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Novid/NoBG/NoSB - Cheating/Unfair behaviour?

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Is using novid or removing skin/background/storyboard elements cheating? (Should there be seperated scoreboards then?)

Yes to both novid & removing (keep one scoreboard)
4
5.26%
Yes to both novid & removing (seperate scoreboards)
2
2.63%
Yes to novid (keep one scoreboard)
1
1.32%
Yes to removing skin/background/storyboard elements (keep one scoreboard)
6
7.89%
Yes to novid (seperate scoreboards)
0
0.00%
Yes to removing skin/background/storyboard elements (seperate scoreboards)
3
3.95%
No to both novid & removing
60
78.95%
Total votes: 76
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XPJ38
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XPJ38
Ok, before this thread turn into a flamewar, here is my opinion.

Playing with SB/BG/video is fine... when you start and don't complain with it yet.
Here is a fact: some people play for the fun while some people play for the challenge (i.e. getting better and better).

If you play for the fun, BGs, SBs and videos are (indeed) part of the fun.

But when you play for the challenge, the fact is SBs and BGs are really annoying when you reach a certain level. You realize that you fail/don't FC the map because the BG IS the problem (disturbing, NSFW, too white, etc.), and not your skill. This is frustrating and unfair: you can't prove your level because of a single... background.

This is not a problem of map spirit or cheating, it's a problem of how you see the game. Forcing all people to play for the fun is a great way to kill the game for the people playing for the challenge. And I am pretty sure that there are a lot of people in this category.
Jenny
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Topic Starter
Jenny

XPJ38 wrote:

Ok, before this thread turn into a flamewar, here is my opinion.

Playing with SB/BG/video is fine... when you start and don't complain with it yet.
Here is a fact: some people play for the fun while some people play for the challenge (i.e. getting better and better).

If you play for the fun, BGs, SBs and videos are (indeed) part of the fun.

But when you play for the challenge, the fact is SBs and BGs are really annoying when you reach a certain level. You realize that you fail/don't FC the map because the BG IS the problem (disturbing, NSFW, too white, etc.), and not your skill. This is frustrating and unfair: you can't prove your level because of a single... background. - well, for me, doing it even though the video is, like you said "the problem", in fact a part of skill; so let's seperate here: there is the "map-playing-skill" and the... well kind of "managing your attention-skill", which - for me - make a good player, if they're both co-existing/working together; just running away from one part of skill is... well, you know what you could insert here, it's not my style and that's the point people won't get (enjoying vid, skin and SB while doing a good job on the map itself - that's what I'm playing osu! for, so that's my point) [+ where's the challenge if you make it yourself as easy as even possible? :P ]

This is not a problem of map spirit or cheating, it's a problem of how you see the game. Forcing all people to play for the fun is a great way to kill the game for the people playing for the challenge. And I am pretty sure that there are a lot of people in this category. - that's why i was suggesting kind of seperated scoreboards
XPJ38
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XPJ38

Broetchen8441 wrote:

that's why i was suggesting kind of seperated scoreboards
The risk is that everybody would play the "map-playing-skill", since it would be easier than the other map.
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
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OzzyOzrock
let's just not add vids, SBs, or BGs to maps
Gorlum
705 posts
Joined May 2010
Gorlum

OzzyOzrock wrote:

let's just not add vids, SBs, or BGs to maps
Agree. It's tiring to delete it.
Sekai
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Joined February 2011
Sekai

OzzyOzrock wrote:

let's just not add vids, SBs, or BGs to maps
i agree~ lol
+ change this to Feature Requests forum~
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senaya
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senaya

OzzyOzrock wrote:

let's just not add vids, SBs, or BGs to maps
no, suffer.


voted i don't care. you can play the way you want as long as it's not breaking the game.
silmarilen
5,581 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
i voted "You and your opinion suck balls" just because its the best option, not because thats what i think:P
i dont really care, i usually just the the skin/SB/BG/video/whatever in there unless its just too annoying, like the smaller cursor in little kandi raver for example.
Soaprman
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Soaprman
NoVid has a legitimate technical reason to exist... some people's PCs simply cannot play beatmaps and render a video at the same time. It's a bit redundant with the disable video option, yeah, but it's nice as a shortcut for when you want to disable videos on a per-map basis. Not all videos are created equal, and some require more processing power to run (see: high-quality FLV). It gives an advantage to players who turn off video, yes, but it is something that has to exist.

