yes every instance of bmin should be KRZY. My mistake

I'm assuming you mean KRZY (the recruiter) and not bmin.

So KRZY recruits salvage.
Salvage watches KRZY.
Unknown doctor protects Salvage.

Roleblocker blocks Salvage.
Mafia kill KRZY.

OMG SALVAGE IS MAFIA CAUSE KRZY DIED

yep I just said that. But are we really gonna fall for that one?

Sure, because what if Salvage REALLY IS MAFIA?!?!?!?

Well whatever, I guess it's a better plan than any other though.

That being, if Salvage really is mafia, the mafia waste their kill by killing KRZY twice to screw with death numbers.

Hell we got plenty of time, please feel free to come up with much better plans.

If Lybydose is correct, KRZY's role will be wasted.

Isn't there anything to block the actual roleblocker?

You can't block a roleblocker.

I mean you'd first have to guess who he is out of all the players, and if you knew that, why not just lynch him instead?

Even if you somehow figure out who it is, roleblocks have equal priority, so he isn't actually blocked.

The best you could do is bus drive him away from the target, but that screws with other things as well.

Ah, right.

Also, I haven't seen Backfire in ages.

I'd advise against it. It just seems too risky to be a good idea. See touhou mafia where I had a similar role and we both ended up killed. (mainly because two blatantly lied, but that's not important)

LunaticMara wrote:

Also, I haven't seen Backfire in ages.

Let me break it down for you bro. Actually, everyone should read this before saying something about "not seeing me"
I get off the computer at 10. I sleep till 7. 7:10 I go to school. I get out at 3:30. I was posting this morning till my phone died, cause I hadnt charged it. I sometimes get a chance to post at 11 or so, since my 4th hour class is computer class ^^;

bmin11 wrote:

KRZY's role seems almost like a cult leader lol

I tought of the same , but i doubt that what he did is a good move if he's really one , cause if he is there is probabbly a Deprogrammer also , and he should've claimed by now. Just an idea anyways ..

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Neighborizer

In essence, the same role as what he claimed, though from what he said I'm guessing it only allows communication with him instead of anyone in the neighborhood.

I don't know if I'm being attacked for inactivity yet, but I just finished a big test so now my time is freed up. Catching up on 15 pages now~~

a likely excuse

Yeah I don't think I am a cult leader, my role PM does not say anything about separate factions, etc. I must be a neighborizer then.

"tl;dr". Never knew someone would actually try to stretch like that with KRZY's claim >_>;;

what do you mean bmin .. i really don't get what you're sayin

t;dr = too lazy, don't read. It means "this isn't suppose to be a serious point"

i know .. i'm talking about the other part of your post.

bmin11 wrote:

Nothing much to say. Salvage was being animask suspicious for the last 10 pages and KRZY's plan can turn into WIFOM quite easily.

You mean by this? I'll revise this. Around "page 7 to page you role claimed". This post was only done so I can show Yellowtail that I'm reading the thread.


editted to correct some typos

i meant : "Never knew someone would actually try to stretch like that with KRZY's claim" , but i got it now np.

I'm just posting to say that I have been following the thread and almost nothing has really popped out at me aside from my previous gut.

KRZY recruiting Salvage and Salvage watching KRZY seems good as long as there's a doctor that can protect KRZY in the case of a nightkill+roleblock. Since we don't know who that is it's highly unlikely the doctor will be roleblocked (though we have to be wary of if there is no doctor), even more so when we take Salvage watching KRZY (unless Salvage is mafia, in which case it's still rather unlikely)

In other words, it's unlikely the plan won't work iff there is a doctor. If KRZY dies, we can infer that there is no doctor, but we can't necessarily tell whether Salvage is mafia. >.<

That said, the only lead I have is Lybydose acting like the plan won't work, when it's highly likely it will (or at least it won't explode even if it doesn't really work).

why would the doctor save KRZY if i'm the one with the aux role here .. i'm gonna die and the recruitment it's gonna go to waste.

This is getting really interesting.
A spy infiltrator and a team recruiter, eh ?
Vote: No-Lynch
Most likely I will change this vote too later on. Maybe...

