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Newbie Mafia 8 (Flawless Town Win)

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Topic Starter
NoHitter
Sent all the PMs.
Please confirm you received your role!
Jinxy
Confirm
Lincolm
OK. Confirmed
bmin11
confirm
Sync
confirm
Rantai
Confirm.
akrolsmir
confirm.
Nyquill
confirming
Jayel
Confirmed~
Topic Starter
NoHitter
The mafia seems to have invaded our peaceful little town!
We must stop them at once! Form a lynch mob, quickly!

IT IS NOW DAY 1. WITH 9 ALIVE, IT TAKES 5 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN 104 HOURS.


(104 since 96 hours from now, I don't have internet access.)
Jayel
Well, may we first know how many mafias, cops, and doctors are?
Jinxy

NoHitter wrote:

Setup:
This game will use the F11 setup. One of these four setups will be picked randomly and used:
1 - Mafia Roleblocker, 1 - Mafia Goon, 1 - Cop, 1 - Doctor, 5 - Vanilla Townies
2 - Mafia Goons, 1 - Cop, 6 - Vanilla Townies
2 - Mafia Goons, 1 - Doctor, 6 - Vanilla Townies
1 - Mafia Roleblocker, 1 - Mafia Goon, 7 - Vanilla Townies
It's one of the 4 here. No one truly knows which one right now, that's why it's a semi-open setup.
Lincolm
And we must find the those mafia with voting right?

OK, this is scary. :lol:
Nyquill
At the very least we know that there are 2 scum, regardless of the setup. Which means safe lynches D1 and 2.
Rantai
Which isn't much if we're dealing with the 4th setup.
Lybydose
replacement in
akrolsmir
So, anyone up for a massclaim?
Jinxy
How is that going to help? Maf and Doc will fakeclaim VT, and if we have a Cop and he claims, then the mafia would know if there's a Doc or not due to the setup while town still can't confirm the setup.

And if everyone claims VT we're back to square one.
Jayel
It is sort of complicated.... since I'm a newbie here, though I've played Mafia games in many other places... :/
Lincolm
And we know each night we lost 2 man if we don't catch the mafia.
Kanye West

Lincolm wrote:

And we know each night we lost 2 man if we don't catch the mafia.
No, just 1.

let's get this party started

vote Sync im telling ya he's out to get us all!
Jayel
vote : Kanye West

I feel like voting the voter.
Rantai
Kayne is clearly distance voting his scum buddy.
Jayel
Unvote: Kanye West

Sorry, I think I can't participate this game... (goodness...)
I need replacement. :cry:
Jinxy

Jayel wrote:

Unvote: Kanye West

Sorry, I think I can't participate this game... (goodness...)
I need replacement. :cry:
Somehow I read this as "someone's suspicious of distance votings and I distance voted gotta bail"
bmin11
Umm.... ya, I think that's a record for fast replacement call if we have any.

I'm surprised someone actually suggested a massclaim already. Care to explain your thoughts, akro?

It has been 33 hours already since the start of the day, meaning we have around 70 hours left, and yet you start a random vote. Kayne, are you sure your vote is not going to impact the lynch result, or you simply don't care?
bmin11

JInxyjem wrote:

Jayel wrote:

Unvote: Kanye West

Sorry, I think I can't participate this game... (goodness...)
I need replacement. :cry:
Somehow I read this as "someone's suspicious of distance votings and I distance voted gotta bail"
To say the least, he is either having real life issues, or hyper-paranoid.
Rantai
D:
Nyquill

Kanye West wrote:

let's get this party started
I'm cool with this

vote: bmin11
Lincolm
Although I don't cooperate with Kanye, random told me to Vote : Sync :lol:
Kanye West

bmin11 wrote:

Umm.... ya, I think that's a record for fast replacement call if we have any.

I'm surprised someone actually suggested a massclaim already. Care to explain your thoughts, akro?

It has been 33 hours already since the start of the day, meaning we have around 70 hours left, and yet you start a random vote. Kayne, are you sure your vote is not going to impact the lynch result, or you simply don't care?
I thought akro was joking with the massclaim thing so i random voted, lol
Jayel
I suggested the replacement because I cannot have internet access for two days.
No other reasons.
bmin11

Kayne West wrote:

I thought akro was joking with the massclaim thing so i random voted, lol
What made you believe in that? I couldn't notice that at all :<

And are you guys really want a random-vote-fest while we only have 56 hours left? Remember, we are not in the same time zone (I'm in S.Korea for example) and this means we will be taking atleast a day or two to actually have some kind of a discussion. So please, hold you votes back.

