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haha5957
Like guys, people who get A's on the test aren't always the best at the subject. There are many cases that B students actually "teaching" the A students. Even in real life, there is no way to measure a true skill, or whatever it might be called.

If the ranking has very close relationship with the real rank, It is a good rank.

People talking about mods here doesnt seem to make sense for me, because, there might be slight problem about "ah!! why he is above me!!" or something like that, but the important thing is, current ranking already has preety much close relationship between rank and skill.

As we all know, we regard cookiezi is #1 player or osu. (well, not to mension about White Wolf's growing skills here, even with that, Cookiezi is still at least #2 at the moment). but the past(acutally, current overall) rank calls cookiezi #8 just because he didn't play osu! recently.

Also, If you think FL is easier then DT or the reverse, just farm your score that way. with higher rank, you will get higher ???'s for sure.
IF you regard FL a much easier mode to DT, why don't you farm your score that way?

I've never seen cookiezi playing FL, (on shoushitsu or symponic love, that is another case) while BinJip's most #1's are with FL.
Those two are just different; although we call cookiezi as the best player and he usually plays DT or HDHR, maybe he can't actually FL, (or he doesnt need it because he can easily DT or HDHR, OR HDDR or whatever without FL)and if someone puts extra effort on specific songs and get higher scores with FL, that is one thing too. and if someone gets many Insane #1~#6's with FL, that means he actually has skill about FL, (like, we would need +200 PC to FL it, but maybe he can do it in like 50P) and that should be included in the ranking too.

So I'm kind of person who saids "mods with same score multiplyer is basically the same".

Even Myself getting into #40, I use different mods. sometimes HRDT, sometimes only hidden, sometimes HDDT, sometimes HDHR..

well, if you think certain mode is easier to play, then farm the score that way.
Valentiino
Moelewa #9

The skills will pierce the heavens
Taiko_old
I don't see Nyan in top50 - taiko scores are wrong :D
[Luanny]

haha5957 wrote:

Also, If you think FL is easier then DT or the reverse, just farm your score that way. with higher rank, you will get higher ???'s for sure.
IF you regard FL a much easier mode to DT, why don't you farm your score that way?
+1
Kert
It's getting better and better.
And still: What about approvals? I am like pretty sure first 500-1000 players in this new ranking play them
KirisameTempest

Nashmun wrote:

If a high-skilled player, who plays a lot of insane unsubmitted maps, wants to have the rank he deserve, he have to play on ranked map, otherwise he'll always be lower in ranking than a "normal-skilled" player who play more :<
lol that sounds exactly like me. except i plat submitted just not yet approved maps ;w;
YodaSnipe
I hope approved maps are counted, I have a bunch more top40s on there that are pretty decent. A lot of approved maps are harder than ranked maps anyways. or most /w.e
KirisameTempest
^ completly agree with that becuase a good 75% of all maps i play are approved and not ranked (0108 and such)
lolcubes

YodaSnipe wrote:

I hope approved maps are counted, I have a bunch more top40s on there that are pretty decent. A lot of approved maps are harder than ranked maps anyways. or most /w.e
They are. I fixed a score on an approved map (read one of my previous posts here) from 97%ish to 99.5% and gained a point.
Hernan
And do high scores with difficulty reduction mods worth more points than lower scores without them? As in the Big black.
Drafura

Hernan wrote:

And do high scores with difficulty reduction mods worth more points than lower scores without them? As in the Big black.
Easy mod is teh hardest mod ever dude *.*
OzzyOzrock
5758 my ass
Yarissa
Peppy updated the ??? ranking details. Approved maps do count
Mythras
gaining a lot of points for going back and SSing all the stuff I was really close to before.
-Athena-
Yup apparently the update had a very large effect
I jumped to 8.8k even though my ??? Decreased
YodaSnipe
Just for the record Blue Dragon is like mega awesome anddd ranked lower than me... wuddup wit dat?!
Topic Starter
kriers

YodaSnipe wrote:

Just for the record Blue Dragon is like mega awesome anddd ranked lower than me... wuddup wit dat?!
Blue Dragon can FC the sickest songs, but his accuracy isn't that good. It probably punishes his ??? scoring.

also

updated with rank in profile! \:D/
YodaSnipe
yeah I assumed.



wewt
-Athena-
Holy hell you guys are good...
lolcubes


Rather unexpected considering how much I play. :D
-Athena-
You know I just noticed how the country rankings never seem to change, perhaps this would change them XD
dNextGen
definitely need to spam DT on most Hard/Insane maps more

???: 5,246 (#447)

Hinsvar
???: 2,080 (#37,896)
I suck too much.

