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2012 Secret Santa Mafia | Game Over - Flawless Mafia Victory

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Jinxy
I'm at school so I only have 5 min to read between lessons. The earliest I can post would be in 10 hours. Today is a long day.
Dusty

Salvage wrote:

to be honest i think this is the perfect situation for mafia to lay low, and thus i'd suggest a lynch on one of those instead of Mashley who i wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that without overthinking it (not really needed but whatever)
really? the only reason I see why someone would want to know their secret santa was so they can fakeclaim after their santa dies, and that wouldn't help a townie any. so that means if Mashley was town he would have to have not thought about his suggestion at all.

if someone/Mashley does have an actual reason why you'd want to know your santa, then that's another story and I'll go along with whatever you vote for next.
Dafydd
I was surprised the game started so fast.
I just came back btw.

Sure Salvage. I just wanted an explanation from him though.

@Dusty:
Considering the 4:1 ratio (then it might mean that mafia are really too few), we have a bigger chance of lynching townies as early as now. In this case, mafia won't really have to worry that much about their fellows from being lynched. And for Mashley, I think that was a bit obvious. Well, I suspect mafia won't be really that careless to post something like that, unless they wanted to scum play themselves, or related to that (Something I realized just now). Anyway, I might be thinking too much and doing more harm than good.

I'm outta here for now.
Salvage
ok good point



do you have something to say about that plan mashley



i do think that either if we do or don't lynch mashley we have to keep in mind who did try to stay low till i posted that
Rantai
No offense to Mashley but I don't think he'd come up with something like that with the intention of gathering information for the mafia.

Bottom line I get the feeling he had good intentions but didn't think it through.
Sync
yeah, it's possible we're just overthinking it but then again we don't exactly have much to go off at this point
Salvage
what do u suggest then Rantai
pieguyn
Oh great, I was about to make a post but then I had to leave. :?

I don't think what bmin did seemed suspicious, and I think Mashley probably did suggest that without thinking about it too much, so I'm not suspicious of Mashley. Sync and bmin11 following along with that plan seems kind of suspicious, but I bet they just didn't yet realize what that plan could cause.

I'm kind of wondering where the hell Jinxy, Ivalset, and foulcoon are, though. For some reason, the way animask just voted Mashley makes me feel really weird, but that's just a gut feeling :?
bmin11
I still want Mashley to post what was his plan though. It's not like he would have suggested without a single thought, right?

My internet was about to die when Mashley posted, so I just quickly posted mine thinking it wouldn't do much harm. Well, now it put me into a possible kill target thanks to that orz
NoHitter
Re: Mashley
I have to agree that proposing a plan like seems townie to me.
Though I think he should have explained his plan before he asked the question, and asked if everyone agreed first.

Looking at his meta though, it's the first time he proposed a plan like that if I'm not mistaken.
So no idea there.
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

what do u suggest then Rantai
Honestly I'm getting nothing from anyone at the moment. Best thing to do is still to wait on Mashley.
foulcoon
Just read the thread.

I don't find bmin all that suspicious at this point, but Wojjan and Salvage seem a bit iffy to me. Might just be that they generally sound like mafia anyway.

Don't know what to think of Mashley yet.
Chris_old
dkun and Ivalset haven't posted once the entire game.

You should both let everyone know what you think about the Mashley situation.
dkun
I've been reading, rest assured. I just haven't much of anything to say, to be honest.

But to add my ten cents, as everyone else has said, we're probably just overthinking it, but it's just D1. So there really isn't anything to go on with at this point.
Mashley
The hypothetical situation I posted with that in mind was that if/when someone roleclaimed we would have another person to confirm if they were lying. Though to be honest considering that mafia and town roles were chosen similarly it wouldn't be much to go on at all. I guess Dusty is right (they can fakeclaim after their santa dies), I didn't consider that.
Mara
Okay, I'll be writing some stuff in here while I'm at work. I'm pretty busy around here.

I just realized that Sync and dkun are in this game. This makes me puke so much that the whole floor looks like shit. It also gave me a boner.

Who is this Dafydd guy? Some dude with AIDS? Damn nigga, you just went full SHAZBOT.

Dafydd wrote:

If Mashley were town, he would still be helping Mafia anyway.
Do you mean Mashley knows about helping Mafia or not? If so, why?

