Hi~ I'm new to osu! (been playing for almost 3 months) and I was just wondering: how long did it take everyone to switch from playing easy/normal/hard to insane? Did you skip the easier difficulties and head straight for the harder ones? I skipped right to insane the first week I joined. I couldn't pass insane songs for a while, so I constantly played songs far too hard for me with No Fail. Now however, I can play moderately fast insane songs and get around 90-95% on my first try without using any mods (on faster insanes I get about 80-87% first try typically). I have played a little over 10k times. Is this where I should be by now? Am I behind? Any feedback welcome.
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Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry
^ This.Luna wrote:
Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
Topic Starter
Glad I've been doing the right thing! Also, is it true that using No Fail lowers your overall accuracy?JAKANYAN wrote:
^ This.Luna wrote:
Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
It can also bring some bad habits which will be a real pain to get rid of. Highly depends on a player though. Most, I suppose, aren't facing this problem.JAKANYAN wrote:
playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.Luna wrote:
Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry
No Fail is not going to change anything itself... It just makes it so that you don't fail... but if you play really hard maps you can't beat, it theoretically will lower your accuracy.Kinenz wrote:
Glad I've been doing the right thing! Also, is it true that using No Fail lowers your overall accuracy?
But actually, nowadays, I don't think even bad troll scores with No Fail will even have that indirect effect anymore. This is because your accuracy is based on pp, and pp only calculates on maps which you do relatively well/really good on. Usually, you won't place anywhere high on the ranking list using No Fail, and thus pp is not calculated and neither is your accuracy. Though, there are maps like Freedom Dive.
This probably like the sole reason why I fking suck at squares (and other perfect polygons), cuz I keep trying to half-ass them with curvy movements.Ami Furi Koneko wrote:
It can also bring some bad habits which will be a real pain to get rid of. Highly depends on a player though. Most, I suppose, aren't facing this problem.
mfw like 10 top 300 ranks with NF can you guess the mapswinber1 wrote:
Usually, you won't place anywhere high on the ranking list using No Fail
Topic Starter
I've stopped using No Fail on insane/harder songs since a month ago. Now I only use it if I can't for my LIFE pass the song after trying over and over, especially on super crazy hard songs like The Big Black, which I play for fun even though I know they are far beyond my skill level. xDAmi Furi Koneko wrote:
It can also bring some bad habits which will be a real pain to get rid of. Highly depends on a player though. Most, I suppose, aren't facing this problem.JAKANYAN wrote:
playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
about a week or so maybe
it depends,JAKANYAN wrote:
^ This.Luna wrote:
Insanes at 10k plays is decent, don't worry
Also, the fact that you played songs you couldn't beat with nofail is actually the smartest thing you can do to improve. Most people think they have to play songs they can pass to improve but really playing what you can't or can barely pass is the best way to move forward.
some maps like big black or airman require a gradual improving of skills (trained up with other maps) before being passed.
especially big black... playing that map without the skill to play insane can lead to anything... u play it 10k times? well u will waste 10k plays without any result.
I've been doing the same thing as you when I started, cept I was able to do insanes at around 4000 plays
Due to what standards were back in 2008, I really have to know what you consider to be an "Insane" in order to adequately answer that question.
Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"
Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.
Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"
Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.
Took me like 2 months to pass insanes decently, after like 5k plays.
Topic Starter
I don't mean that I'm only just now able to do insanes. I was able to play insanes without no fail around 2 months ago (correcting myself from earlier when I said it was just one month ago) but I just get higher accuracy on them now. What I was really asking was if my accuracy is where it should be by now when playing insane songs. Sorry for not being more specific D: Also, should I be using mods on them by now? I can do hidden and doubletime on a few, but I mostly play without any mods at all (insane only). Sorry again if I'm being confusing ><[AirCoN] wrote:
I've been doing the same thing as you when I started, cept I was able to do insanes at around 4000 plays
Topic Starter
By "insane" I mean when the mapper either names his difficulty "insane" or when it is easy to tell that the map's difficulty suddenly got much harder compared to the previous difficulty in the map. I don't know any real terminology for this kind of stuff, so I apologize for sounding extremely nooby. ;_;Ekaru wrote:
Due to what standards were back in 2008, I really have to know what you consider to be an "Insane" in order to adequately answer that question.
Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"
Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.
I play with mouse acceleration on. Never changed. Jumps are easier with mouse acceleration lol. (For me)Ekaru wrote:
Due to what standards were back in 2008, I really have to know what you consider to be an "Insane" in order to adequately answer that question.
Modern-style Insanes? Like a week after I learned you were supposed to turn mouse acceleration off, which would be over a year in total, I guess? Keep in mind that this game is bloody impossible to play with mouse acceleration. After I turned it off it was like, "OMG this jump map is suddenly extremely easy!"
Passing with A's and stuff on a regular basis didn't come until very recently, though, soon after I started playing semi-seriously again for the first time in over 3.5 years. I've been surprised at how quickly I've improved, actually.
it took me about a month. when I started playing I immediately started using mods on easy/normal maps and it helped quite a lot
Tom69_old
If "5 stars" (happy30 diff) counts as insane: 8 days.
If it actually has to be a moderately hard 5 star map: ~2 weeks.
1600 DPI + enabled mouse acceleration if I remember correctly.
Had about 1k plays in my first month. So 250 - 500 plays respectively. :>
I'm really glad to have youtube'd every single milestone I took in osu! since I started playing. Really helps to pull out such information.
If it actually has to be a moderately hard 5 star map: ~2 weeks.
1600 DPI + enabled mouse acceleration if I remember correctly.
Had about 1k plays in my first month. So 250 - 500 plays respectively. :>
I'm really glad to have youtube'd every single milestone I took in osu! since I started playing. Really helps to pull out such information.
It was an oldfag joke. ;P A ton of Insanes back then would be extremely easy by today's standards if it wasn't for their fucking tiny circles that are a son of a bitch to aim for. Hards made by mappers like James, DJPop, and Rolled were what you really wanted to play back then for a good challenge, and certain ones would even qualify as "Insanes" by today's standards.Kinenz wrote:
By "insane" I mean when the mapper either names his difficulty "insane" or when it is easy to tell that the map's difficulty suddenly got much harder compared to the previous difficulty in the map. I don't know any real terminology for this kind of stuff, so I apologize for sounding extremely nooby. ;_;
That said, when put that way I'd guess... some months? It was so long ago. Plus I couldn't stream for crap back then, which didn't help at all.
Regardless, you're progressing at a reasonable pace. Don't worry too much about it and just keep playing hard stuff.
This^ but i had like a 5k play countLybydose wrote:
about a week or so maybe
It's natural for our hands to move in a circular motion than snapping to form a square. Though you could train on doing these things but it would be quite hardDefacer wrote:
I knew people had problems with squares but you are the first one that I can refer to - goddamn it's the same ! - I always do strange curvy movements when squares appear because im afraid i shall be late for the next one and basically on squares i look like a complete noob, so I guess that is rly some sort of a bad habit, also I don't like to wait on circles and sliders, so I basically like fast AR and low AR makes me suffer, I just can't imagine hitting a note and then being able to stay on the same place for like 0.5 sec and can jump to the other one, I always must do rapid movements across the map without thinking or waiting
It took me a few months because when I first started, I only played easy 1-3 star songs. I was too used to the easy songs, so when I started playing the harder ones, it took me a lot longer to adapt. 
4 months or something before I turned mouse accel off \o\
Then another few months before I could pass some of the easier stuff /o/
Then another few months before I could pass some of the easier stuff /o/
nrii_old
cant remember if i joined osu on 22nd june or 26th of june in 2010 but http://puu.sh/klM http://puu.sh/klO found these old screenshots from before i was even aevv, iirc it only took me a week or two to be doing insanes
musta been 22nd cause http://puu.sh/klK i did this hard on the 23rd
musta been 22nd cause http://puu.sh/klK i did this hard on the 23rd
It was only a couple weeks for me too, but I sucked when I first started playing Insanes, and I only played to pass them. I believed at the time that I would only improve if I played nothing but Insanes. I tend to still think that this is a good way to begin, as long as you do reasonably well on Hards already, and are able to find Insanes that aren't terribly difficult to start with.