As for skin/background/storyboard... they should all be kept intact (with an exception made for storyboard elements that would require the map to carry the epilepsy warning). A mapper should be able to expect that people will play the map the way it was intended to be played. This might also pressure mappers to not use extremely busy backgrounds in their already difficult maps, which I'm all for.

That said, I don't fault anyone for deleting any of the stuff... if you're playing competitively (whether against other players or against your own high score) then you absolutely should be doing anything needed to give yourself an advantage.
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xsrsbsns
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Joined July 2010
xsrsbsns
The poll choices tell me this isn't really a serious poll.

And no, I don't think using NoFrills is cheating, especially NoVid, it's ridiculous to say that it's wrong.

If you're talking about destroying the map's essence, then that's another story.
Soaprman
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Soaprman

xsrsbsns wrote:

The poll choices tell me this isn't really a serious poll.
This too. The poll's choices are all awful. I didn't vote because none of them apply to me.
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Topic Starter
Jenny

Soaprman wrote:

xsrsbsns wrote:

The poll choices tell me this isn't really a serious poll.
This too. The poll's choices are all awful. I didn't vote because none of them apply to me.
Give me some then, was kinda pissed when adding >.<
Soaprman
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Joined January 2008
Soaprman
Is using novid or removing skin/background/storyboard elements cheating?
Yes to both
Yes to novid
Yes to removing skin/background/storyboard elements
No to both

This covers the question the thread is about. Still doesn't do justice to the variety of opinions regarding video/skin/storyboard removal in general though. That's outside the scope of a poll.
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Topic Starter
Jenny

Soaprman wrote:

Is using novid or removing skin/background/storyboard elements cheating?
Yes to both
Yes to novid
Yes to removing skin/background/storyboard elements
No to both

This covers the question the thread is about. Still doesn't do justice to the variety of opinions regarding video/skin/storyboard removal in general though. That's outside the scope of a poll.
Well now the poll is a poll and not a "everyone hates me"-emocrytrololo-thing anymore - added few choices to question of seperating scoreboards (if thinking of removing/novid as cheating).

Thanks~
Yuzeyun
7,622 posts
Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun
If we make separate scoreboards for NoVid, that would be REALLY unfair because the rankings would be screwed up. (Taiko players usually use NoVideo with SuddenDeath... Well I don't do it because it's already disabled but kanopu does)

And some computers can't handle fancy SBs like Ruru's ones (Mine struggles to do so... but it's okay.)

If I could put some hypothesis, I would about osz2 but let's not derail that thread.

I say that the player has the right to remove visual elements until he can play the game (Some BGs might be removed because of a too high luminosity.)
Wishy
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Wishy
I delete everything from every map and I think it's damn right, if you like playing blindly go for it, I don't care.
ouranhshc
2,338 posts
Joined July 2009
ouranhshc
Skins are extra

SBs are extra

Videos are extra

BGs are required, but I don't care if people remove them.
Rena-chan
Rena-chan
Yes to both, and I think removing videos/skins/storyboards should render your rankings null and void.

Why ?
You're giving yourself an advantage that doesn't come naturally by removing game elements for the sake of being able to "see things easier," thus it is cheating.

If you can't play maps the way the mapper intends them to be played, just don't play them at all.
ouranhshc
2,338 posts
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ouranhshc

Rena-chan wrote:

Yes to both, and I think removing videos/skins/storyboards should render your rankings null and void.

Why ?
You're giving yourself an advantage that doesn't come naturally by removing game elements for the sake of being able to "see things easier," thus it is cheating.

If you can't play maps the way the mapper intends them to be played, just don't play them at all.
As a mapper, are you required to add a video, SB, or custom skin?
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ouranhshc wrote:

As a mapper, are you required to add a video, SB, or custom skin?
Btw, sometimes I think we don't really give enough credits to storyboarders. Making a SB is by no means less time-consuming then making a map, but those SBs would end up getting deleted by players most of the time.
Winshley
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Winshley
I personally keep both SB and videos on every beatmap sets.

I disabled BG Video due to my crappy PC (*coughPentium4andGeForceFX5200cough*), though at least it could handle the SB.

