I'm assuming mafia would ask each other what role they picked for who. The town could do the same, but its more useful information for the mafia this early in the game.
Vote: Mashley
Vote: Mashley
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Vote: Mara.
Most suspicious out of the people who haven't said anything, meta.
Most suspicious out of the people who haven't said anything, meta.
How is it useful information for mafia? If they wanted to know what roles they picked for people, would they not discuss that in their mafia chat?animask wrote:
I'm assuming mafia would ask each other what role they picked for who. The town could do the same, but its more useful information for the mafia this early in the game.
Vote: Mashley
What's to stop them from trying to get more roles or at least claims of any kind?Mashley wrote:
How is it useful information for mafia? If they wanted to know what roles they picked for people, would they not discuss that in their mafia chat?animask wrote:
I'm assuming mafia would ask each other what role they picked for who. The town could do the same, but its more useful information for the mafia this early in the game.
Vote: Mashley
I think the problem with Mashley we're getting is that it puts us at a disadvantage because mafia would claim the person AND the role they chose in their chat, giving them potential NKs already. Asking that question you said before was detrimental beyond believe to town because it brings more users to the table and how they would link roles to what people might give them and so on.
Those who even answered that so easily are pretty suspicious now for putting the person they chose their role for at risk, IMO.
Those who even answered that so easily are pretty suspicious now for putting the person they chose their role for at risk, IMO.
I'm not even going to talk. I realized how it really put me into danger if who ever I called for was mafia orz
EBW--- whatever-it-is: I'm not even going to talk about it*
Lilac wrote:
Vote: Mara.
Most suspicious out of the people who haven't said anything, meta.
sorry bro
I forgot this game already. I'm fucking tired, so I'll check this at work - if I can, that is.
just saying fast like a shazbot - sync why going so hard
ok im back home
for the record sync, 'that was a joke' playstyle doesnt work with me, either if it was or it wasn't everything counts so try to be reasonable when u play thx.
for the record sync, 'that was a joke' playstyle doesnt work with me, either if it was or it wasn't everything counts so try to be reasonable when u play thx.
I like this lynch. not gonna vote quite yet though until we hear from everyone in the game
I have nothing else to say, but an apology. I can't believe I just made myself a lynch/kill target like that orz
fineSalvage wrote:
ok im back home
for the record sync, 'that was a joke' playstyle doesnt work with me, either if it was or it wasn't everything counts so try to be reasonable when u play thx.
How is bmin any more suspicious than Sync or Mashley?
It's odd that one person got pinpointed out of a possible three, and then even weirder that it wasn't argued against.
Why start agreeing on a lynch based on someone answering a question?
It's odd that one person got pinpointed out of a possible three, and then even weirder that it wasn't argued against.
Why start agreeing on a lynch based on someone answering a question?
They are lynching on our failed logic if I understood correctly, since that itself wouldn't change as a fact.
An only argument I can think of against the lynch against me, is that failed logic doesn't necessarily mean scum tell. This can happen to either alignments. The only problem is, if the logic was intended or not. Mine wasn't and it's their choice to believe in me or not.
An only argument I can think of against the lynch against me, is that failed logic doesn't necessarily mean scum tell. This can happen to either alignments. The only problem is, if the logic was intended or not. Mine wasn't and it's their choice to believe in me or not.
Sync is WIFOM-ish, which I believe that's why they are not as aggressive to lynch for.
Mash and mine are the same level as a reason (provoking disbeneficial tactic). Any farther reasons would just depend on rather people believe it was just solely a mistake, or an intended action in objective to fish information out of townies.
Mash and mine are the same level as a reason (provoking disbeneficial tactic). Any farther reasons would just depend on rather people believe it was just solely a mistake, or an intended action in objective to fish information out of townies.
You'd think the person who actually asked the question would be more of a lynch target than the ones who answered it.
.. or at very least question the other two people as well.
.. or at very least question the other two people as well.
I don't know what they are thinking of Mashley, but I'm taking as they don't believe in me (I have nothing to say on this) for the least.
I just can't see you being a justifiable lynch just for answering a question, that seems backwards to me.
ofcourse, it would be nice if you guys can explain it to us. If you guys don't have a clear answer on this, I'll take you guys as a lyncher, or a mafia looking for a quick lynch, or a townie who just doesn't care who gets lynch over who.
i dont even understand how ur playstyle is based on defending people all the time chris, mashley and sync are suspicious because of the same, the thing that stands out its his poor reaction
his = bmin?
