Kei wrote:

Hello~ Uhm.. well.. I checked this map 'cause I like this song. Here's my "voluntary" mod.

• General

1. Please, capitalize Rhapsody of Fire. That's the correct name of the Artist/Band.
   
   
2. Remove from Tags "Rhapsody" because that word is already written at the Artist's name. (Source/Artist/Song's Name words count as tags). I suggest you to add to Tags: "sinfonic" "power" "metal", etc etc..you know.
   
   
3. Why did you choose that BG image? Looks like an screenshot of a game. Search for a better image. I'm feeling soooo lazy that I don't wanna search one for you, but I think that it is not difficult to find a better BG than this one.

• [5957 style]

1. 01:00:258 (1,1,1) - What's the point of adding New Combo to these 3 notes? It's unnecesary. I suggest you to remove them.
2. 01:37:812 (2) - Finish? Sounds good to me.
   
3. 00:54:730 (2) - Overmap. There's no "sound" so I find this note very unnecesary.
4. 01:31:146 (3,4,5,6) - I'm not sure of pointing out things about playability, because I'm not good playing Standard, but I'll say it anyways. I find this spacing way too.. ... big? .-.
5. 01:39:646 (4,5) - Overmap~ Delete this notes?
6. 02:01:146 (1) - Finish at the start of this slider?
7. 02:10:479 - Drag the start of the break here?
8. 02:21:146 (1) ~ 02:31:812 (1) - That's a really excessive overmap. This is impossible. Don't make so many streams to make everything harder and insane. They also end up covering the music.
9. 02:34:479 (1,2) - Impossible to click, to be honest.
10. 03:01:312 (6) - This note sounds off, and it doesn't seems like following something.
11. 03:07:062 (4,1) - This spacing is really.. troll. Seriously. It looks like it's placed at the next red tick instead of here. I think that it would be better if you delete this jump.
12. 03:12:312 (5) - This note isn't visible. Move it somewhere else..
    
    ..I don't want to desmotivate you in any way. I really like this song, and it would be nice if you rank this map but... uhm.. I feel a bit sad of what I'm going to say but well.. here I go: I highly recommend you a re-map. This is reaaaaaaally overmapped and that's not fun to play. Most of the sliders that you have done have really weird and ugly shapes (example: 00:55:647 (5).. 00:58:147 (1)). I have to admit that this is a really creative map. In some cases, you use those weird sliders in a more intuitive way (example: 01:23:813 (1,2)) and I like that. I like how you used the hitsounds. Sounds nice. Just try to avoid unnecessary streams.. they cover the music.
    _________________________________

That's all. I wish you good luck ranking this map. Keep going and improving :3

Regou wrote:

I can't download the autio file. Maybe you should do a full upload? :O

CXu wrote:

Well, yeah the map is probably overmapped. Doesn't mean the map can't be fun anyway \o\ A lot of the map is actually fairly fun to play, so yeah, good luck with the map, and here's my random kinda bad and fast ircmod thing:

SPOILER

12:51 <CXu> : 00:01:813 - this silence made think I missed the first time I played ;_;
12:52 <CXu> : 00:05:480 (4) - 1 less repeat? just because xD
12:52 <haha5957> : (looking at the editor with smile face)
12:53 <CXu> : \:D/
12:53 <haha5957> : eh, so......
12:53 <haha5957> : did the map looked likt haha0108's map?
12:53 <haha5957> : lol
12:54 <CXu> : 00:29:480 (12) - these sliders xD
12:54 <haha5957> : actually i'm fan of val
12:54 <haha5957> : so my maps must look like his
12:54 <CXu> : yeah thought so from the look of this map :p
12:54 <haha5957> : except that i'm not good as 0108 T.T
12:55 <haha5957> : btw, someone suggested me AR10 on this
12:55 <haha5957> : how do you think of it ;o;?
12:55 <CXu> : 00:22:397 (2,3) - these are very close and for me it kinda breaks the flow a bit (since the map itself is pretty fast
12:55 <CXu> : paced, having to almost stop for a triple feels a bit weird). Maybe try 0.6x?
12:55 <CXu> : also I think the AR right now is fine :p I'm not too much a fan of AR10 anyway xD
12:56 <haha5957> : same, i don't like AR10
12:56 <haha5957> : therefore i'm not fan of BD
12:56 <haha5957> : (..)
12:56 <CXu> : + it's easier to spot shapes and patterns with lower AR, making the map look prettier \:D/
12:56 <CXu> : haha BD maps are way overmapped
12:57 <haha5957> : first 3 people looked at my map and told me to remap due to it's overmapity(?)
12:57 <haha5957> : btw, post on the thread so i can kudos you
12:58 <CXu> : 00:34:147 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this part feels a bit slow compared to the rest. maybe add a note at 00:34:063 -
12:58 <CXu> : 00:35:063 - 00:35:730 - ?
12:58 <CXu> : well I dont really mind if I dont get kudos
12:58 <CXu> : :p
12:59 <CXu> : well or I can just post the chatlog later
12:59 <haha5957> : ok O.O it's just i wanna give kudos to you ;o;
12:59 <CXu> : 00:42:147 (4) - maybe new combo? since it's kind of an anti-jump
13:00 <CXu> : 00:55:647 (5) - should probably start at 00:55:480 -
13:00 <CXu> : 01:03:147 (6) - move this away? It's hard to read because it's not really a stack here
13:01 <CXu> : oh right I forgot to say, but everything I say now are random suggestions
13:01 <CXu> : feel free to ignore whatever xD
13:02 <CXu> : 01:40:479 (5,6,7,8) - this feels overmapped
13:03 <haha5957> : O.O!!
13:03 <CXu> : 02:54:396 (5) - Kinda unecessary, remove?
13:03 <haha5957> : all fixed, O.O/
13:04 <CXu> : 03:20:478 (1) - this slider with the compressed stream and shortsliders <3
13:04 <CXu> : 03:25:812 - add a note here, and make the spinner begin a bit later
13:05 <CXu> : 03:41:812 - ^
13:06 <CXu> : 03:47:812 (5) - you have a lot of these sliders with 2 repeats. Maybe make some of them sliders with 1 repeat
13:06 <CXu> : and a note?
13:06 <CXu> : the last part is overmapped and I kinda can't play it so idk what to say about it xD

