so allow all the multis and all the cheaters? :p
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Poll 12: How should we deal with cheaters?
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A cheater is found (100% certain). What do we do with them?
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Works for me :ppeppy wrote:
so allow all the multis and all the cheaters? :p
/runs
On a more serious note I think perma-ban is the best option, it may not be foolproof but it shows that we actually care
Xau_old
Second chance. Thats your 453th account, asdasdasd654456
I was always thinking that preventing cheating is more important and useful than ways to ban them
Well, anyway. I voted for permaban
Well, anyway. I voted for permaban
Xau_old
Option 3:
Also all of their forum posts, their complete profile and all of the cheaters beatmaps are deleted. They should also be marked in both the user online list in game and their profile as a cheater so everyone will see it, and it should be so noticeable that you can not miss it. Also they should be silenced forever in any chat room and private messages. That is a very good punishment for cheaters, just let them be online and enjoy their shamefull existance and let them at least play without taking part in the community ever again in any way. This should also be applied for any other account they had before they got banned and also every new one they will create. And they should never again be able to post on the forums! Or make a subforum where only cheaters are allowed to post and let them cry with each other for the rest of their life
Also all of their forum posts, their complete profile and all of the cheaters beatmaps are deleted. They should also be marked in both the user online list in game and their profile as a cheater so everyone will see it, and it should be so noticeable that you can not miss it. Also they should be silenced forever in any chat room and private messages. That is a very good punishment for cheaters, just let them be online and enjoy their shamefull existance and let them at least play without taking part in the community ever again in any way. This should also be applied for any other account they had before they got banned and also every new one they will create. And they should never again be able to post on the forums! Or make a subforum where only cheaters are allowed to post and let them cry with each other for the rest of their life
Hm, i don't think so. I recall you getting banned and then getting back with your original account. That was your second chance. If you kept cheating after that you're just stupid and should get permabans in every acc.asdasdasd654456 wrote:
im talking acount getting permanent banned for secundary account cheating. No second chances? second chances are only to main account cheaters right? that's so fair..Bittersweet wrote:
Second chance. Thats your 453th account, asdasdasd654456
Xau_old
my first ban wasn't even fair.. some player called nautic started trolling around and then i got banned. i never got a second chance for cheatingBittersweet wrote:
Hm, i don't think so. I recall you getting banned and then getting back with your original account. That was your second chance. If you kept cheating after that you're just stupid and should get permabans in every acc.
Guys, please keep this thread on topic.
Ban them all. They destroy game's atmosphere so badly...
Problem: cheaters submit scores that they do not deserve.
Solution: prevent them from submitting new scores.
This lets them keep their old account. If you have a good way of tracking multi accounts, you can use that information to then ban new accounts. Keep in mind that anyone who picks up the game and is immediately awesome at it is either a multi-accounter or cheating. You can lump multi-accounts into "cheating".
you can't stop someone smart from making a 2nd account and making no reference to their previous account. I'm also pretty sure nobody has ever done this before.
Solution: prevent them from submitting new scores.
This lets them keep their old account. If you have a good way of tracking multi accounts, you can use that information to then ban new accounts. Keep in mind that anyone who picks up the game and is immediately awesome at it is either a multi-accounter or cheating. You can lump multi-accounts into "cheating".
you can't stop someone smart from making a 2nd account and making no reference to their previous account. I'm also pretty sure nobody has ever done this before.
Disease_old_1
Voted for option 1:
People who once cheated are highly likely to cheat again, giving a second chance as you said peppy, may lead to that user who wasted your time lying to you/insisting for a second chance making you waste your time again (or you could even say that guy is insulting you).
Then again, a permanent ban makes you lose your "public ID" and your friend list. To be honest if I ever got banned what I'd suffer the most isn't the lost of my stats/score, but the fact I got to start out again as a random user not being able to say publicly who I am. Not having a second chance to play even if some day I feel like getting some top scores and stuff, since I know the moment anyone from the staff ends up knowing who I really am I gonna lose them.
Option 2:
Lol, this is basically "you can go cheat do whatever you want, you gonna get 999 chances if you say you're sorry!". The worst out of those 3.
