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Rantai
Well, I'm not sure what to make of it.

On one hand you're right it's not helping town at all, on the other hand repeating what others say to 'say something' isn't too helpful either.

Though it would be nice to hear opinions.
Chris_old
I think we need to lynch someone who's inactive, they aren't bringing anything to the game anyways
LadySuburu

Gabi wrote:

Posting here before i go to sleep.

That said, i'm going to unvote. Will continue when i wake up tomorrow
17 hours ago.

I don't really like the Lynch all Lurkers policy style play, but I've got nothing better right now and I've started to get a little annoyed by lurkers over the past few games.

Still, I'm going to reread over what we have in the thread and hope I find something.
Chris_old

LadySuburu wrote:

I don't really like the Lynch all Lurkers policy style play, but I've got nothing better right now and I've started to get a little annoyed by lurkers over the past few games.
Usually I wouldn't either, except the only thing that's happened so far is Two and Mashley's N1 plan.

No one has really talked about anything else other than Two's claim, which led to that.

It's pretty much the only option I can see, and even after calling most of these people out they've still yet to post
KRZY
anyone willing to roleclaim? make this interesting please
Two_old
unvote, vote KRZY

please don't tell me you're going to let this one slide
KRZY
Two seems intent on getting me out of the frame.

Vote: Two
Two_old
you seem intent on dying

since your two posts on this page are the most anti town things you can do

grats
Chris_old
why would you vote for two when they're basically confirmed town
Salvage
How's Two confirmed town now? Wasn't his plan to make him so? .. Oh god Two how i envy you and your persuasion powers , people already trusting him already on d1, cool.
Wojjan
The fact that he concocted on his own a plan to make his alignment confirmed means that he has nothing to hide: tonight's plan will confirm two as either town or mafia, and a mafia member would avoid that attention.

vote: KRZY I mean what the hell. If you read that and aren't voting KRZY yet I'm gonna have Two shout at you a lot until you do.
Chris_old

Salvage wrote:

How's Two confirmed town now? Wasn't his plan to make him so? .. Oh god Two how i envy you and your persuasion powers , people already trusting him already on d1, cool.
Maybe confirmed was too strong of a word, but come D2 he should be.

assuming Mashley is hides behind him, and Mashley isn't Mafia and isn't lying about hider anyways

I doubt he is though

but it's possible they are both mafia lol, which is even more unlikely
Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

I'm gonna have Two shout at you a lot until you do.
omg whyyyyy

whenever you rub against me like a cat I think you're mafia
Mashley
Vote KRZY
you mad that the one roleclaim is a role you can't nightkill?
bmin11

KRZY wrote:

anyone willing to roleclaim? make this interesting please

Two wrote:

Anyone want to claim aux anyway? Just one person please.
I don't see much difference between these quotes. They were both asking for a role claim if we go to the basis. Ofcourse, Two shows better intention by saying "just one person please", but you can't entirely say KRZY's would be anti-town move as you guys were pressuring the fuck out of us as if we were students who could not finish their homework. Or do you guys seriously need more posts saying "Ya I agree" with a wall of texts? Or do you think you can force a good idea by wagging the person's neck like you guys did? (and calling that as a pro-town actions as well). I think you guys are overreacting against lurkers for D1 while there are nothing but few to talk about.


That's that. Can't lie that OMGUS vote looked awfully terrible. I'll vote after he posts something he would want to say about his actions

Unvote for this useless RV I sticked with.
Wojjan
hi gabi do a trick
come on boy do a trick
Salvage
vote : Gabi


Yeah , just look at the thread and keep lurkin.
Lybydose

Salvage wrote:

How's Two confirmed town now? Wasn't his plan to make him so? .. Oh god Two how i envy you and your persuasion powers , people already trusting him already on d1, cool.
are you even reading the thread? Two is not actually confirmed town right now, but will either be confirmed mafia or town after the first night. Since it would be utterly stupid for a mafia to do such a gambit that would confirm him as mafia like that, chances are very high that he is town.
Lybydose
So basically anyone attacking or questioning Two right now is not acting in the town's best interests.

unvote, vote: KRZY

FoS: Salvage
Salvage

Lybydose wrote:

Salvage wrote:

How's Two confirmed town now? Wasn't his plan to make him so? .. Oh god Two how i envy you and your persuasion powers , people already trusting him already on d1, cool.
are you even reading the thread? Two is not actually confirmed town right now, but will either be confirmed mafia or town after the first night. Since it would be utterly stupid for a mafia to do such a gambit that would confirm him as mafia like that, chances are very high that he is town.

are you even reading my posts? Chris said "Why vote for two if he's confirmed town" , and he is not confirmed town as i stated in my post , he could be tommorrow as he couldn't be it (and yes it sounds stupid to make such a plan being mafia but who knows) , i was just correcting Chris .. i really don't understand your way to think Lyby , pay more attention pls.
Wojjan

Lybydose wrote:

So basically anyone attacking or questioning Two right now is not acting in the town's best interests.
Well no because they could technically both be mafia. Unless the mod pops in to say "yo sup Two is town" you don't take that for granted.