Compared to "I was jk lol"? that Sync tried to pull?Salvage wrote:
i dont even understand how ur playstyle is based on defending people all the time chris, mashley and sync are suspicious because of the same, the thing that stands out its his poor reaction
.. and Mashley just saying "it's not useful for mafia cause they have mafia chat".
At least bmin admitted it was a bad idea, but for some reason admitting fault puts him up for a lynch.
I guess you should of said "jk lol" bmin, maybe people wouldn't be agreeing with your lynch this soon.
I voted for salvage because he always complains about rvs and I thought I would humor myself and then I unvoted him
how could I possibly make it more clear that I was dicking around
I think bmin reacted strangely (so apologetic) but he's not suspicious at all
how could I possibly make it more clear that I was dicking around
I think bmin reacted strangely (so apologetic) but he's not suspicious at all
It was either defend it or forfeit the tactic situation. I have no reason to farther impose on the tactic even myself disagree with.
I didn't really expect town to just agree with Salvage and Wojjan for this lynch. Like, atleast there would be few discussions in between and I thought I would just participate on it. Who knows? People may think I'm not the best lynch target by the end of the discussion. If any town thinks they should just lynch a person without showing a single doubt, that person would be the scummiest person I can think of.
I didn't really expect town to just agree with Salvage and Wojjan for this lynch. Like, atleast there would be few discussions in between and I thought I would just participate on it. Who knows? People may think I'm not the best lynch target by the end of the discussion. If any town thinks they should just lynch a person without showing a single doubt, that person would be the scummiest person I can think of.
that paranoid reaction to a simple vote is what im talking about
..............you mean the opposite.
Fuck, if I would have taken 2 seconds to think about that question I wouldn't of answered it "It might be useful for later in the game" is a lame excuse. I can't believe we (some of us) fell for it
I'm thinking too much of it, but it's pretty suspicious besides the fact.
I'm thinking too much of it, but it's pretty suspicious besides the fact.
also im going on vacations for like 4 days on thursday comming back on monday just throwing that out there
sure let's Vote: Mashley
I read bmin's posts as just showing Korean cultural differences (saying "sorry" all the time and stuff), not scumminessSalvage wrote:
that paranoid reaction to a simple vote is what im talking about
Never thought of that way, but I guess you can take it that way. I don't see how apologizing could ever turn bad. Never had an experience like that before so ya >_>
I would be more comfortable lynching Sync for showing a bit of over reacting and such, but meta on the restaurant mafia calls the opposite hmm.
@Mashley
What was your plan for suggesting us to claim our subjects? I want to hear your thoughts.
I would be more comfortable lynching Sync for showing a bit of over reacting and such, but meta on the restaurant mafia calls the opposite hmm.
@Mashley
What was your plan for suggesting us to claim our subjects? I want to hear your thoughts.
oh and unvote
If Mashley were town, he would still be helping Mafia anyway.
If he wanna save himself, he should talk asap.
If he wanna save himself, he should talk asap.
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Mashley (3): animask, Salvage, Dusty
JInxyjem (1): Chris
foulcoon (1): Wojjan
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
Mashley (3): animask, Salvage, Dusty
JInxyjem (1): Chris
foulcoon (1): Wojjan
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
to be honest i think this is the perfect situation for mafia to lay low, and thus i'd suggest a lynch on one of those instead of Mashley who i wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that without overthinking it (not really needed but whatever)
and i don't want to see who aren't posting since we suggested a Mashley lynch or since it was touched before with bmin's lynch situation too, can someone do it please
and i don't want to see who aren't posting since we suggested a Mashley lynch or since it was touched before with bmin's lynch situation too, can someone do it please
I'm at school so I only have 5 min to read between lessons. The earliest I can post would be in 10 hours. Today is a long day.
really? the only reason I see why someone would want to know their secret santa was so they can fakeclaim after their santa dies, and that wouldn't help a townie any. so that means if Mashley was town he would have to have not thought about his suggestion at all.Salvage wrote:
to be honest i think this is the perfect situation for mafia to lay low, and thus i'd suggest a lynch on one of those instead of Mashley who i wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that without overthinking it (not really needed but whatever)
if someone/Mashley does have an actual reason why you'd want to know your santa, then that's another story and I'll go along with whatever you vote for next.