I got nothing else to mention at the moment, really. I like turtles.
Dafydd
I can't really suspect anything right now. To add, I don't know how Mashley pays (no meta yet).
I just thought the plan would be anti town.
In fact, it's better that the santas hide themselves as a pro town tactic especially for those who gave good roles.
Since I'll not know yet if the player I santa-d is Town or not, in case the player fakeclaims, at least I can monitor the actions.
Dafydd
Mashley plays*. Sorry about that.
Jinxy
After reading the thread, Mash's suggestion seems to be a real mistake than anything. The only other thing that caught my eye would be this:

LunaticMara wrote:

Okay, I'll be writing some stuff in here while I'm at work. I'm pretty busy around here.

I just realized that Sync and dkun are in this game. This makes me puke so much that the whole floor looks like shit. It also gave me a boner.

Who is this Dafydd guy? Some dude with AIDS? Damn nigga, you just went full SHAZBOT.

Dafydd wrote:

If Mashley were town, he would still be helping Mafia anyway.
Do you mean Mashley knows about helping Mafia or not? If so, why?

I got nothing else to mention at the moment, really. I like turtles.
I wish you'd post useful stuff already
Ivalset
I think all three of them are idiots, but I'm infinitely more suspicious of bmin/sync for throwing that information out there so quickly.
Mara

JInxyjem wrote:

I wish you'd post useful stuff already
I can't, I must suck more dicks.
Salvage
can u like drop the bullshit mara




cause i don't mind lynching you thx
Mara
Sorry, I can't hear you - the sounds of dicks are raping my ears.
Salvage
unvote, vote LunaticMara
Salvage
everyone pls
Mara
Sorry I can't see - dicks are raping my ey-

Rantai

Ivalset wrote:

I think all three of them are idiots, but I'm infinitely more suspicious of bmin/sync for throwing that information out there so quickly.
Actually this got me thinking.

Who was the second person to jump ship with the claims...

Sync. Ok.

Reading back on his posts; his blow off for the claim was about as weak as Mashley's reasoning to ask the question (aka lol). Add the time of posting (ie after someone had done so, not ninjaed afaik) and this stands out more than anyone else so far.
Salvage
are u gonna ignore me rantai



is this 2x1 mafia again omg
NoHitter
Salvage, I think it means that Rantai doesn't want to vote LunaticMara as of now.

As of now, LunaticMara is suspicious yes, because of his unwillingness to contribute, but IMO the entire Mashley and those who claimed immediately after is merits our attention more.

Should LunaticMara continue his current attitude though, then I would lynch him, but not right now.

@LunaticMara
If you are town and don't have anything productive to say, then might as well shut up rather than continue posting fluff and intentionally annoying players.

If you are mafia, then feel free to continue so.
Sync
Please explain why it was suspicious of me to answer a question

I'll give you that it can be suspicious jumping on the bandwagon like that so quickly, but oh well. It's done said and done. I can't change back time. It doesn't really matter, because that information isn't vital or game-changing (at this point).
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

are u gonna ignore me rantai
This particular part, yeah.

I'm not particularly interested in Mara atm. As far as I can tell his fluff is nothing (neither scum or town), just... fluff. If he continues like that for the rest of the day then I'll start considering that he is there solely to take up posting space (and subsequently make a judgment whether or not I want to lynch him).

I'm not in the business of voting on the whim of others unless I can see enough incentive to do so.
NoHitter
From the arguments so far, it was suspicious because:
a) You answered quickly without thinking the consequences of it.
b) The information IS vital and game-changing in regards to fakeclaims.
Mara

NoHItter wrote:

@LunaticMara
If you are town and don't have anything productive to say, then might as well shut up rather than continue posting fluff and intentionally annoying players.

If you are mafia, then feel free to continue so.
eat poop nigga : :D:D: D:D: D:D:D
Rantai

Sync wrote:

Please explain why it was suspicious of me to answer a question

I'll give you that it can be suspicious jumping on the bandwagon like that so quickly, but oh well. It's done said and done. I can't change back time. It doesn't really matter, because that information isn't vital or game-changing (at this point).
Right now the information that you provided will hang a pile of wifom on top of us on day 2.

