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PyP Video Game Mafia [MAFIA+SURVIVOR] - Dr. Hitter Escapes!

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adam2046
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adam2046
Also:

LadySuburu wrote:

Nothing was forced either adam, Salvage claimed early on his own. (After being pretty suspicious and gaining a decent amount of votes.)

xXxSavageManxXx wrote:

GUYS! IF YOU KEEP VOTING ME IMMA GONNA ROLECLAIM

Hairflip58 wrote:

Vote: Salvage
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

adam2046 wrote:

Also:

xXxSavageManxXx wrote:

GUYS! IF YOU KEEP VOTING ME IMMA GONNA ROLECLAIM

Hairflip58 wrote:

Vote: Salvage
Point taken.

It still was his own decision, he barely had half the required votes for a lynch if that.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

LadySuburu wrote:

It still was his own decision, he barely had half the required votes for a lynch if that.
EBWOP: I think, I skimmed the votes.
Salvage
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Salvage
You pretty much know my playstyle LS , and even knowing that you said i was highly suspicious trying to incriminate me. That's why i think you're mafia , but as everyone knows .. conclusions can't be taken D1 that easily .. so either we go with a plan right now or we do nothing and waste a day.
LadySuburu
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Salvage wrote:

You pretty much know my playstyle LS , and even knowing that you said i was highly suspicious trying to incriminate me. That's why i think you're mafia , but as everyone knows .. conclusions can't be taken D1 that easily .. so either we go with a plan right now or we do nothing and waste a day.
So, how do I know your playstyle? If I'm not mistaken I'm in two games with you right now and haven't run into you before. I can only potentially guess that you may be similar to animask, who by the way I also always see as suspicious.

Also, you're right about it being D1. That's why when you and pieguy both were suspicious, I mentioned it. Should I just sit quiet and not mention any of my thoughts about the game? Should I not call attention to anyone that I see as suspicious and just let them do what they're doing? I dunno, but I'm pretty sure it's better than RVS for me to mention these things.
Salvage
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Salvage
so again, i'm scummy for scumhunting .. i'd need to improve it a little bit i guess. And i said you know my playstyle cause i pretty much told you everything i was gonna do and why on WWV.



i still don't know why i get compared to animask, i readed his games before and he's playstyle it's not even close to mine, but whatever .. and i didn't said you should sit quiet, i wasn't doing that exactly neither .. it's too early to come into conclusions right now since we don't have enough information yet.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
"if you vote for me I will roleclaim" is really no reason not to vote someone. Mafia is gonna roleclaim too in that situation.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Salvage wrote:

so again, i'm scummy for scumhunting .. i'd need to improve it a little bit i guess. And i said you know my playstyle cause i pretty much told you everything i was gonna do and why on WWV.
WWG is somewhat different than this, and you were mafia (wolf) in that game.


As for comparing you to animask, it doesn't mean you two play the same. It means that both of you may end up suspicious to me regardless of your role (due to the way you each play, even if different.)

I won't know until this game ends. (Maybe not even then.)
adam2046
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Wojjan wrote:

"if you vote for me I will roleclaim" is really no reason not to vote someone. Mafia is gonna roleclaim too in that situation.
There were better ways to go about it. We didn't need him to roleclaim.
Rantai
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Rantai
Urgh.

That sounded extremely desperate. No idea what to think right now.
Wojjan
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Wojjan

adam2046 wrote:

There were better ways to go about it. We didn't need him to roleclaim.
yes like a no lynch
Mashley
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Mashley
Okay then unvote
Salvage
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Salvage
Whatever , we have something to move on with right now , and start making a plan now , unless there is a strongman on the mafia the doctor can save me and i'll bring some information on the table for d2.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Salvage I'd suggest you self-watch so you can confirm the doctor as town when it comes to that.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
Salvage (1) - foulcoon
Backfire (1) - DeathxShinigami
pieguy1372 (1) - Lybydose
LunaticMara (1) - pieguy1372
Jaqennn (1) - adam2046
Wojjan (1) - bmin11

Not Voting (13) - Rantai, LunaticMara, fishie, Lilac, Salvage, Swiftwolf Yellowtail, Rolled, Mashley, Wojjan, Backfire, Jaqennn, KRZY, LadySuburu

Clarifications:
1) You may not target yourself in regards to actions.
2) Unvoting isn't required but appreciated.

