Miu Matsuoka wrote:

Hi baka~ Hi Miu~

[Easy]
00:51:635 (1) - Finish on slider head? nice
00:54:580 (4) - Clap on slider end fixed
01:18:138 (1) - Delete Whistle on slider head? deleted Whistle and added whistle on head of (2)
02:08:199 (1) - 2nd point: x:336 y:128 3rd point: x:384 y:200 4th point: x:448 y:168 nice, fixed
02:14:089 (1) - Too soon after a spinner I don't think it's too soon...
02:37:463 (2) - x:180 y:120 fixed
02:37:647 (3) - Finish at slider head? ok
02:38:384 (4) - ^
02:39:120 (5) - Finish at slider head and end
02:40:592 (1) - Finish
no for these three.. sorry

[Insane]
01:35:807 (1) - 2nd point: x:360 y:184
01:36:543 (2) - 2nd point: x:152 y:204
01:37:095 (3) - 2nd point: x:204 y:332
all fixed
02:05:439 (2) - Delete New Combo
02:06:176 (2) - ^
new combo makes it more readable imo

EDIT: Use this hitsound for slider tick?I don't see why...

Thanks for modding!

[General]
tag moemoeyz in normal

[Insane]
00:05:070 (1,3,5) - left 1 grid lv4
00:07:095 (3) - right 1 grid lv4
00:53:107 (1,2,3) - [nazi] stack

[Hard]
00:39:856 - this timing section can be softer?
01:13:997 - delete break?
02:22:831 - make it same as [insane], delete break?
02:25:132 (1) - x:380, y:88?

[yzmoe's normal]
00:14:825 (4,5) - stack
00:44:641 (4) - up 1 grid


神曲~ >_<

P.S. yangzd88 is a moe girl

wmf大神连你都这样..(墙角哭

wmfchris wrote:

[General]
tag moemoeyz in normal yeah best tag ever

[Insane]
00:05:070 (1,3,5) - left 1 grid lv4
00:07:095 (3) - right 1 grid lv4
all fixed.
00:53:107 (1,2,3) - [nazi] stack stacked and made some changes to (3)

other diffs will be changed by guest mapper themselves.

thanks for modding~

(and for this:

yangzd88 wrote:

(墙角哭

so moe >.<

General:
strange fillings... like the offset is a little bit fast (not sure just.... nah...)
I was told, that grey and white are not available colours =/ (maybe it's ok but you should ask for some mat's about this(as soon as it's miku maybe it's ok i dunno >.<))
Easy:
overall it's fine, only some places are not following rhythm and then next time they follow =/ like here:
01:15:193 (1,2) - this and 01:18:138 (1,2) - this don't follow while this 01:21:083 (1,2) - follows =/ dunno if that is a mistake just... nah....
Normal:
00:09:672 (4) - as long as it's normal, i think you should move those kind of circles 1 grid right or up (or else they are hard to read( you know, when people play it with hidden))
00:51:635 - 01:03:230 - kiai time? it's a chorus right? (they are just colurful)
01:38:751 - 01:50:531 - and i think that kiai should be added in all diffs in this parts of song as long as it's chorus
02:25:868 - 02:49:242 - ^
Hard:
why you don'i like kiai time? it's so beautiful!
00:04:518 - 00:28:077 - ^
00:51:635 - 01:09:120 - ^
01:25:316 - 01:38:567 - why here colorful? it's not chorus... is it?
01:38:751 - 01:52:371 - here it would fit.
02:06:727 (4) - make it twice shorter with double reverse so it would fit rhythm (end here 02:06:911 - and 2 reverses )
02:08:935 (x) - add circle?
02:25:868 - 03:11:512 - look it's here, WOW, kiai time ^_^
Insane;
the beat map seems. only 1 thing, add kiai time in chorus. i got them ^ in previous diffs.
overall nice. star for interresting idea

nicktoons wrote:

General:
strange fillings... like the offset is a little bit fast (not sure just.... nah...) I think it's fine, might be my Global Offset though.
I was told, that grey and white are not available colours =/ (maybe it's ok but you should ask for some mat's about this(as soon as it's miku maybe it's ok i dunno >.<))
I wondered if anyone responsible of the bubble/rank process ever said grey & white can't be used :/ I think it's ok since it doesn't blend with the background.
Easy:
overall it's fine, only some places are not following rhythm and then next time they follow =/ like here:
01:15:193 (1,2) - this and 01:18:138 (1,2) - this don't follow while this 01:21:083 (1,2) - follows =/ dunno if that is a mistake just... nah....
I don't feel like following the vocal all the time. Note that rhythm != vocal, they're not equivalent.
Insane;
the beat map seems. only 1 thing, add kiai time in chorus. i got them ^ in previous diffs. I guess not... I don't like kiai that much and most players don't.
overall nice. star for interresting idea

Thanks for trying & star, but I changed nothing, so no kds for now. I'll give kds if any guest mapper followed your mod.

Note to guest mappers: don't follow the kiai time suggestions since I didn't do it.

thank you.
also:

[Insane]
01:03:782(1) - 这个spinner感觉出来得慢了一截,最好前提至01:03:506
02:21:451-02:24:764 - 考虑到掉血,加break time或者加note?
02:51:635(9) - new combo.
一点建议

wmfchris wrote:

P.S. yangzd88 is a moe girl

Download: Hatsune Miku - Kamikyoku (Cirno) [JauiPlaY's Hard].osu

你们两个信不信我杀了你们
Download: Hatsune Miku - Kamikyoku (Cirno) [yznoob's Normal].osu
lol and thx for modding

Updated~

and @JauiPlaY

JauiPlaY wrote:

[Insane]
01:03:782(1) - 这个spinner感觉出来得慢了一截,最好前提至01:03:506 在这个时间放spinner的话和bgv转地球配合最好...
02:21:451-02:24:764 - 考虑到掉血,加break time或者加note? :/ HPD5能掉到哪去 加note也不合适啊 >.>
02:51:635(9) - new combo. 改为(14)和后面灰色串的(9)加nc了
一点建议

thanks

Easy:
Just some nazi spacing things. Probably fix in grid level 4. Or err on the side of making things slightly farther apart than 1.0x instead of slightly closer than 1.0x, closer is more noticeable because the look cramped.