I'm actually surprised you guys just disregarded my post
Nyquill
Thought I'd like to mention when kanye started the random vote it was not late at all, 70 hours to discuss and provide results. In fact, we had even less time for anime mafia and a random vote proved somewhat useful.

But seriously if we're doing a random vote we need everyone to follow through, if we started one at around the time bmin posted, it wouldn't have been too late

unvote
Lincolm
Nyquill got the point, but maybe discussion better.

Unvote
akrolsmir

bmin11 wrote:

I'm surprised someone actually suggested a massclaim already. Care to explain your thoughts, akro?

JInxyjem wrote:

And if everyone claims VT we're back to square one.
thatsthejoke.jpg

Nyquill wrote:

But seriously if we're doing a random vote we need everyone to follow through, if we started one at around the time bmin posted, it wouldn't have been too late
I'm not sure your idea of a random vote squares with mine, but having everyone follow through is absolutely not necessary to create enough useful information to discuss which IMO is the point of rvs.

For instance, vote: bmin11 on a perceived unwillingness to have votes flying around lest he be lynched.
Rantai

Jayel wrote:

I suggested the replacement because I cannot have internet access for two days.
No other reasons.
If it's only 2 days then you should be fine to get back into it, if you wanted to.

@Akro - Could just be overly cautious (which doesn't make much sense when I think about it, for the first day).
bmin11
I wouldn't have been this cautious if the forum was only more active.

I'm worried of townies getting lynched from lurker's random vote. I'm skeptical that people will fully participate D1, after watching several games before this one.

I know this went well for Themeless Mafia, but the chance of this happening is 2/9 + mafia lurking, which I think it's quite slim.


akro wrote:

thatsthejoke.jpg
Please don't make this kinds of joke in Newbie Mafia. Anywhere, but not in Newbie Mafia.
Jinxy

akrolsmir wrote:

For instance, vote: bmin11 on a perceived unwillingness to have votes flying around lest he be lynched.
I see subtle scumpainting of bmin here. bmin was unwilling because he felt there wasn't enough time and a townie could end up being lynched, not himself.
Rantai
However, that entire sentiment (for lack of better words) still includes himself.
bmin11
I don't see the point of this argument at all. Are you suggesting that disagreeing with risking possible town lynches leads to being over-cautious of it's own life?

Anyway, the day ends in 40 hours. I'm thinking of prodding Sync, since he hasn't posted a single post, while having two votes on him. If anyone agrees, do the prodding for me.

Heading to bed. Good night.
Rantai
Unless you're outright claiming mafia right now, yes.

Especially with a lynch that is based purely on words and no actions. The thing that got me raising an eyebrow was this is coming straight off a player with a vote on him. Not much but it's curious.
akrolsmir
@bmin We're always going to be risking town lynches, unless we have a claimed cop. Our chances with a lynch (2/9) are much better than our chances of waiting for the nk (0/9).

Also, what is up with explicitly pointing out Sync's lurking and NOT prodding him? (prod:Sync)

Thus far I have not been dissuaded of lynching bmin.
bmin11

Rantai wrote:

Unless you're outright claiming mafia right now, yes.

Especially with a lynch that is based purely on words and no actions. The thing that got me raising an eyebrow was this is coming straight off a player with a vote on him. Not much but it's curious.
It's uncharacteristic of you that you have gotten your facts wrong. Sync was the one that got the first vote and was the only vote when I started rambling about "it's too late and dangerous to start a RVS"

I guess it could be taken that way if we look at Nyquill's vote (which came after my post) and my second post following that, but why should I suddenly change my thoughts just from that single vote?
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Prodded Sync

VOTE COUNT:
Sync (1) - Kanye West
bmin11 (1) - akrolsmir

Not Voting (7) - JInxyjem, Rantai, bmin11, Nyquill, Sync, Lincolm, Jayel

DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 24 HOURS.

Edit: Fixed the incorrect votes.
Rantai
Well ok point taken, but you still continue to urge us to be cautious but present no other alternatives at this moment.

Until I see something else your over-cautiousness is still unwarranted.
Sync
fff, I was expecting a PM at the start of D1

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with random voting D1 -- even at the very start. As long as someone doesn't hammer in without town's consensus (aka scum or stupid newbtown) then we're fine.
akrolsmir
... prod: everyone not named Rantai, bmin or Sync

What do you all think about lynching one of the many lurkers day 1?
bmin11
Can we have another 24 or 48 hours? I'm going to be gone for a day.

Even though I don't know how this is related to me being cautious of single vote lynch, but I'll try to think of one. Actually, everyone else should as well for the better good of town.
Lincolm
12 Hours left?

I don't have any idea to vote whom. The best idea still random vote in first day.