Option 3:
Sounds cool, but I still prefer 3 since it's kind of the same than this but harsher. On this idea you basically "ban him" from the game but the guy can still post and stuff, if he ever wanna play he can do a multi and that's all...
People who once cheated are highly likely to cheat again, giving a second chance as you said peppy, may lead to that user who wasted your time lying to you/insisting for a second chance making you waste your time again (or you could even say that guy is insulting you).
Then again, a permanent ban makes you lose your "public ID" and your friend list. To be honest if I ever got banned what I'd suffer the most isn't the lost of my stats/score, but the fact I got to start out again as a random user not being able to say publicly who I am. Not having a second chance to play even if some day I feel like getting some top scores and stuff, since I know the moment anyone from the staff ends up knowing who I really am I gonna lose them.
Option 2:
Lol, this is basically "you can go cheat do whatever you want, you gonna get 999 chances if you say you're sorry!". The worst out of those 3.
Option 3:
Sounds cool, but I still prefer 3 since it's kind of the same than this but harsher. On this idea you basically "ban him" from the game but the guy can still post and stuff, if he ever wanna play he can do a multi and that's all...
Xau_old
If I understand this correctly, they can still play the game as well. They just no longer play the game with any form of online recognition. When osu dies, everyone will be on option 3.Wishy22 wrote:
Option 3:
Sounds cool, but I still prefer 3 since it's kind of the same than this but harsher. On this idea you basically "ban him" from the game but the guy can still post and stuff, if he ever wanna play he can do a multi and that's all...
The point is that you're not allowed to cheat on any account.asdasdasd654456 wrote:
what? no. i want a second chance because i cheated on other accounts and my main account it's completely legit. cheating again is not my target
He shouldn't even be allowed to have multiaccounts imo.
ztrot wrote:
I'd go with the 2nd choice but maybe instead wipe score and give them one more chance to play while submitting scores.
But for now I'd stick with giving a 2nd chance with a new account possibly link that there old account was such and such if possible?
My thoughts exactly o:
@ziin
It's kind of the same thing, if that guy ever wants to play online again all he has to do is make another account... and even if you can "pursue him" using his IP or anything, you still can't prove it's really him player, and then again if he changes his IP and then starts using another account you can prove nothing.
The main issue are MULTI ACCOUNTS, that problem comes from the fact that accounts are worth pretty much NOTHING. Even if you get yourself banned all you got to do is make another account and that's it, obviously cheaters don't really care about getting banned/losing their scores (since they cheated them lol). I think this would be solved with some cool ladder system/good ranking system where rank actually means something.
It's kind of the same thing, if that guy ever wants to play online again all he has to do is make another account... and even if you can "pursue him" using his IP or anything, you still can't prove it's really him player, and then again if he changes his IP and then starts using another account you can prove nothing.
The main issue are MULTI ACCOUNTS, that problem comes from the fact that accounts are worth pretty much NOTHING. Even if you get yourself banned all you got to do is make another account and that's it, obviously cheaters don't really care about getting banned/losing their scores (since they cheated them lol). I think this would be solved with some cool ladder system/good ranking system where rank actually means something.
voted perma-ban TAKE NO PRISONERS!
More importantly, is there really no way to prevent multis? :/
More importantly, is there really no way to prevent multis? :/
Player A's account 1 is banned.Wishy22 wrote:
@ziin
It's kind of the same thing, if that guy ever wants to play online again all he has to do is make another account... and even if you can "pursue him" using his IP or anything, you still can't prove it's really him player, and then again if he changes his IP and then starts using another account you can prove nothing.
The main issue are MULTI ACCOUNTS, that problem comes from the fact that accounts are worth pretty much NOTHING. Even if you get yourself banned all you got to do is make another account and that's it, obviously cheaters don't really care about getting banned/losing their scores (since they cheated them lol). I think this would be solved with some cool ladder system/good ranking system where rank actually means something.
Player A gets new IP.
Player A makes new account 2, never logs onto banned account 1.
No way to match account 2 with account 1.
Player A's account 1 gets suspended.
Player A gets new IP.
Player A makes new account 2, occasionally logs onto suspended account 1 with new IP.
We now have a link between new account 2 and suspended account 1, and can act appropriately. Furthermore, account 2 will likely be SSing insane songs on day 1, which is not humanly possible. Banning new accounts should not be a difficult process, so long as there is an explanation as to why the account was banned (in this case, the player is way too good to be new).