I was surprised the game started so fast.
I just came back btw.
Sure Salvage. I just wanted an explanation from him though.
@Dusty:
Considering the 4:1 ratio (then it might mean that mafia are really too few), we have a bigger chance of lynching townies as early as now. In this case, mafia won't really have to worry that much about their fellows from being lynched. And for Mashley, I think that was a bit obvious. Well, I suspect mafia won't be really that careless to post something like that, unless they wanted to scum play themselves, or related to that (Something I realized just now). Anyway, I might be thinking too much and doing more harm than good.
I'm outta here for now.
I just came back btw.
Sure Salvage. I just wanted an explanation from him though.
@Dusty:
Considering the 4:1 ratio (then it might mean that mafia are really too few), we have a bigger chance of lynching townies as early as now. In this case, mafia won't really have to worry that much about their fellows from being lynched. And for Mashley, I think that was a bit obvious. Well, I suspect mafia won't be really that careless to post something like that, unless they wanted to scum play themselves, or related to that (Something I realized just now). Anyway, I might be thinking too much and doing more harm than good.
I'm outta here for now.
ok good point
do you have something to say about that plan mashley
i do think that either if we do or don't lynch mashley we have to keep in mind who did try to stay low till i posted that
do you have something to say about that plan mashley
i do think that either if we do or don't lynch mashley we have to keep in mind who did try to stay low till i posted that
No offense to Mashley but I don't think he'd come up with something like that with the intention of gathering information for the mafia.
Bottom line I get the feeling he had good intentions but didn't think it through.
Bottom line I get the feeling he had good intentions but didn't think it through.
yeah, it's possible we're just overthinking it but then again we don't exactly have much to go off at this point
Oh great, I was about to make a post but then I had to leave. 
I don't think what bmin did seemed suspicious, and I think Mashley probably did suggest that without thinking about it too much, so I'm not suspicious of Mashley. Sync and bmin11 following along with that plan seems kind of suspicious, but I bet they just didn't yet realize what that plan could cause.
I'm kind of wondering where the hell Jinxy, Ivalset, and foulcoon are, though. For some reason, the way animask just voted Mashley makes me feel really weird, but that's just a gut feeling
I don't think what bmin did seemed suspicious, and I think Mashley probably did suggest that without thinking about it too much, so I'm not suspicious of Mashley. Sync and bmin11 following along with that plan seems kind of suspicious, but I bet they just didn't yet realize what that plan could cause.
I'm kind of wondering where the hell Jinxy, Ivalset, and foulcoon are, though. For some reason, the way animask just voted Mashley makes me feel really weird, but that's just a gut feeling
I still want Mashley to post what was his plan though. It's not like he would have suggested without a single thought, right?
My internet was about to die when Mashley posted, so I just quickly posted mine thinking it wouldn't do much harm. Well, now it put me into a possible kill target thanks to that orz
My internet was about to die when Mashley posted, so I just quickly posted mine thinking it wouldn't do much harm. Well, now it put me into a possible kill target thanks to that orz
Re: Mashley
I have to agree that proposing a plan like seems townie to me.
Though I think he should have explained his plan before he asked the question, and asked if everyone agreed first.
Looking at his meta though, it's the first time he proposed a plan like that if I'm not mistaken.
So no idea there.
I have to agree that proposing a plan like seems townie to me.
Though I think he should have explained his plan before he asked the question, and asked if everyone agreed first.
Looking at his meta though, it's the first time he proposed a plan like that if I'm not mistaken.
So no idea there.
Honestly I'm getting nothing from anyone at the moment. Best thing to do is still to wait on Mashley.Salvage wrote:
what do u suggest then Rantai
Just read the thread.
I don't find bmin all that suspicious at this point, but Wojjan and Salvage seem a bit iffy to me. Might just be that they generally sound like mafia anyway.
Don't know what to think of Mashley yet.
I don't find bmin all that suspicious at this point, but Wojjan and Salvage seem a bit iffy to me. Might just be that they generally sound like mafia anyway.
Don't know what to think of Mashley yet.
dkun and Ivalset haven't posted once the entire game.
You should both let everyone know what you think about the Mashley situation.
You should both let everyone know what you think about the Mashley situation.