iroseka wrote:

modding advice:

SPOILER

00:55:147 (1,2) - Distancing error (maybe put the #2 just beneath #1?) (these are spaced properly)
01:16:313 (4,5,6,7) - Doesn't sound too cool here. well just personal feeling :p
01:53:812 (5) - new combo? looks better
03:10:479 (1,2,3) - here. i hear a strong rapid hit in this one second. may be a series of circles can represent the feeling better. ( O.O? I don't understand T.T)

the notes separate too much that the screen is full of notes. please consider change some note's place to make it more compact and aggresive. => big spacing is concept of the map


btw, I did not actually finish the song but could only pass with no fail + half time...

Kanon wrote:

IRC MOD

12:43 <haha5957> : um, hello 'o'...?
12:44 <Kanon> : hi
12:44 <haha5957> : uh, i wish this doesnt bother you..
12:44 <haha5957> : may i ask for a test-play if possible?
12:44 <Kanon> : sure
12:44 <Kanon> : link
12:44 *haha5957 is listening to (Rhapsody of Fire - Emerald Sword)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48207]
12:44 <haha5957> : 'o';;
12:44 <Kanon> : wow
12:44 <Kanon> : old song
12:44 <Kanon> : dling
12:44 <haha5957> : O.O/
12:48 <haha5957> : you can just tell me the honest feeling of the map 'o'; if it sucked a lot, or was ok, etc..
12:49 <Kanon> : um
12:50 <Kanon> : the slider is pretty nice
12:50 <haha5957> : i need honest feelings of advanced players
12:50 <Kanon> : but spacing is not very comfortable
12:50 <haha5957> : like, streams?
12:50 <Kanon> : rhthym is a little overmapped but i think is fine
12:51 <Kanon> : w8 a sec
12:52 <Kanon> : 00:11:647 (2,3,4) -
12:52 <Kanon> : i dont quite like this kind of stack
12:52 <haha5957> : oh~~
12:53 <Kanon> : especially in mid of the stream
12:54 <haha5957> : so you don't like anti-jumps in stream?
12:54 <Kanon> : i just dont like the stack of this kind
12:54 <Kanon> : and
12:54 <Kanon> : 00:56:813 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) -
12:54 <Kanon> : i think this is very insane
12:55 <Kanon> : even for skilled player
12:55 <haha5957> : ok/
12:55 <Kanon> : 01:16:313 (4,5,6,7) -
12:55 <Kanon> : the double here imo is overmapped
12:56 <haha5957> : (works on it)
12:57 <haha5957> : btw, thanks for doing this, do you want to post this? I wanna give kudosu for this
12:57 <Kanon> : nah i am not active on mapping anymore
12:57 <Kanon> : so i dont need kudoso now..
12:58 <haha5957> : T.T
12:58 <Kanon> : if you need posted mod to reach MAT 's standard
12:58 <Kanon> : i can post for you
12:59 <haha5957> : you don't have to do it if it bothers you
12:59 <haha5957> : I just wanted give you kudosu O.O/
12:59 <Kanon> : fine
12:59 <haha5957> : to*
12:59 <Kanon> : i ll post irc mod later
12:59 <haha5957> : ok O.O/
13:00 <Kanon> : 02:22:146 (7,8) -
13:01 <Kanon> : i think this two note shouldn't be normal spaced
13:01 <Kanon> : should be stress
13:01 <Kanon> : ed
13:01 <haha5957> : stress..ed?
13:01 <haha5957> : like, almost stacked?
13:01 <haha5957> : sorry for my poor english xD
13:02 <Kanon> : yes
13:02 <Kanon> : 02:27:479 (7,8) -
13:02 <Kanon> : ……
13:02 <Kanon> : ^
13:02 <haha5957> : ...?
13:03 <Kanon> : ^ represent for same with last mod
13:03 <haha5957> : oh/
13:04 <Kanon> : 03:00:479 (1,2,3,4,5) -
13:04 <Kanon> : at least you should make 03:01:145 (5) - not stacked
13:05 <Kanon> : anyway i don't quite like this kind of slider stack
13:05 <haha5957> : (works on it)
13:05 <Kanon> : 03:21:478 (7,8) -
13:06 <Kanon> : it's very hard to read which come first
13:07 <Kanon> : so maybe you should make it more easy to read here?
13:07 <haha5957> : hm.....
13:08 <haha5957> : just keep doing 1/4 on there will give you all 300
13:08 <haha5957> : so i guess that doesnt matter O.O/
13:09 <Kanon> : 04:05:395 (7,8,9) -
13:10 <Kanon> : maybe unstack the note with the slider?
13:11 <haha5957> : O.O//
13:12 <Kanon> : ok i think that's all
13:12 <haha5957> : thanks very much <3
13:12 <Kanon> : i'll post this irc log in your map thread :3

