if I can't for my LIFE pass the song after trying over and over, especially on super crazy hard songs like The Big Black, which I play for fun even though I know they are far beyond my skill level. xD

about a week or so maybe

JAKANYAN wrote:

Luna wrote:

Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry

^ This.

Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.

it depends,
some maps like big black or airman require a gradual improving of skills (trained up with other maps) before being passed.
especially big black... playing that map without the skill to play insane can lead to anything... u play it 10k times? well u will waste 10k plays without any result.

I've been doing the same thing as you when I started, cept I was able to do insanes at around 4000 plays

Due to what standards were back in 2008, I really have to know what you consider to be an "Insane" in order to adequately answer that question.

Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"

Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.

Took me like 2 months to pass insanes decently, after like 5k plays.

[AirCoN] wrote:

I've been doing the same thing as you when I started, cept I was able to do insanes at around 4000 plays

I don't mean that I'm only just now able to do insanes. I was able to play insanes without no fail around 2 months ago (correcting myself from earlier when I said it was just one month ago) but I just get higher accuracy on them now. What I was really asking was if my accuracy is where it should be by now when playing insane songs. Sorry for not being more specific D: Also, should I be using mods on them by now? I can do hidden and doubletime on a few, but I mostly play without any mods at all (insane only). Sorry again if I'm being confusing ><

Ekaru wrote:

Due to what standards were back in 2008, I really have to know what you consider to be an "Insane" in order to adequately answer that question.

Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"

Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.

By "insane" I mean when the mapper either names his difficulty "insane" or when it is easy to tell that the map's difficulty suddenly got much harder compared to the previous difficulty in the map. I don't know any real terminology for this kind of stuff, so I apologize for sounding extremely nooby. ;_;

Ekaru wrote:

Due to what standards were back in 2008, I really have to know what you consider to be an "Insane" in order to adequately answer that question.

Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"

Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.

I play with mouse acceleration on. Never changed. Jumps are easier with mouse acceleration lol. (For me)

it took me about a month. when I started playing I immediately started using mods on easy/normal maps and it helped quite a lot

If "5 stars" (happy30 diff) counts as insane: 8 days.

If it actually has to be a moderately hard 5 star map: ~2 weeks.

1600 DPI + enabled mouse acceleration if I remember correctly.
Had about 1k plays in my first month. So 250 - 500 plays respectively. :>

I'm really glad to have youtube'd every single milestone I took in osu! since I started playing. Really helps to pull out such information.

Kinenz wrote:

By "insane" I mean when the mapper either names his difficulty "insane" or when it is easy to tell that the map's difficulty suddenly got much harder compared to the previous difficulty in the map. I don't know any real terminology for this kind of stuff, so I apologize for sounding extremely nooby. ;_;

It was an oldfag joke. ;P A ton of Insanes back then would be extremely easy by today's standards if it wasn't for their fucking tiny circles that are a son of a bitch to aim for. Hards made by mappers like James, DJPop, and Rolled were what you really wanted to play back then for a good challenge, and certain ones would even qualify as "Insanes" by today's standards.

That said, when put that way I'd guess... some months? It was so long ago. Plus I couldn't stream for crap back then, which didn't help at all.

Regardless, you're progressing at a reasonable pace. Don't worry too much about it and just keep playing hard stuff.

Lybydose wrote:

about a week or so maybe

This^ but i had like a 5k play count

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Defacer wrote:

I knew people had problems with squares but you are the first one that I can refer to - goddamn it's the same ! - I always do strange curvy movements when squares appear because im afraid i shall be late for the next one and basically on squares i look like a complete noob, so I guess that is rly some sort of a bad habit, also I don't like to wait on circles and sliders, so I basically like fast AR and low AR makes me suffer, I just can't imagine hitting a note and then being able to stay on the same place for like 0.5 sec and can jump to the other one, I always must do rapid movements across the map without thinking or waiting

It's natural for our hands to move in a circular motion than snapping to form a square. Though you could train on doing these things but it would be quite hard

months..

It took me a few months because when I first started, I only played easy 1-3 star songs. I was too used to the easy songs, so when I started playing the harder ones, it took me a lot longer to adapt.

