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Mara
Oh shit, I am blind part 2. Sorry for that.
Rolled
Okay, just spent an hour reading this thread and I can now say a lot of you are pretty bad. Fluff it down a little bit with the one sentence posts, please.

Made some notes of posts that caught my eye. Hopefully I can remember my reasoning now that I'm going back and looking at them.

RARGH I SUCK. Hyperlinked the fucking image, not the post :( Now I need to go through this shithole again. Anyways:

Fishie wrote:

Vote: NoLynchOkay, any experienced player is aware that no lynching is not useful to town 99% of the time. Where this becomes WIFOM-y, however, is ask yourself: Does no lynching sound like a favorable opportunity to mafia, regardless of the player's experience? Anybody who pounces on these players who vote no lynch is immediately suspicious to me, using it as such an easy opportunity to scumpaint. The more experienced the [scumpainting] player, the more suspicious they become. Realize that the ONLY person that will vote for a no lynch is an inexperienced player. Once you realize that, ask yourself, is it more common for an in experienced mafia to vote nolynch, or an inexperienced town? My vote goes for inexperienced town. That said:
FoS: Lyby, Savage, and KRZY, in that order pretty much.

Other than that, I have a mild FoS on Rantai, mostly due to meta (at least in my memory). I remember admiring Rantai's play in one game as pro-town, thinking it was very well thought out it persuaded my opinion a lot in said game. I couldn't even find the game that I'm referencing, so hopefully I'm not mixing you up with another person (maybe akro.. >_>) in which case, sorry for the confusion, but at least that eliminates this FoS ^___^

Okay, the reasoning for the FoS:


Rantai wrote:

Salvage wrote:

adam : i'd rather waste time thinking about more important things , we won't reach anything discussing the probabilty of roles being used when we don't know anything about them yet , glad you start moving things with that vote ^_^.
Really now?

That sounds rather scummy right there, glad to see you don't mind wasting time, as long as it's not around you.
While a huge part of me doesn't trust Salvage at all, this post made Rantai seem like he was grasping at straws to push a Salvage lynch/roleclaim. There were many cases to be argued at that point of the game that pointed in the direction of Salvage being scummy, but the fact that Rantai acknowledged something as small as this struck me as odd. To specify, labeling the "wasting time" bit to be "rather scummy" seems to be pushing it a lot, and looks like scumpainting. While perhaps Salvage could have chosen his words better, in no means do I think that little bit is scummy. If Salvage ends up rolling town, then I will re-instate this FoS on Rantai.

Okay, that's just my attempt to point out some bits of this game I felt were overlooked. I'm here for good now though, did you miss me? :lol:

also, completely off-topic:
I was thinking of putting together an ISO archive to possibly be stickied on this forum. I'd sort by game, then alignment (scum/town), hyperlinking each player's ISO during that game. Is anybody at all interested in this, or better yet interested in helping?
Lybydose
I see where you're saying with the FoS's on anti no-lynchers, but the fact of the matter is that fishie isn't actually inexperienced. Someone already pointed out that he's played 3 games before this one on this site.


also, completely off topic
I don't know what ISO means, unless it's "in search of", which I usually only hear in the context of trading cards
bmin11
That's what I meant by "confusing posts" as the way it was written sounds very scummish, but also seems like he just didn't chose the right wording. I stopped thinking about it after Salvage's role claim, since there's no point of focussing anymore.
FisHie_old

Lybydose wrote:

he's played 3 games before
Actually more like 2. Or 1 and a half.
Rantai
@Rolled, the only game I can think of where I was town and did something useful was the first less experiment game.

That out of the way, I can honestly say those words felt genuine and as such roused a fair amount of suspicion from me. I probably can't make you understand how, but it rubs me the wrong way. At the very least it's a deflection of attention.
Salvage
The "i'd rather waste time" sentence i wrote was a misspelled one of course , english isn't my first lenguage you know ^_^.



LS where are yoooooooouuu
Mashley
Vote Salvage
KRZY
I accept Rolled's logic, and will take this into account in my future games. I, of course, do not accept his suspicion lol
Mara

Lybydose wrote:

I see where you're saying with the FoS's on anti no-lynchers, but the fact of the matter is that fishie isn't actually inexperienced. Someone already pointed out that he's played 3 games before this one on this site.

LunaticMara wrote:

FYI, FisHie didn't actually play Mafia II. He was added just for the lulz.
In Mafia III, he actually just voted No Lynch and that was pretty much it.