This is unforgivable.

Must repair accuracy and be crazy 8-)
maal

dNextGen wrote:

definitely need to spam DT on most Hard/Insane maps more

???: 5,246 (#447)

???: 4,640 (#1,978)


shut the fuck up dng
ShadowSoul

\:D/
R e d
just 1 question;

It's possible get some points even if i'm not in top 40/50, right'?
theowest


well at least it's better than my current rank.
[Luanny]
Catch The Beat:

WHAT?

I don't even play CtB o_o and my accuracy is shit
lol.
Remilia--_old
this honestly makes me regret playing TAG4 diff's
koki_old_1


!!!!!leet skill
-Athena-
Cookiezi is now #1, okay this ranking system is now perfect sorry Wolfy <3
Mismagius

kriers wrote:

YodaSnipe wrote:

Just for the record Blue Dragon is like mega awesome anddd ranked lower than me... wuddup wit dat?!
Blue Dragon can FC the sickest songs, but his accuracy isn't that good. It probably punishes his ??? scoring.
FUCKING TAG4 MAPS STOP RUINING MY ACCURACY

[Luanny]

Remilia-- wrote:

this honestly makes me regret playing TAG4 diff's
And this makes me regret playing Chipscape and some insane stuff..
My accuracy cries

edit

YEAAAAH
peppy
Please re-read the clarifications. I think you'll find that TAG4 will have no effect.
Aqo
Isn't the system flawed if Cookiezi is #1? He hasn't played for three weeks already and said he's quitting.
[Luanny]
I think his ??? will decrease with time
Aqo
Well I'm kinda saying this because it's been three weeks already. If it was only a few days then obviously there would be no effect, but other top players still play regularly and it's quite a while now... more time it is then.
-Athena-
I was just joking there XD
But in all seriousness he deserves his #1 right now, he'll probably lose it soon though
[Luanny]

-A t H e N a- wrote:

I was just joking there XD
But in all seriousness he deserves his #1 right now, he'll probably lose it soon though
+1
He still have 984876987798699868761777 top ranks in IMPOSSIBLE stuff
As I can see, doesn't matter how much time he stopped playing, he still have many points to consider
The time will change it and put everyone on their correct place
Remilia--_old

peppy wrote:

Please re-read the clarifications. I think you'll find that TAG4 will have no effect.
yessssssssssssss now I don't have to waste my time on that & be idle again :>

No but in all seriousness, I'm glad those diff's aren't a problem
RaneFire
Degradation of skill over time is not a matter of weeks, you play too much. If 2-3 months go by then it's valid, degredation starts. People claim they have taken month long breaks and return even better, so there's no validity there.

EDIT: no reference to play count pls, it's invalid with spunout and offline play.
dNextGen

Emaal wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

definitely need to spam DT on most Hard/Insane maps more

???: 5,246 (#447)

???: 4,640 (#1,978)


shut the fuck up dng
lol ,why so nuub emaal

anyway this new ranking stuff is cool so no more chance for score-whorer to get into the top ranks \:D/
Tom69_old

ShadowSoul wrote:


\:D/
Why is your rank so high. D:
You and your millions of #1s. :/



To be honest, I think I should be higher IF this
favours skill, cannot be farmed (trust me).
is actually going to be enforced.
See the february chart. Note that about 500 of my plays were to get the last 2-3 million points though.

I'm probably just playing too many non-approved and non-ranked maps though. Them being a lot harder than the "official" stuff makes lots of them so much more appealing in my opinion. D:
xsrsbsns
ITT we flaunt

no really

peppy wrote:

Keep in mind even if you are a skilled player, you will still need to play the game to have a high rank.
-Athena-

xsrsbsns wrote:

ITT we flaunt

no really

peppy wrote:

Keep in mind even if you are a skilled player, you will still need to play the game to have a high rank.
Lol hahaha so true
No offense there Tom <3
Wishy

CXu wrote:

So how many times did said pro players play 140bpm maps with DT? I'm not saying that particular map he did in 1 or 2 plays, I'm talking about the progress of getting to that point of skillevel. It's probably a whole amount more than the amount of plays that went into an FL score.