02:15:193 (2,4) - These are noticeably closer to the previous note than the next one. Very minor, though.
02:30:285 (1) - ^

yznoob's Normal:
Feels a bit hard for a normal.
00:45:009 (5) - Should this be symmetrical? If so, move center point 3 grids left, then move (1) to the center.
02:02:310 (1) - If (2) is supposed to curve around this, move it 2 grids down, 1 right.

JauiPlay's Hard:
Plays fine.

Insane:
00:58:629 (3) - Jump here is quite large and is also hidden by (1), move away?
01:32:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I played this like five times, and watched it in editor and still couldn't get the pattern. Also, add a note at 01:33:046?

02:11:144 (1,2,1,2) - Are these supposed to be gray? It doesn't seem to fit.
02:32:862 (3) - See 00:58:629 (3)


Nice video and song, and mapped quite well! I especially liked the use of combo colors. Star + Kudostar!

akrolsmir wrote:

Easy:
02:15:193 (2,4) - These are noticeably closer to the previous note than the next one. Very minor, though.
02:30:285 (1) - ^
all fixed

Insane:
00:58:629 (3) - Jump here is quite large and is also hidden by (1), move away? The hiding is intentional
01:32:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I played this like five times, and watched it in editor and still couldn't get the pattern. Also, add a note at 01:33:046?
pattern: (2,3,4) is a spacing x2 jump and then back to regular spacing. add note: I guess not...
02:11:144 (1,2,1,2) - Are these supposed to be gray? It doesn't seem to fit. changed to colored combos
02:32:862 (3) - See 00:58:629 (3) same, intentional

Nice video and song, and mapped quite well! I especially liked the use of combo colors. Star + Kudostar!

Thanks for modding & support!

[Insane]:

1. 00:53:659 (1) - new combo
2. 00:57:156 (9) - ^
3. 00:57:524 (1,2) - 交换new combo
4. 01:06:359 (2) - 能不能换其他的, 这个实在太堵了..
5. 02:05:991 (1) - 这个和02:06:176 (1) 重合? 现在的spacing读起来压力很大..
6. 02:06:176 (1,2,3) - 全选ctrl+r一下 注意音效顺序也会变掉
7. 02:06:543 (1,2,3,4) - 顺序改成上中下中... 这条和上面两个是配套的
8. 02:19:978 (5) - 这个很不错 :3
9. 02:27:340 (1) - 取消new combo
10. 02:27:892 (3) - new combo
11. 02:31:757 (1,2) - 交换new combo
12. 打起来不错 但是缺少工整感

[JauiPlaY's Hard]:

1. 为什么是超大圈... OD+1 这个难度打起来不像Hard

[Normal]:

• 02:36:175 (4,5) - spacing按x0.75的时候来

star~

Colin Hou wrote:

[Insane]:

1. 00:53:659 (1) - new combo
2. 00:57:156 (9) - ^
3. 00:57:524 (1,2) - 交换new combo
   all fixed
4. 01:06:359 (2) - 能不能换其他的, 这个实在太堵了.. I'm unable to come up with a better one, sorry...
5. 02:05:991 (1) - 这个和02:06:176 (1) 重合? 现在的spacing读起来压力很大..
6. 02:06:176 (1,2,3) - 全选ctrl+r一下 注意音效顺序也会变掉
7. 02:06:543 (1,2,3,4) - 顺序改成上中下中... 这条和上面两个是配套的
   ..oh well. ok for these
8. 02:19:978 (5) - 这个很不错 :3 thanks
9. 02:27:340 (1) - 取消new combo
10. 02:27:892 (3) - new combo
11. 02:31:757 (1,2) - 交换new combo
    all fixed. also removed new combo on 00:53:107 (1) for consistency
12. 打起来不错 但是缺少工整感 thanks for advice. I'll try to improve..

thank you

Please reply to this mod saying what you didn't fix (and what you did) and why. Remember these are all suggestions.
Also, if you have any question, feel free to ask me in-game

General

1. You need to add the tags for the mapper of yznoob's difficulty.
2. Add a 1.5 second lead-in.

Easy

1. Way too many repeats sliders with more than 1 repeat and 1/2 to my taste. I tend to think that such sliders are confusing because the number of repeats isn't easy to foresee, and new players don't always think of checking the presence or absence of a repeat arrow.
2. 00:53:107 (2,3) - For consistency with the slider before and the one after, I think it'd be better to remove (3) and extend the slider to where it was. The pattern will be imo a lot better and more consistent !
3. 01:03:506 (1) - Avoid placing spinners so soon after notes in an Easy - it's surprising.
4. 01:18:138 (1,2) - I don't see what they match in the song. So I think it'd be better to just make them 1/1 sliders, it will be a lot less difficult to play.
5. 01:38:751 (1,2,3,4,1) - Replace with the same kind of sliders as in the first chorus ? This will help keep some consistency in the map. Changing the patterns is fine (and recommended - ,-) but I think that using the same rhythms is better for an Easy, for it is easier to play.
6. 02:05:254 (3,5) - Add new combos ? That way you'll have a new combo after each clap-clap, which will be more consistent.
7. 02:12:616 (1) - Very short spinner for an Easy, and it is rather unexpected. Besides, the note after it comes too soon.
8. 02:19:794 (5,6,7) - I find this kind of placement confusing: there are two stacks close in time, but they have different rhythms, and that might be confusing. Unstack (7) ?
   02:27:340 (2,3) - Same as 00:53:107 -
9. 02:28:813 (4) - Forgot a clap on the end ?
10. 02:36:543 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - I find this to be really too hard for an Easy. Especialy the stack. ><
11. 02:46:481 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Too hard. The rhythm is rather complicated, and the pattern itself is rather hard for an Easy.
    03:10:040 (2,3,4) - bit hard too