So yeah, 1½ games. He was pretty active in Mafia IV until he got nightkilled.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
fishie (4) Lybydose, KRZY, Salvage, Wojjan
Salvage (3) - foulcoon,fishie, Mashley
Backfire (1) - DeathxShinigami
LunaticMara (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - adam2046

Not Voting (10) - Rantai, LunaticMara, Lilac, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rolled, Backfire, Jaqennn, KRZY, LadySuburu, bmin11
Rolled
Salvage why are you waiting on LS specifically?
Mara
Yeah, I'll just leave this vote in here.

Vote: Salvage
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

LunaticMara wrote:

@Mod, prod Lilac?
NOW it's been 48 hours.

Prod Lilac
Lilac
Do it, I dare you.
Rantai
/prods Lilac

Challenge accepted.

- Got any opinions to share?
Lilac
Sure.

My opinion is the general players don't have one. At least what I can see.
Mara
Why do you think so?
Lilac
I'd like to know why Mara rushed my prod to begin with. Why not I prod DxS? He's been gone as long as I have almost have, so what do you achieve?

Salvage is going all over the place with his accusations, fishie's doing...something of an unknown nature and everyone is kinda neutral... I might have missed a few people though.

Anyway, back on to Salvage and Swifttail like I said earlier. Swifty is intent on bringing everyone to the topic, I don't see that as a scum move unless he wants more attention on himself but who knows, he probably just doesn't know that. Salvage, on the other hand, is intent on LS on being Mafia...why though, I actually want to know.
Lilac
Credit to Rolled for his ISO work, brilliant as always.
Mara

Lilac wrote:

I'd like to know why Mara rushed my prod to begin with.
Because I wanted to hear some opinions from you. Also yeah, prod DxS.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Lilac: I'm always about timing, so if someone didn't post as often, then yes, I would keep an eye on their last post.
Lilac
In other words, I am also waiting before I vote...

...GAAAH.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..might be why you're not posting as often.
Lilac
No, it's just that I'm working 9 to 5 these school holidays..

..and once I get home, it's all...ick.
LadySuburu

Salvage wrote:

LS where are yoooooooouuu
Asleep, and also not really having anything to say. I've already stated my opinions.
foulcoon
Unvote

because I never did before, and I need some time to think about things. School + work forever btw, haven't been posting as much as I would like to.
Salvage

Rolled wrote:

Salvage why are you waiting on LS specifically?

Cause you already posted your opinions as Wojjan and Lyby did and i actually think that you and them are the only oens that could come with a good plan, and hopefully not all of you 4 are mafia, so i wanted to hear what does LS think it's the best thing to do right now but well.
bmin11
Way to discredit people! Isn't it, Salvage?


And FoS: Mashley, LunaticMara
You guys went to vote for Salvage even though we had quite amount of discussion and a plan. Is there a reason why you can't wait for a night? Or are you that sure Salvage is a mafia, even risking the chance of lynching a possible Watcher/Tracker? To me, you guys seem like trying to blend in by votting an easy and generally scummy looking target without a clear reasoning nor actually focussing on the game.
Wojjan

bmin11 wrote:

blend in by votting an easy and generally scummy looking target without a clear reasoning nor actually focussing on the game.
I really don't think Salvage is neither easy or scummy at all.
bmin11

Wojjan wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

blend in by votting an easy and generally scummy looking target without a clear reasoning nor actually focussing on the game.
I really don't think Salvage is neither easy or scummy at all.
It would look like that if people only reads the last few posts and I think that's what they are doing. Randomly pops out -> vote -> vanish
foulcoon
^ saying he only read the last few posts

and yeah Salvage thinks pretty highly of himself since that WWG win that was basically handed to him by retarded play. Hell, I won too so I guess I cant complain, I just find the differences from this game and WWG funny. That being said I dont think its worth lynching him until we know more info tomorrow. He is also acting considerably different from WWG (meta) but he was scum in that game so its not necessarily a bad thing.
Rolled

Salvage wrote:

Cause you already posted your opinions as Wojjan and Lyby did and i actually think that you and them are the only oens that could come with a good plan
As far as plans go, there really isn't much to be made with the information we have atm. Combining our two known aux roles into something strategic could result in far too much WIFOM shit involving roleblocks, mafia not killing, shit like that.

