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May'n - Northern Cross

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himydanny
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2009年5月2日 at 19:34:50

Artist: May'n
Title: Northern Cross
BPM: 139
Filesize: 5094kb
Play Time: 02:53
Difficulties Available:
  1. abalee's Normal (4.21 stars, 245 notes)
  2. EVA-X's Relax(Warning!) (5 stars, 595 notes)
  3. himy's Insane (4.75 stars, 447 notes)
Download: May'n - Northern Cross
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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ed2 of Macross F.Thanks abalee and Eva-X

special thanks: whymeman and lota78 ;)
whymeman
Try using the offset at 755ms (it might be slightly off, but its my best tested estimate.)

and try adjusting the BPM slightly to 138.99 (its just my tested estimate. It could be a bit lower or higher)

Those two parts of the timming seem to work fine so far.

And using the Beat Snap Divisor at 1/2 can help get better note placements. But, if you have a hard time trying to find a place to put the notes within proper timming, try using the Playback Rate to slow the song down.
lota78
My difficulty =D!

Hope you like it, btw i think i need some help, could you check it?

Download: May'n - Northern Cross (himydanny) [lota78's Insane].osu
EVA-X
whymeman
[lota78's Insane] (Done... )

Offset needs to be adjusted to about 755ms.

Errors that you see are based off from the 755 offset. Some of the errors would be suggestions, not directions.

00:09:06 (1,2,3,4) - The slider seems over used on this one. Maybe you can try turning it into a "chain" of sliders?
00:14:02 (4,5,6) - Questionable spacing for its timing.... maybe it could be like that for the level, but not sure because of its timing...
00:29:03 (1,2) - (2) Looks a bit too far off from (1)
00:29:24 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The slider end near the fading (2) makes it look funny. Maybe you can try evening this out?
00:33:99 (7,1) - A stack like this can be very confusing because of the timing gap between the notes.
00:35:18 (4) - Sounds a bit late, try moving this back 1/4 to the "red tick".
00:37:98 (5,6,7) - This section could be moved forward by 1/4, starting (5) at the "red tick". Also, it sounds like 00:38:52 could use a hitnote, but that part is optional.
00:39:60 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Might have to move this back by 1/2 to the "red tick" then resnap the notes in place. Also, the way the song changes, this might be where you need to add another offset at 39,390ms, but this just an idea.
00:45:86 (5,6) - Sounds a bit early. Try moving this 1/4.
00:46:189 - The "ninja break" shouldn't be here since its not really a "break" at all.
00:48:45 (1) - This sounds really odd. Try using 1/4 division instead of 1/8 for the repeats on this slider.
00:49:31 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - The "flower burst slider stack" here also sounds odd since its using the 1/8 timing. Try using 1/4 divisions on this part also. And as for (4), try starting it at a "blue tick" and end it at 00:50:614.
00:51:15 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same timing issue as 00:49:31 at the "flower burst slider stack" and also needs to move back 1/4 earlier to the "red tick". The slider after also needs adjusting same as above starting it at 00:52:01 ending it at 00:52:341.
00:53:43 (8) - Hitnote conflict + "Wondering timing". Remove (7) then resnap the timing of (8) back in place.
00:55:15 (8) - ^ (Same as above)
00:57:19 (8,9) - Try moving the timing 1/4 to get it in sync with the song.
00:57:95 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - A bit too far from (9).
00:58:92 (1) - Did the sliders get faster or something??? :o The slider is long and really fast. Not the best combination to use. You may have to take out the BPM doubling if you plan to really use those sliders so the slider balls are not "slider bullets".
01:08:52 (10) - Might want to cut the slider end to 01:09:393 to make it sound better.
01:09:82 (1,1) - You might have to convert this part into hitnotes instead of all repeating sliders since there are some "pauses" in the lyrics.
01:15:54 (1,1) - There's almost not recovery time to catch the note after the spinner. But depends on what others say. :|
01:16:30 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Disorganized Spacing.... :?
01:23:20 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Improper spacing and at 01:24:39 (6,7), (7) sounds a bit late. Try moving it back 1/4.
01:27:73 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Improper spacing...? :?
01:30:54 (1) - This is an odd spinner. But I can see how its difficult to time. Maybe starting it at 01:30:97 to 01:33:567 would sound better? And maybe you could insert a break after to fill the gap of nothing (optional idea).
01:35:72 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Sounds like this should end at (9). Anything past it sounds kinda off....
01:59:79 (1,2,3,4) - Sounds late. Might want to try moving this back 1/4 earlier.
02:03:24 (5) - 1/4 early. Try moving this 1/4 later.
02:11:33 (1) - Slider over use. Try adjusting the timing to 1/4.