I'm not saying he isn't though. Two is so protown he can't pro any harder. Just saying that definitely in Salvage's case I'm gonna give him the benefit of being a maybe-skeptic.
Raging Bull
Nothing much too say although I do like to see Two explain what bmin quoted.

Vote: KRZY
Raging Bull
Not sure about editing posts...so

FoS:Gabi Saw him lurking for like 10 minutes here and still no posts ._.
Gabi

Wojjan wrote:

hi gabi do a trick
come on boy do a trick
I don't want to. If Two is protown right now, and KRZY is showing signs of him being anti-town my vote will have to go for him.

Vote : KRZY
Lilac
Votecount:

KRZY (5) - Two, Wojjan, Mashley, Lybydose, Gabi

Gabi (3) - akrolsmir, Salvage, Raging Bull
Lybydose (2) - animask, Salvage
JInxyjem (1) - 0_o
Wojjan (1) - Jinxyjem
Quaraezha (1) - Chris
Two (1) - KRZY
Salvage (1) - Rolled

Not Voting: Rantai, Quaraezha, LadySuburu.
Salvage
what , oh sorry


unvote Lybydose


Didn't realize i had a vote already.
Chris_old
unvote, Vote Gabi

posts again and still doesn't even bother to do anything but vote, wow
Two_old
krzy actually has 6 votes right
Rolled
Voting KRZY as well. Just bandwagoning since I'm always here late.

One more 1500 word paper due this week zzzzzz
Rolled
actually unvote. I want to give him a chance to respond without potentially hammering. Not sure how many hours are left in the day at all really.

FoS KRZY, though.
Gabi

Chris wrote:

unvote, Vote Gabi

posts again and still doesn't even bother to do anything but vote, wow
What exactly do you expect me to do except for voting?
Two_old
generate discussion

for example, you can point out any observations you've made

attack people

defend people

speculate about the setup

the possibilities are endless
Chris_old

Gabi wrote:

What exactly do you expect me to do except for voting?
more than this

hi

Vote : Raging Bull

THEN

Posting here before i go to sleep.

That said, i'm going to unvote. Will continue when i wake up tomorrow

THEN

I don't want to. If Two is protown right now, and KRZY is showing signs of him being anti-town my vote will have to go for him.

Vote : KRZY
post your thoughts/opinions on stuff, every post you've made has just been to vote or unvote, have you even read the thread?
Gabi
Ah well, i have to admit this is my first mafia game, i didn't think people would be so agressive on the first day. But at the moment i dont really have anything to add and my vote stays where it is. Allthough i would like to see KRZY defend himself.

And yes i have read the thread.
Salvage
Yeah , the it's my first game thing doesn't really work here , it's my first game also and i'm not lurking the shit out of the thread , if you really are town then help town , don't act like mafia or u'll be voted as such.
Salvage
Actually it's my second game , whatever.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount:

KRZY (6) - Two, Wojjan, Mashley, Lybydose, Raging Bull, Gabi
Gabi (3) - akrolsmir, Salvage, Chris
JInxyjem (1) - 0_o
Salvage (1) - Rolled
Lybydose (1) - animask
Wojjan (1) - Jinxyjem
Two (1) - KRZY

10 votes are required to lynch.
0_o
Sorry, I think I've overcommitted myself with my current workload, I'm gonna drop out of this one.

gogogo Kiddo-kun
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Waiting for a confirmation from Kiddo-kun...
LadySuburu
I'm basically waiting for KRZY to respond, but I'm kinda doubting he will at this point.
Two_old
the second bandwagon forming kind of makes me think we hit oil
Salvage
why's that i'd like to hear smart two.
akrolsmir

Gabi wrote:

I don't want to. If Two is protown right now, and KRZY is showing signs of him being anti-town my vote will have to go for him.
Vote : KRZY
Oh come on bandwagon harder.

Gabi wrote:

Ah well, i have to admit this is my first mafia game, i didn't think people would be so agressive on the first day. But at the moment i dont really have anything to add and my vote stays where it is. Allthough i would like to see KRZY defend himself.
Town doesn't win by being passive.