I don't care about what people do in regards to the video, SB, and BG image, as long as the beatmap still intact. Although for people who wholeheartedly created a good SB, I find it a pity that it ended up being removed by some players for being distracting. :o
Espionage724
876 posts
Joined August 2011
Espionage724
I keep SB's, BG's, and videos on all beatmaps I have. There was 1 time where I tried black-backgrounding a beatmap in hopes to be able to read a part, but that lasted maybe 20 or so retries before I realized it didn't help, then reverted it :p

I don't really care what others do about SB's/BG's/Videos though. However, there is one beatmap that I have that has (to me) hit circles close to the same color as the part in the video they occur at, which makes reading them "slightly" harder. It's not a big deal though I guess since I can read it :p
Rena-chan
Rena-chan

ouranhshc wrote:

Rena-chan wrote:

Yes to both, and I think removing videos/skins/storyboards should render your rankings null and void.

Why ?
You're giving yourself an advantage that doesn't come naturally by removing game elements for the sake of being able to "see things easier," thus it is cheating.

If you can't play maps the way the mapper intends them to be played, just don't play them at all.[/qu

As a mapper, are you required to add a video, SB, or custom skin?
If you're going to play that card, then you should be. So let me state an example on the same level as your argument; Look at commercial rhythm games, such as DJMax, IIDX, Taiko no Tatsujin, EBA, Ouendan, you name it. They all have storyboards, videos, or some other form of animation going in the background.
ouranhshc
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ouranhshc

Rena-chan wrote:

ouranhshc wrote:

As a mapper, are you required to add a video, SB, or custom skin?
If you're going to play that card, then you should be. So let me state an example on the same level as your argument; Look at commercial rhythm games, such as DJMax, IIDX, Taiko no Tatsujin, EBA, Ouendan, you name it. They all have storyboards, videos, or some other form of animation going in the background.
you do know you can disable some of that.
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
In those games you dont play on top of the animation...
CXu
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CXu
Why is it an unfair advantage when every player can do it if he/she chooses to do so? If it makes the map harder for you, and you refuse to remove SB/skin/bg etc, then that's just you giving yourself a disadvantage.

Personally I never play with video, because my computer sucks, and I'd like to atleast focus on the beatmap when I play osu!, and watch that anime opening outside of osu!, if I for some reason wanted to do that. The core of the map should lie in the notes imo, and even if the map has a great SB, it still sucks if the beatmap itself sucks.
I'm usually not distracted by SB's, so I keep them unless I try to do something hard and it's easier without, and skins are a case-by-case thing.
Ijah_old
Ijah_old
I vote for it to stay the same as it is, here are a few god examples of why being able to remove SBs/Vids is good.

1. frequently, mappers include "strobe" effects in their storyboards.
For example the following beatmaps for me are pretty much unplayable without finishing with at least a headache:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/80863 - Continuous white pulsing is horrible
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/63499 - ^
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/27473 - Insane has a horrible black/white fast strobe that literally makes my eyes hurt
Etc...

2. Nightcore maps and alike all usually contain very suggestive/possibly NSFW backgrounds making it hard for the player to play in any semi public space.
Good examples of this:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/111104
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/66359

3. Background videos (avi/flv) make most people lose around 15~20% of max FPS making the player's accuracy decrease and induce lag spikes at random.
They shouldn't even be allowed imo.

This has all been discussed many times before due to the nearing of an OSZ2 release.

I feel that it isn't such a good idea to go forward with locking beatmaps and restricting players who have been playing for quite some time this way (removing BGs/SBs) as it will cause many to just go "well fuck it" and just quit, others (like myself) will most likely just play the old version and keep grinding the same maps and making my own (osz1 format) without ever updating.

Revoking features that people have become used to over a long period of time just isn't very wise, but who am I to judge the authors?
It is in the end their game and we may only make minor suggestions.

Some of you may see it as "It gives others an advantage to remove elements!!", if that's the case, allowing alternate screen resolutions is cheating as it makes it much easier to play the bigger it is.

Also...

Peppy, please reskin at least osz2's hitbursts, the current ones are incredibly hard to play with...
Rena-chan
Rena-chan

ouranhshc wrote:

you do know you can disable some of that.
Yes, and ?

