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Rantai
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Rantai
Wow you guys take RVS to a whole new level considering the game size. Salvage would be rolling in his grave seat right now.

Anyway does anyone find bmin's 'slip in, vote and disappear' suspicious? Especially considering the timing. Bottom line is I expected at least a 'joke' justification but this one just sat as a flat rvs.
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
Oh yes I will be sparse for another day or two, don't get too angry.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
so how am I a hypocrite if it was a random vote

you have a pretty silly argument NoHItter. I guess the effort you put into making that list was nice though
NoHitter
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NoHitter
So you're justifying your votes as random?
The first one I can understand, but you clearly stated a reason for the second one.
And I don't think I felt the "This is really a random vote even if I placed a non-joke reasoning" feeling when you did that for the second one.

And if you were really "random voting", why bandwagon Mashley for your third vote?
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
NoHitter is obviously Mafia.
Chris_old
0 posts
Joined February 2008
Chris_old
they did kinda try hard on that but I can't blame them for it at the same time because it's not exactly a scum tell

they could be just hunting for a reaction at the same time though

but me stating that just ruined it's chances
Sync
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Sync

NoHItter wrote:

So you're justifying your votes as random?
The first one I can understand, but you clearly stated a reason for the second one.
And I don't think I felt the "This is really a random vote even if I placed a non-joke reasoning" feeling when you did that for the second one.

And if you were really "random voting", why bandwagon Mashley for your third vote?
The second vote for Chris was clearly a joke. Anybody could see that it was. You're either looking for a reaction (like Chris said) because we don't have much to go on or you could be an idiot. I think it's the former in this case.

The reason I voted for Mashley is because I thought foulcoon's reasoning was pretty funny. In reality, lynching Mashley over silly speculation like that would be pretty stupid (but hilarious). In that case, I guess you could say it wasn't random, but it was meaningless.

Looks like RVS is over. What now?

Also this is officially my fourth time trying to post this. My internet keeps fucking up
dkun
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dkun

Sync wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

So you're justifying your votes as random?
The first one I can understand, but you clearly stated a reason for the second one.
And I don't think I felt the "This is really a random vote even if I placed a non-joke reasoning" feeling when you did that for the second one.

And if you were really "random voting", why bandwagon Mashley for your third vote?
The second vote for Chris was clearly a joke. Anybody could see that it was. You're either looking for a reaction (like Chris said) because we don't have much to go on or you could be an idiot. I think it's the former in this case.

The reason I voted for Mashley is because I thought foulcoon's reasoning was pretty funny. In reality, lynching Mashley over silly speculation like that would be pretty stupid (but hilarious). In that case, I guess you could say it wasn't random, but it was meaningless.

Looks like RVS is over. What now?

Also this is officially my fourth time trying to post this. My internet keeps fucking up

Backfire wrote:

NoHitter is obviously Mafia.
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Unvote
Jesus NoHItter, all those votes were in RVS. Calm down. :P
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Seems rather strong for a mafia this early in a game. Maybe I should get that type of idea out of my head but I have my doubts.
dkun
osu! Alumni
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Joined August 2009
dkun
I don't even
should of done this in my post above

vote: NoHItter
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Unvote

Even though Mashley's defense may be correct, but I think we can atleast have some info by discussing what kind of music could end up mafia or town. I'm just guessing this by my role PM, but the alignment seems to get influenced heavily by it's lyrics and the atmosphere created from it.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Unvote
Good. RVS is over and we have some fairly good reactions.

Now. dkun and Backfire, can you explain why I'm "obviously" mafia.
Chris_old
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Joined February 2008
Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Unvote
Good. RVS is over and we have some fairly good reactions.

Now. dkun and Backfire, can you explain why I'm "obviously" mafia.
I had predetermined if you used that excuse after I said it I would vote for you

unvote vote nohitter
bmin11
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bmin11
and I was about to ask them why you think NoHItter is obviously mafia, but carry on. I'm interested.
Sync
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Sync

NoHItter wrote:

Unvote
Good. RVS is over and we have some fairly good reactions.