But I'm not suspicious of that, I'm more suspicious of the second-to-reveal-because-it-probably-seems-safe-after-that-guy-did-it ordeal (as stated). Unless someone else throws something else out there, that's the only lead I can see.
Salvage
ffs guys



if we're talking about mashley being dumb suggesting that plan i don't know why u don't use the same argument to why sync and bmin responded to it.



oh and ffs again, i thought u learned not to ignore me already
Sync
You're right, I've repeated multiple times at this point that it was indeed a mistake.
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

if we're talking about mashley being dumb suggesting that plan i don't know why u don't use the same argument to why sync and bmin responded to it.
Chain of events.

Mashley asks potentially damaging question (assumed not cunning enough to pull it off as mafia) --> bmin jumps at it (possibly feigning ignorance?) but his tone is coming off sincere (whether or not that is a good gauge or not is something else) --> Sync, about 1 hour later, comes in as the second reveal but this time it is laced with possibilities. Obvious defense is basically following what bmin did, blowing it off as an oversight. The underlying problem is that he could have weighed his chances of being called out for it with the blend-in that he may receive from following such a wagon. If called out, use bmin as a co-culprit or cover (passively or intentionally)

Honestly it's a load of speculation but it's something. Just to be clear I'm not discounting bmin.

oh and ffs again, i thought u learned not to ignore me already
Mara being Mara is not enough for me to follow. No one has that sort of swing.
Salvage
oh believe me im not discounting neither bmin or sync, but it can be explained out of not paying attention and since we have them on sight we can proove it easily and u know it



about mara, how many times has been mafia and how many times of those did he act like this




i really shouldn't be explaining this to you rantai srsly.
Salvage
unless you gave mara his role and you think its a pro-town one?, its the only way i can see you defending him like that (other than you being mafia with him ofc)
Rantai
Actually I'm hardly defending him.

I'm not going to follow a vote that has weak reasoning (nor will I be convinced into it unless you have other solid reasons or a plan that involves his lynch). Also, nice try with the rolefish.

On bmin and Sync, we can't prove either one of them either way. It's 100% speculation unless you want to go into day 2 to prove it.
Salvage
oh its not a rolefish rantai i dont even care about whose role u picked neither i expect you of saying "YES YES I DID THATS WHY" .. im just telling the possibilities of you're reasoning, which now its probabbly pride of not agreeing with me



u probabbly know it won't help u unless ur mafia tho ^__^.
Rantai
I like to think of it as sticking to my convictions.

I do admit my scum hunting is mediocre though but I'll never learn by following blindly, without reason.
Salvage
you're not, the reason is me being awesome
Wojjan
unvote, vote: Dusty
Wojjan
also consider my vote in spirit on Mara if we get to lynching him because if he's not gonna play we might as ewll lynch him.
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

you're not, the reason is me being awesome
Could be true :P

But I'll take my chances with my judgment for now.
Salvage
why dusty my love
Wojjan
I don't like him. He's tunneling Mashley like some kind of gold digger while the only argument he's bringing up why he's not voting bmin is "cultural differences" or some shit

weakest reasoning ever to bandwagon a townie and say "well he was scummy"

votes off mash btw he's HIGHLY LIKELY town.
Salvage
mkay



do you think i should vote dusty instead of mara
Dusty

Wojjan wrote:

I don't like him. He's tunneling Mashley like some kind of gold digger while the only argument he's bringing up why he's not voting bmin is "cultural differences" or some shit.
Ok, sure that's the only reason (don't elevate it to "argument" just to make it sound weaker than it already is) I brought up why I'm not voting bmin. But the only reason why people aren't voting Mashley is because they don't think he's cunning enough to try that plan as mafia, which I think is even dumber.
Wojjan
yeah you should definitely vote dusty
Salvage
unvote, vote Dusty
Mashley

Ivalset wrote:

I think all three of them are idiots, but I'm infinitely more suspicious of bmin/sync for throwing that information out there so quickly.
Oh, are we going to insults now? Well that's just lovely.

Vote Dusty
bmin11
I hope I can summarize it in one post

1. I'm not mafia

2. Yes, that was a mistake.

3. When I saw Mashley's post, I only had 2~3 minutes before the internet shuts down. I didn't think it through and just went on with my business.

