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NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter

Wojjan wrote:

Or maybe you should look farther than the wiki page on bulletproofs and realise that salvage could be faking BP to stay alive to use his vigshot when he has more info.
Then why did he claim vig this early? If he hadn't claimed to be vig then he need not "fake BP to stay alive". The only way he would die was if Mafia targeted him, which is only a 1/11 to 1/12 chance depending on possible mafia numbers. (I think 3 - 4 mafia seems most probable)

Wojjan wrote:

Or he could be claiming to make it look as if he's faking, so the mafia would call his bluff and waste their kill anyway, and then town will have even more reason to believe that the bp claim is legit.
But claiming vig by itself makes one a prime killing target. If he were really BP then claiming it would be a waste of an opportunity to get a no kill. What his claim just did was make mafia possibly think twice of targeting him.

Basically claiming vig alone was a good tactic, but claiming vig and BP is a questionable tactic.
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE

palion wrote:

vote: tbte

palion wrote:

i want to hear tbte's reaction :(
O watdafuk. I thought you loved me, where is the love?

Also Answers to these questions

RQS:
1) What is your preferred alignment?
2) What role would you want to get in a game?
3) Would you lynch lurkers?
4) Would you use meta as a tool for scumhunting?
5) How often do you plan on posting? (Please set a quantifiable date... not just "when I have something to say")

1) Town ofc
2) A Basic Townie
3) Hm, that means i would have to lynch myself on most of the games i play so i guess not, unless it was a live or die situation
4) Um. Depends on the situation, i don't really know what this means.
5) Once every day.
Sync
osu! Alumni
1,575 posts
Joined April 2011
Sync
Unvote: TBTE

Don't want to actually have you be lynched lol
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage

NoHItter wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Or maybe you should look farther than the wiki page on bulletproofs and realise that salvage could be faking BP to stay alive to use his vigshot when he has more info.
Then why did he claim vig this early? If he hadn't claimed to be vig then he need not "fake BP to stay alive". The only way he would die was if Mafia targeted him, which is only a 1/11 to 1/12 chance depending on possible mafia numbers. (I think 3 - 4 mafia seems most probable)

Wojjan wrote:

Or he could be claiming to make it look as if he's faking, so the mafia would call his bluff and waste their kill anyway, and then town will have even more reason to believe that the bp claim is legit.
But claiming vig by itself makes one a prime killing target. If he were really BP then claiming it would be a waste of an opportunity to get a no kill. What his claim just did was make mafia possibly think twice of targeting him.

Basically claiming vig alone was a good tactic, but claiming vig and BP is a questionable tactic.



thank u wojjan for making my life easier.





also no, it isn't a questionable tactic, cause now you and your mafia partners will not waste a kill on me and i'll leave past d2.




is that clear enough NoHitter or do you have a strongman in there
Mianki
2,701 posts
Joined September 2008
Mianki
1) What is your preferred alignment? Town. You don't have to think so much imo.
2) What role would you want to get in a game? Something useful like a doctor.
3) Would you lynch lurkers? Yes, but not on the first day or the second.
4) Would you use meta as a tool for scumhunting? Haven't played enough games for scumhunting (Not quite sure how it's done)
5) How often do you plan on posting? (Please set a quantifiable date... not just "when I have something to say") I'll try and post 2 or more posts in a day.
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
Salvage may be telling you the truth >to an extent< but im pretty sure he's bullshitting about BP.
Pretty sure.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
or i just want you to think that to waste a kill (see how it works this way too NoHitter?) :).
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
Salvage, best mafia player of all time.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
thanks





oh and i failed at english on the other post i meant "live past d2" before some douche like DxS points it out
Mianki
2,701 posts
Joined September 2008
Mianki
Random thoughts:

- I have a gut feeling that Backfire might be mafia.
- Don't know what to think about Salvage. Seems legit.
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE
I'm going to FoS: Salvage

Because of what was said, that is confusing that you have a chance to make someone waste a kill when you are a vig makes not one bit of since.

But If we lynch you and you are telling the truth, it's redundant.

mindfk.
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
Actually, I don't blame you for thinking im mafia.
I'm claiming salvage is mafia with no discernable reason, but my reasoning, if I so disproved him, would also give me a slight disadvantage in the long run.