I'll keep my vote where it is, though if KRZY continues to remain silent I'll probably have to switch.
Lybydose

Salvage wrote:

why's that i'd like to hear smart two.
mafia logic: "oh shit they're bandwagoning one of our members quick bandwagon someone else they'll never know"
Salvage
So you're saying that Gabi's playstyle isn't scummy at all? .. i personally voted him cause i find it way scummier than KRZY .. i'm not saying he's post isn't scummy at all cause it kinda is , but Gabi doesn't even want to help town and it's posting useless stuff, that's my reason atleast.
Lybydose
no I never said that, but KRZY is scummier than Gabi at the moment
Chris_old

Lybydose wrote:

mafia logic: "oh shit they're bandwagoning one of our members quick bandwagon someone else they'll never know"
it also works the other way, "oh look a bandwagon is forming let's hop on it"

I'm waiting for krzy to respond like everybody else, the only thing that struck me as odd is everyone instantly jumping on the bandwagon after Two voted for them <-- trying to associate themselves with the most confirmed town
Chris_old
also can we get a correct votecount cause both of the last ones have been wrong~
Topic Starter
pieguyn
really? o.o // I've gone through everything twice and that votecount seems right. I probably just suck at hosting = =
Rantai
Mod: How much time is left?

I'd say wait at least 24 hours (if there is 24 hours left) from his (KRZY) last post before assuming he won't post again. I've been in plenty of situations where I post right before sleeping/going to uni etc then wake up/come back to find that stupid choices have been made.

Vote: Salvage

Unneeded aggression towards newbie lurkers (seriously there is a difference between pressure to get them into a productive state and "I'm better than you" attitudes) and an omgus vote that seemed to just slide under the table. Now, you may disagree with me but I really don't like the way you're posting.
Rantai
*useless post*

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Oh come on guys. I might as well point everyone who doesn't post as lurkers :P

Edit: Friendly jab at the invisible browsing mode.
LadySuburu

Rantai wrote:

*useless post*

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Oh come on guys. I might as well point everyone who doesn't post as lurkers :P
Completely unrelated to the game:

Users browsing this forum: Rantai and 33 guests

Wut.

Is there a storm of some sort brewing?
Raging Bull
Uhhh. They're all gone.

Users browsing this forum: Raging Bull and 0 guests
Jinxy
Well, KRZY has some explaining to do, and Gabi, well, he's new but I do expect some opinions from him soon.

I'll decide when KRZY explains his actions, so for now unvote
Lilac
I'm think there's around two days left. According to pieguy, anyway.
Salvage
@Rantai : I'm sorry , seems like i'm just building my playstyle and i'm being influenced by Two a lot D:
Topic Starter
pieguyn
As of this post there is 37:58 left
Quaraezha
What are the vote countss?
Also, away from home, so no internet.
Currently at Internet Cafe
Lybydose

Quaraezha wrote:

What are the vote countss?
Also, away from home, so no internet.
Currently at Internet Cafe
usually even at the Internet Cafe you can click the previous page(s) and read the vote count
Chris_old
I'll give KRZY until the end of the day to say ANYTHING before he gets my vote

if he doesn't he's worse than Gabi because at least they respond
KRZY
lol sorry had a calc exam today and was preparing for that for the past day. You can ask bmin and he will confirm that I was absent from #korean all day yesterday also.

lemme post something in a moment



edit: ok here goes.

KRZY's view of events

1. Two played a strong card, which would confirm him as either a town or a mafia after N1.

2. The general consensus (well, not general, but the general expressed consensus) was that Two was town. (This, as a couple of people have explained, is because if Two was mafia, he wouldn't do such a risky thing.)

3. I was generally bored by the lack of progress after Two and Mashley, and ask for a roleclaim.

4. Somehow that makes me very Mafia, and Two votes for me.

5. Here I throw a bait, voting for Two and thinking the first person to really actively jump on the would-be bandwagon started by Two is likely to be Mafia, willing to get an easy free lynch on D1.

6. Then I figure out that you don't have to be Mafia to start the bandwagon; after all, I look so much like the Mafia by voting Two. Bait was too strong to be called a bait anymore.

7. Shit goes wrong.



I know this sounds like the classic "cool story bro" instance, but that's what happened in my point of view. I'm not a particularly skilled Mafia game player, and I still don't understand why asking for that roleclaim made Two vote for me. But I do understand one thing: town, and I, have a better chance of winning if one of its members is not lynched D1.

I also don't understand why lurking and saying nothing is that bad of a thing to do. Maybe it's because being passive doesn't help at all?