At this point in time all I can suggest is Salvage target whoever, and KRZY target somebody else. I'm bad at D1 in general, though.
Mashley
Mmm yeah that wasn't though through very well unvote
foulcoon
considering my suspicions... i found the whole Backfire bandwagon interesting, and also thr amount of people who defended. that whole thing didnt really stick and most unvoted, so theres still a possibility Backfire is mafia. I also have some suspicion regarding adam, mainly because of the "forced roleclaim" shit. still not voting yet though. thoughs anyone?
foulcoon
also on the subject of Backfire,

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=63167&p=1058787#p1058787

this post was made after the bandwagon, and he also made another post after that which was stupid and not at all serious. i would link it but im on my phone and its a pain in the ass.
Wojjan
I actually think adam and Backfire are town. or at least ther play styles fit with the games where they've been town so far.
foulcoon
triple posting...

i dont know if my link worked properly, the post im refering to is when he says Ah, well or something after being voted.
Wojjan
I just reread and it really changed my opinion on stuff in hindsight.

Actually I really don't like how Salvage has been playing so far. This whole what's the plan attitude hits me like a farce to find out what will be going on tonight to know for sure if there's any chance it'd out him as if he's fishing for more roleclaims to figure out how to thwart the night or something. Salvage has mostly just been discussing who'll be on who tonight and painting fishie over and over in his spare time.

combine that with the fact that he was so eager to step on the brakes on the Backfire BW there's a fair chance they're both mafia.

Also there's the danger of rerouting a lynch to yet another player, having them roleclaim a PR, and continuing until we hit a townie and the entire town is outed. Right now, I'm not liking Salvage, and I think I missed it in the rush of "unvoting for the power role" thing.

Vote: Salvage because a roleclaim alone doesn't cover his scumplay.
Wojjan
FAKEDIT: If Salvage flips scum I reserve the right to repeatedly scream I TOLD YOU SO and vote Backfire.
Salvage
mkay so if you guys lynch me today i'm gonna go and rape you all .. cause i'm really a spy infiltrator.
Rolled

Salvage wrote:

mkay so if you guys lynch me today i'm gonna go and rape you all .. cause i'm really a spy infiltrator.
This happens every game. When somebody who has roleclaimed, and is still on the verge of getting lynched, there's always a simple post such as "but I'm realllllllllllllly x role." Usually they're pretty easy to read whether or not they're telling the truth, and this post is rubbing the wrong way.

The absolute only thing preventing me from voting Salvage is his role claim. All other signs point to yes.
foulcoon
Vote: Salvage
Salvage
are you serious dude? with 19 people there could be like 5 or 4 mafia and you guys are willing to lynch a possible watcher/tracker D1? with the ability to proove me town in like 2 days or even 1 depending on how things go.
Rolled
How many games have you played invisible btw, Salvage?
Salvage
All of my games (3 so far with this one) .. started on the middle of WWV.
foulcoon
alternatively, we could lynch you because youre annoying as fuck. if you turn up mafia we have basically confirmed fishie town. then i vote backfire or adam. i doubt you're smart enough to plan anything elaborate on day 1 anyways.

if you turn up town, were all richer for the experience because youre dead.

if you dont understand, i dont like you.
Salvage
i don't understand
foulcoon
i dont like you
Wojjan

foulcoon wrote:

i dont like you
quality interpersonal relationships
Rolled
Foulcoon did you really just un-invisible you noob. I swear you were invisible for the past 30 minutes at least.

-Rolled says invisibility is scummy
-Foulcoon goes un-invis
-WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM
Mara
What's the vote status at the moment?
foulcoon

Rolled wrote:

Foulcoon did you really just un-invisible you noob. I swear you were invisible for the past 30 minutes at least.

-Rolled says invisibility is scummy
-Foulcoon goes un-invis
-WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM
no, just switched from phone to iPad. my data connction was shit so i got on wifi.
Backfire
Wait, what did I do? I just think salvage is mafia. That makes me mafia, wojjan? ;-;
foulcoon
i think salvage was one of the first to defend you after you had basically thrown in the towel

otherwise i dont really know why wojjan specifically is suspicious
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Well, being D1, there's a high probability that the person we lynch is going to flip town. But to be honest, I have suspicions that Salvage and someone else are mafia, but it wouldn't work if we lynch Salvage right now.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
EBWODP: What I'm implying is that our original plan will be wasted if we simply vote Salvage off now.
foulcoon
so you think salvage is mafia, but its a bad idea to lynch him? doesnt really make sense. i havent seen a good plan yet, mainly because each plan has already been destroyed by people in the thread describing specifically how to fuck it up.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
True, but the reason why I say this is because investigators can use this plan to check and see if either one of them is lying.