Well, maybe bmin really like to analyze every single kind of vote (and post) that coming trough which make him cautious. A good player, isn't he?
Nyquill

Lincolm wrote:

I don't have any idea to vote whom. The best idea still random vote in first day.
Not really an option anymore, as a reactionary guage will no longer work at this point.

Kanye where the hell are you we haven't seen you in 2 pages along with Jayel (but he has internet problems?).

And my point still stands that bmin called off kanye's random vote way too early. Being "cautious" has its limits.
Jayel
Sorry for the inactivity, guys.

Well, I do not have any idea whom I should vote, either.
Maybe Sync is the only one I have doubt on.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
I'm extending the deadline by 24 hours.
This will be your only extension for this day.
Kanye West
Cool, thanks for the extension; I was out of town yesterday. Sure we could lynch lurkers, but no one's really lurking anymore, are they? I guess my RV still stands for now anyway. I don't really want to vote bmin unless town reaches a solid consensus. Being cautious =/= mafia.
Lincolm
Vote : No-Lynch

Sorry, just don't want pick anyone without reason even I like using random.
akrolsmir
@Lincolm - Well, if we go no-lynch, that gives us a 0% chance of hitting mafia while they have 100% chance of hitting town tonight. And when we start up tomorrow, we'll be in the same place as today not knowing who to lynch, and be down one person. Meanwhile, if we do lynch someone, even if it's town we'll have a record of who was willing to lynch that person and who abstained, which is useful information as we move on. For that reason, no-lynch day 1 is usually a bad idea.

@Kanye- Are you really comfortable lynching Sync with your 1 random vote? Because that's the way things are looking so far.
Sync

Jayel wrote:

Sorry for the inactivity, guys.

Well, I do not have any idea whom I should vote, either.
Maybe Sync is the only one I have doubt on.
Don't point your finger without telling us why.

vote: Jayel

Basically parroting, added nothing with his post and simply posted so he wouldn't be deemed as a lurker in aims that the spotlight wouldn't be on him. Unless you guys want to lynch a lurker or somebody random, Jayel is probably the best bet in terms of a D1 lynch.

What do you guys think?
Rantai
I was attributing that to being new (mainly because I haven't seen him play enough to know better).
Jinxy
Sorry for slight inactivity, schoolwork and stuff the past few days

Rantai wrote:

I was attributing that to being new (mainly because I haven't seen him play enough to know better).

Jayel wrote:

It is sort of complicated.... since I'm a newbie here, though I've played Mafia games in many other places... :/
Honestly, I wouldn't dismiss him that easily, considering he claims to have played before.
bmin11
I was thinking of no-lynch, but the chance of having no pro-town roles has just made the plan to sound even worse then it was.

Well... I hate how scummy this is going to sound like, but if akro doesn't unvote me (even though I have made a post how his reasoning does not make sense), I'll be voting someone else just to save myself. I know lynching me is going to be a town lynch with a chance of 100%, so I would rathershoot for the 1/4 chance now.
Jayel
The reason I doubted Sync was sort of simple: he was silently waiting while others are talking -- (it was solely based on my prejudice, but)
Now I've got to have my decision.

Vote: Sync

I think he is being aggressive on me after I said I have doubt on him.
Lincolm
@akro : Thought of that also. I just thinking for the save search also. Maybe with more people we get more informations. Although I agree with yours also. I will thinking of that but I still on my option.

4 hours left
Sync
Are you calling my "aggressiveness" unjustified?

Again, you're not explaining anything -- you're typing a load of crap which is why I'm voting for you in the first place.
Jayel

Sync wrote:

Are you calling my "aggressiveness" unjustified?
Man, I have never said that your aggressiveness is unjustifiable.

The word I just said before I voted you was that "I had doubt on you" but, you know, I was not going to absolutely vote you at that time.

What I call unjustifiable is, so to speak, that you became sensitive right after the moment I said "I had doubt on you"
and shortly put a vote on me. This one finally motivated me to decide to vote you.

On the light of your thesis, I think the reason of yours of voting me does not make sense, either.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
Sync (2) - Kanye West, Jayel
bmin11 (1) - akrolsmir
Jayel (1) - Sync
No Lynch (1) - Lincolm

Not Voting (4) - JInxyjem, Rantai, bmin11, Nyquill

You all decide to lynch Sync.
After doing so, you find a gun in his pocket and some a paper containing orders from the Mafia.
Sync - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 1

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.
DEADLINE IS IN 24 HOURS.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
It was a peaceful night. No one died at all.