IRC modded

Frostmourne wrote:

:D

SPOILER

21:37 <Frostmourne> : 00:07:647 (4) -
21:37 <Frostmourne> : this seems to be confused
21:38 <Frostmourne> : from its speed but repeat more than 1 time
21:38 <Frostmourne> : do you mind me If i want to mod :3 ?
21:38 <haha5957> : I would even thanks a lot xD
21:38 <Frostmourne> : no kd just some point
21:38 <haha5957> : but if you mod me, you MUST have your kudosu from me :3
21:38 <haha5957> : xD
21:39 <Frostmourne> : haha If it useful enough
21:39 <Frostmourne> : 00:16:147 (7) -
21:39 <Frostmourne> : end this at 16 480
21:39 <Frostmourne> : no need to make a repeat more than this if it has no sound
21:40 <haha5957> : ok O.O/
21:40 <Frostmourne> : 00:18:813 (5) - nc here ? looks better for me >.>
21:40 <haha5957> : also ok O.O/
21:40 <haha5957> : the first one (the 00:07:647 (4) , i will keep this //)
21:40 <Frostmourne> : oh ok you can
21:41 <Frostmourne> : if i were you I will nc here too 00:24:147 (1) -
21:41 <Frostmourne> : because it changed form of playing
21:41 <Frostmourne> : to 4 slider
21:41 <haha5957> : (works on it)
21:42 <Frostmourne> : 00:25:480 (5) - I'm kinda get trouble from this repeat slider
21:42 <Frostmourne> : over 1 time
21:42 <Frostmourne> : may be you end at 25 813 and add note after that
21:42 <Frostmourne> : might be better
21:43 <haha5957> : good idea
21:44 <Frostmourne> : 00:52:813 (5) - here too
21:44 <Frostmourne> : it cuts its flow
21:44 <Frostmourne> : and can get miss slider
21:45 <Frostmourne> : slider end at the top
21:45 <Frostmourne> : but jumping swap to down suddenly
21:45 <Frostmourne> : it is not good run for me nah =_=''
21:46 <haha5957> : ya actually i don't like repeating sliders
21:46 <haha5957> : if it repeats more then once....
21:46 <Frostmourne> : ahh yes
21:46 <haha5957> : but i used those kinds for kind of...rest for your finger?
21:46 <haha5957> : xD
21:46 <Frostmourne> : it's better if just 1 repeat and add next note instead
21:47 <Frostmourne> : oh I think not =_=
21:47 <Frostmourne> : finger will get rest but you will get annoy from that unusual slider
21:47 <Frostmourne> : I judge it as player not mapper for now haha
21:48 <haha5957> : yeah, what i need is player's opinion...
21:48 <Frostmourne> : hehe
21:48 <Frostmourne> : ok
21:48 <haha5957> : because most mappers comes to this map and REMAP!!
21:48 <Frostmourne> : 01:02:730 (1) -
21:48 <haha5957> : (saids*)
21:48 <Frostmourne> : no need to remap
21:48 <haha5957> : (says*)
21:48 <Frostmourne> : I think this can improve more
21:48 <Frostmourne> : 01:02:730 (1) - < new combo here
21:49 <haha5957> : oh yeah
21:49 <Frostmourne> : distance between (3) and (4) doesn't match
21:49 <Frostmourne> : if compared with (1) (2)
21:49 <Frostmourne> : 01:19:396 (3) - add note here
21:50 <Frostmourne> : people can get miss from this stack that looks like on blue tick
21:51 <haha5957> : um?
21:51 <haha5957> : already is a note there i think
21:51 <Frostmourne> : ohwait me
21:51 <Frostmourne> : 01:19:396 (3) - I mean this point ya
21:51 <Frostmourne> : emm
21:51 <haha5957> : oh~
21:51 <Frostmourne> : add on blue tick also keep red tick too
21:51 <Frostmourne> : will be 3 stream here
21:52 <Frostmourne> : 01:23:147 (3) - this slider again =_= sorry
21:52 <haha5957> : haha xD 2 repeats
21:52 <haha5957> : i will change some, and keep some about those
21:53 <Frostmourne> : haha it depends on you
21:53 <Frostmourne> : oh I forgot it
21:53 <Frostmourne> : 00:28:147 (4) -
21:53 <Frostmourne> : new combo here
21:53 <Frostmourne> : 00:28:647 (1) - here too
21:53 <Frostmourne> : 1 2 3 1 2 3 looks better so much
21:53 <Frostmourne> : 00:29:147 (1) - same
21:54 <Frostmourne> : 01:31:146 (1) - same because of this note is the first note to run 1 2 3 4 different from last (1) (2)
21:56 <Frostmourne> : add here too 01:58:479 (5) - for notice this is not 1/4 note this is anti jump
21:56 <Frostmourne> : 02:04:479 (3) - same reason
21:56 <haha5957> : all excepted :O
21:58 <Frostmourne> : 03:12:312 (5) -
21:58 <Frostmourne> : look hard from that hiding
21:58 <Frostmourne> : try move 3 a bit
21:58 <Frostmourne> : move up
21:59 <haha5957> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/287962
21:59 <haha5957> : would this be better?
21:59 <Frostmourne> : actually , it's ok for insane
22:00 <Frostmourne> : and that's better too
22:00 <Frostmourne> : oh i feel it
22:00 <Frostmourne> : while playing that
22:00 <Frostmourne> : 03:55:145 (1) - after this note
22:00 <Frostmourne> : you quite overmapped it
22:00 <Frostmourne> : imo
22:01 <Frostmourne> : it doesn't follow its sound much
22:01 <Frostmourne> : only this part that notice me
22:01 <Frostmourne> : rest note more than this would be good :3
22:01 <haha5957> : ah ..that last part
22:01 <Frostmourne> : but , you want last part to be kiai part
22:02 <Frostmourne> : I think it's ok for now
22:02 <haha5957> : everyone agreed about the last kiai's overmap
22:02 <haha5957> : but I would like to keep that untill any BAT comes and calls it unapprovable or something
22:02 <Frostmourne> : hmm I think because that isn't follow music much
22:02 <haha5957> : cuz i usually map last parts much harder then rest of the parts