...then again, if we vote Salvage, we can still make an attempt at getting a read on KRZY tonight with an investigation.
Wojjan
Our initial plan involves bmin dying if Salvage is mafia. If we lynch him right now, because his behavior is pointing abundantly towards scummy, we save a recruiter. Sometimes on D1 you just go with it. They could be town, but that learns us a lot from the people on the bandwagon, more if there's a sensor around.
foulcoon
sensors are so broken, i doubt there is one.
Backfire
I dont remember him defending me. But even if he did, that doesent forbid him from being on my list. :/
Salvage

Wojjan wrote:

Our initial plan involves bmin dying if Salvage is mafia. If we lynch him right now, because his behavior is pointing abundantly towards scummy, we save a recruiter. Sometimes on D1 you just go with it. They could be town, but that learns us a lot from the people on the bandwagon, more if there's a sensor around.
KRZY not bmin, and yea i didn't get your point like at all .. seems like the most useless idea i ever heard.


also that "salvage it's annoying" thing it's so anti-town it hurts my eyes .. if i wouldn't have done what i did this would be a blind D1 to go trough, so since we seem to be going to pick the worst choice right now i'm gonna try to avoid posting cause it's starting to bother me.
bmin11
And Wojjan meant by KRZY, not me if anyone is getting confused

And I still think it's a good idea to have a plan. Mafia is not the only side who can manipulate behind the scene. It's better then just throwing of actions and cross our fingers to get a result.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
...I don't think the mod got the prod. It's not showing up on the OP. If he did... well, this post is useless.

Prod: DxS
adam2046
Salvage trying to self preserve and acting as if he is the best thing since sliced bread. (I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE FISHIE MAN BUT DID YOU LISTEN TO ME MAN? NOOOOOOOO)
Foulcoon and Wojjan acting as if giving mafia info to act on day 1 is fine. Also Foulcoon told me to shut up, so he's a big poopyhead.
KRZY roleclaiming because... why the hell did you roleclaim?
Fishie, well... yeah. fishie.
Rest of the thread "No opinions right now."


Wojjan wrote:

I actually think adam and Backfire are town. or at least ther play styles fit with the games where they've been town so far.
Everyone listen to Wojjan.
In what way does my play style fit games where I'm town?
bmin11
I actually don't recognize adam's style as he always gets NK'd on N1 or N2.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
Salvage (4) - fishie, LunaticMara, Wojjan, foulcoon
fishie (3) Lybydose, KRZY, Salvage
Backfire (1) - DeathxShinigami
LunaticMara (1) - pieguy1372
Wojjan (1) - adam2046

Not Voting (10) - Rantai, Lilac, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rolled, Backfire, Jaqennn, KRZY, LadySuburu, Mashley, bmin11

Jaqennn has asked for a replacement.
DeathxShinigami has been prodded.


Edit: Fixed
DeathxShinigami
@Host

Numbers are wrong for Fishie and Salvage.
Mara
So what should we do, if we find Salvage as scum at D2?
Mara
And yes, fuck my Engrish.
Mara
And triple post:

Same question - but replace Salvage with FisHie.
FisHie_old
I don't have any plans for Day 2 so far.
KRZY

fishie wrote:

I don't have any plans for Day 2 so far.
Yeah, cuz we don't know what we're doing for D1 yet.
pieguyn
My gut actually doesn't say LunaticMara anymore. unvote

While I agree Salvage and fishie are suspicious, I have a gut feeling they're not mafia. My gut now says DxS, so vote: DeathxShinigami

Once D2 comes around I'll come up with something more reliable than just a gut vote :?
Rolled
What specifically made your gut change? Is it bipolar?

Actually, going to Vote: pieguy. The gut charade looks kind of forced, and gut votes are pretty much just a waste as nobody has the same gut as you, and you made zero attempt to explain why your gut is leaning in one direction or another.
Rantai
This gut thing again, on top of that voting a lurker aka easy target.

I view voting for lurkers to be something a mafia would do simply because they are such an easy target to take out and yeah gut, you might as well exclaim 'random vote!'

Right now I'm comfortable with either a pieguy or Salvage lynch, leaning Salvage but that might be me still seeing red from the other game.
Lilac
Salvage - Lynched D1 (Mafia Jack-Of-All-Trades)


Not bad, actually...Should have made him a JOAT in Touhou. His character would allow it too.









