-Sekai- wrote:
so when this owt will take on~? o3o
l2read.fartownik wrote:
The Cup will start in the day of 21st November.
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#2 osu! World Cup (Team vs) [Korea wins]
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Not sure what you're talking about, but I can add that there will be more staff members and at least one of them will be a GMT/BAT member (we already have a few people more to help, but we we will list them all when we complete the gather).r3yn41d0 wrote:
can you another staff of 2nd OWC from a BAT/GMT?
It does exist, but can be got around in special cases. An example of JesusYamato playing for France would be good here. Belgium doesn't have any more good and active players apart from him, so he can't form up a team which might be not fair. He also speaks French and is an active member of the community of that country.Vpalach wrote:
So, the rule, where players can't join team unless they have proper country flag, is still exist?
sorry forgot writing "add". because im typing so fast lolfartownik wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about, but I can add that there will be more staff members and at least one of them will be a GMT/BAT member (we already have a few people more to help, but we we will list them all when we complete the gather).r3yn41d0 wrote:
can you another staff of 2nd OWC from a BAT/GMT?
I wouldn't agree, that makes it seem like everything was okay except the final.lepidopodus wrote:
You know, previous OWC was ok until the final...
Anyways, my best wishes to the Korean squad that may or may not form for this competition. I trust them to make us proud.
Ijah_old
Did I miss something or what are the "seeds" and "unseeds"? I mean i did read the post but how are they formed? Who will decide which one is which?
Country name: Chile
Captain: nVidi4x
Player1: Mesita
Player2: Ignacio
Player3: Art-FzTT
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Back-up Player1: b1choO
Back-up Player2: b4ss_
Time zone: GMT-3 (might be GMT-4 in summer)
Captain: nVidi4x
Player1: Mesita
Player2: Ignacio
Player3: Art-FzTT
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Back-up Player1: b1choO
Back-up Player2: b4ss_
Time zone: GMT-3 (might be GMT-4 in summer)
I've been wondering about this too. I guess it's more of a matter when all teams have been signed upNeruell wrote:
Did i miss something or what are the "seeds" and "unseeds"? I mean i did read the post but how are they formed? Who will decide which one is which?
Strong team x_ xnVidi4x wrote:
Country name: Chile
Captain: nVidi4x
Player1: Mesita
Player2: Ignacio
Player3: Art-FzTT
Time zone: GMT-3 (might be GMT-4 in summer)
Neruell wrote:
Did i miss something or what are the "seeds" and "unseeds"? I mean i did read the post but how are they formed? Who will decide which one is which?
The countries will be chosen by the tournament staff.which doesn't sound too legit.
If its possible I would like to join the german Team. Switzerland hasn't got enough... good players. And they aren't very activ. So if it's ok, I would like to join the germans .
.+Blacky wrote:
If its possible I would like to join the german Team. Switzerland hasn't got enough... good players. And they aren't very activ. So if it's ok, I would like to join the germans
Same question about Austria, last owc they were so few that they formed an other german team, can it be done again? (unless austria doesn't want/have enough ppl for their own team)
Country name: Portugal
Captain: Mikutard
Player1: Makkura
Player2: Maraiga
Player3: Jonnythatjonny
Back-up Player1: Pereira006
Back-up Player2:
Time-Zone: Gmt +0 / Gmt -1
Captain: Mikutard
Player1: Makkura
Player2: Maraiga
Player3: Jonnythatjonny
Back-up Player1: Pereira006
Back-up Player2:
Time-Zone: Gmt +0 / Gmt -1
Topic Starter
The tournament staff will decide which of the signed-up teams will be seeded and unseeded. Our judgment will be based on the skill of certain players.Neruell wrote:
Did I miss something or what are the "seeds" and "unseeds"? I mean i did read the post but how are they formed? Who will decide which one is which?
If you think your team is skilled enough it won't matter if it's in the group of seeded or unseeded. I just wanted to avoid the face of best countries in 1st stage, which ruins all the fun.
Our judgment might be a little subjective and not accurate, but what's the accurate way to judge something like skill? We'll do the best we can to judge fair.