Now. dkun and Backfire, can you explain why I'm "obviously" mafia.
That's pretty scummy of you
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Now we have 3 people who basically just say I'm scummy without even giving their reason.

@Chris:
Sure I am scummy.
You were the one who said upfront and ruined my initial reason anyway.
Sync
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Sync
It was obvious.

"You guys aren't telling my WHY I'm scummy. Nice. Oh, I am scummy, by the way."

lol

Vote: NoHItter
Sync
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Sync
I'm not really sure if a mafia would ever admit to being scummy like that, but maybe he's just trying to fool us
Chris_old
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Chris_old
zzz sync stop making me want to vote for you again
Chris_old
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Chris_old
also I think nohitter wants a second chance at winning as mafia against rantai
Sync
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Sync

Chris wrote:

zzz sync stop making me want to vote for you again
why :(
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
I like how you want us to understand your 'joke' while you don't understand NoHItter's sarcasm and votes for it
Chris_old
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Joined February 2008
Chris_old
02. Two <--- never mafia, possibly picked
03. Rantai <--- half/half, probably gave both types of songs
04. Lilac <--- never mafia, possibly picked
05. bmin11 <--- never mafia?, probably both types
06. pieguy1372 <--- never mafia, probably mafia
07. Sync <--- lynched too much, probably town
08. Backfire <--- inactive, probably town
09. Mashley <--- town cause they don't like getting lynched
10. foulcoon <--- always mafia, probably picked town
11. NoHItter <--- wants to beat rantai, mafia
12. dkun <--- mafia

I wonder how right this is
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
Should we soft claim our song genre? idk
Chris_old
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Chris_old
it wouldn't help anything considering it's impossible to prove

unless cops get song names and alignment

also it'd give some insight into what type of role you got
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
the role was something I was worried of. For me, my song doesn't really reflects my role well, but I was worried of others.
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Well I picked 70s pop so yknow
But I don't think that's going to get anywhere since scum would almost certainly lie if they had a scummy sounding genre.
And besides I think the roles were based more on lyrics than music.
Rantai
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Rantai

bmin11 wrote:

I like how you want us to understand your 'joke' while you don't understand NoHItter's sarcasm and votes for it
Where was the sarcasm? I thought it was an accusation.
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
I'm not inactive.
I'm just chilling =w=
NoHitter
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NoHitter
So the day ends in around 20 hours...

Well gambit failed.
Was planning on intentionally acting scummy then lynch one of the people who bandwagoned me without giving their reasoning, but it failed since people apparently don't post enough.

So right now, Vote: dkun
Among the three who voted me, he gave the least reasoning as to why - only parroting what Backfire said.
dkun
osu! Alumni
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dkun
least reason is still a reason
intentionally acting scummy? hell, you're probably just scum all in all
what a nice tactic you have there, too bad it's not going to work
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Tell me then dkun what's your EXACT reason for voting for me?
Also stop scumpainting me.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ya I really think you wanted to have a second go at winning as mafia because of his last game

why so vengeful nohitter
NoHitter
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NoHitter
FTR, I sent in my choices before the Unnamed Mafia ended.
Really though, scumpainting ISN'T something town should do.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Well gambit failed.
Was planning on intentionally acting scummy then lynch one of the people who bandwagoned me without giving their reasoning, but it failed since people apparently don't post enough.
that was really terrible and it makes no sense

why would you lynch vote for someone who voted for you, that's just makes you look worse

if you intentionally made yourself scummy, the reason is beyond obvious

that's like someone roleclaiming mafia and saying voting for them without posting a reason is scummy
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Modified Fong's Gambit.
That's why I said that I would vote for someone who voted for me, but gave little reasoning.
Basically someone who just wanted to hop on the bandwagon, but give no justification as to why.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
come on now nohitter even you know quoting the wiki like it's some sort of evidence is scummy
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I don't see how it's scummy...

Do you just hate how people rely on the wiki?
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
I am obviously the best townie, NoHitter. I swayed opinion against you with no reason and they did the scum painting for me.

Results of said experiment was astonishing.

The fact that i'm not lynched yet is even more surprising.