Edit: Modified clarification to be more specific.
Last edited by NoHitter , edited 2 times in total.
Salvage
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Salvage
nvm
Salvage
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Salvage
^

Edited that post cause i tought i had a vote on swift but i forgot i unvoted him.
foulcoon
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NoHItter wrote:

Clarifications:
1) You may not target yourself.
is this true for all roles, or was this in regards to voting. if you were addressing wojjan's suggestion did you just confirm salvage as spy infiltrator? lol

also shut up adam. read his posts, its not like he was being attacked as an innocent. he was acting like an arrogant asshat calling people bad at mafia, and accusing multiple people with no information to go on. there is a difference between an FoS and saying "X is mafia".
NoHitter
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foulcoon wrote:

is this true for all roles, or was this in regards to voting.
This is referring to all roles with applicable actions.
Jaqennn
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Jaqennn
wow! just got back from college and you guys have had quite a talk and salvage already rolleclaim, im kinda lost now, everyone is playing agressive, but we still are on d1
KRZY
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KRZY
hey, a roleclaim.

roleclaim: team recruiter

This is probably because I sent in Pro Evolution Soccer as my first choice. I can choose a player at night and gain day/night talking privileges with that player. If said player is scum, I die.

Basically I can target Salvage at night and see if his claims are true. If, for some reason, I end up dead the next day, you know who to vote.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
That narrows things down a bit.
Wojjan
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KRZY wrote:

hey, a roleclaim.

roleclaim: team recruiter

This is probably because I sent in Pro Evolution Soccer as my first choice. I can choose a player at night and gain day/night talking privileges with that player. If said player is scum, I die.

Basically I can target Salvage at night and see if his claims are true. If, for some reason, I end up dead the next day, you know who to vote.
unless of course if you get nightkilled!

go KRZY you're just on a roll today aren't you
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..oh wow, now that I think about it, Wojjan's right.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Lurkers (bmin and Jaquennn): Thoughts on this situation?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..EBWODP:
(bmin and Jaquennn)
should be
(bmin, Lybydose and Jaquennn)
because even though he's not showing up, that doesn't mean he's not here.
KRZY
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Wojjan wrote:

unless of course if you get nightkilled!
With a potential watcher/tracker/whatever present? I think not.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Don't forget about protectors!
bmin11
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bmin11
You shouldn't pull that lurker thing against us, because Lyby and I are also playing another mafia game (PyP touhou mafia).

Nothing much to say. Salvage was being animask suspicious for the last 10 pages and KRZY's plan can turn into WIFOM quite easily.


tl;dr
KRZY's role seems almost like a cult leader lol
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I'm only doing this because I don't want people to just post in one thread and seemingly ignore the other. (ie: Pretending you didn't notice this thread at all)
Lybydose
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All of this is unlikely to lead to any positive results if there is a roleblocker.
Wojjan
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well since there's no selfwatching, Salvage be on bmin, bmin be on slavage, doc be on salvage. Sounds good?
bmin11
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bmin11
what?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
"What" what?
Lybydose
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Lybydose
I think he means KRZY.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
EWBONINJA: Lyby I don't see why a roleblocker would do anything. If bmin says "yo shit didn't go through" and salvage was on him salvage has the roleblocker down. If salvage gets blocked and bmin gets killed I guess that screws shit up, but even then I don't know why maf would keep watchertracker alive and go for the mason.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
yes every instance of bmin should be KRZY. My mistake
Lybydose
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I'm assuming you mean KRZY (the recruiter) and not bmin.

So KRZY recruits salvage.
Salvage watches KRZY.
Unknown doctor protects Salvage.

Roleblocker blocks Salvage.
Mafia kill KRZY.

OMG SALVAGE IS MAFIA CAUSE KRZY DIED
Wojjan
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Wojjan
yep I just said that. But are we really gonna fall for that one?
Lybydose
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Sure, because what if Salvage REALLY IS MAFIA?!?!?!?

Well whatever, I guess it's a better plan than any other though.
Lybydose
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That being, if Salvage really is mafia, the mafia waste their kill by killing KRZY twice to screw with death numbers.
KRZY
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Hell we got plenty of time, please feel free to come up with much better plans.
Mara
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Mara
If Lybydose is correct, KRZY's role will be wasted.

Isn't there anything to block the actual roleblocker?
Lybydose
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You can't block a roleblocker.

I mean you'd first have to guess who he is out of all the players, and if you knew that, why not just lynch him instead?

Even if you somehow figure out who it is, roleblocks have equal priority, so he isn't actually blocked.