IT IS NOW DAY 2. WITH 8 ALIVE, IT TAKES 5 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
Jinxy
... If it weren't a semi-open setup I would have screamed cult like anime mafia

There's no decent motive I can imagine for mafia to not kill, so I'm assuming the guy was inactive or inattentive.
Rantai
Doctor?

Not sure why you would rule that out...
Jinxy
...OH.

derp, the fact how much the lynch/kill events were so close to anime just made me forget
Nyquill

JInxyjem wrote:

...OH.

derp, the fact how much the lynch/kill events were so close to anime just made me forget
this game is flavorless though...

Assuming mafia is actually playing to win and that the doctor got the right person, we can also confirm the existance of a cop.
Like always, in case its one of the new people, claim only if you got mafia.
bmin11

Nyquill wrote:

Assuming mafia is actually playing to win and that the doctor got the right person, we can also confirm the existance of a cop.
I don't think I'm getting this. There is also a setup that only has a doctor.

I think we are pretty safe to assume we have a doctor with us, who was able to save last night (I guess it's still possible that we might be having another Themeless Mafia >_> <_< >_> <_<)
bmin11
Oh and I'm having my FoS (finger of suspicion) towards Lincolm for his/her vote. Akro made a decent enough post for why no lynch was a bad idea, and a bit of add ups from myself as well. I'm going to take this as a possible attempt to save Sync from getting lynched. I'll be expecting a post from you about this.

The only part that makes me hesitate is that Sync hasn't voted for No Lynch. Maybe Sync was worried that the tied between himself and Lincolm would become too obvious with his lynch? I don't know.
Lincolm
At least we know that we have a doctor.

It almost not possible the last mafia got inactive in the first night with akrolsmir already asked to proded all of us before the end time.
akrolsmir

bmin11 wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Assuming mafia is actually playing to win and that the doctor got the right person, we can also confirm the existance of a cop.
I don't think I'm getting this. There is also a setup that only has a doctor.
Looks like a scum slip- Nyquill's the remaining roleblocker and thus knows that the existence of a doctor confirms a cop. Vote: Nyquill

Say what you like in denial, I'm not changing my vote for today.
bmin11

Lincolm wrote:

At least we know that we have a doctor.

It almost not possible the last mafia got inactive in the first night with akrolsmir already asked to proded all of us before the end time.

bmin11 wrote:

Oh and I'm having my FoS (finger of suspicion) towards Lincolm for his/her vote. Akro made a decent enough post for why no lynch was a bad idea, and a bit of add ups from myself as well. I'm going to take this as a possible attempt to save Sync from getting lynched. I'll be expecting a post from you about this.

The only part that makes me hesitate is that Sync hasn't voted for No Lynch. Maybe Sync was worried that the tied between himself and Lincolm would become too obvious with his lynch? I don't know.


And I'll also be waiting for Nyquill's post.
Nyquill
WELL MASSIVE DERP I was remembering the two setups mentioned of having either 2 or none because of that discussion earlier and I completely forgot about the existance of the other two.

Third time I'll be slapping myself here.
akrolsmir
Haha, no. Try harder.

Actually, don't, and let us lynch you :D.
Kanye West
Why are you pushing so hard for his lynch? he derped.
Jinxy

Kanye West wrote:

Why are you pushing so hard for his lynch? he derped.
This probably sounds hypocritical coming from a guy who derped posts earlier, but akro's push is completely valid, and Nyquill's reason for his derp doesn't make any sense to me, because I didn't see any discussion that fit what Nyquill was talking about. In fact, I even quoted all 4 setups at the start of D1.
Another thing why he might be fixed on the all or nothing is because these are the only setups with a roleblocker too, just saying

Vote: Nyquill
Jayel
Well, I don't get anything. I'll hold my vote for a while this time ...
bmin11
I'm either happy for Nyquil or Lincolm lynch for today
Nyquill

JInxyjem wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

because I didn't see any discussion that fit what Nyquill was talking about.

Kanye West wrote:

why is there a need for a mafia roleblocker if there's 7 vanilla townies

akrolsmir wrote:

Presumably to make scum think that there is a cop and doctor to watch out for.
First page signups.
Rantai

JInxyjem wrote:

Another thing why he might be fixed on the all or nothing is because these are the only setups with a roleblocker too, just saying
Actually, that's a good point.

Though the focus was on roleblockers earlier (as shown) so he could be genuinely be mixing it up. But right now I'm more inclined to believe the former.
Jinxy

Nyquill wrote:

JInxyjem wrote:

because I didn't see any discussion that fit what Nyquill was talking about.

Kanye West wrote:

why is there a need for a mafia roleblocker if there's 7 vanilla townies

akrolsmir wrote:

Presumably to make scum think that there is a cop and doctor to watch out for.
First page signups.