A long ass time.
Well, i completely skipped doing easy and medium and went straight to hard and insane. I put this down to the fact that i'm a drummer and have been playing guitar hero on expert and DDR for years. I'm at 2.5k plays and it's only now i'm truly grasping how to play the really hard songs though. So i'd imagine 10k would be very decent for a completely new person to rhythm games seeing as it took me ages to get good at gh. Also the switch to using a tablet over mouse made me instantly better. It's all down to each individual though. Keep it up bro 
It took me 6 months to even be able to try Insanes
although that's when I got my tablet and I instantly became good after that, landed my first #1's soon after that and everything.
although that's when I got my tablet and I instantly became good after that, landed my first #1's soon after that and everything.
Now that everyone is discussing how long it took them. It probably took me about 1 month to pass Insanes with my mouse. Then I got a tablet and started S'ing insanes. About 3 months after I got my tablet I tried my first HD HR song ever (That Kung-Fu) one Tana has a video of and S'd that in about 10 tries and that's when I started HR HD everything.
Long story short: get a tablet, become good instantly
What if SiLviA gets a tablet D:
He never will already asked him.Jordan wrote:
What if SiLviA gets a tablet D:
No.thelewa wrote:
Long story short: get a tablet, become good instantly
This was absolutely correct for me.lolcubes wrote:
No.thelewa wrote:
Long story short: get a tablet, become good instantly
Tablets make you pro instantly.
nrii_old
Tablet makes you pro instantly
if you were playing mouse with acceleration
if you were playing mouse with acceleration
Tablet made me pro instantly, therefore it will make you pro instantly.
I'm glad you understand my way of thinking.CXu wrote:
Tablet made me pro instantly, therefore it will make you pro instantly.
edit: After all, every single human being is the same, they all learn at the same speed and such, right?
Tom69_old
Tablet also has full area by default which is like very small DPI. Most mouse players are used to high DPI which is terribly inaccurate and hard to play with.
No accel low dpi mouse is way more accurate than tablet hands down ._.
No accel low dpi mouse is way more accurate than tablet hands down ._.
I believe it took me around 2-3 months to pass my first insane (well an easy insane XD).
I'm a mouse player and I play 400 dpi with mouse acceleration on.
Keep in mind that, every player has a different improvement rate.
For me, I'm improve at a relatively slow rate.
PS: Tablet is NOT easy to use.
I'm a mouse player and I play 400 dpi with mouse acceleration on.
Keep in mind that, every player has a different improvement rate.
For me, I'm improve at a relatively slow rate.
PS: Tablet is NOT easy to use.
I too play 400 dpi with mouse acc on and also improve at a snail's rate. Hi5 bro!BeatofIke wrote:
I believe it took me around 2-3 months to pass my first insane (well an easy insane XD).
I'm a mouse player and I play 400 dpi with mouse acceleration on.
Keep in mind that, every player has a different improvement rate.
For me, I'm improve at a relatively slow rate.
PS: Tablet is NOT easy to use.
Took me like 3-4 months upon purchase of my tablet just to reach my old mouse skill level. Being left handed sucks, particularly for this game zzz. i don't even know how to play with mouse anymore (1 year's worth of experience down the drain) \o/
As for topic, a few weeks iirc. pretty sure i wasn't screwing around with mods and was working on passing as many songs as possible on a daily basis back then.
As for topic, a few weeks iirc. pretty sure i wasn't screwing around with mods and was working on passing as many songs as possible on a daily basis back then.
as long as i played with mouse i barely could do hard maps...
then when i got a tablet i could do insane instantly :<
i think it was around 6000 or 7000 plays when i got the tablet : )
then when i got a tablet i could do insane instantly :<
i think it was around 6000 or 7000 plays when i got the tablet : )
If i didn't have my tablet i would be mediocre as heck.