The best you could do is bus drive him away from the target, but that screws with other things as well.
Mara
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Mara
Ah, right.
Mara
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Mara
Also, I haven't seen Backfire in ages.
Mashley
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Mashley
I'd advise against it. It just seems too risky to be a good idea. See touhou mafia where I had a similar role and we both ended up killed. (mainly because two blatantly lied, but that's not important)
Backfire
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LunaticMara wrote:

Also, I haven't seen Backfire in ages.
Let me break it down for you bro. Actually, everyone should read this before saying something about "not seeing me"
I get off the computer at 10. I sleep till 7. 7:10 I go to school. I get out at 3:30. I was posting this morning till my phone died, cause I hadnt charged it. I sometimes get a chance to post at 11 or so, since my 4th hour class is computer class ^^;
Salvage
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bmin11 wrote:

KRZY's role seems almost like a cult leader lol


I tought of the same , but i doubt that what he did is a good move if he's really one , cause if he is there is probabbly a Deprogrammer also , and he should've claimed by now. Just an idea anyways ..
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Neighborizer

In essence, the same role as what he claimed, though from what he said I'm guessing it only allows communication with him instead of anyone in the neighborhood.
Rolled
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Rolled
I don't know if I'm being attacked for inactivity yet, but I just finished a big test so now my time is freed up. Catching up on 15 pages now~~
foulcoon
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foulcoon
a likely excuse
KRZY
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Yeah I don't think I am a cult leader, my role PM does not say anything about separate factions, etc. I must be a neighborizer then.
bmin11
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"tl;dr". Never knew someone would actually try to stretch like that with KRZY's claim >_>;;
Salvage
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Salvage
what do you mean bmin .. i really don't get what you're sayin
bmin11
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bmin11
t;dr = too lazy, don't read. It means "this isn't suppose to be a serious point"
Salvage
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Salvage
i know .. i'm talking about the other part of your post.
bmin11
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bmin11 wrote:

Nothing much to say. Salvage was being animask suspicious for the last 10 pages and KRZY's plan can turn into WIFOM quite easily.
You mean by this? I'll revise this. Around "page 7 to page you role claimed". This post was only done so I can show Yellowtail that I'm reading the thread.


editted to correct some typos
Salvage
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Salvage
i meant : "Never knew someone would actually try to stretch like that with KRZY's claim" , but i got it now np.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I'm just posting to say that I have been following the thread and almost nothing has really popped out at me aside from my previous gut.

KRZY recruiting Salvage and Salvage watching KRZY seems good as long as there's a doctor that can protect KRZY in the case of a nightkill+roleblock. Since we don't know who that is it's highly unlikely the doctor will be roleblocked (though we have to be wary of if there is no doctor), even more so when we take Salvage watching KRZY (unless Salvage is mafia, in which case it's still rather unlikely)

In other words, it's unlikely the plan won't work iff there is a doctor. If KRZY dies, we can infer that there is no doctor, but we can't necessarily tell whether Salvage is mafia. >.<

That said, the only lead I have is Lybydose acting like the plan won't work, when it's highly likely it will (or at least it won't explode even if it doesn't really work).
Salvage
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Salvage
why would the doctor save KRZY if i'm the one with the aux role here .. i'm gonna die and the recruitment it's gonna go to waste.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
This is getting really interesting.
A spy infiltrator and a team recruiter, eh ?
Vote: No-Lynch
Most likely I will change this vote too later on. Maybe...

I do not really have anything to add at this point. Just woke, up my mind is kinda empty.
Lybydose
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vote: fishie

no lynch is the worst thing the town could do
KRZY
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KRZY
Yeah what the hell.

vote: fishie
Salvage
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Salvage
are you serious? i told you guys about fishie

vote : fishie
Rantai
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FoS: Salvage and KRZY

Fast to bandwagon huh (and of all the people it's the two with the most attention on them >_>).

@fishie, no lynch very very rarely helps on D1. That said I get the feeling he didn't know any better (and if he did what mafia in their right mind would do such a thing?)
Salvage
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Salvage
Everything comes to WIFOM on D1 so he could've done that to seem like town cause "that's not a thing a mafia guy would do" .. i'm sticking with fishie being mafia, it's a gut but i really think he is lol.
Rantai
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The reasoning here is, is that, that type of voting is much harder to talk your way out of through WIFOM. If his plan was to try and wiggle his way through town's fingers with something like that he's got almost no chance.

That's the way I see it.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
This confirms my suspicion.

Vote: Salvage

Just trying to lure out some scummies, mate.
Please die now. :)
Salvage
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Well i can't see how he didn't know that no-lynch is a nice option for town neither , so in both cases the decision is like highly anti-town imo , your FoS against KRZY and me is also anti-town cause our bandwagon (who merelly got 3 votes) had all the reasons to vote an anti-town action by fishie .. i don't even care to discuss about that anyways cause it's just stupid.
bmin11
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You clearly haven't read the last 7 pages and the plan people came up with
Vote: Fishie
Salvage
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Salvage
Okay just got ninja'd by fishie, i'm surelly not taking my vote off a guy who's voting a possible townie.
Mara
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Mara
I don't really get what FisHie is trying to do in here, but Salvage doesn't seem to be clean as well.