4 months or something before I turned mouse accel off \o\
Then another few months before I could pass some of the easier stuff /o/

Took me about 1 month playing insane maps only

cant remember if i joined osu on 22nd june or 26th of june in 2010 but http://puu.sh/klM http://puu.sh/klO found these old screenshots from before i was even aevv, iirc it only took me a week or two to be doing insanes

musta been 22nd cause http://puu.sh/klK i did this hard on the 23rd

It was only a couple weeks for me too, but I sucked when I first started playing Insanes, and I only played to pass them. I believed at the time that I would only improve if I played nothing but Insanes. I tend to still think that this is a good way to begin, as long as you do reasonably well on Hards already, and are able to find Insanes that aren't terribly difficult to start with.

A long ass time.

Well, i completely skipped doing easy and medium and went straight to hard and insane. I put this down to the fact that i'm a drummer and have been playing guitar hero on expert and DDR for years. I'm at 2.5k plays and it's only now i'm truly grasping how to play the really hard songs though. So i'd imagine 10k would be very decent for a completely new person to rhythm games seeing as it took me ages to get good at gh. Also the switch to using a tablet over mouse made me instantly better. It's all down to each individual though. Keep it up bro

It took me 6 months to even be able to try Insanes

although that's when I got my tablet and I instantly became good after that, landed my first #1's soon after that and everything.

Now that everyone is discussing how long it took them. It probably took me about 1 month to pass Insanes with my mouse. Then I got a tablet and started S'ing insanes. About 3 months after I got my tablet I tried my first HD HR song ever (That Kung-Fu) one Tana has a video of and S'd that in about 10 tries and that's when I started HR HD everything.

Long story short: get a tablet, become good instantly

What if SiLviA gets a tablet D:

Jordan wrote:

What if SiLviA gets a tablet D:

He never will already asked him.

thelewa wrote:

Long story short: get a tablet, become good instantly

No.

lolcubes wrote:

thelewa wrote:

Long story short: get a tablet, become good instantly

No.

This was absolutely correct for me.
Tablets make you pro instantly.

Twilight Sparkle wrote:

This was absolutely correct for me.
Tablets make you pro instantly.

didnt work for me

Tablet makes you pro instantly
if you were playing mouse with acceleration

Tablet made me pro instantly, therefore it will make you pro instantly.

CXu wrote:

Tablet made me pro instantly, therefore it will make you pro instantly.

I'm glad you understand my way of thinking.

edit: After all, every single human being is the same, they all learn at the same speed and such, right?

Aqo wrote:

Tablet makes you pro instantly
if you were playing mouse with acceleration

Well.... worked for me. And I used acceleration. That would make sense, as Tablet forces no-accel which is better.

Tablet also has full area by default which is like very small DPI. Most mouse players are used to high DPI which is terribly inaccurate and hard to play with.
No accel low dpi mouse is way more accurate than tablet hands down ._.

I believe it took me around 2-3 months to pass my first insane (well an easy insane XD).
I'm a mouse player and I play 400 dpi with mouse acceleration on.

Keep in mind that, every player has a different improvement rate.
For me, I'm improve at a relatively slow rate.

PS: Tablet is NOT easy to use.

BeatofIke wrote:

I believe it took me around 2-3 months to pass my first insane (well an easy insane XD).
I'm a mouse player and I play 400 dpi with mouse acceleration on.

Keep in mind that, every player has a different improvement rate.
For me, I'm improve at a relatively slow rate.

PS: Tablet is NOT easy to use.

I too play 400 dpi with mouse acc on and also improve at a snail's rate. Hi5 bro!

Took me like 3-4 months upon purchase of my tablet just to reach my old mouse skill level. Being left handed sucks, particularly for this game zzz. i don't even know how to play with mouse anymore (1 year's worth of experience down the drain) \o/

As for topic, a few weeks iirc. pretty sure i wasn't screwing around with mods and was working on passing as many songs as possible on a daily basis back then.

as long as i played with mouse i barely could do hard maps...
then when i got a tablet i could do insane instantly :<
i think it was around 6000 or 7000 plays when i got the tablet : )

If i didn't have my tablet i would be mediocre as heck.