Seems like Switzerland really has no active players. If Germany let you to the team, you're allowed to play for them. This is a special case and it's not a permission for everyone joining not their country teams.Blacky wrote:
If its possible I would like to join the german Team. Switzerland hasn't got enough... good players. And they aren't very activ. So if it's ok, I would like to join the germans
I believe they have enough of skilled players to form a team by themselves.Neruell wrote:
Same question about Austria, last owc they were so few that they formed an other german team, can it be done again? (unless austria doesn't want/have enough ppl for their own team)
Also Germany has plenty of people to play and you don't really need to gather people from other countries. It's of course your call, if Blacky wants to play for you, you can add him.
No, I mean last year there were 2 german teams, and one of it was half german half austrian because they didn't have enough ppl to form their own team. Yes germany has enough people, it had even too many people who wanted to play and austria didn't have enough for even a full 4 player team that's why they were merged into "german" team. Same question again, if austria doens't get enough people, can german ppl particiapte in it? Or can we form a second german team with them as players?fartownik wrote:
I believe they have enough of skilled players to form a team by themselves.Neruell wrote:
Same question about Austria, last owc they were so few that they formed an other german team, can it be done again? (unless austria doesn't want/have enough ppl for their own team)
Also Germany has plenty of people to play and you don't really need to gather people from other countries. It's of course your call, if Blacky wants to play for you, you can add him.
P.S. This is just a curiosity from my side, so this question is not based on facts, but just in case if this happens again.
Why not just a team composed of minorities? Like Austria + Switerland + Belgium + any other?
Well that is kinda actually what I am asking just compared to owc1 it was made with germany + others...
Topic Starter
Yes, there will be a possibility like this, but only for 1 player from Germany. The majority must stay on the Austria side.Neruell wrote:
No, I mean last year there were 2 german teams, and one of it was half german half austrian because they didn't have enough ppl to form their own team. Yes germany has enough people, it had even too many people who wanted to play and austria didn't have enough for even a full 4 player team that's why they were merged into "german" team. Same question again, if austria doens't get enough people, can german ppl particiapte in it? Or can we form a second german team with them as players?
P.S. This is just a curiosity from my side, so this question is not based on facts, but just in case if this happens again.
This is the worst scenario of course.
I guess it'd only work for countries with extremely small base of players. I'd prefer to keep the origin of how all of the World Cups work and worked.ErufenRito wrote:
Why not just a team composed of minorities? Like Austria + Switerland + Belgium + any other?
^Get the fuck out, please.
Here we go
Country name: Brazil
Captain: fabriciorby
Player1: Blue Dragon
Player2: Caco
Player3: antsu
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Back-up Player1: Fumi-chan
Back-up Player2: K3nsh1n_H1mur4
GMT -3/ GMT -2
PS: It may suffer some alteration, ok?
Country name: Brazil
Captain: fabriciorby
Player1: Blue Dragon
Player2: Caco
Player3: antsu
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Back-up Player1: Fumi-chan
Back-up Player2: K3nsh1n_H1mur4
GMT -3/ GMT -2
PS: It may suffer some alteration, ok?
Fumi-chan the next Cookiezi.fabriciorby wrote:
Here we go
Country name: Brazil
Captain: fabriciorby
Player1: Blue Dragon
Player2: Caco
Player3: antsu
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Back-up Player1: Fumi-chan
Back-up Player2: K3nsh1n_H1mur4
GMT -3/ GMT -2
PS: It may suffer some alteration, ok?
blah blah seeding whatever blah blahIf it's "no fun" that the best teams have to face each other round one, I'd say it's even less fun for a less skilled team to immediately face the best team and get knocked out of the tournament. It sucks to play in a tournament and never actually get to play anyone around your skill level to make for interesting games.
If the "best teams" eliminating each other really early is such a problem, why not use a different tournament system such as something involving pools, double elimination, or swiss pairings?