02:12:20 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,1,1) - Err...... wow..... :o . This might be overkill with the sliders used like this. Having the sliders repeat in a unnecessary way not only will it sound offbeat, but it also unnecessarily add to the combos. The max score is at 10,122,996 / 10,000,000, which is over the limit because of the unneeded note points. Try to eliminate the overuse of the sliders but at the same time, you can still make it "insane" but not to the point no one can play it. Also, for the 3 spinners, you might want to take on the 2nd one and put some notes in to fill its place.

02:25:36 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Irregular spacing. It doesn't match the timing of the notes.
02:29:25 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Interesting way of shaping the notes, but the spacing for its timing is the main problem with this.
02:32:70 (1,1) - Slider over use.
02:39:18 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Irregular spacing for its timing.
02:43:06 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^
02:46:09 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - ^
02:50:62 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^
02:53:42 (1) - Ends a bit early. Try extending the end point by 1/4.
02:55:26 (1,2,3) - Sounds late. Move back by 1/4 and then extend the slider to the 1/4 range. (The end point should be at the "red tick".)
02:55:80 (3,1) - There's a big "void" here in the map. Either add a break or add some notes. :(

03:19:33 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - In Bold: I don't think its going to work out unless you either: A.) Reduce the HP drain -or- B.) Put some hitnotes in this section.

In Color: Overusing the spinners is not a good idea when its back-to-back like this. If you are able to either replace the ones in between with some hitnotes or some sliders, it should give you some slack from the over use problem.

03:35:62 (1) - No breathing space to catch this after the spinner...... :o
03:36:16 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - These notes are scattered like stars in the sky.... >:(
03:40:05 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Nice shape, bad spacing..... and did you double the BPM again? The slider is moving too fast.... :x
03:43:50 (1,1) - These two sliders sound like angry bees..... :o . Either resnap its timing properly or remove them and replace it with some hitnotes.
03:49:98 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Irregular spacing again...
03:56:88 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4) - ^
04:01:41 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4) - ^


[EVA-X's Relax]

(Unavailable since it is in progress....)


My thoughts: This map has potential, but with how it is at the moment, you'll need to do some remapping and testing. Try to remove the unnecessary like the over repeating use of sliders, the spinners, and the double BPM thing. And as for the shapes, try making the shape with proper spacing in between notes. I can understand that some maps have the "jumps" in the Insane level, but not when its unnecessary. And to make sure you have proper timing of the notes, try slowing the song down, even to 25% if you have to. There are also sections in this map that needs to be resnapped with timing, spacing, or both. I know this song can be mapped well, but it will take some hard work in the process of trial and error. But i'll give it a star since this song can work out into being a beatmap in the future. :D
Topic Starter
himydanny
i don't know what to say now.. >:( umm iam sorry that i didn't say that we were still working in the map,lota's difficuity has a number of mistakes, :? i have told him to remake an easy one, EVA haven't started, we'll done it in this week. ;)

but thanks a lot whymeman :) , u gave us such great help and attention, the suggestions i'll use in the map.

Download: U - Little My Star (Full Ver) (_HydeSama_) [ezek's star].osu
whymeman
You're welcome. Its actually a cool song to listen to. :)
lota78
OMG XD lot of mistakes!

Ok, well. I'm going to fix those mistakes tomorrow and make a hard one if "insane" doesn't get better. Sorry about my confusing map :(

And of course is going to be easier :)

Anyway, Thanks a lot whymeman! Next is going to be better :)!
abalee
my "a bit hard" difficulty :D change the difficulty name if it need.

and stard ;)

Download: May'n - Northern Cross (himydanny) [abalee's a bit Hard].osu
lota78
Now what do you think about it :oops: ?