I do not really have anything to add at this point. Just woke, up my mind is kinda empty.

vote: fishie

no lynch is the worst thing the town could do

Yeah what the hell.

vote: fishie

are you serious? i told you guys about fishie

vote : fishie

FoS: Salvage and KRZY

Fast to bandwagon huh (and of all the people it's the two with the most attention on them >_>).

@fishie, no lynch very very rarely helps on D1. That said I get the feeling he didn't know any better (and if he did what mafia in their right mind would do such a thing?)

Everything comes to WIFOM on D1 so he could've done that to seem like town cause "that's not a thing a mafia guy would do" .. i'm sticking with fishie being mafia, it's a gut but i really think he is lol.

The reasoning here is, is that, that type of voting is much harder to talk your way out of through WIFOM. If his plan was to try and wiggle his way through town's fingers with something like that he's got almost no chance.

That's the way I see it.

This confirms my suspicion.

Vote: Salvage

Just trying to lure out some scummies, mate.
Please die now.

Well i can't see how he didn't know that no-lynch is a nice option for town neither , so in both cases the decision is like highly anti-town imo , your FoS against KRZY and me is also anti-town cause our bandwagon (who merelly got 3 votes) had all the reasons to vote an anti-town action by fishie .. i don't even care to discuss about that anyways cause it's just stupid.

You clearly haven't read the last 7 pages and the plan people came up with
Vote: Fishie

Okay just got ninja'd by fishie, i'm surelly not taking my vote off a guy who's voting a possible townie.

I don't really get what FisHie is trying to do in here, but Salvage doesn't seem to be clean as well.

FoS FisHie & Salvage

I also agree that no-lynch is REALLY dumb D1.

@bmin that plan could fall to bits with the presence of a roleblocker (as stated)

At this moment I'm not buying either story for now and will be going under that assumption because anyone could be lying at this stage, with a plan that is far from being able to produce a definite result.

Oh yeah to add to that plan, you'd have to consider if there is a SK, no doctor, roleblocker, jailkeepers etc etc.

So many possibilities.

It's better than not having any plan at all, actually i'm cool with whatever plan we come with, the thing is that fishie is either a jester or it's just playing awfully since either he's showing himself too much as mafia or being useless as town with every post.


Then LunaticMara seems like trying to fit .. and the rest nothing out of the normal, we have time to get a better plan Rantai, so any ideas will help to build one right now, specially to confirm the already 2 roleclaims d1.

Without forcing other roleclaims, I can't think of any ideas that would clear either of you, which is my problem here. Neither of you would be cleared and we'll go into D2 with a bucket of WIFOM.

In my eyes Salvage is only trying to cover up for himself.
I will not change my vote now.


And I do not really appreciate you guys calling me stupid.

Also, I've never said that no-lynch is a good option...

so you just voted no-lynch knowing it was a bad idea, seems like a smart choice.

Salvage wrote:

Then LunaticMara seems like trying to fit..

I'm actually pretty thin guy, so I can fit anywhere. It's really unhealthy, but OH WELL.

Keep in mind that FisHie is a newbie. It's not a reason to unvote, but I can guarantee you - if he could be a mafia, he wouldn't make such a risky move.

But you also have a point that he can be a jester, which really scares me.

fishie wrote:

Just trying to lure out some scummies

Oh well.
Blame the new guy then, but it'd be better if you'd actually look for a mafia rather than blindly accuse someone.

You know, I tried an almost identical tactic in another game.

But keeping my vote for now.

fishie wrote:

it'd be better if you'd actually look for a mafia rather than blindly accuse someone

Welcome to Day 1.

Gotta get the game started somehow, right ?

The thing is, game was already started by making a plan about using KRZY and Salvage. Did you read the thread at all?

He played atleast 3 mafia games before right there :

Mafia II
Mafia III
Mafia IV

so i don't really understand that no-lynch move.

and what makes you think i'm not looking for mafia fishie? your way to do it really doesn't make sense , you do the most scummy thing doable (since u accept that no-lynch it's not a good choice) and actually think that the guys who bandwagon you are mafia, i can't really see the reason.

FYI, FisHie didn't actually play Mafia II. He was added just for the lulz.

And if you look IV, you can actually se- wait, you don't understand Finnish.

I've played only played 2, Salvage, not 3.

And you are still covering up for yourself.
Proves my point.