^ well said, though I've never heard of swiss pairings. (googles it 
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)COME ON!! ARGENTINA and CHILE
imo groups of 4 countries. top 2 go to the next stage which is a double elimination bracket. this is almost standard for big tournaments.Lybydose wrote:
blah blah seeding whatever blah blahIf it's "no fun" that the best teams have to face each other round one, I'd say it's even less fun for a less skilled team to immediately face the best team and get knocked out of the tournament. It sucks to play in a tournament and never actually get to play anyone around your skill level to make for interesting games.
If the "best teams" eliminating each other really early is such a problem, why not use a different tournament system such as something involving pools, double elimination, or swiss pairings?
Plus you get 8 groups so you can "seed" 8 pro teams, each in one group, and then the other 3 teams can actually face each other fairly without having to surrender even before playing.
This would make the OWC a week longer at most but I think it's worth it, so every team can play at least 3 matches.
This would make the OWC a week longer at most but I think it's worth it, so every team can play at least 3 matches.
Swiss pairings are used in M:tG tournaments (actually it's "modified" swiss, but I don't know the difference). Here's how it works:
8 teams = 3 rounds
9 - 16 teams = 4 rounds
17 - 32 teams = 5 rounds
...etc
All teams play every round (unless they want to drop out early).
Round 1 pairs everyone randomly with another team. Teams that win their match get 1 point, losers get 0 points.
Round 2 and on pairs each team with another random team that has the same number of points. Basically after round 1, you'll always be playing a team that's doing just as well (or as bad) as you.
After however many rounds, Top 8 teams play an elimination bracket.
This type of tournament is generally best suited for large tournaments though, since it lets you play out a 1024 player tournament in just 10 rounds, and lets you continue to double player numbers with just one additional round per doubling. This is probably why M:tG tournaments use it (in addition to the fact that it lets everyone play every round). A pool-based system with the "top teams" seeded to be in separate pools would probably be better for something smaller like this.
8 teams = 3 rounds
9 - 16 teams = 4 rounds
17 - 32 teams = 5 rounds
...etc
All teams play every round (unless they want to drop out early).
Round 1 pairs everyone randomly with another team. Teams that win their match get 1 point, losers get 0 points.
Round 2 and on pairs each team with another random team that has the same number of points. Basically after round 1, you'll always be playing a team that's doing just as well (or as bad) as you.
After however many rounds, Top 8 teams play an elimination bracket.
This type of tournament is generally best suited for large tournaments though, since it lets you play out a 1024 player tournament in just 10 rounds, and lets you continue to double player numbers with just one additional round per doubling. This is probably why M:tG tournaments use it (in addition to the fact that it lets everyone play every round). A pool-based system with the "top teams" seeded to be in separate pools would probably be better for something smaller like this.
Metro and Wishy22 have very good ideas/points there. Hopefully they don't get ignored, or at least hopefully they have good reasons not to host it this way, and actually tell us what those reasons are
Actually I have talked a bit with fartowik (a few PMs) and he isn't the kind of guy who's going around ignoring everyone and doing how he pleases, so I'm sure he's gonna read what we posted.
and 1 more question, will dvorak became the streamer of the 2nd osu! world cup,when the tournament is official ?
And yeah I am a pain in the ass. But I seriously suggest you get active somewhat skilled players at the very least to suggest you what maps to pick for the tournament, or at least pick them yourself + ask if they're ok with some players. Please don't get 5/6 BATs that don't even play this game to choose bad maps like they did last time. Honestly you can be osu!'s staff and a great BAT but if you don't really play the game you have no idea what maps are really fun to play/liked.
Getting some nice professional players to participate can be a nice idea...Wishy22 wrote:
you get active somewhat skilled players
...but well, just asking some players around is somewhat dangerous since the map list can be easly leaked before releasing. So we might be able to set some kind of advisor board before starting this tournament...?Wishy22 wrote:
pick them yourself + ask if they're ok with some players..
zozozofun
I think there are several good experienced players that are grown-up enough to not go around leaking the map list. If you still think you can't trust some of those you can just give them a... 40 maps list and tell them to give you their opinions, and from that you can somewhat decide on the 15 maps without telling anyone. Though I still think there is plenty of people who can actually be trusted, like if you're 22 years old I want to believe you're not that retarded.lepidopodus wrote:
Getting some nice professional players to participate can be a nice idea...Wishy22 wrote:
you get active somewhat skilled players...but well, just asking some players around is somewhat dangerous since the map list can be easly leaked before releasing. So we might be able to set some kind of advisor board before starting this tournament...?Wishy22 wrote:
pick them yourself + ask if they're ok with some players..