Jenny wrote:

...what...is...this... val made some korean gurl a sammich I guess...

• ...pretty unmodable tbh

haha5957 wrote:

It's funny to call me creative, but don't step on mappers creativity. I feel like most of osu!standard maps are like all the same these days.
There is no variaty, but they are all the same. compressed stream, triple along with slider, some kind of jump, etc.

1. At first, I really cannot agree with sliders like 00:03:147 (5) - or 00:26:813 (5) - or 00:58:147 (1) - or something else. Despite u're free to choose slider shape, it's not fun. And then, overuse 1/4 beats to only make a map "hard enough" but not "follow the beats of music/vocal" doesn't make any sense to me. Yes we may say there's Big Black or Holyshit Airman or some similar maps but i also cannot agree with them also. anyway, it's just my opinion and understand about mapping
2. 00:01:647 (4,5) - maybe a long slider is better
3. 00:02:313 (7,8) - ^
4. 00:03:147 (5) - opposite to above, i suppose it could be devide to a slider and then a note on downbeat for next bar.
5. 00:04:313 (5,6) - actually i don't think silent a 3/4 slider and add a 1/4 note reluctantly is a good choice, why not just use a 1/1 slider? many similar issues so won't mentioned more
6. 00:06:730 (5) - there's no triplet beat in music here, so consider to remove it please.
7. 00:07:397 (2) - ^
8. 00:11:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - all right...i seldom say overmapped...but...r u sure it's 1/4 beats here?
9. 00:53:813 (8,9,10,11) - i'd like to remove (9) & (11)
10. 00:56:813 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - i cant find 1/3 beats here -- both music and vocal.
11. 01:03:063 - u may miss a note here
12. 02:25:146 (1,2,3,4) - are u serious....? it's 1/4 jump here!
13. 02:30:479 (1,2,3,4) - ^
14. 02:42:812 - please consider to map this break because no change in music
15. 03:20:478 (1) - it's unrankable
16. 03:53:812 (1) - ^

Mustaash wrote:

Tick Rate : 4
r u srs?
It fits the song A LOT BETTER if you're setting the Tick Rate to 2.