I don't want to waste a role claim on him, essentially.
Why?
Because mass role claims suck ass and you're just giving shit to the mafia.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync

Salvage wrote:

oh and i failed at english on the other post i meant "live past d2" before some douche like DxS points it out
lol
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
TBTE i really suggest you to read the thread more before posting, thank you.
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Wow no wonder why I fucking hate playing with you Salvage.

Okay so about TBTE let's just say I saw him say something about his role elsewhere besides this thread which leads me to believe that he's mafia for that reason alone.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
okay



unvote, vote TBTE
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
also idk what you mean on why do you hate playin with me but i said that cause you corrected me twice about my fail english so yeah.
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE

Salvage wrote:

okay



unvote, vote TBTE
so because he says something to like that you automatically vote for me?

also notice that he hasn't voted for me either Salvage so what is the point of doing that.

vote Salvage
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
you just did the point yourself thanks a lot.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
ow why you leave now ..



anyways let's vote TBTE guys, unless someone wants to add something to go on?
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE

Salvage wrote:

ow why you leave now ..



anyways let's vote TBTE guys, unless someone wants to add something to go on?
I didn't leave and i was trying to make the point that you shouldn't just vote someone just to vote for someone.

unvote
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
Salvage is like, let's not do RVS.

Does it anyway. What the hell, man?
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE
He Doesn't know what he wants apparently.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i'm not random voting lilac.



and i sure know what i want, lynch you and your partners that is.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac

Salvage wrote:

as allways, can we just skip the RVS stage please

or do you all want to confuse town with an useless stage

Salvage, three posts later. wrote:

oh okay




vote: palion
Come say that to my face again, I dare ya, Salvage.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i don't know what are you trying to say but that vote wasn't random either
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
Go justify it when all he said was... "I want to hear the reaction of TBTE." and "I want the title updated."

Misleading town? Fluff posts? Ahahaha, you need to do MUCH BETTER than that considering you're acting all dumb about it as well.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
4,850 posts
Joined May 2009
KRZY
mm, didn't realize I was in this game.

Sorry, but I would like to ask for a replacement.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
wow lilac don't try to play smart with me


the only thing that you should know is that the vote ur quoting it's not a random vote, other than that i don't really care how you see my playstyle.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac

Salvage wrote:

wow lilac don't try to play smart with me


the only thing that you should know is that the vote ur quoting it's not a random vote, other than that i don't really care how you see my playstyle.
If it's not a random vote, justify it for the third time. I'm not playing smart with you, you're playing dumb with me. I also don't care how I see your playstyle, I expect you to damn well justify your vote if you say it's not random.

I will vote for you if you don't do this in your next post.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
hi lilac
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i did it to see his reaction at it the same way he wanted to see the reaction on TBTE, i can't believe it's so hard for you to get that vote omg
DeathxShinigami
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Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Lilac's bossy. He wants what he wants and he usually ends up getting it due to his whiny meta.

Also don't play that "omg guys, why you so mean to me" tactic Lilac. I'm onto you.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
omg guys, why you so mean to me. T_T

Yeah, I'll probably expect it. I-I'm only trying to help. >w<
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

Lilac wrote:

Go justify it when all he said was... "I want to hear the reaction of TBTE." and "I want the title updated."

Misleading town? Fluff posts? Ahahaha, you need to do MUCH BETTER than that considering you're acting all dumb about it as well.
Lilac you will never be Two Chris or Salvage I suggest you stop trying before you make a fool of yourself.
Dusty
870 posts
Joined June 2009
Dusty

TBTE wrote:

also notice that he hasn't voted for me either Salvage so what is the point of doing that.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Vote: TBTE
Uh huh.

Vote: TBTE because of DxS's magical outside information
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
good boy
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
You knoe what, oh well.
Vote TBTE
palion
172 posts
Joined October 2011
palion
might as well stick with my vote :\
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE
fml.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

i did it to see his reaction at it the same way he wanted to see the reaction on TBTE, i can't believe it's so hard for you to get that vote omg
Isn't that the definition of RVS (to see the reaction of another player to a vote)? Otherwise I don't see any other reason for that stage.