But im town js
Chris_old
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Chris_old
yeah backfire is definitely town after that post
Backfire
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Backfire
Chris is mafia.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Yes, Chris has to be mafia because he called you Town.
Backfire
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Backfire
Lilac is also Mafia.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
look at backfire trying to save nohitter

mafia
Backfire
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Backfire
:(
Well ok. But I'm pretty sure all 3 of you are mafias.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
we'll just lynch you tomorrow after nohitter
Chris_old
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Chris_old
also I'm probably gonna die tonight from being too good so make sure to watch me~
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Chris wrote:

come on now nohitter even you know quoting the wiki like it's some sort of evidence is scummy
Well you wanted me to explain my gambit and I did.
How is quoting the wiki scummy?
You just say it is, but give no justification whatsoever.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
using the wiki as evidence is just a cop out, especially when your supposed gambit wasn't even close to the page you linked

town don't have to look up bad strategies to scum hunt, but mafia do as an excuse for being bad
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Fong's Gambit = Vote yourself -> Entice scum to vote for you -> Vote for them
My Gambit (Modified Fong's) = Act scummy -> Entice people to vote for you -> Vote for the people who just "bandwagoned" without giving any reasoning/ parroted other's reasoning

How exactly are they very different?
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

how about the fact voting for yourself doesn't make you a target or look like scum

looking like scum makes you a target, and you know, look like scum

their reasoning is the fact you act like scum

how hard is that to grasp
NoHitter
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NoHitter
You have it wrong.
I knew that looking like scum would place "legitimate" voters on me with reasons and all.

BUT I was looking for those who just voted me with little/no reasoning.
Those who do that would just be looking for an "easy" lynch, so would bandwagon with little justification.
And those who do that, would get my vote.

Fong's Gambit is difficult to play since it's pretty obvious, but what I tried to do was less obvious.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I pretty much tried this gambit with rust's Kinda Experimental Mafia. It worked until Rantai was being shifty like always.

I do admit though, it is kinda stupid...
Chris_old
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Chris_old
aw rantai lurked and didn't post

mafia
Rantai
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Rantai
Sorry, flight called :P

Anyway I just landed and got home so I should get back to normal activity now.
Rantai
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Rantai

NoHItter wrote:

You have it wrong.
I knew that looking like scum would place "legitimate" voters on me with reasons and all.

BUT I was looking for those who just voted me with little/no reasoning.
Those who do that would just be looking for an "easy" lynch, so would bandwagon with little justification.
And those who do that, would get my vote.

Fong's Gambit is difficult to play since it's pretty obvious, but what I tried to do was less obvious.
The problem with that is that most people tend to just vote willy-nilly anyway especially on day 1. If my memory serves right simply saying that particular people may have a mafia role will automatically get a bandwagon started on you despite the alignment of said voters. As far as I am concerned that doesn't constitute reasoning.

So the gambit itself is full of flaws.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I don't think the gambit is a flaw because I managed to pull it off once.

I think the flaw is how and where it's used. My personal opinion though.
Rantai
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Rantai
I was referring to this particular gambit.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
that gambit sucks in any situation

it's pretty much how to suck at mafia 101
Rantai
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Rantai
I'd say it could work in other situations but not with this community and time of day.

Also where the hell is Two?

I can only see 1 RVS vote and that's it.
Wojjan
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Topic Starter
Wojjan
Wojjan-Sucks-at-Votals Votals

NoHItter - 3 - dkun, Chris, Sync
Sync - 1 - pieguy1372
Backfire - 1 - Two
dkun - 1 - NoHItter
Mashley - 2 - Lilac, foulcoon

With twelve alive, seven is a majority.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
03. Rantai
05. bmin11
08. Backfire
09. Mashley

you guys should vote
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm not confident enough on any lead right now. I'm not going to throw out a vote with the same weight as a RV.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
lynching the only person to do anything d1 is the osu way

don't you know that
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old
unvote, vote NoHItter
Rantai
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Rantai
God is this another post restriction gambit thing.