yznoob's Normal

1. Why doesn't this start at the same time as the other diffs ?
2. Make it end at the same place as Insane and Easy ?
3. Too much 1/2 to my taste, but that's just a personal opinion.
4. 00:26:604 (4,5) - I find this to sound very weird - on top of being rather confusing for a Normal. Maybe extend (4) to the red tick ?
5. 01:41:512 (6) - I expected this to be 1/2 earlier to match the lyrics
6. 01:44:457 (5) - same
7. 02:13:353 (5,1) - The spacing change here is misleading: (1) might be considered to be 1/2 after (5). Spacing (1) further will help make the slow down easy to see since the slider will be slowed down, while having the slow down here through spacing is confusing.
8. 02:19:978 (1) - Huh, if possible, avoid silence beats like that, it's really confusing. Besides, I don't see why you silenced the first one ? o.o
9. 02:36:911 (5) - It's just an opinion, but I avoid using such sliders in Normal/Easy diffs, because their shape makes them shorter than they should be, and it might be misleading for a player.
10. 02:59:733 (1) - Hm... It's too close to the previous slider. Also, I find 1/4 kick sliders to be extremely confusing for Normal diffs, because there's no way to tell when they end, and new players don't always have the habit of holding sliders. Were this slider alone without anything after it, it would have been fine, but there's a note 1/1 after it. New players tend to rush on notes to place their cursor before clicking, and kick sliders makes them combobreak because they don't expect the slider to keep going.

JauiPlaY's Hard

1. Make it end at the same place as Insane and Easy ?
2. I find the 1/4 not to fit at all. It makes the rhythm used confusing.
3. 00:26:604 (1) - Really too soon after the spinner. Also, the rhythm after felt weird. Probably because it starts on a red tick.

Insane

1. 01:10:316 (5,6,7,1) - Confusing. At least add a note on the white tick so that the stack doesn't start on a blue tick. ;~; also these kind of stacks are usually started with triples ><

Thanks. putting a spoilerbox because it's long

As for the guest diffs, I'll let the guest mappers check this themselves asap.

I love this song <3
Well ... not Miku's version
But it's still a good song
Star

Love the colorhax


Easy
no problems

yznoob
i suggest tick rate 1
00:46:481 (2) - ubernazi - not aligned with previous slider
01:10:776 (2) - this extends way off the grid and goes through the hp bad and is a few pixels off the playing field

hard
ok

insane
this is a nightmare to sightread
00:46:481 (1) - very close to being hidden, but it's not so ok



very fucking nice map

Shiirn wrote:

yznoob
i suggest tick rate 1
I'll leave this to be decided by the guest mapper.
00:46:481 (2) - ubernazi - not aligned with previous slider
01:10:776 (2) - this extends way off the grid and goes through the hp bad and is a few pixels off the playing field
Fixed this two myself since the changes are not significant, @yangzd88 hope you don't mind me doing this for you

insane
this is a nightmare to sightread
00:46:481 (1) - very close to being hidden, but it's not so ok
I don't think it's hidden in play mode, so left unchanged

very fucking nice map

Thank you. updated.

It's not hidden in play mode, that was my point. It's fine, someone else might mention it though.

Not sure why I'm modding this but ok.

[General]
- Set the offset to 101 if you'd like.
- Please don't use 0% hitsound volume at parts, it's not good.

[Easy]
00:54:580 (3,1) - Blanket could be a lot better.
01:03:506 (1,1) - Lots of spinner time for [Easy], you might want to make the second one into a break.
02:28:813 (3,1) - Here's the blanket thing again!
02:37:279 (1,2,3) - You should probably remove (2) for consistency, seeing how this is the only time in the map you have to do three 1/2s in a row.
02:58:261 (1) - This spinner is short enough that I believe it could be replaced by a long slider or something.

[yznoob's Normal]
Please use Tick Rate 1 here to be consistent with the other difficulties.
02:07:279 (5) - Spacing seems odd here.
02:19:978 (1) - I can't really hear this note at all. Could you make it audible?
02:41:512 (3,4) - Again with spacing. It's suddenly really close for some reason.
02:59:733 (1) - I disagree with this.

[JauiPlaY's Hard]
00:22:187 (1) - End the spinner 1/2 tick sooner.
01:13:813 - No need for a break here.
02:17:770 (1,2,3,4,1) - The 2x spacing change here is rather sudden and the spacing of (3,4,1) is really bad. You could try gradual acceleration.
02:22:555 - Maaaybe remove the break here. I'm not sure.

That's all! Have a star and stuff.

SapphireGhost wrote:

Not sure why I'm modding this but ok.

[General]
- Set the offset to 101 if you'd like. What's the difference? It snaps at the same time anyway
- Please don't use 0% hitsound volume at parts, it's not good. If you're talking about the new 5% minimum stuff, k changed 0%s to 5% on Soft default.

[Easy]
00:54:580 (3,1) - Blanket could be a lot better. k
01:03:506 (1,1) - Lots of spinner time for [Easy], you might want to make the second one into a break. One can always spin a few rounds and just stop after that if he don't want to spin. This is OD0 okay? It don't require newbies to spin like crazy to get 300.
02:28:813 (3,1) - Here's the blanket thing again! k
02:37:279 (1,2,3) - You should probably remove (2) for consistency, seeing how this is the only time in the map you have to do three 1/2s in a row. This map is 'consistent' enough imo, too much consistency only makes it boring. Hey, 02:58:261 (1) - is the only time you have to spin after 1/1, 03:11:696 (1) - is the only time you have to spin after 1/2, and 01:03:506 (1, 1) - is the only time you have to do 2 spinners! does that mean I should remove all spinners in this map for consistency?
02:58:261 (1) - This spinner is short enough that I believe it could be replaced by a long slider or something. Auto 8000 spinners are not short enough I guess?