Dark Fang wrote:

hi~
Random modding~~
Let's mod!

[General]

osb파일이 두개입니다. 한개를 삭제하시고 서브밋하십시오.
개인적인생각이겠지만
점프범위가 좀.. 넓은것같습니다... [color=#0000FF]
[5957 style]

HP Drain-1?
OD-1?

00:08:813 (1) -

SPOILER

이부분을




이렇게 약간 각도를 주면 어떨까.. 합니다

00:15:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - awesome...
00:23:480 (1,2,3,4) - 이부분을 이렇게 하면 어떨까요?
00:37:813 (3,4) - 점프범위가 너무 넓은것같습니다. 일반 유저들이 치기 매우 힘들군요...

아... 한계입니다...
더 찾아보려다가 더이상 보이질않아요... 죄송합니다 ;A;
(괜한 기대를하심)

Have a good time

Banana wrote:

Hi~ Banana here form my queue~

general

maybe you can put your understandings to creater's words, few people will cover all the posts before mod one's map
i suggest you to use normal-hitnormal in SC1, or start to use NC2, for soft-hitnormal hears weak and not suit this song well imo


5957 style

00:22:480 (2) - jump here in consistency with (6)?
00:23:480 (1,2,3) - try to make some nice pattern, for example
00:24:480 (6,7,1) - you make this three notes in a circle, and i think (1) here start a new combo and have a different tune, so i suggest you to make here an anti-jump, starting at the center of 00:24:147 (5)(you may also need to change the pattern following)
00:27:647 (2) - string here has no sound, and i don't know why you use a jump, it should be a stack or a slider linked with (1) imo
00:31:813 (5,6) - pattern 00:30:480 (5,6) is better than that at here, make them same?
00:50:147 (1,2) - as you have use jump here, you can change the sliders to avoid unnecessary overlap at tails
00:51:647 (2) - pitch here is high, and you can place a small jump hidden under 00:51:147 (5) (you may need to change the following(4))
01:25:812 (1) - same issue as 00:50:147
01:33:479 - pattern suggestion (i don't like small overlaps)
01:36:146 (3) - it will be decent if you stack this with 01:36:896 (2)
02:22:396 (6) - it's not necessary to cover every drum beats, for better play, i suggest you to remove it
02:33:812 (5,6) - stack this two and make them a small jump?
02:40:479 - rhythm is simple around here.. try this?
02:53:812 (4) - it will be nice if you use jump along with finish
03:18:062 (2) - overlap... and as the same sliders have showed up at 03:16:478 (1,2), it may not be confusing if you use jump here
03:21:145 (3) - somewhat strange... repeat or add a circle at 03:21:395?

seems to be all

1. There are 2 .osb files in the folder that you don't need,since there isn't any storyboard in there. Please,delete them and Full Submit.

1. First of all, the green line on 01:37:140 is unsnapped - you have to resnap it to 1:37:146
2. 00:15:813 (3) - Place this here:
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:23:647 (2,3) - Lower the spacing between this slider to make it pretty much the same spacing between 1 and 2?
4. 00:34:813 (3) - 1 grid right
5. 00:46:647 (3) - CTRL+R?
6. 01:21:479 (2) - Put this note here?
   
   SPOILER

   
7. 01:22:146 (5) - ^
8. 01:35:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - It would be better to make a pattern composed by a square and a triangle,just like this:
   
   SPOILER

   
9. 02:36:479 (1) - Stack this with 02:36:312 (4) - ?
10. 03:36:312 (6) - Put this in x: 352 y:196?

-kevincela- wrote:

Hi \o/

[General]

1. There are 2 .osb files in the folder that you don't need,since there isn't any storyboard in there. Please,delete them and Full Submit.

[5957 Style]

1. First of all, the green line on 01:37:140 is unsnapped - you have to resnap it to 1:37:146
2. 00:15:813 (3) - Place this here:
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 00:23:647 (2,3) - Lower the spacing between this slider to make it pretty much the same spacing between 1 and 2?
4. 00:34:813 (3) - 1 grid right
5. 00:46:647 (3) - CTRL+R?
6. 01:21:479 (2) - Put this note here?
   
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7. 01:22:146 (5) - ^
8. 01:35:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - It would be better to make a pattern composed by a square and a triangle,just like this:
   
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9. 02:36:479 (1) - Stack this with 02:36:312 (4) - ?
10. 03:36:312 (6) - Put this in x: 352 y:196?

Sorry for the short mod, unfortunately since I don't have much time left I didn't spend much time on modding this map.

mercury2004 wrote:

Hi haha

01:50:479 (1,2,3,4,5) - can you fix this up. It is very hard to read.