It's always that or bulletproof x.x
Backfire
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Backfire
Vote : NoHitter
Happy nowwww
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Claim: Cop
Song: Reach Out To The Truth

I was fairly confident that I wouldn't get lynched because of this claim.
Sucks though that I had to use it.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Vote dkun guys.
He should be scum following my logic.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I trust and believe you entirely

unvote vote dkun
Two_old
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Two_old
unvote, vote dkun
Chris_old
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Chris_old
anyone who doesn't switch their vote is mafia

also nohitter even though your role is easy to lie about if you're mafia which is convenient, if you don't die within the next day or so you're obviously mafia

if there is another cop scan him
Backfire
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Backfire
Unvote, Vote : dkun
c:
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Wrong Chris.
If I were really mafia, then there should be a real cop who should "counterclaim" cop.

Until someone counterclaims of anything, I should be confirmed as a cop.
If someone does counterclaim, lynch either one of us. One of us will have to be mafia.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

NoHItter wrote:

Wrong Chris.
If I were really mafia, then there should be a real cop who should "counterclaim" cop.

Until someone counterclaims of anything, I should be confirmed as a cop.
If someone does counterclaim, lynch either one of us. One of us will have to be mafia.
wrong nohitter.

there can just be no cop

which is especially likely in a 12 person game
NoHitter
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NoHitter
So basically, you're saying that if scum doesn't kill me, I'm scum?
That's faulty logic, given the fact that we may actually have a doctor who could protect me.

Scum would want to target the doctor first before killing me since the doctor would 90% protect the claimed cop. (Follow the Cop strategy)
dkun
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dkun
Claim: Even-Niight Tracker
Song: Sunday Morning - Maroon 5

ok guys
Chris_old
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Chris_old
unvote

nohitters probably gonna get lynched anyways

I don't see you being even night on here and odd night in another game, but ok
dkun
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dkun
neither do I, but I get what I get

noh is so scum wtf kind of logic is that
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Oh crap. That explains why Wojjan "balanced" my role.
dkun, can you confirm that you were once a full Tracker, then Wojjan changed it to even-night?
Wojjan did something similar to me.
dkun
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dkun
nada, even night from the start
Chris_old
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Chris_old
are you implying you are just a role cop nohitter
dkun
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dkun
but it was "edited" once, so nfi
dkun
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dkun
also itt noh trying to divert attention off the fact that he's most likely scum
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Hmm I was a Cop then Wojjan "rebalanced" my role into an Odd-Night Cop.
I claimed Cop just in case scum had a roleblocker, so they would continuously roleblock me.
If I had just claimed Odd-Night Cop from the start, they would have just roleblocked me every Odd-Night to prevent an investigation.

Ahh w/e. Looks like the investigative roles are now screwed.
Unvote
Wojjan
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Topic Starter
Wojjan
We interrupt these votals

NoHItter - 2 - dkun, Sync
dkun - 2 - Two, Backfire
Mashley - 2 - Lilac, foulcoon
Sync - 1 - pieguy1372

Chris_old
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Chris_old
vote sync

vote sync he was on earlier and didn't post
Sync
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Sync
true I've been lurking like hell mostly because I don't feel like posting

but at least I don't log in as invisible like some people :(
Chris_old
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Chris_old
you don't even have to be logged in to view these forums so it makes no difference

nice try though
Sync
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Sync
you got me

also I don't believe NoHItter's claim about Wojjan changing his role afterr it was given out
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Sync wrote:

you got me

also I don't believe NoHItter's claim about Wojjan changing his role afterr it was given out
I do because dkun said the same thing
Sync
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Sync
dkun said it was a tiny edit where as NoHItter claims it was changed from fulltime cop to odd-night cop

actually that was paraphrasing gone wrong dkun never said it was tiny

well fuck
Chris_old
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Chris_old
you edited your post in under 48 seconds when I saw you post that

seems planned
Sync
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Sync
I didn't edit
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Vote: Sync
Back to my original vote.
You also voted me with little reasoning.
Sync
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Sync
because you were scummy and then admitted to it
Chris_old
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Chris_old
yeah nohitter was terrible but so were you :(

also you haven't claimed which is surprising considering dkun and nohitter both did and got unvoted
Rantai
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Rantai
Pushing another mass claim?

Don't do it.
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Pushing another mass claim?

Don't do it.
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