Whatever. Are you able to elaborate a little more on what happened DxS?
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
no it's not, rvs is RANDOM and i stated thousands of times that my vote was not random
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
While yours wasn't 'random' it achieved almost the same result as far as I could tell. Again my perceived definition of rvs is a random vote (the minor part) to elicit a reaction from the votee (the major part, the functional part).

Going by that, yeah it was basically the same thing in my eyes.

Ie a vote (not random in this case) to elicit a reaction from the votee.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
if you judge the votes that way then scumhunting uses "random voting" all the time (being clearly a good move), while rvs it's not a good move at all, it doesn't matter if its the same thing in your eyes or not cause it ends giving more information while rvs not only gives nothing, it also missleads town.


refer to my list of cons on RVS for more info.
DeathxShinigami
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Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
What I can say is that TBTE announced to the public at some point in time about his mafia role which I believe is Mafia Leader?

Obviously you should know I'm unable to post any sort of outside proof so you should take my word. If he comes up as town though I'll take all blame for it.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
1. full of wifom
2. totally missleading on good players
3. almost allways makes bad players look really scummy and make some safe lynchs for mafia, they will eventually do it anyways but better give them a chance right?
But if both use the same basis and vote mechanism (ie random voting) what is their difference?

The only difference you pointed out is the follow up which is something separate, which admittedly most random votes blow off with a "oh it was random, leave me alone"

Right? Also;

1. Your roleclaim is full of wifom too. By that end it's the same con.

2. Miss-leading as in people might be tempted to wagon on a 'good' player? (oh so subjective)

3. Which is what your version of 'scumhunting' does. Vote on them, then sees reaction, if they are 'bad' then they'll react poorly and cave to pressure.

Hypocrisy (right word?) gets on my nerves.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

DeathxShinigami wrote:

What I can say is that TBTE announced to the public at some point in time about his mafia role which I believe is Mafia Leader?

Obviously you should know I'm unable to post any sort of outside proof so you should take my word. If he comes up as town though I'll take all blame for it.
I guess it would be grounds for a modkill, though if you didn't say anything significant back you probably could if you wanted.

But alright good enough for me right now. Vote: TBTE
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i give up on you rantai.


too lazy to do a votecount right now, anyone?
Backfire
3,208 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
Votecount
TBTE - Over 9000
Someone else - 1
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
I think only 5 for TBTE. Unless I'm wrong.
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
Okay, if TBTE flips Mafia, he should be banned from this subforum for apparently being unable to not talk about the game outside
If TBTE flips down, lynch DxS tomorrow

Vote: TBTE (L-1)
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
votecount
TBTE - 6 (DxS, palion, Salvage, Dusty, Backfire, JInxyjem)
Salvage - 2 (dkun, TBTE)
NH - 1 (Wojjan)

Oh wait L-2
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
You missed mine.
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount:

TBTE (7) - DxS, palion, Salvage, Dusty, Backfire, Rantai, JInxyjem
NoHItter (1) - Wojjan

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch. The deadline is in 90 hours
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
So we're basically lynching someone based on outside info?
Well, considering we have a lead to follow tomorrow, re:DxS then I guess it's fine to hammer now (even though deadline is 80+ hours away).
I'll vote for TBTE unless someone has anything else to say.
Mianki
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Mianki
Nothing comes to mind. I'll go with this plan tool.
Mianki
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Mianki
too*

You can't edit your posts right?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Vote: TBTE
back to hitter tomorrow though
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Vote: TBTE
Looks like no one has anything else to say.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
zzz I really need to refresh the page after leaving it open for a while.
Wojjan hammered TBTE.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I'll edit my post and unvote for you
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
I think this is stupid, but Vote: TBTE
TBTE
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TBTE
Moral of the story?

Don't fucking post until you really have too.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
If you think that, we'll just lynch you as a lurker

If you are Mafia, moral is don't talk about the game outside
If you are Town, then there's no real moral other than you are the kind of guy that i think would talk about the game outside, so fix that
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
btw now that the day is over and pieguy is not posting



i just watched dexter season finale, mindfuck .. did anyone see it? oh my god best season finale ever
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
I just watched 7 seasons of House to catch up.