The rest is fine.

take my star your map really deserve it

Kurai wrote:

Did some help through IRC ~ !

log

16:21 <haha5957> : can i have irc mod if you didnt modded much o.o..?
16:22 <Kurai> : I haven't modded anything
16:22 <haha5957> : I just got online and saw your status ;o;..
16:22 <Kurai> : lo
16:22 <Kurai> : l
16:23 <haha5957> : I'm preety sure this map doesnt deserve BATmod(post) yet so i decided to do this way ;o;
16:24 <Kurai> : Map is not bad
16:24 <Kurai> : But too much repetitive
16:24 <haha5957> : ah.....
16:24 <haha5957> : is it?(crys)
16:24 <Kurai> : actually it is mostly only 1/2 patterns over and over with some 1/4 sometimes
16:25 <Kurai> : with jumps placed kinda randomly
16:25 <haha5957> : but there werent other choices but 1/2 patterns for me except for parts like 01:25:812 (1,2,3,1) - ;o;
16:26 <Kurai> : In my opinion it would have been better if you had followed more the vocals
16:26 <Kurai> : You had other choices, the vocals
16:26 <haha5957> : I tried to give some strong points (like, start of the slider or jump) if the 1/2 and vocal matches
16:26 <haha5957> : guess it didnt work well xD
16:27 <Kurai> : yeah
16:27 <Kurai> : but I mean
16:27 <Kurai> : You could have done better pattern by following the vocals, I mean with 1/1 slider and other things
16:27 <haha5957> : I'm not that smart enough ;o; can you give me a single example I can look where to follow vocal?
16:27 <Kurai> : not only 1/2 and 1/4 everywhere
16:28 <Kurai> : Wait
16:28 <Kurai> : Afk 5 minutes
16:28 <haha5957> : ok 'o'/
16:32 <Kurai> : Okay back :3
16:32 <haha5957> : welcome back 'o'
16:36 <Kurai> : http://puu.sh/x5yu 01:15:813 -
16:36 <Kurai> : something like this maybe
16:36 <Kurai> : I don't know, the music isn't only 1/2
16:37 <Kurai> : You have lots of possibility to make something creative
16:37 <haha5957> : how do you think of 01:23:812 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern o.o?
16:37 <haha5957> : like, it's 1/2 only but i guess this fits into vocal
16:38 <Kurai> : yes, of course, you can make 1/2 pattern
16:38 <Kurai> : But if you only make 1/2 pattern like this, this becomes boring imo
16:38 <haha5957> : yeah..
16:39 <Kurai> : 01:37:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern follow the music pretty well
16:40 <Kurai> : that's what I'd like to see at other areas >w<
16:41 <haha5957> : so like, i can keep my 60% of the 1/2 patterns and show renew some parts where 1/2 doesnt fit
16:41 <haha5957> : is this preety much all I need to do ;o;?
16:41 <Kurai> : That'd would be great :3
16:41 <haha5957> : Then I wanna ask if there is any authentic issues here 'o'/
16:41 <haha5957> : like, the pattern i never should use
16:41 <haha5957> : or unapprovable
16:42 <Kurai> : ah yes
16:42 <haha5957> : (waits)
16:42 <Kurai> : 00:08:147 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - This one is pretty hard to read because the red slider is hidden by (1,2,3,4)'s hitbursts
16:43 <haha5957> : ah...
16:43 <haha5957> : will 02:42:479 (1) and so on..patterns be okay?
16:43 <haha5957> : 02:42:479 (1) -
16:44 <Kurai> : I would avoid them personnaly, that's kind of unintuitive
16:45 <Kurai> : In my opinion, every pattern should be readable easily with having to think how to hit them
16:45 <haha5957> : without*
16:45 <Kurai> : yes >w<
16:45 <haha5957> : >w<
16:46 <haha5957> : if the mapper insists it, would we say "ok then go ahead look for other BAT" or you would respect it?
16:46 <haha5957> : because personally I like that pattern, but if that can't be justified with "my style", then i should fix
16:46 <haha5957> : we->you
16:47 <Kurai> : I'd not bubble nor rank a map which have this kind of pattern
16:48 <haha5957> : ah. then it's kinda strong disadvantage about keeping these patterns...
16:48 <haha5957> : xD
16:48 <Kurai> : But, if you like this pattern, you may find a way to make it more readable without changing it completely
16:49 <haha5957> : ah..
16:49 <haha5957> : my questions are done ;o;/ If you may kindly suggest some more then I'd thank
16:49 <haha5957> : but if not you can post this log for kudosu 'o'/
16:50 <Kurai> : The spacing is kinda uh
16:50 <Kurai> : I don't mind the high spacing
16:50 <Kurai> : That's how you decided to map it
16:50 <Kurai> : but
16:51 <Kurai> : the spacing isn't consistant throughout the map
16:51 <Kurai> : I mean
16:51 <haha5957> : (listens)
16:52 <Kurai> : 00:22:980 (5,6) - for example this jump, why suddenly you put a jump here whereas there isn't any actual
16:52 <Kurai> : difference musically than at 00:25:647 (5,6) -
16:53 <Kurai> : If you make a jump somewhere, you should do the same at the other similar parts
16:53 <haha5957> : ah..the random jump ;o;
16:53 <haha5957> : i think i got that..
16:54 <haha5957> : but how about this parts 01:21:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - o.o?
16:54 <Kurai> : Try to keep your pattern consistent
16:54 <haha5957> : it's not like i really meant to make it jump but made it jump because of the shape
16:55 <Kurai> : So try to make another shape which would be more consistent with the rest of the map
16:55 <haha5957> : ah..
16:55 <haha5957> : I think i got it 'o'/
16:55 <Kurai> : Overall, this map has a good potential to be very awesome
16:56 <Kurai> : You just need to work more on it :3
16:56 <haha5957> : ok i'll try more 'o'// thanks!
16:56 <Kurai> : :3
16:56 <Kurai> : I'll star it
16:56 <haha5957> : I don't think you lag of kudosu, hunger of kudosu, etc, but I just want to give it
16:57 <haha5957> : if you would post this log :3
16:57 <haha5957> : (...)
16:57 <Kurai> : Okay

