nvm, del

jamujamu wrote:

I just find clicking significantly more fun and rewarding than playing with a tablet or z/x, both of which I've tried and done equally as well with. Play what you want to play and how you want to play it. If you keep doing that you'll probably either realize your plateau or continuously break it and amaze yourself. My end goal for osu! two weeks ago was to click-pass MATZcore. I did it and then found harder songs. Now I'm trying to pass those.

This is exactly why I enjoy playing mouse only so much. Whatever play style you may choose, you will face a number of difficulties with each style, but most of them can be wiped out with enough practice. Only by looking at the maximum potential of each play style, given the each players preferences, can we figure out which play style that was the most suitable in the end (rather impossible). For extremely right handed players like myself, I thought I might as well go with mouse, having played with keyboard for half a year without much success compared to the casual clicking I tried.

Can PLAY everything. Not sure can be ranker for every songs.

Only mouse playing blows and I'll continue to say that till I see some top player use that style.

Don't come saying taNa since he isn't even close to any actual top player, same applies to every only-mouse player.

Wishy22 wrote:

Only mouse playing blows and I'll continue to say that till I see some top player use that style.

Don't come saying taNa since he isn't even close to any actual top player, same applies to every only-mouse player.

GladiOoOoOoOl

kriers wrote:

Wishy22 wrote:

Only mouse playing blows and I'll continue to say that till I see some top player use that style.

Don't come saying taNa since he isn't even close to any actual top player, same applies to every only-mouse player.

GladiOoOoOoOl

the above poster
on topic: all ranked stuff yes, the rest i dunno
i too find mouse only more enjoyable, with keyboard it doesn't feel the same XD

The hardest thing about mouse is the jumps...if you can get past that, then yes XD currenty i use mouse and z/x as well as the occasional clicks. Though a tablet would help greatly with jumps!

This might not have needed to be resurrected. :\

Honestly I don't see why mouse or mouse+kb is any less qualified to play maps like the tablet does. If tablets or other mouse substitutes didn't exist (or were not compatible with osu!), everyone would be busy playing similar (if not the same or harder) maps to what the pros play now.

airman would surely be harder to fc than a tablet player

With Skill, yes.

Mithost wrote:

Honestly I don't see why mouse or mouse+kb is any less qualified to play maps like the tablet does. If tablets or other mouse substitutes didn't exist (or were not compatible with osu!), everyone would be busy playing similar (if not the same or harder) maps to what the pros play now.

This is actually the worst, most non sequitur, argument that I have ever heard in my life.

G0r wrote:

Mithost wrote:

Honestly I don't see why mouse or mouse+kb is any less qualified to play maps like the tablet does. If tablets or other mouse substitutes didn't exist (or were not compatible with osu!), everyone would be busy playing similar (if not the same or harder) maps to what the pros play now.

This is actually the worst, most non sequitur, argument that I have ever heard in my life.

It's an opinion and a state of mind. I feel mouse is just as capable as a tablet, but the players favor the tablet so they learn to get better on it than on the mouse, and most super-insane maps are tailored for tablets. It's not like Pad vs. Keyboard for Stepmania, where your legs have certain limitations with patterns that make keyboard maps impossible.

ITT: youropinion != myopinion ∴youropinion = invalid

It's possible to play them, sure. Being a mouse only player, I find the rewards for perseverance are well worth it. I've got a tablet, but don't use it for osu! As I find it less fun.

Jordan wrote:

airman would surely be harder to fc than a tablet player

That's a pretty funny statement.

I'm pretty sure that anything as possible with enough "skill points" XD
SiLviA is over 9000! D:

Are you able to move your cursor to any spot on your screen with your mouse? Then all maps that are possible with a tablet are possible with your mouse.
(if by some reason you can't move the mouse to a specific spot (as in, it's impossible, even when you're not playing osu!), then you might have a problem.

TheNutritiousGuy wrote:

With Skill, yes.

Technically this. But what if you're using a mechanical mouse?

CXu wrote:

Are you able to move your cursor to any spot on your screen with your mouse? Then all maps that are possible with a tablet are possible with your mouse.
(if by some reason you can't move the mouse to a specific spot (as in, it's impossible, even when you're not playing osu!), then you might have a problem.

Don't mean to offend, but by your logic every map would be possible on a laptop trackpad and my fingers only.

Unless you mean if its technically/theoretically possible, then I have nothing to argue about.

Jordan wrote:

airman would surely be harder to fc than a tablet player

airman--jump,jump,jump...

CXu wrote:

Are you able to move your cursor to any spot on your screen with your mouse? Then all maps that are possible with a tablet are possible with your mouse.
(if by some reason you can't move the mouse to a specific spot (as in, it's impossible, even when you're not playing osu!), then you might have a problem.

Most problematic maps for me are the ones with lots of large movements, causing the angles at which I move my mouse to drift my relative cursor position. Couple that with a lack of any breaks whatsoever (BAD mapping aka difficult/approval mapping) to reposition my hand... and those are the hardest maps for me with mouse only. I can move my mouse's cursor anywhere on my screen perfectly fine if I'm given enough opportunities to reposition. The mouse is not a grid representation of the screen like a tablet is.