Now my course of action would be to vote whoever really jumped quick on the bandwagon, because

5. Here I throw a bait, voting for Two and thinking the first person to really actively jump on the would-be bandwagon started by Two is likely to be Mafia, willing to get an easy free lynch on D1.
but there is so many :S

Unvote for now.
Two_old
hard to believe that you were just baiting mafia when you, right before that, were asking people to harm town's chances by roleclaiming

not to mention that your vote for me seemed much more reactionary than pre-meditated
KRZY

Two wrote:

when you, right before that, were asking people to harm town's chances by roleclaiming

Yes this is the part where I don't understand, why does asking to roleclaim harm the town's chances?
Two_old
someone else can take the reigns for that one, for I am far too lazy
Wojjan
People who roleclaim shouldn't do so unless they can find a way to work around getting nightkilled. If someone claims cop on D1, without a doc he'll be sure to go N1.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Kiddo-kun replaces 0_o

Deadline is in 28:51 hours.

Votecount:

KRZY (6) - Two, Wojjan, Mashley, Lybydose, Raging Bull, Gabi
Gabi (3) - akrolsmir, Salvage, Chris
Salvage (2) - Rolled, Rantai
JInxyjem (1) - 0_o
Lybydose (1) - animask

10 votes are required to lynch.
Rolled
Unvote

I believe what KRZY has to say, and think that his mistakes were more so due to inexperience than a scum alliance. I do request that you become more active, which you seem to be on the right track. A non-talkative townie does not benefit the town whatsoever.

I know this goes against what wojjan just told you, but the reality we are in right now is you are going to be lynched unless you claim an aux role. So if you're valuable to town, it's best to let it be known right now.

Vote: Quarazeeaagha for regular old voting for quararza reasons.
Two_old

Rolled wrote:

the reality we are in right now is you are going to be lynched unless you claim an aux role. So if you're valuable to town, it's best to let it be known right now.
unvote, vote rolled
bmin11
Vote: Rolled
We still have 28 hours left
Rolled
I have never been lynched while being pro-town.

Can you guys fuck off please.

I'm helping a newbie.
Two_old
no actually you're trying to make town lose

why you would do that as "pro-town" is anyone's guess
Rolled
Okay, let's WIFOM it up.

If KRZY is mafia, and I am mafia, why would I put my neck out on the chopping block for trying to save him last minute, when it's highly unlikely that somebody other than him will be lynched?

If I'm mafia, and KRZY is town, why would I go out of my way to rolefish, when he's bound to be lynched anyway?

Like I said, you guys have distilled the thought in KRZY's mind that announcing your role is a bad idea. However, I will be pissed off if we lose a power role just because he thinks he's not supposed to roleclaim. Just helping him out.
Chris_old
I don't understand what was so bad about what he posted

pls explain it to me
Rolled
Two's a retard, and bmin's mafia.
Rolled
Also, invisibility should be illegal in mafia games.

ijs
Two_old
Trying to have an aux role claim, specifically a player who you described yourself as inexperienced, at a point where we already have two of them exposed is about as anti-town as you can get. Only way you can get more anti town is if you voted for me like KRZY did.

The difference between him and you, though, is that you should know better.
Rolled
Why are you completely neglecting my last post.

As I said, he's bound to die. If he has an aux role, the only way to prevent losing him would to have him claim.

Why the fuck would I rolefish when he's about to die? You make no sense.
Two_old
how is he bound to die? he isn't even close to being lynched and we have more than enough time left for him not to be the majority

I thank you for your noble sacrifice
Rolled
Okay, get serious. He has 6 votes with 24 hours remaining in the day. Only like 7 different people have posted in the last 24 hours, let alone voted. You are suggesting he is not most likely to be lynched? You should know better.

Wojjan wrote:

People who roleclaim shouldn't do so unless they can find a way to work around getting nightkilled.
What Wojjan said is very true, however one thing that was not mentioned: When you're about to be nightkilled, and you possess a powerrole, fucking tell us. This is something that KRZY, as a new player, may not have known. I bit on the line that he has cast, and I'm giving him a chance to prove himself as town before it's too late. If you weren't so egotistical, you will realize that your vote for me was hasty, and you'd revoke it. You know just as well as I do that there is 0 reason for me to make the move that I did had I been mafia, before I WIFOM'd the shit out of it now.
Two_old
it's easy to say you wouldn't do it as mafia, but really doing bold things like that is the perfect way to be mafia, since it's so bold you "couldn't" be

the fact is you are acting just like foulcoon did in wwg, and he was a wolf

it's remarkable
Rolled
Well that's weird, just a few minutes ago you insulted my play, thus concluding I'm mafia. Now you're saying if I made that move as mafia, it'd be "bold" and playing perfectly.