I'd say this is quite an easy 2kd for you (lol you didn't even touch insane), go and have a party for your luck.

Cirno wrote:

I'd say this is quite an easy 2kd for you (lol you didn't even touch insane), go and have a party for your luck.

Actually, I did look through Insane and just didn't find any problems because you made it well. Hope that's good enough of a reason for you.

Hey, sorry for the delay...

[General]

1. Combo Colours: The "ColorHax" seems really nice but I think you should use the "Black" and "Grey" colours for this part: 02:02:310 - too. Also, perhaps make "Grey" a bit brighter? It looks really similar to "Black" while playing.
2. Tick Rate: '2' would fit perfectly the song, consider using it.

[Easy]

1. The settings are definitely not the appropriate ones. Try this: OD: '+2' ~ HP Drain: '+1' ~ AR: '-1' (Remember that it's not good at all to keep the settings at '0')
2. 02:37:279 (1,2,3) - I'm not sure if it's a good idea to place these 1/2 circles here. I think that a circle here: 02:37:279 - should be enough but if you want to keep the other beat too you should use a slider instead.
3. 02:48:874 (5) - Definitely not a good idea to place a Kick-Slider here, most of the rookies will expect 1 repeat only. Perhaps, remove 1 repeat and then move the slider 1/2 later? (e.g)
4. 03:11:696 (1) - I don't find this 5% section at the end of the slider really necessary, you should try with 20~30% and a soft-whistle.
5. I didn't see major problems here, good job!

[yznoob's Normal]

1. Tick Rate: 0.5 is no longer allowed, thus you will need to use either '1' or '2'.
2. 00:01:574 - You should start the diff here to match the other diffs.
3. N-no Kiai?
4. 00:17:034 (2,3,4) - Due to the stack effect these objects are overlapping too much with the HP Bar. This can be easily fixed by moving the whole stack a few grids down, I strongly suggest to do it.
5. 01:16:481 (3) - ^
6. 01:41:144 (5,6,1) - I find this part a bit hard to follow, I think (6) would be way more intuitive if you move it to: 01:41:328- where the vocals are pretty clear.
7. 02:19:610 (9,1) - This pattern seemed a bit odd, it looked like 3 circles at first glance. Unstacking (1) would improve the readability a lot. Actually, it would be MUCH better if you replace those objects with a single slider.
8. 02:36:911 (5) - I found the "bulges" of the slider a bit hard to see, perhaps try something like this instead?
9. 02:42:064 (4) - Uhh fix this spacing, please?

[JauiPlaY's Hard]

1. I found the "ColourHax" in this diff a bit "random" like you were not following any pattern. I strongly suggest to either try to create a pattern or follow Cirno's/yznoob's one.
2. 00:22:187 (1) - I'd suggest making this spinner end 1/2 earlies, it would make the next circle easier to read and it sounds way better too~
3. 00:26:604 (1) - Move this slider some grids down so the last spinner hit-burst don't cover the repeat-arrows.
4. 01:13:905 - This break is way too short and unnecessary, remove it please.
5. 02:02:310 ~ 02:17:034 - Those claps on the "Blue Ticks" (1/4 divisor) do not sound good at all imo. I strongly suggest to remove them.
6. 02:22:739 - This one is not as bad as the last one but you should remove it anyways...
7. 03:11:512 (1) - I don't find this 5% section at the end of the slider really necessary, you should try with 20~30% and a soft-whistle.
8. I really liked most of the rhythms you used, keep it up!

[Insane]

1. I'd like to re-mark Tick Rate: '2' for this diff, it would make the slider-speed changes a bit easier to read.
2. 00:53:659 (1,2,3) - I wouldn't suggest using this kind of patterns, it seems really hard to read and it kinda kills the flow imo. You should try to re-arrange it.
3. 01:06:359 (2) - If you're going to use a slow-down for this "Ahhhhhh" you should use another one for the next one too, otherwise the pattern becomes quite disorienting.
4. 02:03:782 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same as before.
5. 02:05:254 - These NC arrangements look really odd and confusing while playing, a simple pattern should be way better.
6. 02:14:825 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I don't like how the spacing changes a lot from circle to circle while all of them are 1/2 apart, I strongly suggest to try to make this spacing a bit easier to read.
7. I found many of the patterns here really nice while I found others rather confusing and hard to read. You should go through the diff and play-test the map many times to make sure that everything is readable and enjoyable for the players~

Okay, I find many things in this mapset really enjoyable while there are others that I really dislike (like the constant slider-speed changes in [Insane]). Thus, I'll not mark this map with a star yet, I'll probably re-check this map eventually tho.

Good luck!

Gonzvlo wrote:

Hey, sorry for the delay... Never mind

[General]

1. Combo Colours: The "ColorHax" seems really nice but I think you should use the "Black" and "Grey" colours for this part: 02:02:310 - too. Also, perhaps make "Grey" a bit brighter? It looks really similar to "Black" while playing. used the monochrome colors for 02:02:310 -. The darker Grey has a Brightness of 102 and the lighter one has 200, which was almost twice as the darker one and was really close to 240, which is totally white. So I don't think the lighter one should be made any brighter.
2. Tick Rate: '2' would fit perfectly the song, consider using it.
   Hmm.. I don't really think so. A slider longer than 1/2 is used when 1/2 don't fit the song or the rhythm being followed/created. A tick rate of 2 nullifies all the efforts of plotting the rhythm, as it made anything equivalent to an endless stream of 1/2 circles. Besides, the tick hitsounds are a total horrid not only to me, but to many others as well. So, I'm not changing this at the moment..Thanks for understanding.