I've been reading, rest assured. I just haven't much of anything to say, to be honest.
But to add my ten cents, as everyone else has said, we're probably just overthinking it, but it's just D1. So there really isn't anything to go on with at this point.
But to add my ten cents, as everyone else has said, we're probably just overthinking it, but it's just D1. So there really isn't anything to go on with at this point.
The hypothetical situation I posted with that in mind was that if/when someone roleclaimed we would have another person to confirm if they were lying. Though to be honest considering that mafia and town roles were chosen similarly it wouldn't be much to go on at all. I guess Dusty is right (they can fakeclaim after their santa dies), I didn't consider that.
Okay, I'll be writing some stuff in here while I'm at work. I'm pretty busy around here.
I just realized that Sync and dkun are in this game. This makes me puke so much that the whole floor looks like shit. It also gave me a boner.
Who is this Dafydd guy? Some dude with AIDS? Damn nigga, you just went full SHAZBOT.
I got nothing else to mention at the moment, really. I like turtles.
I just realized that Sync and dkun are in this game. This makes me puke so much that the whole floor looks like shit. It also gave me a boner.
Who is this Dafydd guy? Some dude with AIDS? Damn nigga, you just went full SHAZBOT.
Do you mean Mashley knows about helping Mafia or not? If so, why?Dafydd wrote:
If Mashley were town, he would still be helping Mafia anyway.
I got nothing else to mention at the moment, really. I like turtles.
I can't really suspect anything right now. To add, I don't know how Mashley pays (no meta yet).
I just thought the plan would be anti town.
In fact, it's better that the santas hide themselves as a pro town tactic especially for those who gave good roles.
Since I'll not know yet if the player I santa-d is Town or not, in case the player fakeclaims, at least I can monitor the actions.
I just thought the plan would be anti town.
In fact, it's better that the santas hide themselves as a pro town tactic especially for those who gave good roles.
Since I'll not know yet if the player I santa-d is Town or not, in case the player fakeclaims, at least I can monitor the actions.
After reading the thread, Mash's suggestion seems to be a real mistake than anything. The only other thing that caught my eye would be this:
I wish you'd post useful stuff alreadyLunaticMara wrote:
Okay, I'll be writing some stuff in here while I'm at work. I'm pretty busy around here.
I just realized that Sync and dkun are in this game. This makes me puke so much that the whole floor looks like shit. It also gave me a boner.
Who is this Dafydd guy? Some dude with AIDS? Damn nigga, you just went full SHAZBOT.Do you mean Mashley knows about helping Mafia or not? If so, why?Dafydd wrote:
If Mashley were town, he would still be helping Mafia anyway.
I got nothing else to mention at the moment, really. I like turtles.
I think all three of them are idiots, but I'm infinitely more suspicious of bmin/sync for throwing that information out there so quickly.
I can't, I must suck more dicks.JInxyjem wrote:
I wish you'd post useful stuff already
can u like drop the bullshit mara
cause i don't mind lynching you thx
cause i don't mind lynching you thx
Sorry, I can't hear you - the sounds of dicks are raping my ears.
Sorry I can't see - dicks are raping my ey-
Actually this got me thinking.Ivalset wrote:
I think all three of them are idiots, but I'm infinitely more suspicious of bmin/sync for throwing that information out there so quickly.
Who was the second person to jump ship with the claims...
Sync. Ok.
Reading back on his posts; his blow off for the claim was about as weak as Mashley's reasoning to ask the question (aka lol). Add the time of posting (ie after someone had done so, not ninjaed afaik) and this stands out more than anyone else so far.
are u gonna ignore me rantai
is this 2x1 mafia again omg
is this 2x1 mafia again omg
Salvage, I think it means that Rantai doesn't want to vote LunaticMara as of now.
As of now, LunaticMara is suspicious yes, because of his unwillingness to contribute, but IMO the entire Mashley and those who claimed immediately after is merits our attention more.
Should LunaticMara continue his current attitude though, then I would lynch him, but not right now.
@LunaticMara
If you are town and don't have anything productive to say, then might as well shut up rather than continue posting fluff and intentionally annoying players.
If you are mafia, then feel free to continue so.
As of now, LunaticMara is suspicious yes, because of his unwillingness to contribute, but IMO the entire Mashley and those who claimed immediately after is merits our attention more.