Hey, I'm currently at 1.5k plays and can pass some insanes on B first try. I made a huge jump from hards to insanes (like in a few hours) after disabling windows acceleration and lowering my DPI to 800 from 1600. Thanks to everyone in this thread t/91591/start=75, yours advices helped me a lot. I play mouse only.
Actually playing mainly to improve after getting a tablet had me able to SS and S insane maps in 2 months (i'm lazy as fuck though and not nearly as committed as all these kids playing), and buying the black widow keyboard has me able to stream really well after a few months (and even stream kinda fast, not that fast though).
I lose skill rapidly if i don't keep playing. It's really annoying.
key for success: Play with a tablet for 5 hours or so once you get it, instantly use a big area (look at like M A I D's profile to see for example) play easy maps whatever you gotta do to get used to it. Once you do just start doing insanes/hards, your skill will increase super rapidly.
Main thing I noticed when I got a tablet is that I was instantly really good at spinning (430-460+).
The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse. And I love using the mouse, i play all kinds of fps games, good aim good reactions etc, always a top player in whatever game but osu! is just perfect for a pen tablet.
TLDR: buy a tablet if you like this game and don't have the irrational tablet hating mentality because you can't afford one. orz
I lose skill rapidly if i don't keep playing
. It's really annoying.key for success: Play with a tablet for 5 hours or so once you get it, instantly use a big area (look at like M A I D's profile to see for example) play easy maps whatever you gotta do to get used to it. Once you do just start doing insanes/hards, your skill will increase super rapidly.
Main thing I noticed when I got a tablet is that I was instantly really good at spinning (430-460+).
The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse. And I love using the mouse, i play all kinds of fps games, good aim good reactions etc, always a top player in whatever game but osu! is just perfect for a pen tablet.
TLDR: buy a tablet if you like this game and don't have the irrational tablet hating mentality because you can't afford one. orz
Nonsense. Tablet causes wrist pain and mouse doesn't. With tablet you have to hold the pen steady over every circle while mouse just sits there once you're done with your jump. Mouse is way more laid back.Unkind wrote:
The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse.
The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.Aqo wrote:
Nonsense. Tablet causes wrist pain and mouse doesn't. With tablet you have to hold the pen steady over every circle while mouse just sits there once you're done with your jump. Mouse is way more laid back.Unkind wrote:
The effort required to play with a tablet is like 1/15th of a mouse.
Oh my, my wrist wants a word with you Aqo.
Even playing with a keyboard for fun still tires my wrist, maybe I'm just a wimp with no stamina then.
Even playing with a keyboard for fun still tires my wrist, maybe I'm just a wimp with no stamina then.
But it's also a lot easier to adjust/aim. At least for me, if I use mouse, and if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.thelewa wrote:
The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.
But then again, that was only helpful a long time ago, when I sucked at playing everything. Nowadays, I don't even look at my cursor since I don't really have time to, and my aim is pretty decent
Transparent cursor ftwwinber1 wrote:
But it's also a lot easier to adjust/aim. At least for me, if I use mouse, and if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.thelewa wrote:
The part about wrist pain is not true for most players, but the thing about actually needing effort to hold the pen steady over every circle is true. Actually stopping at a circle is really damn hard at first with tablets.
But then again, that was only helpful a long time ago, when I sucked at playing everything. Nowadays, I don't even look at my cursor since I don't really have time to, and my aim is pretty decent
I don't know man, I still don't know how to aim with a tablet
shit's impossible
shit's impossible
lower your dpi and you'll be less prone to overshooting/undershooting jumps. Also looking at your own cursor does help.winber1 wrote:
if I overshoot/undershoot, I'm basically fked.
I think I typically look at what I am aiming at next, not my cursor. I don't think I see any advantage to doing it the other way. Shouldn't your muscles be worried about your cursor and your eyes worried about your target?
Try playing circle size 6 without looking at your cursor good luck.
who cares about circle size 6? how many maps are there that have that?
every single small circle map with HR...silmarilen wrote:
who cares about circle size 6? how many maps are there that have that?