So much House.
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
I didn't even know TBTE talked about mafia outside of this thing and RV'ed him.
I must be psychic.
TBTE
466 posts
Joined September 2010
TBTE
I never talked about it outside of this topic.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

Salvage wrote:

btw now that the day is over and pieguy is not posting



i just watched dexter season finale, mindfuck .. did anyone see it? oh my god best season finale ever
ssssscummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Salvage
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Salvage
backstabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
--Town Square--

Rather quickly, everyone decided that TBTE was evil. Many of them had apparently seen him before, and one person noted that they had seen information about him elsewhere. They quickly tied him up and crushed him with a tree.

It seems that TBTE really was evil. How odd that he turned up here.
TBTE - Mafia Leader - Lynched D1

It is now Night 1. The deadline is in 48 hours.

(And I still can't effing edit my posts :? If anyone can edit the first post, could you please change the title?)
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Booyah!
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync

Salvage wrote:

btw now that the day is over and pieguy is not posting



i just watched dexter season finale, mindfuck .. did anyone see it? oh my god best season finale ever
OMFG, it was so great

I wonder how it's going to start off

Perhaps they will fuck in front of the dead body?
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
omg, sorry for posting
Wojjan
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Wojjan
echo
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I'm pretty sure pieguy died
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
awrite let's roleclaim since that is the general course of action
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
Sorry everyone, I found myself without a computer the past few days :?

Anyway, everyone woke up to find another person missing. They eventually realized that it was the person who said the previous day what his role was, and that even though he was halfway lying, he halfway told the truth.

Salvage - 1-shot Vigilante - Nightkilled N1

It is now Day 2. With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. The deadline is in 96 hours.

Also, I'm waiting on a confirmation from animask
Jinxy
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Jinxy
*facepalm*
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Once I get my role PM or whatever I'm supposed to get, I'm going to sleep
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
animask replaces KRZY
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
/sigh

I knew that BP claim was too convenient for a vig.
Wojjan
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Joined August 2008
Wojjan
god fucking damnit guys
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
go town
Dusty
870 posts
Joined June 2009
Dusty

Backfire wrote:

Actually, I don't blame you for thinking im mafia.
I'm claiming salvage is mafia with no discernable reason, but my reasoning, if I so disproved him, would also give me a slight disadvantage in the long run.

I don't want to waste a role claim on him, essentially.
Why?
Because mass role claims suck ass and you're just giving shit to the mafia.
Wait, so what exactly did you mean, Backfire? This post makes even less sense now than it did when you posted it, since Salvage is town and all.
Rantai
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Rantai
Backfire was banned... you're not going to get a reply most likely.
Dusty
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Dusty
wait what? well that's great.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Vote: Backfire

Obvious reasons.
Mianki
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Joined September 2008
Mianki

Rantai wrote:

Backfire was banned
So is he in or out?
Rantai
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Rantai
Out.

Should we get a replacement?
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
I kinda lost interest in this game too
if we are going for replacements can I have one
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
OK. Let's attempt to resurrect this thread's activity.

Is there any power role claim today that may help in identifying scum?

Edit:
To rephrase: Do any of the power roles have any info that may identify scum? If so, claim.
Mianki
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Mianki
Might aswell claim.

Roleclaim : Cop

And last night I checked DeathxShinigami and I got the result that DxS is part of the mafia. So should we go with that?
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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NoHitter
Interesting. DxS was the one who gave away TBTE as Mafia.
If that's so then that would be a very early gambit.
Mafia would want to keep more members alive as possible.

It's possible that Mianki is of unknown sanity, though I kind of doubt the existence of an non-Sane cop in a "standard" game like this.

I think we should lynch DxS today, if any to determine Mianki's sanity as it's the only lead we have so far.
Doctor should be on Mianki.

Unless there are any cop counterclaims?
Dusty
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Joined June 2009
Dusty
I was thinking DxS might be a usurper, but that would be too obvious (and I also thought usurper was only a role you saw on mafiascum wiki)

Vote: DxS because of Mianki, not because of my theory

But, if he is an usurper then lol
Backfire
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Backfire
Have I been replaced yet? o-o
Aparently i'm unbanned.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Yeah, a usurper would make sense.

Also, I'm probably going to ask for replacement for all the games
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: Backfire
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh wow, welcome back ^.^

Anyway Vote: DxS at the very least we'll be able to determine his sanity.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Vote: DxS
Based on my reasoning previously.
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