IP matching is used to find multi accounts on another forum I moderate, and is not foolproof (siblings on same IP, ISP re-uses old IP). By using such a system as well as comparing relative skill levels of the two accounts, it should be a simple (though tedious) process to determine multi-accounts.
The other problem is that a lot of the high profile cheaters didn't really cheat their way up to being that good, they did it in order to see if they could get away with it/get banned because they don't like the community anymore.
also, this person's account should just be straight up banned right now, no questions asked.asdasdasd654456 wrote:
what? no. i want a second chance because i cheated on other accounts and my main account it's completely legit. cheating again is not my target
Voted option 3 since scores and community are, to me, unrelated.
If nothing else, then a score reset would probably be the safest option. Even better, this should be undoable, in case it turns out that the player wasn't cheating. If a player cheats, then a simple score reset would enable them to stay in touch with the community.
halo398
halo398: please use the edit button instead of posting again in a row, specially when you add something just like a minute after
Option 4: Send ninjas.
The only good it might do to let them talk on their existing account is if it stops them from creating multiaccounts and cheating again. It might be worth a try as an experiment to see if this is the case, but I doubt.
Maybe so, but I don't see how anyone can cheat and still want the best for the community.Mr Color wrote:
Voted option 3 since scores and community are, to me, unrelated.
The only good it might do to let them talk on their existing account is if it stops them from creating multiaccounts and cheating again. It might be worth a try as an experiment to see if this is the case, but I doubt.
You can cheat once then feel guilty and/or stupid about it and decide to redeem yourself by actively participating in the community, in my opinion. Granted, that's a rare case, but I think people who just want to cheat would leave by their own once they see that their scores have been reseted and that they can't submit new ones anymore.
It would also raise the problem of double accounts, but the other options don't fare better against this issue, so...
I still think it's the best option because we do give kind of a second chance to the cheater (being able to enjoy the chat, forums and whatnot) without being too lenient and actually encourage cheating rather than dissuading it.
It would also raise the problem of double accounts, but the other options don't fare better against this issue, so...
I still think it's the best option because we do give kind of a second chance to the cheater (being able to enjoy the chat, forums and whatnot) without being too lenient and actually encourage cheating rather than dissuading it.
When I was younger, hacking an online video game was something that crossed my mind. I never did but I did do exploits that were border line. At this time, I now have ethics that prevent me from ever doing such a thing. My point is this game and young user base has those who haven't nailed down a sense of ethics. And concerning the cheaters, after giving them some time to think about their actions, a second chance would probably be best after the ban really informs them of the harsh consequences of cheating. But, for the osu! community at large, a permanent ban is best. You do work on the site and the game. Taking attention off of these single persons who might not learn from their ban, which as you state is highly the case, would give you more time to serve the community as a whole. Putting the needs of the many over the few, Lesser of two evils, etc.
Perm ban.
Perm ban.
Xau_old
Giving second chances is reasonable, but banning from score submit and from chat/forums should be kept linked.
Edit: @coco: Multis are meaningless when it comes to that. Lunah was plain given a second chance.
Edit: @coco: Multis are meaningless when it comes to that. Lunah was plain given a second chance.
Xau_old
Once again, please do not use this thread to plead individual cases. There are other, known ways to do that.
I go with the first option; Once a cheater, always a cheater P: The saying dose not have to go for just relationships >.> lol
permaban, unless they only did it like one time (and you know that somehow), and even then only if they seem actually sorry enough. 
i got into troubles for supporting players that are accused of cheating .
I am getting my head around the fact that not much can be done.
If some one cheats- they are the ones that are cheating to them selves so over time I am learning to just not care if some one is cheating or not.
I am getting my head around the fact that not much can be done.
If some one cheats- they are the ones that are cheating to them selves so over time I am learning to just not care if some one is cheating or not.
How about permaban + public announcement/humiliation of said cheater lol, cheater list thread!
No because the cheaters won't care. Anyone who cheats won't use an ID in which they care to have defamed. Probably a multi.YodaSnipe wrote:
How about permaban + public announcement/humiliation of said cheater lol, cheater list thread!