Have my star ~ !

1. yeah, LKs already mentioned this too, but still, do you think it was really necessary to set the tick rate into 4? I think it doesn't have any big difference whether you set the TR into lower, but from my viewpoint, i think using TR 2 here are works well too, beside it was normally used by the most mapper (even the really pro ones), it also to avoid unnecessary discussion with the other modder later =w=

Please note that I won't listen to someone who argues only because the map's SV is bit high,and preety much big spaced.
I was told that the map itself needs to improve more but the difficulty and concept of map can be kept if I want.

1. 00:01:147 (2,3,4) - tbh i don't really like the angle/position of this pattern, while you going into perfect triangle pattern that flows nicely here 00:00:814 (1,2,3) -, but there comes a sudden cutting jump at 00:01:313 (3,4) - while imo isn't really match each other in the term of flow.
2. 00:07:980 (11) - instead of making this stacked with 00:07:480 (9) - , i'm more prefer if you move it into up of the 00:07:813 (10) - like this
   
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   for the same reason as above, i think it was not really friendly by most of the player if you make a sudden backjump after the nicely done flowed pattern 00:07:147 (7,8,9,10) - and the next part 00:08:147 (1,2,3,4,5) - , itk kinda ruin the flow imo
3. If you following whar i'm say, then i think you should need to rotate 00:08:147 (1,2,3,4,5) - clockwise a bit (if you want, you can use another method by yourself^^), to make the flow from 00:07:980 (11,1) - to be better, kinda bad too if you make a jump with that position while after that you ned to do grid stream that going to the top.
4. 00:14:738 - rotate this counterclockwise a bit, or if you want, move the pinpoin to right a bit can works too
   
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   this was have a better flow imo, while i saw on the original one the flow from 00:14:730 (4) - arent put nicely, kinda too sharp while playing
5. 00:15:480 (1,2) - why this 2 slider must be directed into left not right? D: it really break the flow if you suddenly make the pattern direction going smoothly from 00:14:147 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - (except that i said above) but then there's come backslider. So i'm suggest that you just ctrl+r that 2 slider, to make the flow direction better
6. 00:19:147 (7) - make this notes on the straight line with 00:18:813 (5,6) - ? i don't see the reason why you should make it a bit left from the previous notes/sliders
7. 00:20:147 (5,6,7,8) - i think it would be better if you make it like this
   
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   although this one seems harder than the original, i saw that this was have more readability aspect than the previous one, since player can clearly see at the notes and knows how to move clearly than make it ambiguous jump slider pattern like the previous one (dunno how to call it, seems like jumping slider but in a fact it was just a slider tapping)
8. 00:23:480 (1,2,3) - 2,xx DS jump in less than a 250 milliseconds?? orz
   maybe you tried to emphasize the jump aspect that going smoothly from the song, but mind about the playability too, i'm sure even by the really experience player (the super pros counted) this kind of "extreame" jump are really unfriendly when playing, so i suggest that you just make the spacing between that slider lesser here and there.
9. 00:26:147 (1,2,3,4) - this one too, even this was really hard to sightread even with the "pro" skin because of the overlapped slider, why not you make the position of that 4 sliders the same way with the one you put 00:23:480 (1,2,3,4) - ?
10. 00:30:647 (6,1,2) - why you must make the big jump 00:30:813 (1,2) - after small tapping 00:30:647 (6,1) - while it still at the same stanza? IF it was me, i think ill make the position of 00:30:813 (1,2) - into reverse, so by then, player would be know directly if there will come a jump from 00:30:647 (6,1) - , like this
    