FoS FisHie & Salvage
Mara
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I also agree that no-lynch is REALLY dumb D1.
Rantai
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@bmin that plan could fall to bits with the presence of a roleblocker (as stated)

At this moment I'm not buying either story for now and will be going under that assumption because anyone could be lying at this stage, with a plan that is far from being able to produce a definite result.
Rantai
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Oh yeah to add to that plan, you'd have to consider if there is a SK, no doctor, roleblocker, jailkeepers etc etc.

So many possibilities.
Salvage
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Salvage
It's better than not having any plan at all, actually i'm cool with whatever plan we come with, the thing is that fishie is either a jester or it's just playing awfully since either he's showing himself too much as mafia or being useless as town with every post.


Then LunaticMara seems like trying to fit .. and the rest nothing out of the normal, we have time to get a better plan Rantai, so any ideas will help to build one right now, specially to confirm the already 2 roleclaims d1.
Rantai
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Rantai
Without forcing other roleclaims, I can't think of any ideas that would clear either of you, which is my problem here. Neither of you would be cleared and we'll go into D2 with a bucket of WIFOM.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
In my eyes Salvage is only trying to cover up for himself.
I will not change my vote now.


And I do not really appreciate you guys calling me stupid. :(
FisHie_old
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Also, I've never said that no-lynch is a good option...
Salvage
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Salvage
so you just voted no-lynch knowing it was a bad idea, seems like a smart choice.
Mara
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Salvage wrote:

Then LunaticMara seems like trying to fit..
I'm actually pretty thin guy, so I can fit anywhere. It's really unhealthy, but OH WELL.

Keep in mind that FisHie is a newbie. It's not a reason to unvote, but I can guarantee you - if he could be a mafia, he wouldn't make such a risky move.

But you also have a point that he can be a jester, which really scares me.
FisHie_old
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fishie wrote:

Just trying to lure out some scummies
Oh well.
Blame the new guy then, but it'd be better if you'd actually look for a mafia rather than blindly accuse someone.
KRZY
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KRZY
You know, I tried an almost identical tactic in another game.

But keeping my vote for now.
Mara
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Mara

fishie wrote:

it'd be better if you'd actually look for a mafia rather than blindly accuse someone
Welcome to Day 1.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
Gotta get the game started somehow, right ?
Mara
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Mara
The thing is, game was already started by making a plan about using KRZY and Salvage. Did you read the thread at all?
Salvage
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Salvage
He played atleast 3 mafia games before right there :

Mafia II
Mafia III
Mafia IV

so i don't really understand that no-lynch move.
Salvage
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Salvage
and what makes you think i'm not looking for mafia fishie? your way to do it really doesn't make sense , you do the most scummy thing doable (since u accept that no-lynch it's not a good choice) and actually think that the guys who bandwagon you are mafia, i can't really see the reason.
Mara
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Mara
FYI, FisHie didn't actually play Mafia II. He was added just for the lulz.

And if you look IV, you can actually se- wait, you don't understand Finnish.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
I've played only played 2, Salvage, not 3.

And you are still covering up for yourself.
Proves my point.
Lybydose
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Salvage is looking more and more like a lyncher with every post.
Salvage
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Salvage
are you serious lyby? .. yeah it's not even worth it discussing this sort of things right now since i can't proove i'm not a lyncher other than do what already did roleclaiming.
Lybydose
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"fishie is mafia"
"guys fishie is mafia I just know it"
*random roleclaim for no reason*
"I knew fishie was mafia I told you guys!"
"fishie you're totally mafia"
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
Also, Salvage, I didn't say anything about bandwagons.
They are normal on D1, but you've been suspicious to me for quite some time now.
Mara
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Mara

Lybydose wrote:

Salvage is looking more and more like a lyncher with every post.
Exactly, this is what I have been thinking. He really hates FisHie for some reason. Games Salvage chose actually verifies this. They aren't Hitman, but you need to kill stuff silently in every game you mentioned.
Mara
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Mara

LunaticMara wrote:

in every game you mentioned.
And of course with this I meant Salvage mentioned.
Salvage
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Salvage
I don't get your point, if you're accusing me of lying about my role i could also have lied about my games .. i'm not lying on anything btw, and i'm not a lyncher but as i stated before, it doesn't matter what i say cause everything could be WIFOM, that's why i'm suggesting to come up with a plan to atleast know i didn't lie about my role or one to clean KRZY , just let's get this moving.
Mara
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So tell me about these games you chose then.

Who could be this Watcher/Tracker character you mentioned? I'm just curious.
Salvage
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Salvage
I just sent the games and recieved the role, that doesn't have a name .. it clearly says Spy Infiltrator .. so it isn't a character.
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