You're the one with holes in your story. Looking forward to seeing what happens to Mashley D2 ^__^
Two_old
I'm saying it's such a mafia move that it becomes town, which is a good move to make if you're mafia. I'm not sure why you didn't notice the fact that KRZY got votes on him for doing the exact same thing, sans voting for me. Maybe because you aren't checking posts as thoroughly, I mean you don't have to if you know who the mafia are.
Rolled
Please autograph that picture for me once you're done scumpainting.

What I did is nowhere near comparable to what KRZY did. He blatantly asked anybody to roleclaim when there was no reason to, in an attempt to spark discussion. He obviously did not realize that doing so is basically asking for lynch votes, hence it's more of a mistake than scummy behavior. What I did was ask KRZY to roleclaim once he was placed on death row, informing him that it is the only way to save himself at this point in time. I also support my reasoning with his semi-textwall, as it did not appear to be horribly scummy from my perspective. Generally in PyP games, especially one based on touhou, it is unlikely for many vanilla roles to be floating around. It is very possible that KRZY possesses a role that will be valuable to town later in the game.

I'm not eliminating the chance that KRZY is mafia, I'm simply giving him an opportunity to defend himself.
LadySuburu
My view of what just happened: Two's being stupid assuming he's town (which will be proven or not tonight), Rolled told a new player to claim before they get lynched since the thread is going slow and we're getting close to deadline. There's absolutely nothing scummy about that since it doesn't seem that votes are going to be changed at all.
KRZY
Under some personal mooting and Rolled's advice...

Roleclaim: voyeur

Yes I can choose a person each night and see what actions were done to him/her.










is mooting even a good word
Lybydose
unvote

KRZY watch Two tonight
Rolled
What Touhou character came equipped with voyeur role?

Not that I know shit about touhou.
akrolsmir

KRZY wrote:

is mooting even a good word
Reason #23 to play mafia: get taught English by a Korean o.O
---

About this whole Rolled business: It's doubtful both Rolled and KRZY are scum, since if that was so he could have just told him to claim through their mafia thread, there'd be no advantage in saying so privately rather than publicly. If Rolled was scum and KRZY was town, he probably wouldn't bother to try and protect KRZY. I'm thinking Rolled is town, and whatever KRZY is we shouldn't be lynching him today based on his claim.

@Lybydose- I think Two specifically stated he didn't want any aux's targeting him?

Rolled wrote:

What Touhou character came equipped with voyeur role?

Not that I know shit about touhou.
I was just going to ask that myself.
Lybydose
he didn't want protection roles targeting him

having a voyeur watching will confirm if he was targeted by a Hider
Raging Bull
After reading what Rolled said I think I'll unvote.
bmin11
Wouldn't a watcher the right role name for such ability? and Aya seems to be the most likeliest to have such ability as well (she's a reporter).
Lybydose
no.

A watcher determines who (also) targeted his target. He does not learn what was done to the person
A voyeur determines what was done to his target (ie, protected or roleblocked or watched or cop investigation), but not who did it
bmin11
Oh I see. Thank you.
Rolled

bmin11 wrote:

Wouldn't a watcher the right role name for such ability? and Aya seems to be the most likeliest to have such ability as well (she's a reporter).
Did you really just give KRZY a possible character that is likely to be a voyeur? I asked KRZY to supply the character because there is a chance he's bullshitting, and the fact that he did not include a character name in his roleclaim post struck me as odd.
Chris_old

Rolled wrote:

Did you really just give KRZY a possible character that is likely to be a voyeur? I asked KRZY to supply the character because there is a chance he's bullshitting, and the fact that he did not include a character name in his roleclaim post struck me as odd.
actually Two already said he was waiting for someone to counter claim Aya for a watcher ability so really he did

that's 2 points deducted for not reading the thread
Rolled
I read, just forgot :(

Going to bed, nn~
akrolsmir
KRZY, I can see you are on, how long does it take you to spell out your persona? Or are you spending the time researching the touhou wiki for an appropriate character?
Raging Bull
Apparently he's gone now ._.
bmin11
I agree that not giving a name is quite odd and I wasn't trying to hint on KRZY. I was confused with Watcher and Voyeur when I read KRZY's claim and thought he could be making it up. I realize it was quite stupid however >_>;;
KRZY
u ppl gotta give a man time to shower ._.

I am Himekaido Hatate
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