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    this way, it would be more looks intentional if the mapper will make a jumps there from the players viewpoint
11. 00:31:313 (4,1) - if you folow the above thisng, then i think you should make the spacing between two notes into the reasonable spaced too, since it was kinda bad if you put the anti jump there. Also if you did that, you will need to re-position the 00:31:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - pattern too.
12. 00:32:813 (1) - i still can't understand why you should make the "unique" slider here,?
13. 00:35:813 (2,3) - ctrl+r this? the flow are better that way since the very tight jumps are not really good either when played
14. 00:37:480 (1,2) - instead of slider, i'm expecting to see the notes here, since it was the jumping part, so i think only put the notes will be work perfectly
15. 00:38:147 (1,2) - why you make the spacing between that 2 slider/note this way while on the 00:38:647 (3,4) - you not make any spacing? Since it was in the same stanza, i think it would be better if you make the 00:38:647 (3,4) - with the same spacing as 00:38:147 (1,2) - , or vice versa
16. 00:51:647 (2) - stack this with the endpoint of the 00:50:813 (4) - slider? i think it was works better that way
17. 00:58:147 (6,1,2) - just my suggestion, but i think it was better if you change this pattern into a spinner instead, from 00:58:147 - to00:58:980 -
18. 01:23:812 (1,2,3,4,5) - i think you intended to make a big jump pattern here, but with this angle, i think it was already too hard for the most player to play, why? because:
    01:23:479 (5,1) - you make the previous slider going to down while after than you make a jump that it was on the upper part
    01:24:146 (2,3) - this too, sudden bigger jump while the player already feel the pain after going on the sharp jump here 01:23:479 (5,1) -
    01:24:646 (4,5) - ^
    so, i think if you make the 01:23:479 (5) - direction into left instead right, it would be better.
    And make the 01:24:146 (2,4) - into the central of the 01:24:312 (3,5) - would be better in the twerms of flow too.
    tl;dr, this is the code that can makes everything simplier:
    

    412,80,77479,2,0,B|412:168|328:180|280:140,1,145,2|0
    316,232,77729,2,0,B|352:240|400:224,1,72.5,0|0
    312,304,77896,2,0,B|256:308|216:264,1,72.5,0|0
    112,200,78146,2,0,B|76:248|88:312|172:344,1,145,8|0
    280,324,78479,6,0,B|200:348|120:320,1,145
    176,184,78813,1,8
    76,80,78979,2,0,B|92:20|200:16|332:48,1,217.5
    344,56,79313,1,0
    264,192,79479,2,0,B|100:192,1,145,2|0

19. 01:28:146 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - orz
    here's my suggestion:
    
    1. 01:28:146 (2) - make this notes on the 01:28:312 (3) - position, and make the triangle pattern direction to the clockwise from the (2) note
    2. 01:28:812 (6,7) - reverse this 2 position, insanely jump on the 01:28:646 (5,6) -
    you can choose your own method if you wanted to =w=
20. 01:34:479 (1,3) - i think it would be more intentional if you make this two on the reverse position, by ctrl+r each slider there. This is if if you want to make a nice windmill pattern there
21. 01:44:812 (1,2) - why you not just stacked this two? makes this two overlapped seems a bit weird while playing, it's more like you just forgot to stacked this two
22. 01:48:479 (1,2) - same as above
23. 01:49:479 (2,3,4,5) - if you want to make some jump pattern like this, i think it would be better if you reverse the timing position of this 01:49:812 (4,5) - ,so (4) will be on the (5) timing points, and vice versa
    also, i think it would be better too if you just stacked the 01:49:646 (3) - with 01:49:812 (4) - endpoint
    

    388,328,109146,6,0,B|468:296|460:196,1,145
    448,68,109479,1,2
    376,196,109646,1,0
    448,68,109812,2,0,B|368:100|376:200,1,145,0|0
    388,328,110146,2,0,B|468:296|460:196,1,145,2|0
    328,276,110479,6,0,B|264:340|160:304,1,145
    156,172,110812,2,0,B|220:108|324:144,1,145,2|0
    428,176,111146,1,0
    328,276,111312,1,0

24. 02:26:479 (1,3) - stack this two endpoint?
25. 03:08:312 (6) - just my suggestion, ithink it would be better if you put it on the x372 y192 position, why? because i saw that the position between this 03:08:145 (5,6) - jump and 03:08:312 (6,1) - are really on the bad approaches (sudden sharp jump just after people enjoying the triangle jump). I know you're tried to make a perfect triangle jump here 03:07:979 (4,5,6) -, but at least keep the flow at the good state too.^^
26. from the 03:55:139 - to 04:09:812 - ... i don't know how to say this, since i saw it was a bit crazy on that part even when i'm try it by myself. although it follows the flow perfectly, but for the playability aspect, it was almost impossible and almost not enjoyable anymore for the most of the player, i think... \:D/

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