[Easy]

1. The settings are definitely not the appropriate ones. Try this: OD: '+2' ~ HP Drain: '+1' ~ AR: '-1' (Remember that it's not good at all to keep the settings at '0') ok
2. 02:37:279 (1,2,3) - I'm not sure if it's a good idea to place these 1/2 circles here. I think that a circle here: 02:37:279 - should be enough but if you want to keep the other beat too you should use a slider instead. I still think I should keep the other beat, so made a slider.
3. 02:48:874 (5) - Definitely not a good idea to place a Kick-Slider here, most of the rookies will expect 1 repeat only. Perhaps, remove 1 repeat and then move the slider 1/2 later? (e.g) I still wanted the clap hitsound, so I placed a circle at 02:48:874, and made the slider behave as you say.
4. 03:11:696 (1) - I don't find this 5% section at the end of the slider really necessary, you should try with 20~30% and a soft-whistle. I want the spinner to silent out because the song itself is "fading" (through the uses of Delay) out, and don't really have a emphasized finish sound. I tried a soft-whistle and it sounded a bit too much.
5. I didn't see major problems here, good job!

[Insane]

1. I'd like to re-mark Tick Rate: '2' for this diff, it would make the slider-speed changes a bit easier to read. The latter part is true for a small chunk of players in osu!. I would be more than glad to do this small favor if sliderticks only indicate speed and do not produce sounds. However as I said before, the tick sounds annoyed me, so I'm not sure about making it 2. Do you have a good solution to the hitsound problem?
2. 00:53:659 (1,2,3) - I wouldn't suggest using this kind of patterns, it seems really hard to read and it kinda kills the flow imo. You should try to re-arrange it. Hmm.. The 'back-and-forth' motion I used here can make the player go like 'bouncing back', releasing the energy stored from the previous pause and slow-down, thus enhancing the following flowing formation (2,3,1). This is repeatedly used in this map as you have already seen (the 'constant speed changes' as you mentioned), and is actually a design intended to express the 'feel' or 'emotions' of the music, not a way to frustrate players.
3. 01:06:359 (2) - If you're going to use a slow-down for this "Ahhhhhh" you should use another one for the next one too, otherwise the pattern becomes quite disorienting. As many already have mentioned before, I think making this 1.0x +1repeat instead of 0.5x would be much less disorienting for players.
4. 02:03:782 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same as before. I spread (2,4) out in a fan-like fashion so it should be easier to read now.
5. 02:05:254 - These NC arrangements look really odd and confusing while playing, a simple pattern should be way better. ok
6. 02:14:825 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I don't like how the spacing changes a lot from circle to circle while all of them are 1/2 apart, I strongly suggest to try to make this spacing a bit easier to read. Made (1,2,3) DS and only one jump exists on (3,4) now. I hope this is easier to read.
7. I found many of the patterns here really nice while I found others rather confusing and hard to read. You should go through the diff and play-test the map many times to make sure that everything is readable and enjoyable for the players~
   Well I think I have played this diff for at least, if not more than, 80PC during all the process. I constantly play-test when mapping, and I play-test for several times every time I'm checking a mod post, to catch the reasons behind mods and find out if I should change or not. I think the majority of this map is enjoyable as least for me and many modders/testplayers I found...

Okay, I find many thing in this mapset really enjoyable while there are others that I really dislike (like the constant slider-speed changes in [Insane]). Thus, I'll not mark this map with a star yet, I'll probably re-check this map eventually tho.

Good luck!

Thanks Gonz

Insane

00:23:291 (3) - add clap at the end of slider
00:24:212 (8) - add clap
00:24:396 (10) - remove clap
00:24:580 (11) - add clap
00:58:997 (1) - i don't see the point of decreasing the SV when you're in the middle of the same section of a song, at least in this way.
01:10:316 (5,6,7,1) - i would unstack this or maybe move 01:10:592 (7) - somewhere else. idk, it's just me.
01:32:862 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - something just really confuses me here. try spacing the notes a little differently?
01:38:291 (1) - remove combo. the new combo really doesn't fit imo
01:47:034 (5) - new combo?
02:05:991 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - god this really confuses me especially with these grey and white combo colors. I wouldn't mind as much if the combo colors were a little more visible
02:33:230 (1) - yea, that SV. idk. doesn't make sense to me.
02:45:930 (5) - new combo?

JauiPlaY's

--the first combo set is really loud imo...
--kind of a big difficulty gap between this and insane

00:15:745 (2) - add clap
00:16:113 (4) - add finish at the end
02:15:561 (5) - new combo?
02:17:770 (1,2,3,4) - the spacing change is a little sudden imo.
02:39:120 (5) - new combo?
02:42:064 (4) - new combo?
02:57:340 (5) - add clap at the end

yznoob's

--there's no kiai time D:
--seems a little hard
--slidertick rate 1? to keep consistency through out diffs


00:28:077 (1) - i would rather unstack this..
01:14:457 (6) - perhaps move this note 1/2 tick back to 01:14:273, and add a note at 01:14:825?
02:19:610 (9,1) - i feel this could be a little confusing for beginners, and also, ahhh, the slider is almost off screen ._. and another comment... i usually wouldn't use silent sliders
02:59:733 (1) - eh... i wouldn't use this
03:09:672 (5) - i would unstack this..

Easy

Nothing really to say. seems fine to me.

Nice map! :3

As yangzd88 and JauiPlaY don't seem to be taking care of their diffs anymore, I'll be taking over from now on = ="
@yangzd88, JauiPlaY If you want to take back the control just contact me by any means ._.