JInxyjem wrote:

In fact, I even quoted all 4 setups at the start of D1.
Which was after signups.
Lincolm

bmin11 wrote:

Oh and I'm having my FoS (finger of suspicion) towards Lincolm for his/her vote. Akro made a decent enough post for why no lynch was a bad idea, and a bit of add ups from myself as well. I'm going to take this as a possible attempt to save Sync from getting lynched. I'll be expecting a post from you about this.

The only part that makes me hesitate is that Sync hasn't voted for No Lynch. Maybe Sync was worried that the tied between himself and Lincolm would become too obvious with his lynch? I don't know.
I'm just giving my analyze. I said almost because there is a change that the mafia inactive. Surely I'm not explain that, but I mention it. That just an analyze, but you can also analyze my post too, so I know how should make better word next time.

Well, maybe Nyquill derped maybe not. I want to see more (probably).

I think bmin have a suspicious think. Because of random vote to Sync (also Kanye but unvote) made him overcautious. Maybe he want to save Sync from the vote because he know Sync is his friend. Just another analyze. Hey, this is not a revenge, I'm just giving my opinion, because I don't see anything suspicious in the other, sorry for that.
Nyquill

JInxyjem wrote:

JInxyjem wrote:

In fact, I even quoted all 4 setups at the start of D1.
Which was after signups.
The reason why its such a massive derp is because I missed everything after that.
bmin11
I think bmin have a suspicious think. Because of random vote to Sync (also Kanye but unvote) made him overcautious. Maybe he want to save Sync from the vote because he know Sync is his friend. Just another analyze. Hey, this is not a revenge, I'm just giving my opinion, because I don't see anything suspicious in the other, sorry for that.
(I'm not gonna lie, this is pretty good analyze). I don't have a defense for this. I'm sad with myself for having such bad luck. This happened to me for Touhou Mafia, where I defended KRZY, the mafia.
Lincolm
Prod : Akrolsmir and Kanye West

Nah, just trying to prodding when there is a change. :lol:
Is my prodding right?
Rantai
bmin sounds like he's going for a meta grab. Bad luck is a little too watery for my taste.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Prodded akrolsmir and Kanye West.

VOTE COUNT:
Nyquill (2) - akrolsmir, JInxyjem

Not Voting (6) - Rantai, bmin11, Nyquill, Lincolm, Kanye West, Jayel
akrolsmir
Not Voting (6) - Rantai, bmin11, Nyquill, Lincolm, Kanye West, Jayel
This is pretty ridiculous. I really don't see the point of being prodded when no one's actually doing anything.

Everyone, go vote for Nyquill or come up with a very convincing reason why you aren't.
Sync
Gah, I wanted to play ;_;

Oh well. Have fun guys

Go scum!
Kanye West

akrolsmir wrote:

Not Voting (6) - Rantai, bmin11, Nyquill, Lincolm, Kanye West, Jayel
This is pretty ridiculous. I really don't see the point of being prodded when no one's actually doing anything.

Everyone, go vote for Nyquill or come up with a very convincing reason why you aren't.
I'm not voting for him because he probably pulled a TBTE #superconvincingreasons
bmin11

akro wrote:

a very convincing reason why you aren't
Well, I don't have a decent enough reason to not vote for Nyquil. Though, his excuse makes sense and seems believable at some point. I'll still vote for Nyquil at the end if I don't find anything else.
Jayel
I can't easily vote Nyquil 'cause I'm not really sure if he is the most suspicious one.
I'm still holding my vote.
Rantai
There isn't enough on the table for me to make a confident vote. All I've got is a slight lean on Nyquil and bmin.
Lincolm

akrolsmir wrote:

Not Voting (6) - Rantai, bmin11, Nyquill, Lincolm, Kanye West, Jayel
This is pretty ridiculous. I really don't see the point of being prodded when no one's actually doing anything.

Everyone, go vote for Nyquill or come up with a very convincing reason why you aren't.
I'm just learning it.
Sorry fot that.

Well I have the reason, but not very convincing one. I thought the last mafia would be very very very caution with their words so he could stand longer in this game. In the case, the innocent would not think about that and make extra careless word which make him fishy, but there is possibility the mafia slipped.

I'm not voting because I fell so sorry for voting someone. :lol:
bmin11
Ah, the beauty of WIFOM
Lincolm
I just learned WIFOM meaning. Thanks for the info. Thanks to MafiaWiki too. :lol:

Well, if you want to know I really suspicious almost everyone cause of my own analyze... And I oppressed with this. :lol:
bmin11
vote: Nyquil
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