Hanyuu wrote:

In those games you dont play on top of the animation...
On the contrary.

CXu wrote:

Why is it an unfair advantage when every player can do it if he/she chooses to do so? If it makes the map harder for you, and you refuse to remove SB/skin/bg etc, then that's just you giving yourself a disadvantage.

Personally I never play with video, because my computer sucks, and I'd like to atleast focus on the beatmap when I play osu!, and watch that anime opening outside of osu!, if I for some reason wanted to do that. The core of the map should lie in the notes imo, and even if the map has a great SB, it still sucks if the beatmap itself sucks.
I'm usually not distracted by SB's, so I keep them unless I try to do something hard and it's easier without, and skins are a case-by-case thing.
It's not something you should be able to delete. Read: osz2
CXu
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CXu
"Not something you should be able to delete"

Well, gee, guess what? You can right now. When osz2 comes around, then it does. I don't mind either way, but stop complaining about everyone that doesn't play the game like you do.
Rena-chan
Rena-chan

CXu wrote:

"Not something you should be able to delete"

Well, gee, guess what? You can right now. When osz2 comes around, then it does. I don't mind either way, but stop complaining about everyone that doesn't play the game like you do.
"Boohoo, someone has a different opinion than me ?"

Well, gee, guess what ? I'll complain about cheaters all I want.
CXu
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CXu
Okay, have fun with complaining about "cheaters", I'm off.
Mythras
255 posts
Joined February 2010
Mythras
Not in the slightest is that cheating. Obnoxious annoying SBs and or videos (OR SKINS, dont forget those, I delete at least 40% of them too) shouldn't exist in the first place.
Jenny
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Topic Starter
Jenny

Unkind wrote:

Not in the slightest is that cheating. Obnoxious annoying SBs and or videos (OR SKINS, dont forget those, I delete at least 40% of them too) shouldn't exist in the first place.
That's why they should be removed before ranking a map, if they're really that bad - wasn't this even in the ranking criterias?
Glass
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Glass
LOL
xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns

Glass wrote:

LOL
/thread
Hatsune Miku_old
Hatsune Miku_old

Glass wrote:

LOL
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Glass wrote:

LOL
Nice sum-up even if the thread creator had stated he need serious discussion. (Because the 10th poll started 9 months ago is totally not serious enough)

One possible extreme solution would be increase the system requirements so every computer that's able to play this game at least can playing video/SB with ease. and remove the no-vid option altogether. But I can see this won't work at all.
Matty
21 posts
Joined July 2008
Matty
It's like trying to do an exam whilst sitting next to someone who clicks their pen constantly, except the exam is the beatmap, and the pen clicking is a series of seizure-inducing strobes, consternation and dancing chibis.
Ataman
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Joined June 2011
Ataman
Lets define cheating first...
On my opinion cheating is a way to gain an advantage by killing/avoiding certain parts of the gameplay.
For osu! I think gameplay involves clicking and aiming to a song-rythm and nothing else.
SB's, Skins and Videos are only an asthetic feature, provided by peppy, to make beatmaps more interesting and fun to play, hence why those elements are accessible through the "Design"-tab from the editor.
It's just design not involved in the gameplay itself therefore, avoiding it, isn't cheating.

However!
While deleting SB's and stuff isn't cheating, I think doing so is a pure disgrace because the mapper took the time to make those SB's and you just remove them because the beatmap is harder to play with?
I generally love any beatmap with a Storyboard, Skin, etc. because for me, it means the mapper was really engaged with his map and I got the privilege to enjoy it.

For videos:
Most of them are music-videos downloaded from youtube or elsewhere. Disabling those shouldn't hurt anybody. (And Mappers shouldn't care about their downloaded youtube-video just being disabled).
Exception of course: Beatmap-unique-videos, guess why.

tl;dr: If your PC has the power for SB's, don't touch them or accept the fact, that you're a hypocrite for removing content somebody else made for you while still playing that map.

Again, that's just my opinion.
I'm not a mapper but if I would make a map and some people just remove content I made for them, I would feel bad, somehow.
bwross
265 posts
Joined December 2009
bwross

Ijah wrote:

I vote for it to stay the same as it is, here are a few god examples of why being able to remove SBs/Vids is good.