4. I don't get why an apology was a scum tell. I knew it was bad and I agreed I shouldn't have followed. I could have taken the Luna way, but I don't think that ended well (even though the mafia was the one to push the lynch, but half of the town agreed with the lynch at the end).
Chris_old
Wojjan pushing for another lynch with bad reasoning

step your game up

unvote vote wojjan
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count
Dusty (3): Wojjan, Salvage, Mashley
Mashley (2): animask, Dusty
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
Wojjan (1): Chris
Sync
Mashley, why are you voting for Dusty?
Wojjan

Chris wrote:

Wojjan pushing for another lynch with bad reasoning

step your game up

unvote vote wojjan
yeah you got me I'm scum gg
Mashley

Sync wrote:

Mashley, why are you voting for Dusty?
Because I agree that, based on his posts up until now he is a suitable lynch at this point. You know, the same reason you usually vote for someone.
Sync
Sure that makes sense, aside from the fact that you did not give any explanation as to why you do in fact agree with the lynch. I mean, if I were you, I would have known to explain myself considering the position I was in. Jumping on the bandwagon like that made me look more suspicious, so why shouldn't it you? Oh wait... It's because Salvage/Wojjan won't call you out if you agree with them. You knew it too, so that is why you voted for Dusty. I guess you at least TRIED to get the spotlight from under you... anyways, nice try

Vote: Mashley
Sync
Also, quit being a smartass. It's not very nice :(
Sync
wow my grammar is pretty fucking horrible in that post

too tired to care right now though
Chris_old
unvote vote mashley


unvote
Mashley

Sync wrote:

Sure that makes sense, aside from the fact that you did not give any explanation as to why you do in fact agree with the lynch. I mean, if I were you, I would have known to explain myself considering the position I was in. Jumping on the bandwagon like that made me look more suspicious, so why shouldn't it you? Oh wait... It's because Salvage/Wojjan won't call you out if you agree with them. You knew it too, so that is why you voted for Dusty. I guess you at least TRIED to get the spotlight from under you... anyways, nice try

Vote: Mashley
zzzz good morning Sync
Sync
:( but I'm about to sleep
Rantai
Fair point on Dusty actually.

I'd like to hear more from him though.
Sync
me too
Dusty
Ok so i'm a vigilante. (un)luckily for me that confirms jack shit since for all you guys know there are maf vigs, and also makes my role totally useless since NK'd vigs can't shoot anyone. yay

In all honesty that does by itself make me the best lynch target...
Rantai
Can you day shot? Or are you just a night vig?
Dusty
One shot night vig. If the description on the role list my giftee had is the same as my vig role, I don't even have guaranteed 100% accuracy...
Dusty
Ebwop: that spoiler shouldn't be there but I'm typing on my phone
Mara

Rantai wrote:

Mara being Mara is not enough for me to follow. No one has that sort of swing.
This man understands my weak feelings. This is why I will not vote Rantai for this entire year.

<3
Chris_old
I'm assuming Dusty is telling the truth about being a Vigilante, just for the simple fact that a progressively more inaccurate Vigilante based on how many were in the game was in my list of roles to pick from.

The thing is, it didn't say anything about it being a night only role. That's what struck me as odd.

I'm sure there is more than one Vigilante because he said it would be less accurate, and I assume Two wouldn't put that there if he was the only one.

It's possible though less likely that Dusty + the person who gave him the role are both Mafia, allowing him to fakeclaim and the other person to back it up if need be.
Chris_old
There's only 22 hours left in the day, so everyone needs to weigh in and vote before it's over.
Salvage
unvote
Chris_old
I'd want to lynch..

animask
dkun
Ivalset
foulcoon
pieguy

They all only have one post.
Rantai
I think I'll believe Dusty for now.

Leaving me with Sync again.
Topic Starter
Two_old
Vote Count
Mashley (3): animask, Dusty, Sync
Dusty (2): Wojjan, Mashley
LunaticMara (1): Lilac

Post Count
Salvage: 30
bmin11: 19
Sync: 18
Wojjan: 18
Chris: 13
Rantai: 13
NoHItter: 8
LunaticMara: 8
Dusty: 6
Mashley: 6
JInxyjem: 5
Dafydd: 4
Lilac: 3
animask: 2
dkun: 1
foulcoon:1
pieguy1372: 1
Ivalset: 1

Time left until Night 1: 21 hours
Chris_old
What do you think about getting Dusty to shoot one of the one posters tonight?

