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Remove Flashlight and Hidden Score multiplier from taiko Mod

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Your opinion about "remove taiko Hid/FL score multiplier" ?

Yes
220
34.98%
No
228
36.25%
Remove-Flashlight only
181
28.78%
Total votes: 629
Topic Starter
dvorak_old
How do you think about topic?

First to say, we can't stop dual screen for taiko, and it is too easy to use dual screen for taiko.
(yes, I know many people are playing in legit way, but not for all sadly.)

If we do this, we need to reset all hidden/flashlight related score from taiko and no exception.
Yes, no exception and it is impossible to pull non-modded score from current submitted one.

Mod itself won't be affected, just score multiplier and score by FL / Hid is.

If you want to help translate for other language, poke me.

Added 3rd vote requested kanopu, so vote get reset.
you can re-vote now.


--- Japanese---

TaikoのFLとHidのスコア倍率消そうと思うんだけどどうしましょう?
ちなみに、FLかHidついたスコア全部消えますし例外はないのでそれも考えた上でよろしく。

実施してもmod自体は残ります。スコア倍率が1.0倍になるのと、FL/Hid使って出したスコアが消えるだけになります。

日本語でレスしてくれたら私が訳すんで。

--- Chinese---

  投票:在太鼓模式中移除Hidden和Flashlight mod的分數加乘?

  因為我們無法阻止各種雙屏哥,而大家也知道雙屏是個非常容易的「取巧」方法。因此,即使我們知道很多人背圖很辛苦,但是遺憾地,並不是大家都這麼乖。所以我們只能認真考慮自太鼓模式中移除Hidden和Flashlight mod的分數加乘。

  如果我們在太鼓模式中移除了Hidden和Flashlight mod的分數加乘,那麼就必須同時刪除所有的太鼓HD/FL相關記錄,沒有例外。否則有些分數就永遠打不掉了;而我們也無法重新計算分數。

  請各位太鼓玩家踴躍參與投票和討論。

---Korean---

태고에서 히든 모드와 플래시라이트 모드의 점수 가산점을 없애는 것에 대해서 어떻게 생각하십니까?

우선, 듀얼 스크린(주: 한 스크린은 히든/플래시라이트를 적용하고 다른 스크린은 모드를 걸지 않은 상태로 플레이하는 기법. 이렇게 하면 히든/플래시라이트 모드를 적용한 채로 사실상 보면을 다 보면서 플레이 할 수 있음.)을 사용하는 것을 막을 수가 없고, 태고에서 듀얼 스크린을 사용하는 것은 너무 쉽습니다.
(예, 많은 분들이 정상적으로 플레이하는 것은 알지만 슬프게도 모두 그렇지는 못합니다.)

만약 점수 가산이 없어지게 되면 태고 모드의 모든 히든/플래시라이트 사용 점수는 리셋됩니다. 예외는 없습니다.

히든/플래시라이트 모드 자체는 남을 것이지만, 추가 점수는 더 이상 존재하지 않을 것입니다.
-Athena-
Wow I don't think this is possible. Those who played legit will be very angry, and there are a lot who do
Dora
DS in taiko is really easy to do it, but it's unfair. ._.

HD+HR=FL
Drexel13

-A t H e N a- wrote:

Wow I don't think this is possible. Those who played legit will be very angry, and there are a lot who do
YES INDEED..!
SPOILER
I plays Taiko in Flashlight (on easy though :| )
Herschel
まじめに出した記録も消えるというのは悲しいことですが,不公平なプレイが無くなるのなら私は賛成です。
それと,他の方の意見で多かったのは"FLmodsのみ(一番被害が大きい)を消すことは出来ないのか。"というものです。
DS被害を最小限にすると言う意味ではこれもありかもしれません。
dvoさん訳お願いします。

(poor translation by dvo)

It is sad that we will lost whole legit score, but I am all for this if we can enjoy fair play after reset.

Also most common opinion of my friend is "Can we remove only FL-related(most effective)? ".
To minimize effect of DS , this is one solution.
Shiro
It is sad that we're down to having to ask such things.
asgardv
only HD+FL reset?