Thanks again whymeman :)!

Download: May'n - Northern Cross (himydanny) [lota78's Insane].osu
whymeman
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
whymeman
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ignorethis
BPM: 139
139.02 definitely sound a bit off later in the song

himy's difficulty
increase overall
00:55:354 - something's wrong with this slider... it sounds awkward
01:52:972 - line up with 4&5
02:18:220 - awkward too(it's obvious that you copied and pasted the same pattern used before xD)
03:08:932 - this spinner's too long
03:25:548 - awkward
03:29:109 - line up with 1&2
03:29:648 - add some hitsounds, at least for the last spinner
04:11:115 - these circles doesn't make sense. better lengthen the spinner to 04:11:547 and clean out the rest.

lota78's difficulty
increase volume
01:22:325 - spinner too short
02:22:208 - ^
02:22:964 - this slider is hard to read
02:42:170 - put this under 10 completely
02:45:191 - too short
03:19:287 - 03:35:256 - add more to this part please
03:39:140 - i heard a small sound in the music itself but it is too hard to hear, so i suggest you move this to 03:39:248
03:49:174 - too short

eva-x's difficulty
you call this a "relax"?
since it's not finished i won't comment

star'd
EVA-X
Alace
Awesome
EVA <3
proseyu

Alace wrote:

Awesome
EVA <3
^

good song, good map >w<

STAR

☆_☆
mican
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
lekko_old
up!
= =
hbra000
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
EVA-X
v2b
shoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
Andrea
[abalee's Normal]

00:45:42 (2) - Sounds bad.
02:21:45 (4,5) - 1 square to the right.
02:56:84 - Remove this timing section.

[himy's insane]

01:52:97 (6) - 1 square down.
03:17:13 (1) - 2 square up.
03:29:64 (1,1,1,1) - I don't know if this spinners are rankable. Don't do 4 spinner but 2 :) Better imo.
03:40:00 (3) - 1 square down.

[EVA-X's relax]
Why this have different offset? Change offset on himy and abalee with offset like this.

00:59:47 (1,1) - Im confused about this 2 spinners too for rank.
01:29:25 (2) - New combo.
01:29:69 (3) - ^
01:30:12 (4) - ^
02:20:84 (1,2,3,4,5) - This section need a 2x bpm warning.
02:22:35 (1,1) - Spinners, again.
02:46:52 (3) - New combo.
02:46:95 (4) - ^
02:47:38 (5) - ^
02:53:53 (7) - ^
03:29:69 (1,1,1,1) - Spinners, again.
03:43:50 (1,2) - This section need a 2x bpm warning.
03:45:23 (1,2) - ^
03:46:30 (1) - ^
03:48:68 (2) - New combo.
03:48:89 (3) - ^
03:49:11 (4) - ^
03:50:84 (4) - ^
03:51:27 (5) - ^
03:52:13 (7) - ^
04:02:92 (2) - ^
04:03:35 (3) - ^

Generally, i don't like this spacing, full of jumps and very high distance. :/

Fiu, done. Star.
Topic Starter
himydanny
add an SB of "speed up now", thanks 111~
m980
Ahem

BPM is abit fast. Try 139.

Abalee's Normal
00:46:29 (4,5) - This will definately throw people off.. especially in a normal difficulty.

himy's Insane
00:41:75 (5,6) - This will throw people off

Also the speed up warning is in all the difficulties.. Here's how to fix it

1. Go into [EVA-X's Relax(Warning!)]
2. Go into Design Tab (F2)
3. Click on "11" on the column on the right.
4. Click the box that says "Diff. Specific" down at the bottom left corner.
5. Do the same for the second "11"

DING DING DING
Topic Starter
himydanny
all have fixed, thanks m980~
kioukiou
EVA-X's Relaxing :

offset line : 133,180 and 134,906

fix them to 133,167 and 134,893

Because of 02:13:16 (4) and 02:14:89 (2). They should slow down (0.5x bpm)

btw , star it :)

edit : offset line : 140,086 this too

fix it to 140,073 , because 02:20:07 (8) it should speed up.
Topic Starter
himydanny

kioukiou wrote:

EVA-X's Relaxing :

offset line : 133,180 and 134,906

fix them to 133,167 and 134,893

Because of 02:13:16 (4) and 02:14:89 (2). They should slow down (0.5x bpm)

btw , star it :)

edit : offset line : 140,086 this too

fix it to 140,073 , because 02:20:07 (8) it should speed up.