I'm just saying that if a player can FC a 140bpm map with DT in a few tries, it's "essentially" the same as a player that can FC a map with FL in a few times, because they're both a skill aquired after a certain amount of grinding.

Well, that's how I see it anyway.
You develop your skills by playing mods that make the map harder. When you are pro you can go DT maps without having to play them 300 times to FC them. Now, Mesita theoretically by what he says has something like 10.000 FL plays or something like that, I still don't see him 3 min long FL scores in a few plays (5 tops), get the point?
Tom69_old

-A t H e N a- wrote:

peppy wrote:

Keep in mind even if you are a skilled player, you will still need to play the game to have a high rank.
Lol hahaha so true
No offense there Tom <3
Did you even check my profile? Getting several top6 Ranks in Insanes (or hardest diff of the map respectively) per day should be enough to be "playing the game", shouldn't it? Well..
I just didn't do this for a lot of months like most players higher up in the ranking.

No offense you two. <3 .........

Also it's a matter of fact that even though the system puts players in the proper skill cathegories it still doesn't sort by capability that well.
xsrsbsns
That's why, it's an automated system.

You still need to "farm" them, except now the plays have to be decent.
Drafura
Is accuarcy involved in CtB ? I have something like 100 D FC........ I'm worry about that you know peppy ? xD
-Athena-
Perhaps you just aren't playing enough for it to count Tom, I know the people in the top 100 play a whole damn lot, and I don't mean farming, you just dot play as much as the average
Besides, keep calm and consider for a moment that you made it Ito the top 100 of a fairly accurate ranking system, and your play count is among the lowest in the top 100, holy shit man that proves that you're good enough
thelewa
He'll get to the top 50 in less than a month
ReVeNg3r
Tom i think, you cannot expect from system to rank you high if you play unrankable maps..
[Luanny]
/me turns HD or HR on

RANK IN EVERY MAP!
Alice S
So how can I see the ??? ranking for a certain country, like I saw in an earlier post?
GladiOol
I am almost top 100. Big big yeah!!!

then I can finally return to my old playing habit > 250 plays a month~
YodaSnipe

GladiOol wrote:

I am almost top 100. Big big yeah!!!

then I can finally return to my old playing habit > 250 plays a month~
It's teh gladi way.
Laharl


Something's wrong here. My rank should be 5-digit.
OnosakiHito
The informations about the ??? ranking on the main site of it seams legit.
Now we can imagine more how this system is working. I will take it for now how it is and wait for further changes.
thelewa
The top 50 is pretty accurate except for the fact that I'm way too up. Like, 100 ranks too high.
Topic Starter
kriers

ragelewa wrote:

The top 50 is pretty accurate except for the fact that I'm way too up. Like, 100 ranks too high.
well it seems that this system puts the most weight on our absolute best scores, which makes sense because you play a lot of incredible hhr that few else can manage and you have insane acc on your best scores.

It makes sense that you're so far up, because you're just wicked at your best
BlazingFX
Dropping 1 ??? point a day ftw <3
[Luanny]
^See you alfter some years
Daru
Just to clarify, does accuracy directly affect ???, or does it affect the earning of ??? because high accuracy is needed to get the highest scores on maps?

From what I'm reading, people seem to be assuming that getting low accuracy on, for example, WiW will negatively impact ???.


Also it's weird calling it "???". Can we call it "Peppy Points" or something that doesn't involve using punctuation marks as nouns?
Drafura

Daru wrote:

Just to clarify, does accuracy directly affect ???, or does it affect the earning of ??? because high accuracy is needed to get the highest scores on maps?
And we don't need good acc to take the highest score in CtB, please don't use acc for the CtB score calculation (I won't FC again all my troll ranks :( some of them are kinda hard).
RaneFire
Just call it performance rating, since it's based on results. I think using the word skill it just slightly inappropriate, considering the way it works.
cacipan
Please add to the Tab of the Extended Chat Console Rank2
E14
i just saw my points are added only 1 pt ( last saw was 2699, and then 2700) and there's a rank...

i hope peppy will reveal what is that "???" is all about. :D
peppy
how does "pp" sound as a term? "performance points" or "peppy points" as you will :p.
Sander-Don
Pretty neat, boss.
ychao
Sounds good!