Also for mouse-only specifically; when hand gets out of the comfort zone and fingers become more tensed as the mouse tilt's either way, it becomes increasingly harder to click stream, and this is one thing that mouse+kb has an advantage in. Some mappers like AngelHoney (who do make good maps) do not seem to like the use of breaks!? It does not make it much harder for tablet players at all, an illusive difficulty increase, but for mouse players it is a big issue and I think it's lame because the most viable solution for these maps is to raise my DPI, there is just not enough time to lift my mouse without breaking my combo.

On my 5:4 LCD, osu! at 1024x768 windowed; I can use my tablet quite fine with a play area of 92x69mm. At 400 DPI the mouse covers 64x48mm, and at 800 DPI it is half of that, a considerable loss in cursor accuracy just to play a map on a sensitivity I'm not used to, for a few particular maps without breaks.

It seems that I end up using about 20cm of mouse pad at 400 DPI on some maps, when I cover one game screen in 1/3 of that, and yes, this happens after playing without breaks for about 2-3 minutes, and there is not a single mouse in the world that can avoid it, because it's the hand, not the mouse, and it's not just my hand.

TL;DR
Lack of breaks sux for mouse. Stop ignoring the 4th dimension.

those wrote:

Jordan wrote:

airman would surely be harder to fc than a tablet player

That's a pretty funny statement.

Lol why? Tell me how a mouse can equal a tablet : )

Jordan wrote:

Lol why? Tell me how a mouse can equal a tablet : )

Silvia

though it is correct that there are much more tabletpros, but that's the case because there are only a few mousepros left, I'm sure many of the current tabletpros would be really good with mouse too ^^

Tanzklaue wrote:

Jordan wrote:

Lol why? Tell me how a mouse can equal a tablet : )

Silvia

though it is correct that there are much more tabletpros, but that's the case because there are only a few mousepros left, I'm sure many of the current tabletpros would be really good with mouse too ^^

SiLviA is an exception :/ and I didn't say "tell me how a mouse player can equal a tablet player", I said "Tell me how a mouse can equal a tablet". Speaking of aiming ofc.

Why does it really matter? We've already ascertained that a Mouse player can theoretically perform similar feats of magic that Tablet players can. The key difference that the Tablet has a direct relation to a position on the screen, compared to the mouse, the tracking of which is relative.

Azure_Kite wrote:

Why does it really matter? We've already ascertained that a Mouse player can theoretically perform similar feats of magic that Tablet players can. The key difference that the Tablet has a direct relation to a position on the screen, compared to the mouse, the tracking of which is relative.

That's what I meant :p and I don't get why for someone my statement "is funny".

Well, your statement says that it's easier to "fc a tablet player" than "fc airman" :p

Also, yes, I'm speaking theoretically. I've seen a few players that are actually fairly decent with the laptop trackpad, so I'd say, given enough time, why not.

It just seems like you are placing tablet a bit too much higher than mouse than what we discovered it to be at.

I play with a tablet, but it doesn't take me long with a mouse to be passing the same songs as I did before I switched. I actually like the mouse more for some certain steady line jumps simply because with the tablet you rush to the next hitcircle instead of a constant motion.

I wanna see someone play with the trackpad

CXu wrote:

Well, your statement says that it's easier to "fc a tablet player" than "fc airman" :p

Sorry if my english isn't perfect.

And Mithost I didn't place tablet a bit too much higher than mouse o: that's why I compared them with maps like airman, not normal insanes ~

I'd play with an analogue stick on a gamepad more if it were fun.

Jordan wrote:

CXu wrote:

Well, your statement says that it's easier to "fc a tablet player" than "fc airman" :p

Sorry if my english isn't perfect.

And Mithost I didn't place tablet a bit too much higher than mouse o: that's why I compared them with maps like airman, not normal insanes ~

No problem. It just sounded a little off to me v.v

I have always wanted to play osu with a joystick. If you ever find a way to do it (without running like seven different programs), lemme know

Azure_Kite wrote:

I'd play with an analogue stick on a gamepad more if it were fun.

Hey I want auto hit circle aim snapping please.

You mean, General Direction autosnap? That would be cool!

Mithost wrote:

It just seems like you are placing tablet a bit too much higher than mouse than what we discovered it to be at.

I play with a tablet, but it doesn't take me long with a mouse to be passing the same songs as I did before I switched. I actually like the mouse more for some certain steady line jumps simply because with the tablet you rush to the next hitcircle instead of a constant motion.

I wanna see someone play with the trackpad

I like the mouse more too over tablet. Recently, I broke my tablet pen though (tried doing a color dye to the plastic, ended up breaking something on the pen circuit board and rendering it useless), and I'm now back to using my mouse.

As for playing with a trackpad, I've done it, but I used some Synaptic Absolute thing that someone posted on the forums long ago (basically makes a trackpad = a tablet)