Salvage is looking more and more like a lyncher with every post.

are you serious lyby? .. yeah it's not even worth it discussing this sort of things right now since i can't proove i'm not a lyncher other than do what already did roleclaiming.

"fishie is mafia"
"guys fishie is mafia I just know it"
*random roleclaim for no reason*
"I knew fishie was mafia I told you guys!"
"fishie you're totally mafia"

Also, Salvage, I didn't say anything about bandwagons.
They are normal on D1, but you've been suspicious to me for quite some time now.

Lybydose wrote:

Salvage is looking more and more like a lyncher with every post.

Exactly, this is what I have been thinking. He really hates FisHie for some reason. Games Salvage chose actually verifies this. They aren't Hitman, but you need to kill stuff silently in every game you mentioned.

LunaticMara wrote:

in every game you mentioned.

And of course with this I meant Salvage mentioned.

I don't get your point, if you're accusing me of lying about my role i could also have lied about my games .. i'm not lying on anything btw, and i'm not a lyncher but as i stated before, it doesn't matter what i say cause everything could be WIFOM, that's why i'm suggesting to come up with a plan to atleast know i didn't lie about my role or one to clean KRZY , just let's get this moving.

So tell me about these games you chose then.

Who could be this Watcher/Tracker character you mentioned? I'm just curious.

I just sent the games and recieved the role, that doesn't have a name .. it clearly says Spy Infiltrator .. so it isn't a character.

Right. Okay, fine.

Also I saw Lilac here around, but did he post at all..?

This Salvage guys posts make as much sense as a 7 year olds. I say he's mafia. Fishie did something stupid, but stupid =\= mafia.

Crap posts =/= scumtell.

okay now is where i give up with you guys , i'll wait for LS, Rolled, Wojjan or Lybydose to post something interesting cause it's like you prefeer to go backwards.

How cute.

Not everything is plans and schemes unfortunately. Either find a way to prove yourself and not wait for someone else to come saving you or accept the fact that you look scummy to other players.

and work from there*

I didin't mean that i wait for them to "come save" me, i meant that we need to talk in a more productive way, and not about non-sense stuff cause that doesn't help town like at all.

If you stopped confusing townies, we wouldn't have wasted our time >_>...

@LunaticMara
What made you think we received the character's name with the Role PM?

He might've.

I didn't.

I didn't as well

i didnt' confuse anybody but the people who just don't help at all with their post anyways bmin .. in fact we have a lead to start working on d1 because of me and KRZY and we're not in complete blindness on a lynch. LunaticMara, Swift, Backfire and fishie are just distracting town with meaningless stuff .. so i don't care if they're town or anti-town cause they act like the second one.

I didn't get one either, but I don't see anything wrong to have a role with the actual character name.

Salvage wrote:

LunaticMara, Swift, Backfire and fishie are just distracting town with meaningless stuff .. so i don't care if they're town or anti-town cause they act like the second one.

Funny, because I was trying to help you with getting out of your situation. Looks like you didn't need my help at all.

Something interesting.

Don't like fishie at all and voting him for a lynch seems about as good a start as any instead of focusing on a claimed aux. Things of note he did that are very clear scumtells:

1. Did something he said afterwards was a bad idea
2. Pathos with him "don't lynch me look for mafia" thing which underhandedly implies him not being mafia (pretty scummy phrasing is my point)
4. Didn't read the thread and voted Salvage for no reason other than OMGUS.

If fishie is a newbie, he's a newbie that clearly doesn't want to die and gets way too flustered when attention got drawn to him. Usually people who are mafia are like that moreso than townies.

Votefish

..sounds a lot like me on my first mafia game. Hmm.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

..sounds a lot like me on my first mafia game. Hmm.

soulds like you right now too.

Sorry i've been out the whole day yesterday, but now im back for good, so reading the pages i missed and cathing up

Well i have to say i share salvage's point on that we are not getting anywhere and that some people are distracting the discussion. i also dont like fishie but im not sure at all is mafia, what i think is we really have to keep on that plan about KRZY and Salvage, i mean is the only thing we have now and they having rolleclaim are at risk, we should try to save them someway, we are loosing to much time arguiying about fishie

Then what do you suggest we do?

Wojjan wrote:

Don't like fishie... Did something he said afterwards was a bad idea... gets way too flustered when attention got drawn to him.