And thanks again to all of you, updated

NI HAO

Easy
00:16:297 (1) - Add finish at head slider?
00:24:764 (x) - Add note here for following instruments?
01:01:942 (x) - ^
01:02:310 (2) - Remove 1 repeating slider?
01:03:506 (1,1) - Is that necessary for having 2 spinner?
01:44:641 (3) - New combo for stanza?
02:06:359 (2) - Don't stack at tail slider, it could be confusing for beginners
02:48:874 (5) - Remove this, it's too difficult for beginners


yznoob's Normal
* AR +1? Your current approach rate is kinda slow
* Set the Audio-LeadIn to "1000" for make consistent on each diff
* In Kiai #1, set the end kiai to 03:11:512 for make consistent on each diff

00:04:518 (7) - New combo?
00:05:991 (1) - Remove new combo?
00:07:463 (1) - This slider is touch the HP Bar
00:08:199 (2) - ^
00:20:715 (3) - ^
00:22:923 (2) - Shorten to 00:23:291 for good rhythm?
00:46:113 (1) - This object is touch the HP Bar
00:56:052 (4) - Same issue as 00:07:463 (1)
01:33:782 (2) - Replace this into one slider? And end at 01:33:966?
02:06:175 (2) - Same issue as 00:46:113 (1)
02:59:733 (1) - 1/4 repeating slider confusing for beginners about when the slider is going to end


JauiPlaY's Hard
01:26:420 ~ 01:38:751 - Use a monochrome combo color for fit the song
02:05:254 (1) - I don't think repeating slider in blue tick is fit to song....
02:06:727 (4) - ^
03:00:285 (1,2,3,4,5) - Arrange the pattern like this one? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/227654


Insane
00:54:396 (3) - Not stack correctly with tail slider (look at gameplay)
01:05:623 ~ 01:12:248 - This part seems needs a clap hitsound....
01:15:193 ~ 01:26:972 - Use a monochrome combo color for fit the song
01:32:862 (1,2) - This stuff is makes players go confusing. Because this snap at white tick and 01:33:414 (3,4,5,6,7,8) is a 1/2 jump stream. I think the jump should be balanced
02:28:629 (3) - Not stack correctly with tail slider (look at gameplay)
02:52:187 (1) - Why new combo?
02:54:580 (1) - ^


Ok, sorry for long mod D:

Leorda wrote:

NI HAO

Easy
00:16:297 (1) - Add finish at head slider?
00:24:764 (x) - Add note here for following instruments?
01:01:942 (x) - ^
ok, fixed those
01:02:310 (2) - Remove 1 repeating slider? maybe not
01:03:506 (1,1) - Is that necessary for having 2 spinner? guidelines say spinners can't be too long ._.
01:44:641 (3) - New combo for stanza? ok
02:06:359 (2) - Don't stack at tail slider, it could be confusing for beginners ok
02:48:874 (5) - Remove this, it's too difficult for beginners ok

yznoob's Normal
* AR +1? Your current approach rate is kinda slow +1
* Set the Audio-LeadIn to "1000" for make consistent on each diff done
* In Kiai #1, set the end kiai to 03:11:512 for make consistent on each diff ok

00:04:518 (7) - New combo?
00:05:991 (1) - Remove new combo?
00:07:463 (1) - This slider is touch the HP Bar
00:08:199 (2) - ^
00:20:715 (3) - ^
all fixed
00:22:923 (2) - Shorten to 00:23:291 for good rhythm? I think it's good as it is.
00:46:113 (1) - This object is touch the HP Bar
00:56:052 (4) - Same issue as 00:07:463 (1)
fixed the two
01:33:782 (2) - Replace this into one slider? And end at 01:33:966? ...maybe not
02:06:175 (2) - Same issue as 00:46:113 (1) fixed
02:59:733 (1) - 1/4 repeating slider confusing for beginners about when the slider is going to end why not just map with all 1/1s at the playfield center to please beginners

Insane
00:54:396 (3) - Not stack correctly with tail slider (look at gameplay) somehow tricked the system into displaying it correctly
01:05:623 ~ 01:12:248 - This part seems needs a clap hitsound.... maybe not... I guess
01:15:193 ~ 01:26:972 - Use a monochrome combo color for fit the song colored for verse seems sensible for me though
01:32:862 (1,2) - This stuff is makes players go confusing. Because this snap at white tick and 01:33:414 (3,4,5,6,7,8) is a 1/2 jump stream. I think the jump should be balanced made a less confusing variation
02:28:629 (3) - Not stack correctly with tail slider (look at gameplay) somehow tricked the system into displaying it correctly
02:52:187 (1) - Why new combo?
02:54:580 (1) - ^ Combo color showcase (in the combo color sequence shown before: (green -> grey -> light grey) -> (red -> grey -> light grey) -> (yellow -> grey -> light grey) )


Ok, sorry for long mod D:

thx

pm me in-game

irc modding involving a strange bug with the video that is now (mostly) solved and a 0% volume section
no kd, blah blah.


If you notice the trouble with the video (when moving around in editor or retrying in-game, the video freezes up and loops a random few seconds momentarily [before we 'fixed' it it did that loop for the entire map!]) and know how to fix it, by all means please post.


Otherwise, Bubbled!

Well deserved after such consistent effort.

Random bubble mod

[General]

Good.

[Easy]

00:07:095 - Try a pattern like this: (flows better)

[yznoob's Normal]

yznoob? I think that a more appropriate title for this difficulty would be yangzd88's Normal.
00:28:077 - Because of the fact that all notes (previously) that had been under a slider were 1/2 beat apart, I also thought that this was 1/2 beat apart from the slider before it. Please fix this! I have provided a suggestion on what you could do.
00:40:592 - ^

[JauiPlaY's Hard]

Good.

[Insane]

00:17:586 (2,3) - I see what you're getting at here, but I think stacking these would look much better.
1:10:316 - While playing this, I couldn't read and click the notes in time due to the fact that the approach circles somewhat blended in with the background. I'm not sure if this is the case for all people, but I'm just letting you know that this could be done better. Try re-arranging the combos a bit to make it that only ONE combo is used in this pattern. (I use no-video).

Jacob wrote:

Random bubble mod

[General]

Good.

[Easy]

00:07:095 - Try a pattern like this: (flows better)
imo it flows fine as it is.