TaikoのFLとHidのスコア倍率消そうと思うんだけどどうしましょう?
ちなみに、FLかHidついたスコア全部消えますし例外はないのでそれも考えた上でよろしく。
この文章を見るかぎりHDとFLのmod自体を消すように見れますが
-Athena-
Hard decision seriously... Either remove te mods and piss people off in exchange for no more cheating or let the cheating continue
Remilia--_old
There's going to be more cheaters/hackers~ js.
Mithos
What is 2box or DS or whatever people are talking about?
-Athena-
Just incase anyone doesn't know yet. 2box means using two monitors to play. I think you can guess where things go from here with FL and HD specifically
nayuta_old_1
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Mithos
I get it now. I dont see why people would go through all that trouble to just get a higher score D:
KanaRin
Well, just remove the Flashlight, it's one of the best way to avoid DS players.
Hmm, for the hidden.. I think that's not really difficult to play maps with Hidden..
but anyway , HID+HR is also a FL mode, because we can see nothing in HID+HR.
not just FL, we also need to think about HID+HR.
-[ ix Ishida xi ]-
whether make FL only x 1.06 points, and make it easier (don't reduce the visible range when combo ups) is better way ?

screen-> | ( notes )[half of the screen] ///////////// |
HD+FL = | (//////////[ notes )[half of the screen] ///////////// |

and make HR+HD easier (just SV, OD up, don't reduce the visible range).

sorry for my poor english..
-Athena-
Flashlight: (THIS IS AN UNRANKED MOD DUE TO RAMPANT CHEATING) ...description
I can see the ending!
Teddy
Agree with HD+FL removing.
Onion
i agree...
Although i play FL in easy,too :(
mekadon_old
Delete HD+FL scores? ok
Delete FL scores? maybe ok for me
Delete HD scores? no
-Athena-

mekadon wrote:

Delete HD+FL scores? ok
Delete FL scores? maybe ok for me
Delete HD scores? no
Sounds good
nb714
今頃ですか?行動に移すのが遅すぎますね。
もう、こんな事しなくても別にいいと思いますけど?
Lybydose
nooooo my only Taiko score

which is now a rank 2 score, so REMOVE IT ALL YOU WANT
nayuta_old_1
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ztrot
remove nothing because then next thing you will want is it for standard and then something else removing features seems pointless imo and not worth wasting time.
blacksymbian
I don't know, I don't see a lot of random people using HD + FL in taiko nowadays.
-Athena-

blacksymbian wrote:

I don't know, I don't see a lot of random people using HD + FL in taiko nowadays.
That's because it's almost impossible unless you cheat XD
And yea I prefer if stuff was left the way it is, though if something has to be removed make it fl only and all scores with fl
Rasis
我希望CTB模式也能移除这2个模式
I hope we can remove these 2 modes from CTB too
SakuraKyoko
I disagree that idea. Many people play FL at easy,noamal..etc.
The most of my #1 is FL too.
So if deleted FL , don't delete past score or delete FL+Hidden only.
aabc271
I'll say it's better to remove the current records with both HD & FL enabled, and not allowing future submission when both HD & FL are turned on
However, it's unnecessary to clear HD only records imo
From what I know, DS players cheat by enabling those 2 mods only, or sometimes also with HR ( HD+FL(+HR) )
So removing records that have HD & FL turned on is enough to clear all DS records
After removing & banning the submission of HDFL, those DS players have to use sth like HRHD or FL only to continue cheating, which both have a same score multiplier when compared with DT
( And yes, HRHD is harder to get a high acc because of HR's effects ( OD+2 ) )
So their score could be lower than those DT or DTHR, which are not done by DS cheaters
And I think HD-only records do not have to be cleared as those DS cheaters won't use HD-only to cheat ( x 1.06 is too few )
asgardv

aabc271 wrote:

So their score could be lower than those DT or DTHR, which are not done by DS cheaters
And I think HD-only records do not have to be cleared as those DS cheaters won't use HD-only to cheat ( x 1.06 is too few )
If score multiplier change is enforced, it means past records of DT or DTHR must be deleted because of change of score.
Score multiplier change is very good idea but its influence will be too big I think.
aabc271

asgardv wrote:

aabc271 wrote:

So their score could be lower than those DT or DTHR, which are not done by DS cheaters
And I think HD-only records do not have to be cleared as those DS cheaters won't use HD-only to cheat ( x 1.06 is too few )
If score multiplier change is enforced, it means past records of DT or DTHR must be deleted because of change of score.
Score multiplier change is very good idea but its influence will be too big I think.
If we make changes to score multiplier, then the influence is too big for sure
So I think it's fine to keep the multiplier unchanged, except those with HD & FL inclusive ( or maybe all records with FL )
We can just clear those records to minimize the influence and I think this is more fair to those HD / DT players
bomber34
No because i love FL on easy diffs to much D:
What's next? Removing HT because some people troll top 40's with to many slider rolls?
Teddy

asgardv wrote:

Score multiplier change is very good idea but its influence will be too big I think.
Assent.
Changing multiplier is not a good idea.It will bring lots of problem.
The best solution is to remove those suspect suspicious records, but cost time.
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