And when did this happen, if I may ask ?

Cause after salvage rolleclaim you still vote him and IMO he is not mafia, but you keep on saying he just confirm your suspicions, i think you maybe a mafia trying to get him off your back or you just dont read what salvage wrote, its pretty clear to me he (salvage) just plays agressive but is not scum

and there's the part where you vote nolynch and then say that's a bad idea. Why did you vote it in the first place then?

I've already explained all that stuff before.
I do not really care what Salvage thinks about me.

I thought fishie was a lynchee o.o

If he is, I'd think he would be town, but who knows

Im not trying to distract. Im just giving my honest opinion. I think you're mafia, because your posts are cery suspicious and you're trying realllly hard to convince us otherwise. So. Vote : Salvage At the moment, fish MIGHT be mafia but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

So you'll give fishie the benefit of the doubt even tho i roleclaimed an aux role and he's just dragging himself more and more .. okay now if you and fishie are mafia this is gonna be the easiest game ever , and if you're not mafia then you're just bad at helping town.

Still gonna keep my vote on fishie. However, Salvage does give a lot of rather unnecessary talk. Gonna keep my eye on him, and he better produce some results N1.

Can't prod. It's been 36 hours since this post:

Lilac wrote:

The fact is, Salvage always posts like that, regardless of alignment. I've still got my eye on you though.

Oh shit, I am blind part 2. Sorry for that.

Okay, just spent an hour reading this thread and I can now say a lot of you are pretty bad. Fluff it down a little bit with the one sentence posts, please.

Made some notes of posts that caught my eye. Hopefully I can remember my reasoning now that I'm going back and looking at them.

RARGH I SUCK. Hyperlinked the fucking image, not the post Now I need to go through this shithole again. Anyways:

Fishie wrote:

Vote: NoLynchOkay, any experienced player is aware that no lynching is not useful to town 99% of the time. Where this becomes WIFOM-y, however, is ask yourself: Does no lynching sound like a favorable opportunity to mafia, regardless of the player's experience? Anybody who pounces on these players who vote no lynch is immediately suspicious to me, using it as such an easy opportunity to scumpaint. The more experienced the [scumpainting] player, the more suspicious they become. Realize that the ONLY person that will vote for a no lynch is an inexperienced player. Once you realize that, ask yourself, is it more common for an in experienced mafia to vote nolynch, or an inexperienced town? My vote goes for inexperienced town. That said:
FoS: Lyby, Savage, and KRZY, in that order pretty much.

Other than that, I have a mild FoS on Rantai, mostly due to meta (at least in my memory). I remember admiring Rantai's play in one game as pro-town, thinking it was very well thought out it persuaded my opinion a lot in said game. I couldn't even find the game that I'm referencing, so hopefully I'm not mixing you up with another person (maybe akro.. >_>) in which case, sorry for the confusion, but at least that eliminates this FoS ^___^

Okay, the reasoning for the FoS:

Rantai wrote:

Salvage wrote:

adam : i'd rather waste time thinking about more important things , we won't reach anything discussing the probabilty of roles being used when we don't know anything about them yet , glad you start moving things with that vote ^_^.

Really now?

That sounds rather scummy right there, glad to see you don't mind wasting time, as long as it's not around you.

While a huge part of me doesn't trust Salvage at all, this post made Rantai seem like he was grasping at straws to push a Salvage lynch/roleclaim. There were many cases to be argued at that point of the game that pointed in the direction of Salvage being scummy, but the fact that Rantai acknowledged something as small as this struck me as odd. To specify, labeling the "wasting time" bit to be "rather scummy" seems to be pushing it a lot, and looks like scumpainting. While perhaps Salvage could have chosen his words better, in no means do I think that little bit is scummy. If Salvage ends up rolling town, then I will re-instate this FoS on Rantai.

Okay, that's just my attempt to point out some bits of this game I felt were overlooked. I'm here for good now though, did you miss me?

I see where you're saying with the FoS's on anti no-lynchers, but the fact of the matter is that fishie isn't actually inexperienced. Someone already pointed out that he's played 3 games before this one on this site.

That's what I meant by "confusing posts" as the way it was written sounds very scummish, but also seems like he just didn't chose the right wording. I stopped thinking about it after Salvage's role claim, since there's no point of focussing anymore.