1. frequently, mappers include "strobe" effects in their storyboards.
Which may be addressed... in the talk about osz2, there's mention of the possibility of a special layer for flashes, which would make it possible to add a switch to the game. At least I hope this is true, because I have some photo sensitivity, and I'd really miss some maps if they had to be played with flashes. If it is, then this reason to remove SBs is gone... you can remove flashes now, and toggle them later.

For example the following beatmaps for me are pretty much unplayable without finishing with at least a headache:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/80863 - Continuous white pulsing is horrible
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/63499 - ^
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/27473 - Insane has a horrible black/white fast strobe that literally makes my eyes hurt
Etc...
Not to belittle your examples, because I know it's hard to come up with the best ones on short notice... but the first two have never caused me any problem, because it isn't actually "white pulsing". What it is slightly brighter and blurrier... a bit annoying and quite distracting, but not enough of a "flash" (I wouldn't call these flashes at all) in a well lit room to cause an issue (and any one with photo sensitivity should quickly learn to play games in a well lit room to reduce the impact... it does have the disadvantage though of washing out contrast a bit, which can make hard to see colour combos even worse). That last example has potential (bursts were too short or the wrong frequency to affect me much, but could certainly get someone else)... that's actual white strobing.

Another example: Faith is for the Transient People (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/12119) hit me particularly hard. It's the reason I started fixing SB flashes.

2. Nightcore maps and alike all usually contain very suggestive/possibly NSFW backgrounds making it hard for the player to play in any semi public space.
And there's been talk about changing those backgrounds to meet the new tighter standard. So this might also be a non-reason... can remove it now, will be fixed later. Personally I'd like an option to keep the current images... I don't play in public, and I've come to associate the images to the maps.

3. Background videos (avi/flv) make most people lose around 15~20% of max FPS making the player's accuracy decrease and induce lag spikes at random.
They shouldn't even be allowed imo.
No problem with them being allowed if they can be turned off with No Video. And although the argument is well established for allowing that to reduce the system requirements to play, there is another reason... it allows photo sensitive people to turn off videos with flashes in them. Although I suppose that videos could be tagged on a case by case basis and tied to the same toggle as storyboard flashes... but keeping No Video kills both birds with one stone.

The one remaining issue I'd have (given the above are solved) would be bad combo colours. Combo colours and flashes have been the only reasons I've altered maps, save one map where I got annoyed because the combo break sound was skinned to be silent. That's simply not a sound that should be removed... the fact that it might make noise at a point when it might sound bad is completely appropriate for when the player makes a mistake.
Waryas
Waryas
I don't give a fuck about what others think about my playstyle, I'll continue to replace every background with a gray background.
Gabi
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Gabi
I think everyone here should have the right to play a map however they want. If a SB/BG/Skin takes away the pleasure of playing the map, then they should have all rights to delete it to be able to enjoy it more. As for cheating/unfair behaviour, everyone can access the beatmap folder and change whatever they want, so it's not "unfair behaviour" at all, and as for cheating... i'm not even going to bother explaining that one.

Personally i've never had any problems with BG's/SB's (maybe very very few ones) but as for skins, i can hardly play the game if there's a custom skin on the beatmap, so i usually end up deleting those.
Mercurial
Mercurial
This map distracts me and that's why I delete every bg/sb/.osb/skin from the songs... I play with the black ground in every map :)
Neruell
408 posts
Joined May 2009
Neruell
Seriously what is this topic about? I thought spam section was somewhere else.

There is no rule against it, so no "cheating" or what so ever. If you like it, use it, you don't like it, don't use it. It is not that only few people can toggle it on/off. Everyone can so who cares if you have white or black background. If you like a skin, you use it, you don't call it a cheat if you use a custom skin. No video is even an option in the game itself so calling that cheating is just bullshit. It's the same as if you would call all players with a mouse unfair players/cheaters because you play with arrow keys. PRO!
Tshemmp
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Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
I always play with Video, BG, SB and the map specific skin. I mean: they are part fo the map! Deleting any map elements is like deleting hitobjects for me: "wtf is this stream *deleting* haha now I can fc that shit".
Just because something in the map makes it harder to pass a it doesn't mean you have to delete it. As a mapper I would feel hurted since I put much work in this and did anything to improve the players experience for nothing. If you want to play steril maps, do them yourself.
Anyway it is neither cheating nor unfair behaviour since everyone got the option to do so, but I think people are looking to much on score and not on fun.
Neruell
408 posts
Joined May 2009
Neruell