Hey, I'm currently at 1.5k plays and can pass some insanes on B first try. I made a huge jump from hards to insanes (like in a few hours) after disabling windows acceleration and lowering my DPI to 800 from 1600. Thanks to everyone in this thread t/91591/start=75, yours advices helped me a lot. I play mouse only.

Actually playing mainly to improve after getting a tablet had me able to SS and S insane maps in 2 months (i'm lazy as fuck though and not nearly as committed as all these kids playing), and buying the black widow keyboard has me able to stream really well after a few months (and even stream kinda fast, not that fast though).

I lose skill rapidly if i don't keep playing . It's really annoying.

key for success: Play with a tablet for 5 hours or so once you get it, instantly use a big area (look at like M A I D's profile to see for example) play easy maps whatever you gotta do to get used to it. Once you do just start doing insanes/hards, your skill will increase super rapidly.

Main thing I noticed when I got a tablet is that I was instantly really good at spinning (430-460+).

The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse. And I love using the mouse, i play all kinds of fps games, good aim good reactions etc, always a top player in whatever game but osu! is just perfect for a pen tablet.



TLDR: buy a tablet if you like this game and don't have the irrational tablet hating mentality because you can't afford one. orz

Unkind wrote:

The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse.

Nonsense. Tablet causes wrist pain and mouse doesn't. With tablet you have to hold the pen steady over every circle while mouse just sits there once you're done with your jump. Mouse is way more laid back.

Aqo wrote:

Unkind wrote:

The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse.

Nonsense. Tablet causes wrist pain and mouse doesn't. With tablet you have to hold the pen steady over every circle while mouse just sits there once you're done with your jump. Mouse is way more laid back.

The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.

Oh my, my wrist wants a word with you Aqo.

Even playing with a keyboard for fun still tires my wrist, maybe I'm just a wimp with no stamina then.

thelewa wrote:

The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.

But it's also a lot easier to adjust/aim. At least for me, if I use mouse, and if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

But then again, that was only helpful a long time ago, when I sucked at playing everything. Nowadays, I don't even look at my cursor since I don't really have time to, and my aim is pretty decent

winber1 wrote:

thelewa wrote:

The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.

But it's also a lot easier to adjust/aim. At least for me, if I use mouse, and if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

But then again, that was only helpful a long time ago, when I sucked at playing everything. Nowadays, I don't even look at my cursor since I don't really have time to, and my aim is pretty decent

Transparent cursor ftw

I don't know man, I still don't know how to aim with a tablet

shit's impossible

winber1 wrote:

if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

lower your dpi and you'll be less prone to overshooting/undershooting jumps. Also looking at your own cursor does help.

I think I typically look at what I am aiming at next, not my cursor. I don't think I see any advantage to doing it the other way. Shouldn't your muscles be worried about your cursor and your eyes worried about your target?

Try playing circle size 6 without looking at your cursor good luck.

who cares about circle size 6? how many maps are there that have that?

silmarilen wrote:

who cares about circle size 6? how many maps are there that have that?

every single small circle map with HR...

so.. about.. 0.01% of all maps?

Aqo wrote:

winber1 wrote:

if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.

lower your dpi and you'll be less prone to overshooting/undershooting jumps. Also looking at your own cursor does help.

If you didn't read, this was about me using a mouse, not a tablet.

But I only look at my cursor for specific patterns that I know I always fail. So, yes it does help, but it becomes really unreasonable to do it through the map, at least on harder songs, and with like 220+ BPM

Aqo wrote:

Try playing circle size 6 without looking at your cursor good luck.

You don't need to look... I don't look when playing with small circles like that unless the map is really slow and the notes are decently close together. But most maps with that CS are usually not that hard.

winber1 wrote:

If you didn't read, this was about me using a mouse, not a tablet.

