well,that's quite a good idea,though I liked it partially

what's about Pop and Mod counters - that'd be awesome..popularity is simple (if these points could be given for free,as I understood,because you were talking about players,who don't experienced much in mapping/modding). though again,it's kinda similar to old kudosu system,where people could star any map for free. thus, even despite duplicate accounts it will be something like "the more friends you have - the more Pop you got on your map". and so such an interesting idea won't be enough effective

if I missunderstood something or you have a solve for this - go on

Mod counter is what I've been looking for because I have personal mod policies about how many posts there should be before poking mats/bats to mod,but,if talking seriously,it takes me some minutes to browse a thread and search for mod posts..also,that makes me sort out the mod posts by its quality - if I see that there're enough posts but they all were like "move this 1 grid down and nc here" - I just won't mod it and ask mapper to get some more..also,I always ask mapper to get mods for taiko diffs (if there're some in the mapset). so anyway,I'd have to check 'em all to see if there were taiko-specific mod posts. and of course,by looking at mod posts you can deny unfair kds and moreover,look over potential MAT members

and all in all,Mod counter is most likely useful for mats/bats only - regular modders choose the maps by their music preferences or requests
so again I have doubts that this idea will be useful enough to change the system that much

all in all,your ideas are wise and interesting,but so far I can't really see a strong need in upgrading a system.maybe because I like our current one - "promote your maps (a.k.a. shoot stars) by helping others (a.k.a. mod maps)". the only weak point I see - is that players,who don't tend to mod can't support the maps they like..but previously there was an idea about "Like" feature - well,something like your Pop counter

what's about supporting other maps when you can't choose where to spend your kds - what's bad? ranking a map should be a privelege,and this requires to help someone else to get a success in it..probably it's a bit harsh to beginners (though we can always help them,right?) or lazy dudes,but at least that's fair

and another one comment:

Shiirn wrote:

Make bubbled maps automatically move to another place - Most likely a subforum in pending. This lets people still look through unbubbled maps easily and efficiently, and allows BATs to look through bubbles more easily as well. In this forum, we can sort by Last Modpost Date, allowing for old bubbles to be sorted easily.

uh? isn't it used already? o3o
I mean,bubbles are sorted in the first pages

what's about old bubbles - well,if our "Old bubbles thread" isn't effective much as it requires a lot of work to update it
why not to let mappers add their bubbled maps in some list..or at least ask them to post in some thread when they get a bubble - and mats/bats will add them to op,dunno

1. In practice, popularity of songs in different genre differs significantly, enlarging the problem that come rare choices of song recieves less caring (2kd-system may cover this one). If this is simply a numerical requirement, mappers will just find everyone and tell them "hey give me a pop-level (pop-level sounds lol), just like people asking others "hey star my map" back to the days that the first star is free. Then popularity level is even easier to be abused comparing with current system.
2. Mod-level's problem: In practice some modder tends to star the map after certain rechecks --- starring the map shound't be linked with (the a certain modder's) first mod.

Maybe you can try to mention SP system (do with maps) instead of "throwing kd system away" (kd sth deal with mod) that's bit misleading o3o

For me it's like # of mods = count by myself reading others' comments or problems; popularity = number of posts/views is pretty good estimating already, and imo popularity of a mapset is largely depending on the song while the quality of map is only has a boosting effect in general, which doesn't really help much about map's quality.

Icy speaks most of my idea already, and I agree that

I can't really see a strong need in upgrading a system.

and maybe I don't think it's not really "unfair" because the costly and limited stars pushes us to save for better maps that deserve stars while sacrificing the rest of the map.

Garven wrote:

Quick thought on the mod plus end: I wonder if this will push the mindset of always giving kudosu regardless of usefulness/perceived effort to attain the coveted priority.

I don't see why it would; any MAT or BAT would be able to tell at a glance whether the post was actually worthy in their eyes or not.

does it really solve anything? I mean you will still need to get X amount of mod stars before your map can be looked at
in terms of ranking all it does is give the public the ability to star again.

dump this in feature requests and let everybody contribute - why are you posting it just here?

ok

The only thing I don't really understand is what "Alice" can do with her kudosu, is kudosu only to be used for poularity? and if so is kudosu worth more popularity points?