Tshemmp wrote:

I always play with Video, BG, SB and the map specific skin. I mean: they are part fo the map! Deleting any map elements is like deleting hitobjects for me: "wtf is this stream *deleting* haha now I can fc that shit".
Just because something in the map makes it harder to pass a it doesn't mean you have to delete it. As a mapper I would feel hurted since I put much work in this and did anything to improve the players experience for nothing. If you want to play steril maps, do them yourself.
Anyway it is neither cheating nor unfair behaviour since everyone got the option to do so, but I think people are looking to much on score and not on fun.
Hardrock + Hidden
Flashlight / Flashlight + Hidden
Double time + Hidden

If that is not "deleting" hitobjects...

People who want to play for fun, they play for fun. People who play for score, they are in the ranking. Also fun for me is also getting a higher score, so I do play more or less for fun when I do delete all the stuff about the map.
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
Ok let's do this:

Video = enter youtube, download it and include it in the map. No real work done.
BG = google images. No real work done.
SB = Usually some work here is actually done, and honestly I don't always delete SBs because they are not THAT annoying (sometimes) and they may even be useful (x2 warning).

Therefore the only real complaint from the pov of "mapper's work" should be the SB, which then again even peppy offered the community a toggle to disable it so... no cheating at all kthx.

PD: Playing maps with black BG and your own skin is the most damn fun thing you can do in this game.
Denebola_old
26 posts
Joined August 2010
Denebola_old
What really rustles my jimmies is when a song has a video that cannot be disabled.

This map is completely unplayable for me unless I disable everything because it brings my FPS lower than vsync (not that I use vsync).

Having shader effects disabled takes away a lot of the SB elements too (afaik at least, people complain about maps I didn't have any problem with and the description of what shader effects do suggests so).

I don't delete anything or change anything though because I'm lazy as hell.
Fumi-chan
257 posts
Joined October 2009
Fumi-chan
"Taking the time" to make something doesn't give anyone the right to shove them down our throats. We already have our own skin for the game, we shouldn't be obligated to use YOURS because you "took your time" to do it. I personally don't delete BGs and SBs most of the time, but skins are almost always an annoyance. And to be completely honest with you guys, most custom skins mappers make are terrible.

But yeah, if you want to make all those things so your map can look pretty, go ahead, just don't complain when some people delete those elements cause they don't like it. Remember, not everyone is annoyed by these things, so people will inevitably always see your work. And like Wishy said, the only thing that really can be considered hard work when making map elements is the SB.
My1_old
372 posts
Joined August 2011
My1_old
I dont think that removing and/or novid are cheating, coz especially with videos sometimes osu hates my PC...
also happened rarely with SBs
and removing bgs/styleelements is no cheating too coz there are some (cant find a description) bad BGs or style elements
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/8073
-> the spinner in here is just a piece of shit and the bg is not better...

I think that you should add options to turn off SB beatmap skin and so on without always deleting, coz I am allways running after the mappers adding the sliderborder when they make s akin or removing it when they have no skin
coz if that happens everything is interfering with my skin

SPOILER
Sakura
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Sakura
Further discussion in this topic is pointless with osz2 you wont be able to access the song folder of any ranked map at all.
Speculations of what will happen with osz2 are only speculations, there's no need to discuss something that isn't even out yet and is still being tested out.

There was a possible feature request here regarding a SB toggle, but you guys messed it up and it ended up getting locked.

If a Skin/Background/SB is really that interfering with gameplay it shouldn't be ranked, i still wonder why beatmappers want to use combo colors that are in the background rather than combo colors that constrast the background.

Videos got a toggle because of certain video codecs requiring more computer power and not taking into account the minimum requirements to play osu!.

If a beatmap makes your computer lag down (with all elements on) and your computer meets the minimum requirements it shouldnt be getting ranked either.

NSFW content for beatmaps is already being discussed here so please direct your opinions regarding this issue there.

With all that in mind, all points of discussion of this thread arent necessary, if you want to give out your opinion on osz2, wait until osz2 is out and running, rather than speculate when it isnt even out, thread locked.
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