又忘记改offset线了……谢谢kiou2~修正了一个大问题呢! :)
Starrodkirby86
Wow! Another excellent map from the Chinese players of osu!. I say this without exagerration or cheesiness, haha. By the way danny, sorry for the delay. I couldn't get on the computer. This was first priority when I got control.

[abalee's Normal]:
00:46:29 (4) - If you're keeping this little mini jump here, might as well move this to where it's under the fading (1) slider.
02:23:85 (1) - Make this basically a horizontal flip of the pink (1) slider from earlier.
02:44:35 (3) - Move 1 to the left on Grid Level 3.

[himy's Insane]:
00:45:43 (3) - It felt a little odd as is. Maybe add one repeat?
00:49:10 (1) - Hm...make this horizontally aligning with the yellow (1) slider?
02:03:13 (5) - Make this straight with the rest of the circles.
02:48:24 (1,2,3) - Try making this in a straight line? Have (3) and (4) be on the same column [or vertically even, whatever you say].
02:52:12 (2,3,4,5) - This is 'almost' on the brink of sloppiness, in my opinion. 'Almost' though.

[EVA-X'S Relax(Warning!)]:
01:15:65 (5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - Pet peeve, but it might look nicer if it's at the middle of of the shape (1-4) is making. This might ruin the stream later though. :(
02:19:75 (7,8) - Beause of the lack of ticks, some people might actually think THIS is the slider that has the speed up. Those little suckers don't know it's the one after it. ;) Was it intentional though?
03:49:10 (4) - Move 1 to the left on Grid Level 3.
04:08:31 (4) - Move to where the upcoming (6) is?


I wanted Ranka to be singing. :( It's okay. :P

I love EVA-X's use of inherited timing sections.

Star!

Download: Huang Er , Yin Pin Guai Wu - Zui Xian Ge (Megurine Luka) [Ing].osu
Topic Starter
himydanny
u r quite a patient modder starrodkirby86! i haven't found there were so many spacing mistakes in the map.

all have fixed now, many thanks star!
Echo
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
EVA-X
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

Download: May'n - Northern Cross (himydanny) [EVA-X's Relax(Warning!)].osu
vytalibus
Recheck your breaks. Delete them, then bring them back.

[abalee's Normal]
01:00:97 (1) - The break after this is too short for my liking. I don't think it doesn't do much of a difference, so remove it.
02:22:33 (1,1,1) - Might be confusing due to the similarity of jumps. Suggestion: put the first slider in place of (5) instead. Also, follow the previous mod comment for the break.

EVA's difficulty is fun. A little bit random on the fast parts, but fun nonetheless.
Topic Starter
himydanny

Echo wrote:

[EVA-X]
02:53:52 (7,8,9) - should be 1/4 beat earlier? (start on white)

Everything else looks fine.

You get my star :)

a good suggestion, it's on rhythm now. thanks~
Topic Starter
himydanny
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Larto
Eva-X' difficulty was probably the best map I've ever seen. Others were cool too. Bubble goes here.
Jacqueline_old

himydanny wrote:

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2009年5月2日 at 19:34:50

Artist: May'n
Title: Northern Cross
BPM: 139
Filesize: 5094kb
Play Time: 02:53
Difficulties Available:
  1. abalee's Normal (4.21 stars, 245 notes)
  2. EVA-X's Relax(Warning!) (5 stars, 595 notes)
  3. himy's Insane (4.75 stars, 447 notes)
Download: May'n - Northern Cross
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
---------------
ed2 of Macross F.Thanks abalee and Eva-X
ACC
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