Should LunaticMara continue his current attitude though, then I would lynch him, but not right now.
@LunaticMara
If you are town and don't have anything productive to say, then might as well shut up rather than continue posting fluff and intentionally annoying players.
If you are mafia, then feel free to continue so.
Please explain why it was suspicious of me to answer a question
I'll give you that it can be suspicious jumping on the bandwagon like that so quickly, but oh well. It's done said and done. I can't change back time. It doesn't really matter, because that information isn't vital or game-changing (at this point).
I'll give you that it can be suspicious jumping on the bandwagon like that so quickly, but oh well. It's done said and done. I can't change back time. It doesn't really matter, because that information isn't vital or game-changing (at this point).
This particular part, yeah.Salvage wrote:
are u gonna ignore me rantai
I'm not particularly interested in Mara atm. As far as I can tell his fluff is nothing (neither scum or town), just... fluff. If he continues like that for the rest of the day then I'll start considering that he is there solely to take up posting space (and subsequently make a judgment whether or not I want to lynch him).
I'm not in the business of voting on the whim of others unless I can see enough incentive to do so.
From the arguments so far, it was suspicious because:
a) You answered quickly without thinking the consequences of it.
b) The information IS vital and game-changing in regards to fakeclaims.
a) You answered quickly without thinking the consequences of it.
b) The information IS vital and game-changing in regards to fakeclaims.
eat poop nigga :NoHItter wrote:
@LunaticMara
If you are town and don't have anything productive to say, then might as well shut up rather than continue posting fluff and intentionally annoying players.
If you are mafia, then feel free to continue so.
:D: D:D: D:D:DRight now the information that you provided will hang a pile of wifom on top of us on day 2.Sync wrote:
Please explain why it was suspicious of me to answer a question
I'll give you that it can be suspicious jumping on the bandwagon like that so quickly, but oh well. It's done said and done. I can't change back time. It doesn't really matter, because that information isn't vital or game-changing (at this point).
But I'm not suspicious of that, I'm more suspicious of the second-to-reveal-because-it-probably-seems-safe-after-that-guy-did-it ordeal (as stated). Unless someone else throws something else out there, that's the only lead I can see.
ffs guys
if we're talking about mashley being dumb suggesting that plan i don't know why u don't use the same argument to why sync and bmin responded to it.
oh and ffs again, i thought u learned not to ignore me already
if we're talking about mashley being dumb suggesting that plan i don't know why u don't use the same argument to why sync and bmin responded to it.
oh and ffs again, i thought u learned not to ignore me already
You're right, I've repeated multiple times at this point that it was indeed a mistake.
Chain of events.Salvage wrote:
if we're talking about mashley being dumb suggesting that plan i don't know why u don't use the same argument to why sync and bmin responded to it.
Mashley asks potentially damaging question (assumed not cunning enough to pull it off as mafia) --> bmin jumps at it (possibly feigning ignorance?) but his tone is coming off sincere (whether or not that is a good gauge or not is something else) --> Sync, about 1 hour later, comes in as the second reveal but this time it is laced with possibilities. Obvious defense is basically following what bmin did, blowing it off as an oversight. The underlying problem is that he could have weighed his chances of being called out for it with the blend-in that he may receive from following such a wagon. If called out, use bmin as a co-culprit or cover (passively or intentionally)
Honestly it's a load of speculation but it's something. Just to be clear I'm not discounting bmin.
oh and ffs again, i thought u learned not to ignore me alreadyMara being Mara is not enough for me to follow. No one has that sort of swing.
oh believe me im not discounting neither bmin or sync, but it can be explained out of not paying attention and since we have them on sight we can proove it easily and u know it
about mara, how many times has been mafia and how many times of those did he act like this
i really shouldn't be explaining this to you rantai srsly.
about mara, how many times has been mafia and how many times of those did he act like this
i really shouldn't be explaining this to you rantai srsly.
unless you gave mara his role and you think its a pro-town one?, its the only way i can see you defending him like that (other than you being mafia with him ofc)
Actually I'm hardly defending him.
I'm not going to follow a vote that has weak reasoning (nor will I be convinced into it unless you have other solid reasons or a plan that involves his lynch). Also, nice try with the rolefish.
On bmin and Sync, we can't prove either one of them either way. It's 100% speculation unless you want to go into day 2 to prove it.