Funny how 'pp' also sounds so close to 'peppy'/'pippi'. :)
PROGUY
I like "Performance Points" better, and PP in short would suit it well (for displaying it in-game or in rankings). So yeah, go for it. :)
Aqo
Peppy points sounds nice :D although "PP" will eternally sound like the abbreviation of Penguin Plug in this context (an old ladder program). The system looks really good at the moment, I'd like to see what it does.
Topic Starter
kriers

Aqo wrote:

Peppy points sounds nice :D although "PP" will eternally sound like the abbreviation of Penguin Plug in this context (an old ladder program). The system looks really good at the moment, I'd like to see what it does.
I don't think this game has any problems creating its own terms :P I have never heard of Penguin Plug before, and if I ever see that version of pp, I'll think of performance/peppy points. ;)
mrgnstrn
The new ranking system is cool, i really like it.
But i have one question:
i have created my account on april 2011, have played a bit(300-400 plays in two months for fun), but then i stopped, because i something didn't like in osu!. Started playing "serious" in november 2011. With "old" ranking system i'm feeled ok, but with new i have a pit in 6 month when i was inactive. As Peppy said: " diminishes naturally over time (if you are inactive for a year you'll lose up to half your score)" so, i don't want to loose my ??? points because i haven't created a new account when i started playing again. I know a few people that have much more ??? points, but they play worst than i, and can't pass some maps, which i fc in 1-2 retries. What i must to do in that case?
Oh, my english sucks. I hope you understand what i wrote.
Nharox
Sooo ... my ??? is low because I only have decent Ss (>98%) on Insanes or because I barely play anymore? Probably both. :)

(I'm finally about to hit 25k plays after 4 years, yay!)
YodaSnipe
PP!!!!
Laharl

YodaSnipe wrote:

PP!!!!
^Yep.
Backfire
My E-Penis points very high. Not high enough.
10nya
wwww
Flanster
Pingas Points PRRRRRRRRRRRRomotion.Looks great
haha5957


Finally, the ???'s name has changed to Performance
Stefan
Performance..
What's the next?

A rating system for posts?
mochi
Are we going to be able to sort players by PP in osu soon?
-Athena-
Time for epic thread rename!! XD
---Assault[K]---

Nharox wrote:

Sooo ... my ??? is low because I only have decent Ss (>98%) on Insanes or because I barely play anymore? Probably both. :)

(I'm finally about to hit 25k plays after 4 years, yay!)
urs isn't that low! mines lower! :)
thelewa
THERE'S ALREADY PERFORMANCE RANKINGS IN THE RANKINGS TAB
shaneoyo
Poor Gecko...
McFlurry Destiny
oh, maybe peppy implement Performance sorting for multiplayer soon?
Sth like "Only higher than 5,xxxpp can join"
Topic Starter
kriers
thought it appropriate to rename thread.

Shouldn't this topic get highlighted?
ReVeNg3r
peppy points here. enjoy it ;) :D
Topic Starter
kriers

ReVeNg3r wrote:

peppy points here. enjoy it ;) :D
is it performance points, or is it peppy points? lol
Sakura

There's your answer
-Athena-
It's performance points, but peppy points sounds awesome as well
Topic Starter
kriers
much appreciated. Also feel free to edit OP if I'm doing anything wrong. Thanks ^_^
Boom

Sakura Hana wrote:


There's your answer
What is the minus after Power Point mean?
RaneFire
difference between player above.
CXu
How many points behind the one above you.
-Athena-
Any of the older players thinking of getting back in here again?
Tanzklaue

-A t H e N a- wrote:

Any of the older players thinking of getting back in here again?
why should they? because you have now to rankspam #1 instead of just play the maps?
Aqo
So how much PP are long-time-inactive players going to hold *right now*, with the system just starting? Is the diminish only going to start now, or is it taken into effect already from people's last plays?
Also, does it take into account plays on maps that are non ranked or approved? For example would a pending map count towards PP, or will it only count towards PP (if/)after it becomes ranked/approved, or will plays on currently-not-approved maps be completely disregarded and you'd have to replay maps if/when they get ranked?
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