[yznoob's Normal]

yznoob? I think that a more appropriate title for this difficulty would be yangzd88's Normal.
yangzd88 credit all her guest diffs as yznoob except in http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19733 , and I respect how the guest name her diff.
00:28:077 - Because of the fact that all notes (previously) that had been under a slider were 1/2 beat apart, I also thought that this was 1/2 beat apart from the slider before it. Please fix this! I have provided a suggestion on what you could do.
00:40:592 - ^
I don't find problems with these sorry. Watch approach circles could you? If you don't know what approach circles are for go play tutorial and learn to play plz.

[JauiPlaY's Hard]

Good.

[Insane]

00:17:586 (2,3) - I see what you're getting at here, but I think stacking these would look much better. not better for me. If you are really for this, then go map your own version. Oh and I don't like plain nazi mods, just fyi.
1:10:316 - While playing this, I couldn't read and click the notes in time due to the fact that the approach circles somewhat blended in with the background. I'm not sure if this is the case for all people, but I'm just letting you know that this could be done better. Try re-arranging the combos a bit to make it that only ONE combo is used in this pattern. (I use no-video).
All maps that have video are supposed to be played with video. End of story.

thanks anyway

...you didn't have to be so rude. >_>

Jacob wrote:

...you didn't have to be so rude. >_>

sorry for that.

Sigh, it's okay.

I guess my modding ability needs some work.
I'll keep trying. Thanks for your criticism, though.

Oh, one thing you may want to look at. :3

00:28:077 - Because of the fact that all notes (previously) that had been under a slider were 1/2 beat apart, I also thought that this was 1/2 beat apart from the slider before it. Please fix this! I have provided a suggestion on what you could do.
00:40:592 - ^
I don't find problems with these sorry. Watch approach circles could you? If you don't know what approach circles are for go play tutorial and learn to play plz.

Look at it from an intermediate player's point of view. They may get confused by this. My suggestion was just a small change, and it wouldn't hurt anyone. It would most likely benefit the map. If you really don't want your bubble to be popped or you really don't agree with me, then that's okay.

The issues shouldn't cause too much grief since this will be looked at by a BAT tomorrow.

Jacob wrote:

Look at it from an intermediate player's point of view. They may get confused by this. My suggestion was just a small change, and it wouldn't hurt anyone. It would most likely benefit the map. If you really don't want your bubble to be popped or you really don't agree with me, then that's okay.

Shiirn wrote:

The issues shouldn't cause too much grief since this will be looked at by a BAT tomorrow.

Thanks to Shiirn for informing me...Then let's leave this for the BAT to decide. I still don't think the change is that necessary though, regardless of this map being bubbled or not. So BAT points this out -> change, otherwise no.

@Jacob Thanks for sharing your opinion, though imo [Normal]s should not only be some easy score for new players, but also stairways to harder diffs, that means [Normal]s may feature patterns that players shall see in harder diffs as to make the transition smoother. Also while an [Easy] presents in the mapset, there's no real need to make the [Normal] that easy.

Alright. I see.

Hi old bubble!

[General]
- I wonder why are you using grey/white, the video is very colorful 0.0 (and this doesn't seem to be like those wowaka songs?)

[Easy]
03:11:696 (1) - I think this spinner is a bit too short for an Easy >.<

[yznoob's Normal]
02:59:733 (1) - This slider is too short. Besides being under the end of the previous slider, the reverse arrow gets covered by the hitburst. http://ha.ppy.sh/ss/193 If you really want to have this slider here, consider adding a speedup just for this slider to make it longer.

[Insane]
- The slowdowns bother me a lot. Some of them are predictable but some of them aren't, you should increase the tickrate to 2. I've read what you've written in other posts asking for solutions, maybe look for custom hitsounds for ticks? I'm sure you'll find a fitting one! Maybe even the hitsounds you have right now may work.

01:33:782 (5) - Add a New Combo here to mark the spacing/pattern change. It'll also make it more readable.
02:05:254 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - This is way too messy and VERY hard to read http://ha.ppy.sh/ss/194, try to rearrange this pattern please >.<

Pretty nice and fun map, popping for now though :c

Beuchi-chan wrote:

Hi old bubble!

[General]
- I wonder why are you using grey/white, the video is very colorful 0.0 (and this doesn't seem to be like those wowaka songs?) The contrast in the video & music between sections made me do this. EDIT: I can change this if you insist, don't care anymore.

[Easy]
03:11:696 (1) - I think this spinner is a bit too short for an Easy >.< ok

[yznoob's Normal]
02:59:733 (1) - This slider is too short. Besides being under the end of the previous slider, the reverse arrow gets covered by the hitburst. http://ha.ppy.sh/ss/193 If you really want to have this slider here, consider adding a speedup just for this slider to make it longer. ok

[Insane]
- The slowdowns bother me a lot. Some of them are predictable but some of them aren't, you should increase the tickrate to 2. I've read what you've written in other posts asking for solutions, maybe look for custom hitsounds for ticks? I'm sure you'll find a fitting one! Maybe even the hitsounds you have right now may work. oh well I just set all diffs to 2 if that's what I have to do. Don't care about how it sounds anymore.

01:33:782 (5) - Add a New Combo here to mark the spacing/pattern change. It'll also make it more readable. ok
02:05:254 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - This is way too messy and VERY hard to read http://ha.ppy.sh/ss/194, try to rearrange this pattern please >.< ok

Pretty nice and fun map, popping for now though :c

thx

Cirno wrote:

[General]
- I wonder why are you using grey/white, the video is very colorful 0.0 (and this doesn't seem to be like those wowaka songs?) The contrast in the video & music between sections made me do this. EDIT: I can change this if you insist, don't care anymore.

I was just curious, but I think white blends a bit too much with the background sometimes. I'll let the next BAT decide.

RE-BUBBLED!!