I'm not going to follow a vote that has weak reasoning (nor will I be convinced into it unless you have other solid reasons or a plan that involves his lynch). Also, nice try with the rolefish.
On bmin and Sync, we can't prove either one of them either way. It's 100% speculation unless you want to go into day 2 to prove it.
oh its not a rolefish rantai i dont even care about whose role u picked neither i expect you of saying "YES YES I DID THATS WHY" .. im just telling the possibilities of you're reasoning, which now its probabbly pride of not agreeing with me
u probabbly know it won't help u unless ur mafia tho ^__^.
u probabbly know it won't help u unless ur mafia tho ^__^.
I like to think of it as sticking to my convictions.
I do admit my scum hunting is mediocre though but I'll never learn by following blindly, without reason.
I do admit my scum hunting is mediocre though but I'll never learn by following blindly, without reason.
also consider my vote in spirit on Mara if we get to lynching him because if he's not gonna play we might as ewll lynch him.
Could be trueSalvage wrote:
you're not, the reason is me being awesome
But I'll take my chances with my judgment for now.
I don't like him. He's tunneling Mashley like some kind of gold digger while the only argument he's bringing up why he's not voting bmin is "cultural differences" or some shit
weakest reasoning ever to bandwagon a townie and say "well he was scummy"
votes off mash btw he's HIGHLY LIKELY town.
weakest reasoning ever to bandwagon a townie and say "well he was scummy"
votes off mash btw he's HIGHLY LIKELY town.
Ok, sure that's the only reason (don't elevate it to "argument" just to make it sound weaker than it already is) I brought up why I'm not voting bmin. But the only reason why people aren't voting Mashley is because they don't think he's cunning enough to try that plan as mafia, which I think is even dumber.Wojjan wrote:
I don't like him. He's tunneling Mashley like some kind of gold digger while the only argument he's bringing up why he's not voting bmin is "cultural differences" or some shit.
Oh, are we going to insults now? Well that's just lovely.Ivalset wrote:
I think all three of them are idiots, but I'm infinitely more suspicious of bmin/sync for throwing that information out there so quickly.
Vote Dusty
I hope I can summarize it in one post
1. I'm not mafia
2. Yes, that was a mistake.
3. When I saw Mashley's post, I only had 2~3 minutes before the internet shuts down. I didn't think it through and just went on with my business.
4. I don't get why an apology was a scum tell. I knew it was bad and I agreed I shouldn't have followed. I could have taken the Luna way, but I don't think that ended well (even though the mafia was the one to push the lynch, but half of the town agreed with the lynch at the end).
1. I'm not mafia
2. Yes, that was a mistake.
3. When I saw Mashley's post, I only had 2~3 minutes before the internet shuts down. I didn't think it through and just went on with my business.
4. I don't get why an apology was a scum tell. I knew it was bad and I agreed I shouldn't have followed. I could have taken the Luna way, but I don't think that ended well (even though the mafia was the one to push the lynch, but half of the town agreed with the lynch at the end).
Wojjan pushing for another lynch with bad reasoning
step your game up
unvote vote wojjan
step your game up
unvote vote wojjan
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Dusty (3): Wojjan, Salvage, Mashley
Mashley (2): animask, Dusty
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
Wojjan (1): Chris
Dusty (3): Wojjan, Salvage, Mashley
Mashley (2): animask, Dusty
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
Wojjan (1): Chris
Mashley, why are you voting for Dusty?
yeah you got me I'm scum ggChris wrote:
Wojjan pushing for another lynch with bad reasoning
step your game up
unvote vote wojjan
Because I agree that, based on his posts up until now he is a suitable lynch at this point. You know, the same reason you usually vote for someone.Sync wrote:
Mashley, why are you voting for Dusty?
Sure that makes sense, aside from the fact that you did not give any explanation as to why you do in fact agree with the lynch. I mean, if I were you, I would have known to explain myself considering the position I was in. Jumping on the bandwagon like that made me look more suspicious, so why shouldn't it you? Oh wait... It's because Salvage/Wojjan won't call you out if you agree with them. You knew it too, so that is why you voted for Dusty. I guess you at least TRIED to get the spotlight from under you... anyways, nice try
Vote: Mashley
Vote: Mashley
Also, quit being a smartass. It's not very nice
wow my grammar is pretty fucking horrible in that post
too tired to care right now though
too tired to care right now though