Maybe I have to like... learn to read. But when 2 teams play the maps would be chosen like this I guess, right?
Team A.
Team B.
Team B.
Team A.
Fixed map.
Haha \:D/ eliminated first round.zozozofun wrote:
Since some of the better dutch players won't participate we give a chance to the others of Holland who aren't as good as them!
Holland
Captain: zozozofun
Player 1: Big_ChilD
Player 2: VulcanicMoonCard
Player 3: Waiting
GMT + 1
More will join soon (probably)
If not, I will eat my shoes ~~
Topic Starter
A very interesting idea indeed. Never heard of it though, maybe I should have been more discerning about the tournament schemes. I'm still opened for all kinds of suggestions and if I see the proposed system is better than I thought up with, I will think about implementing it. Gonna talk it through with Lunah soon.Lybydose wrote:
Swiss pairings are used in M:tG tournaments (actually it's "modified" swiss, but I don't know the difference). Here's how it works:
8 teams = 3 rounds
9 - 16 teams = 4 rounds
17 - 32 teams = 5 rounds
...etc
All teams play every round (unless they want to drop out early).
Round 1 pairs everyone randomly with another team. Teams that win their match get 1 point, losers get 0 points.
Round 2 and on pairs each team with another random team that has the same number of points. Basically after round 1, you'll always be playing a team that's doing just as well (or as bad) as you.
After however many rounds, Top 8 teams play an elimination bracket.
This type of tournament is generally best suited for large tournaments though, since it lets you play out a 1024 player tournament in just 10 rounds, and lets you continue to double player numbers with just one additional round per doubling. This is probably why M:tG tournaments use it (in addition to the fact that it lets everyone play every round). A pool-based system with the "top teams" seeded to be in separate pools would probably be better for something smaller like this.
I have PM'd him already, sadly got no response yet. We're still looking for someone to stream matches of the tournament.r3yn41d0 wrote:
and 1 more question, will dvorak became the streamer of the 2nd osu! world cup,when the tournament is official ?
The staff is going to be composed of people with experiences in both mapping and playing. The reason the staff member list isn't posted yet is that we're still looking for certain trusted people to help. A responsible choosing like this takes some time.Wishy22 wrote:
And yeah I am a pain in the ass. But I seriously suggest you get active somewhat skilled players at the very least to suggest you what maps to pick for the tournament, or at least pick them yourself + ask if they're ok with some players. Please don't get 5/6 BATs that don't even play this game to choose bad maps like they did last time. Honestly you can be osu!'s staff and a great BAT but if you don't really play the game you have no idea what maps are really fun to play/liked.
And yeah, I read all of the posts and consider all of your suggestions.Wishy22 wrote:
Actually I have talked a bit with fartowik (a few PMs) and he isn't the kind of guy who's going around ignoring everyone and doing how he pleases, so I'm sure he's gonna read what we posted.
This hasn't been included in the rules, but yes, that's how it will look.Wishy22 wrote:
Maybe I have to like... learn to read. But when 2 teams play the maps would be chosen like this I guess, right?
Team A.
Team B.
Team B.
Team A.
Fixed map.
There are lots of schemes you can apply to tournament. In this case you gonna have just a few teams so the best possible idea is to apply something like what's applied to soccer world cups. 8 groups made out of 4 teams, where only two will pass to the next phase, and by having groups like this of course you take the advantage of putting apart each pro team so not only you avoid getting China Vs. Japan in the first rounds, but get even the average teams to have fun playing against people like them and why not, a chance to get somewhere in the tournament too. :d
Plus teams that lose once aren't eliminated from the entire tourney (unless I am mistaken, then derp).
You're not. All teams play at least 3 matches.YodaSnipe wrote:
Plus teams that lose once aren't eliminated from the entire tourney (unless I am mistaken, then derp).