SPOILER
that was impressive Two thx
Rantai
I don't see a problem with that I guess.

Chances are one of them is mafia-lurking.
Wojjan
no I still want Dusty lynched
if he's not 100% accurate that means there's another vig in play here
so we're not losing a lot by lynching him, and keeping a potential maf around who has a second kill is just, uh
uh
Chris_old
What is the reason for the Dusty lynch exactly?

.. because he voted for Mashley and defended bmin? Please tell me I am missing something.
Wojjan
because he'd bandwagon on anything including the worst lynch ever: MAshley. and defends bmin for the shittiest reason ever.
Wojjan
so yeah p much that
Dafydd
Now I don't know what to believe.
Might as well wait for more answers though. :/
Wojjan
srsly just do an iso and say you're not reading "let's lynch whatever as long as it's not my scum team"
also two or three votes -> claim on D1 always sounds dumb. Especially with the systemwe put in place.
Chris_old
I'd much rather have Dusty shoot an inactive, and possibly lynch him tomorrow if the kill doesn't go through or if there is no information.
Wojjan
how about we ask the second vig to shoot an inactive
if an inactive dies the vig did well and that doesn't mean anything, worst case.
if they didn't die the vig was roleblocked or a maf extrakill who didn't want to off his teammate.

Case A: whoever was given roleblocker is scum. Two townies dead, Dusty and the NK. Case B: maf are idiots and we have two outed scum. Two townies dead, Dusty and NK.

If the inactive does die then you got what you wanted and I got what I wanted.
Chris_old
@MOD - Assuming there are multiple vigilantes, if a vigilante dies without having used a bullet, will the other vigilante(s) have an improved accuracy chance?
Jinxy

Wojjan wrote:

how about we ask the second vig to shoot an inactive
if an inactive dies the vig did well and that doesn't mean anything, worst case.
if they didn't die the vig was roleblocked or a maf extrakill who didn't want to off his teammate.

Case A: whoever was given roleblocker is scum. Two townies dead, Dusty and the NK. Case B: maf are idiots and we have two outed scum. Two townies dead, Dusty and NK.

If the inactive does die then you got what you wanted and I got what I wanted.
The only flaw I see in your plan is that the 2nd vig doesn't have a 100% chance either. That could be another reason as to why the inactive didn't die, unless:

Chris wrote:

@MOD - Assuming there are multiple vigilantes, if a vigilante dies without having used a bullet, will the other vigilante(s) have an improved accuracy chance?
Two's reply to this is "Yes", in which case I think the plan would work well.
Topic Starter
Two_old
sure
Jinxy
...Well then. Then it's a good plan to me. If Dusty is scum then yay, if not, then the other vigs can hit better. If they don't hit someone tonight, then they are scum too along with the inactive etc etc.

Vote: Dusty
Chris_old

Two wrote:

sure
Fair enough then Wojjan.

Vote: Dusty

To whoever the other Vigilante is, please shoot one of the inactives.
Rantai
Alright that plan sounds reasonable enough.

Vote: Dusty
Salvage
ok, i didn't fully get it to be honest but well im a bit retarded



vote: Dusty
Dafydd
Anyway guys, we can still assume that there might be 3 or 4 more vigilantes, I won't expect from them much at this time though.
vote Dusty
To add: so how about Sync? I think we overlooked this just because of Dusty's roleclaim. In fact, they both pressed Mashley hard.
Salvage
what the hell is this guy talking about
Dafydd
Nevermind.
Mashley
Man vig is such a convenient scum claim. No kill? WHOOPS MUST HAVE MISSED.
Sync

Rantai wrote:

I think I'll believe Dusty for now.

Leaving me with Sync again.
:( you're always against me :((((


Dafydd wrote:

To add: so how about Sync? I think we overlooked this just because of Dusty's roleclaim. In fact, they both pressed Mashley hard.
What exactly did we overlook? The only reason I voted for him is because I didn't like the way he voted without giving a reason which seemed like it was a convenient way to jump on the bandwagon and get the spotlight off of him. That's done for now I guess... I suppose we always have day 2 to see what happens...

Anyways, Dusty claiming as a vig is, as stated previously, convenient for him.

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