Edit: forgot to throw in my personal opinion on this, I'll be very happy if this is implemented because at least it gives people like me (who dont mod or map, yeah i understand im trash, learning to map a little already though) a say in mapping. Now if only feature requests had a system something like this only with certain criteria, right now I can't support any features D: (shot

Shiirn wrote:

Counterargument counters:
People use multis or inexperienced friends to farm popularity! There can be two ways to solve this: Multis are a bannable offense anyway, so ban them. And a better way is to require a minimum playcount to be eligible to popularize a map - let's say 1000.

I haven't 1000 of playcount... but I have some kudosus and an old map what I want to rank it.

This could be a way to vote too.

any mode


and/or 1000 playcount is very worth spending a few hours to get if you want to be able to star

Athena: it goes over that. a post = 1, a kudosu = 2 or 3. pretty much yes, popularity is what we right now refer to as "star priority" but its problem is that it doesn't tell us how GOOD the map is via mods or otherwise.

So i'm a little tired right now (might have misunderstood your post completely), but what exactly will this achieve?

To me it feels like it will be like the current system with a few twists, but in the end the same.

Personally to me the current star system is fair, the only reason it's bad is because no one actually follows it, which in the end makes it completely useless.

probably best to read it while entirely mentally clear. But to answer the question,
A) It will let people tell at a glance how many mods it has gotten (very important to MAT/BAT)
B) Allow people without modding experience to still show their support for a map,
C) allow popular maps with fewer mods to stand out, and vice versa, allow highly-modded but unpopular maps stand out as well,
D) make people feel like their kudosu means more - they can have their opinion mean much more to a map's popularity if they're an active modder, or horde kudosu anyway.
i think those are the 4 main ones

So basicly the way to get Kudosu! stays the same and they are more worthy than now.

I can't find anything bad right nowexcept your counter counterrargument with the +pop thing, because if you have many good friends you can just tell them to post in your thread. Most of my friends aren't inexperienced and they still would post but the other argument answered this..

I can't really decide right now if this is really better or not, but for now I would support it.

I support the "A" point.

this is a cool idea. I am not a mapper nor an avid modder, so having something for "players" to contribute to the mapping system would be kinda cool ^^

good idea Shiirn~

I can't believe I didn't notice this earlier, was it in BAT/MAT discussions?
I need to widen my field of stalking <3

it was in a private forum, hence ephemeral telling me to move it to the public eye

I think this is a good idea. Maybe if we just put together them it will be better. I have some fav on my map, because they are unable to add star, (I never asked them to do this). This ways the maps will be ranked easily and more good maps will become bubbled and later ranked.

Someone made a great point about kudosus...

+Support

Good luck on this.

Shiirn wrote:

Make bubbled maps automatically move to another place - Most likely a subforum in pending. This lets people still look through unbubbled maps easily and efficiently, and allows BATs to look through bubbles more easily as well. In this forum, we can sort by Last Modpost Date, allowing for old bubbles to be sorted easily.

This will be more beneficial than anything else.
If nothing else gets done, this SHOULD get done. I suggested it a long time ago back when we could have more than 1.5 pages of bubbles.

Popped bubbles would remain here, allowing you to sort by type (either bubble or popped bubble) to help people keep track. It also provides a quick place for "high quality" maps to be playtested. "Newest Bubbled" comes to mind.

If anything, this

Shiirn wrote:

Make bubbled maps automatically move to another place - Most likely a subforum in pending. This lets people still look through unbubbled maps easily and efficiently, and allows BATs to look through bubbles more easily as well. In this forum, we can sort by Last Modpost Date, allowing for old bubbles to be sorted easily.

Maybe make another feature request just for that, it is after all pretty different from the other things you're mentioning here. It's always easier to split feature request into separate threads so they can be discussed individually.

Edit: what ziin said basically.

Bump 'cuz this is awesome.

Lots of stuff being changed with the development of ranking v2 t/129625

kudosu will become redundant as well