[Easy]
00:07:095 (4) - Please don't stack notes under slider ends in Easys
00:07:463 (1) - I don't recommend having such a short slider with so many repeats like that in an Easy as well. It's hard to tell when it's going to end.
00:20:254 - ^
00:27:708 (4,5) - Stacked under slider ends
00:44:273 (1) - etc. There are a lot of these. Please take care of them.
00:49:426 (2,3,4) - I found this to play a lot better for an Easy:

01:22:371 (3,1) - Yeah, that's not newbie friendly
02:05:254 (1,2,1) - A 3 hit then a 4 hit? Yeah, please no.
02:19:794 (5,6) - Wary of that rhythm as a stack for this level of difficulty
02:21:451 (7) - I'm not seeing the point of this note in the middle of complete silence in the music. Silencing the end of 02:19:978 (6) - would be cool too.
02:49:058 (5) - Please not in a easy.
02:58:261 (1) - This spinner feels really awkward. It's kind of short and the notes after it are pretty soon. I'd map through it.
03:03:782 (6) - Please no stacked notes under slider ends in an easy
03:09:304 (1) - Makes more sense to end this at 03:12:616 -

[Normal]
00:26:604 (4,5,1) - This is pretty tricky. The rhythm is different, and instead of stacking a 1/2 like all the others before, you do a 1/1.
02:13:353 (5,1) - This spacing is really deceiving.
02:19:610 (9,1) - This looks kind of messy with the approach circles.
02:36:175 (4,5) - Spacing is deceiving
02:58:997 (2,1) - ^
03:10:040 (1) - End this at 03:12:616 -

[Hard]
00:10:040 (7) - Hit sounds are weird on this
03:11:512 (1) - End this at 03:12:616 -
Pretty nice Hard here.

[Insane]
Wow, this is much much harder than I was expecting after playing the ENH.
00:46:113 - Why so empty of hit objects suddenly?
00:58:997 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Whyyy 1x and 1.5x mixed up during the chorus. It doesn't read or play well at all since you don't use the speed changes consistently. I really recommend you rethink these.
01:09:304 - I'd either go all out with a long spinner from here or map through the spinner you have. Right now it starts and ends awkwardly and doesn't really fit the song at all.
01:22:923 (7,8,9) - Stacking positions these weird. I recommend trying a different pattern.
01:26:052 (1,2,3) - Strange to have these stacked but all the other 1/4 rhythms not.
02:21:911 - Add a break here and delay the start of it at 02:22:923 -

03:11:604 (1) - End this at 03:12:616 -

Those slider speed changes have to go. Either make them consistently used with the song or get rid of them altogether. Right now it's mostly a guessing game even with the slider ticks and it's just frustrating to play instead of having something to to kick back and relax with. I also didn't like how much more difficult the Insane was compared to the Hard. You had a nice difficulty spread going from E to N to H, but to I was a huge jump.

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

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If you don't plan on doing anything, please don't waste the time of those that want to help you with your maps.

Garven wrote:

If you don't plan on doing anything, please don't waste the time of those that want to help you with your maps.

If I have to remap the whole thing to get the map rankable, I can't see the point of getting it ranked at all. To me, it does not matter how many ranked maps are credited to the account "Cirno", but rather, how many maps that express my understanding of the song and mapping get ranked.

So yes, I won't remove the speed changes. I won't do anything that defy the purpose of compensating with all those mods, as said above, if I have to do that to get the map ranked, I'd rather just have it graved. It's not my mapset anymore. EDIT: In other words, I may plan on doing something, but not doing everything.
Though this map, in its current state, can be shitty and unrankable, it's still mine. I'm happy to learn in the process that there are people who like or once liked it, and that's enough.

If you ever feel like rebubbling, I can change those else that does not affect the main structure of the map. If not, just leave this popped, thanks.

For the time thing:
Time that is spent is spent, I can only apologize to those people. And after all, it's my time that get wasted the most.
I also understand that your time is precious, you could have used that time to rank someone else's map, and so my shitty map prevented some map from ranking. Please have my apologizes, though you chose this map on your own.
I'm also grateful because I finally learned that a map liked by many modders, approved by 2 bats, may actually need remapping to be rankable.

Thanks and sorry for your dear efforts.

Where did I say to remap the entire map? You're blowing misinterpretations out of proportion.

If you can give me a good justification behind to speed changes, I'm happy to adjust what I mod. What bugged me most was that those speed changes were used inconsistently. You slowed down during one part of a song and when that part of the song repeated, you didn't use it there. You used it in a different place. The only purpose I see this giving is to confuse the player, not represent something from the music. THAT is why I don't like them and wouldn't put my name behind this map set for ranking.

So: If you can give me a good reason WHY you mapped in this manner besides "it's my map" then I'm willing to discuss things.

nice map *w*

Garven wrote:

Where did I say to remap the entire map? You're blowing misinterpretations out of proportion.

I must say to produce a good map, any SV change, even for a single object, can make at least a large section subject to adjustment of slider shapes, spacing, object placing... or essentially that's remap. You could make an argument that I can just add a repeat to each slider or place circles stacked under them, but that's not good mapping. Maybe you map that way, 呵呵.

Garven wrote:

What bugged me most was that those speed changes were used inconsistently. You slowed down during one part of a song and when that part of the song repeated, you didn't use it there. You used it in a different place.

As you can see, I have 2 different chorus map sections. They appeared in a A B AB sequence. A has slowdowns, and the 2 As are just rotated 180 degrees, they are identical. And yes, the 2 Bs do not slowdown at the same points -- they have no SV changes at all. Actually I can't see where did I "use slowdowns in different places", they just exist or don't exist.

Garven wrote:

The only purpose I see this giving is to confuse the player, not represent something from the music. THAT is why I don't like them and wouldn't put my name behind this map set for ranking.

imo slowdowns add to the dynamics of the flow, making it less monotonous and boring. The hold-and-release procedure can then make the flow follow the music more, by changing speeds relative to the feel of music. It is not a way designed to frustrate players.

So probably that's all what I'm going to say.


That's it.

I tire of you putting words in my mouth. I'm willing to work with you, but with your current attitude, I'm finding it distasteful to bother and you obviously don't reciprocate. Let me know if you have a change of heart and want to work this map towards ranking.

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