Also, I don't think that's something that requires a vote, just a suspicion Rolled.

Vote: Mashley. Conformity sucks. You're in the middle of all this somehow, posting yet providing just as little.
Lilac
Don't go Rantai!

Don't make me call you, I will do it.
Rantai
Wait what.
Lilac
You say you usually don't have much time to do discussions since everybody posts when you sleep...

...You can always discuss with me... >w<
Mara
Romantic drama!

I don't see pieguy's gut feelings that scummy, but they are pretty weird indeed.
FisHie_old
Pieguy has seemed weird to me for a while now, can't really tell why though.
Rantai
Oh I see. Well just for reference I am here for another 6 hours.
Salvage
pieguy allways did that gut thing d1 on every single game, i didn't like his Backfire 'random' vote at the beginning of the game tho ..


i'm starting to think you guys should lynch me to learn how to not make stupid decisions also.
Rantai
I am a liar, I have been told that my internet is going to be cut tonight (due to moving)

Best I can do is posting tomorrow afternoon (AEST).
Salvage
unvote
Salvage
also i found this a little odd :

adam2046 wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan
and then wojjan didn't say a word even with the RV already over ..


FoS : Wojjan, adam2046



goin to sleep now cya guys.
adam2046

Salvage wrote:

also i found this a little odd :

adam2046 wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Wojjan
and then wojjan didn't say a word even with the RV already over ..
FoS : Wojjan, adam2046
What?
Maybe try thinking about why I would vote Wojjan. I'm sure the mafia genius Salvage can figure it out.
And does Wojjan have to respond to a single vote? Maybe Wojjan should have roleclaimed, I'm sure that would have worked out great.


Salvage wrote:

i'm starting to think you guys should lynch me to learn how to not make stupid decisions also.

Salvage wrote:

also , don't make me roleclaim d1 guys , seriously?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Yet he roleclaimed anyway.

Funny.
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Backfire has asked for a replacement.
Salvage

adam2046 wrote:

What?
Maybe try thinking about why I would vote Wojjan. I'm sure the mafia genius Salvage can figure it out.
And does Wojjan have to respond to a single vote? Maybe Wojjan should have roleclaimed, I'm sure that would have worked out great.



oooooooh, did i hit mafia here? yay!



vote : adam2046



come on people, if adam flips out mafia then wojjan it's mafia and i'm town .. better option for d1, if somehow you guys do not listen to me and lynch me today ofc i'll flip town and you'll lynch adam tommorrow kthx.
LadySuburu
FoS: DxS

Gets prodded and posts just to correct votecount numbers.
Wojjan

Salvage wrote:

ooooooh, did i hit mafia here? yay!
No. Vote Salvage harder.

Keep trying though.
Wojjan
incidentially though adam that vote (and the past post but that's after the fact) is what made the meta for you work out town in my head. I remember LS' big game where I was a false tree stump, and the playstyle you had there (even though the game was ridiculous) fits the bill.
bmin11
The gut votting is something pieguy does every single mafia game, but I agree that vote is practically yelling "Lets bandwagon that lurker he didn't even responded to the prod ahhh". The other thing I'm feeling uncomfortable was this quote

pieguy1372 wrote:

2. That wasn't a serious HoS

3. That wasn't a serious HoS
You are implying your HoS to not serious at all and you weren't being suspicious of LS (which the claim itself doesn't make sense to start with). It seems to me pieguy really, I mean really by really not wanting any kinds of suspicion over him. He basically overreacted to such early suspicion and I'm getting a scum read from this


Vote: pieguy1372



P.S. Why am I bringing this up now? Because we were too busy discussing over Salvage's guilt and I totally forgot about it.
bmin11
And Salvage, I would have voted you multiple times already if it wasn't for your Tracker/Watcher claim =ㅅ=... This is really painful
Salvage
yea, now that we're probabbly not even gonna do what i suggested i'm gonna die anyways N1 cause i just got 2 mafia, but whatever.
bmin11
OKAY SUPPLY A GOOD REASONING. THAT'S ALL IT REALLY REQUIRES US TO TAKE YOUR POSTS SERIOUSLY
Salvage
Wojjan reacted like if he'd know adam would flip mafia so he would be next .. so now i'm pretty sure they both are mafia, there you have my good reasoning i'd higly appreciate you take my post seriously and follow me now, since that's a way to proove myself also if there is a smart doctor to save me n1.
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