"dpi" is mouse-only afaik. tablets use area. re-read?

meant for maps like this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/46196 for example
btw on this map http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44519 that you made, you don't have to trace your cursor sometimes? (or how about Jenny's diff... that jump in the middle haha)

So I just do maps i cant handle on no fail and I'll eventually get better?
btw im stuck on normals

Gluegun wrote:

So I just do maps i cant handle on no fail and I'll eventually get better?
btw im stuck on normals

No. If you're "stuck" on normals, play easy Hards, then play hard Hards, then play easy Insanes, etc etc. At least that's what I did, and I eventually got to insanes (but took a long time as I was stuck on hards)

Kanye West wrote:

No. If you're "stuck" on normals, play easy Hards, then play hard Hards, then play easy Insanes, etc etc. At least that's what I did, and I eventually got to insanes (but took a long time as I was stuck on hards)

I did the same, step by step.

Gluegun wrote:

So I just do maps i cant handle on no fail and I'll eventually get better?
btw im stuck on normals

Best thing to do. If you really wanna imrpove fast. Just play, play till your hands hurts, fingers get blisters. Don't worry about score/grades/ranks...eventually after a week or two..You'll see the improvement.

Dosen't take long to start doing easy insanes, after a week or two of grinding hard maps. I jumped from Hards to Easy insanes within a week. I got bored of Hards pretty fast cause I never could S them, so instead I stopped playing hards, and started trying to pass insane maps, and after I can Full combo easy insanes with like 87% accuracy, I started fc'ing Hards with at least 97% accuracy, and boy did Hards become fun after that time. They were my favorite difficulties around that time. Now Since I started grinding pro insanes, I can now S the easy insanes with 98% ACC(though I took a week and grinded hard rock. Really helps with accuracy) That's a good shortcut right there. but if you're going to do that. Strap on No Fail.

Now I've reached the point when I'm always missing like 1-5 notes on most pro insanes, and I can't fc them in 3 tries yet. Some I can do after like hours of warmup, but some i just get random stupid misses, or lame slider breaks. but it took me 9 months to get where I am at.

Osu is a journey, just do what you can, but don't stick to that, you'll never get better. It's good to challenge yourself. Also, the only mod I suggest you to use right now is Hardrock, don't worry about mods till you get really good, or you'll just end up being another player who just abuses the Hidden mod. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that(play the game how you want as long as you have fun) but don't be a one trick pony, that's lame.

Anyway, tl;dr gl and have fun.

I only look at hit circles, I never look at my cursor lol.

You have to assume you are doing the right movements if you don't do that you can't be good. Worrying too much about looking at your own cursor will make your map reading skills bad, it's all about muscle memory.

Wishy22 wrote:

I only look at hit circles, I never look at my cursor lol.

You have to assume you are doing the right movements if you don't do that you can't be good. Worrying too much about looking at your own cursor will make your map reading skills bad, it's all about muscle memory.

This is another case of "I do it this way and my way is the right way so everyone do it exactly like me"

If you focus on your cursor then you can't really focus on fast reading the map, meaning yeah you'll suck at some stuff, you will always somewhat look at your cursor, but you won't FOCUS on it, you will FOCUS on reading the map so you can actually do it. And if you don't do that, well then good luck trying to read AR 10/11 or complicated patterns on a first try.

Some methods are better than other ones, like it or not, you can look at how the best players play and you'll be surprised of how they do pretty much the same things on the same stuff. You can find a method that "suits you", but truth is playing with 1mm x 1mm area, focusing on your cursor w/o paying attention to each upcoming hit and using default skin will definitely limit your capacities.

wishy didn't understand it.

Neither did you. You can play using any technique you feel comfortable with, which does not mean that's the best for you at all, I used to feel comfortable by alternating, tried single tapping and got a lot better in 2 days, same thing when I changed my pen grip I got better at patterns in a few days just because of that. And got many friends who tried changing styles/grips/etc and got better by doing that since even when they were comfortable, their playing method was just bad (I think every good player from my country went through that lol).

well I think I'm good enough even though I focus on my cursor

You told me you can't read AR 10 and I got you whining about how some patterns/jumps where super impossible to do... you are kind of proving my point. :p

and still, by the end of the day, everybody plays the way they want to play.

Wishy22 wrote:

You told me you can't read AR 10 and I got you whining about how some patterns/jumps where super impossible to do... you are kind of proving my point. :p

oh jumps are easy to do now

ar10 being impossible has to do with me being naturally slow

thelewa wrote:

ar10 being impossible has to do with me being naturally slow

or so you believe

i agree with wishy, im more likely to hit full screen fast jumps by just relying on muscle memory and not watching the cursor

nah man I'm the kind of person who sees something and reacts to it 30s later

if someone punched me in the face I would realize that I got punched in the face 6 hours later

gr8

Wishy22 wrote:

I changed my pen grip I got better at patterns in a few days just because of that.

What kind of grip change was it? I'm still changing my active area and pen grip almost everytime I play, but can't find the right ones, everytime there's something that feels uncomfortable T.T

thelewa wrote:

nah man I'm the kind of person who sees something and reacts to it 30s later

if someone punched me in the face I would realize that I got punched in the face 6 hours later

Totally.

I agree with Wishy here, though. Muscle memory is a major part of my mouse playing and I never look directly at my cursor, even though I pay attention to it all the time to confirm my positioning is right.

Speaking of not looking at your cursor, playing with an invisible cursor is fun, yeah.
Replay for epeen. (not that you can see that my cursor is invisible, lol)

Oh, and sometimes it helps looking at the cursor, sometimes it helps looking at the next note. It kinda depends on the map =3=

Even if some method is better. How to prove it?

There is no way one can ever know if there is a superior playstyle or if there isn't.
Always watching the exact next note to press for my part. (Also trying to see squares and other complicated patterns as set of lines)

I actually don't look at neither my cursor nor notes, but approach circles. Explains why I'm so bad at reading, hidden and certain patterns. D:
I don't actually focus on the approach circles either, just use them as a reference on where to go, everything else is mostly peripheral vision.

But it's just the way I play so it's not that easy to change it. I like it too, because it's not as stressful.

Ami Furi Koneko wrote:

Wishy22 wrote:

I changed my pen grip I got better at patterns in a few days just because of that.

What kind of grip change was it? I'm still changing my active area and pen grip almost everytime I play, but can't find the right ones, everytime there's something that feels uncomfortable T.T

When I changed my area like 3 days ago, I also changed the way I hold my pen. I went from holding it all the way at the top. my thumb was around the "AM" letters where it says bamboo. Now I'm gripping it right above the pen click button. Also, yeah, I'm doing all patterns better, and more comfortably, easier to snap to notes around the corner with a slight move of my thumb. Also yeah, I don't look at my cursor either. I use a white cursor on a very light skin, dunno where my cursor is half of the time. That's why I need 75% bg dim to FC AR9 insanes. <.<

edit; a video of me playing with my skin, can't see shit approach circles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmp6zr_ ... ture=g-upl ;-;

I am playing without looking directly at my cursor, but still paying enough attention to it, either playing with mouse or tablet.

i ususally play some songs in the same difficult, and if i get b or a with a accuracy above of 90.00% of accuracy i play in the next diff the next time, but i usually play to another song in a difficult i can pass, or if i already play in one previous map i go to the next diff

I think being able to read AR10, AR9+DT or AR7+HR+DT is about having a global vision and not focusing on either notes or cursor. That's how i "used" to play when i was still trying to be competitive.

Tom94 wrote:

Even if some method is better. How to prove it?

Find about a thousand 100% thurstworthy asians who don't know of the game, make sure they are small asians in order to ensure cost efficiency (less noodles necessary to feed them with, and you can also save space), all of equal age, perfect eyesight, same muscle mass and identical learning capabilities.

Divide them into groups for every playing technique.

Lock them all in inside a room with a computer for every asian, with the exact same hardware on every one of the machines, and order them to learn playing osu! and to get a playcount of 5000 by the end of the week, no less and no more in order to ensure more accurate statistics. Make sure to have a listing of what maps they should play and practice on, in a set order and amount, so that they all play and practice on the same maps equally.

When they've played for a week, each and every one of them will get the same AR11 map to play, giving everyone two attempts is optional.

Measure the pass/fail and score ratio for each and every group, and you at the very least somewhat get the conclusion of what playing technique is more efficient.

What is everyone talking about when they mention Mouse acceleration? Didn't even know osu had it, can't find it anywhere under options?

mouse acceleration is overrated, doesn't affect gameplay that much because both require muscle memory.