I heard Ar Tonelico 2 was straight up better than 3, so I haven't gone out of my way to play 3 yet so that I can preserve my love for the series. And by series I mean just 2. Also, you should stay the hell away from every other game you mentioned in that anime list (except Atelier Rorona).

I didn't even know a ps3 Rune Factory was even a thing, though. I played like the second one on DS and thought it was horseshit but I heard the 3rd one was good. Have literally heard nothing about the ps3 one though so I'll probably end up waiting a while before I consider taking the plunge on that.

Disgaea 4 is out soon anyway, what else do you need.

I thought Cross Edge was pretty fine, though once you master the entire system you'll clear any boss in the first turn with decent equipment. Haven't got the end-game content yet though, so...

Trinity Universe was a sleepfest. Too easy, I didn't bother getting True End. Might get that in the end.

Hyperdimension Neptunia isn't so bad, but once again once you master the system all fights become easy as heck. The lack of work put into it is painfully obvious though.

Atelier Rorona is awesome. Can't beat the final boss. Yet. Will get down to it once I clear my other RPGs. Which will never happen.

Ar Tonelico Qoga is...troll, in a good way.

To add to my problems, Disgaea 4 AND Atelier Totori are coming out.

If your PS3 is backwards compatible with PS2 and you want to play an RPG, you're better off looking at the PS2. Plenty of strong titles there.

I looked at sample battles from each of those games, and the only ones I liked were the two I mentioned. They're the only basically real-time battle systems out of all of those games. Since there aren't any PS3 Tales titles in the US right now (I think), I had to try something new. I forgot to really even look at Disgaea 4, but it's still a tactical RPG, and I'm still not really into those. I looked at a battle for Atelier and I think the voice actors would drive me insane. That, and it's turn-based and what have you. But yeah, Rune Factory 3 is the one coming to PS3, apparently. It's the same as the Wii one, I think.

Anyway, yeah, if you've got any other suggestions that I haven't looked at, let me know, Ival. Cause you suggested Resonance of Fate and that's probably the best RPG I've ever played.

awp: I've got my PS2 still cause my PS3 isn't BC. I'm trying to find new games though. I'm trying to see if there are any new series that I can look forward to in the future. I'm not desperate enough for games to look that far back yet.

Persona 4 is one of the best JRPGs I've ever played

fwiw

Atelier Rorona really isn't about battling at all. I'm honestly not even sure if I'd recommend it to you. I mean, it's still one of my favorite games ever, but that's mainly due to its characters/scenes, and not so much the gameplay.

I'm surprised you hold me in such high regard, Selphie. Though, if you haven't played persona 4 you should seriously play that. And persona 3. It doesn't matter how old they are, just fucking play them. Persona 5 should be coming in the future, especially now that Catherine is done and everything.

Do you mean Rune Factory 4?

The third one was released on DS, and Oceans was a spinoff title for the Wii, although I think they also released a demo for another wii version that didn't get finished...

I'm slowly working my way to finishing Persona 4, so I can be ready for the animation.

And wow, Naoto is a pretty cool reverse trap. Might cosplay as her but I'm probably late to the party.

Also, battles in Atelier Rorona will never bother me because Cordelia is a fucking loli gangster. This is from Totori but whatever, she's only slightly less awesome in Rorona.

Azure_Kyte wrote:

Do you mean Rune Factory 4?

The third one was released on DS, and Oceans was a spinoff title for the Wii, although I think they also released a demo for another wii version that didn't get finished...

Yeah, it's Oceans, except they're calling it Tides of Destiny. And it's coming out in a month, on the same day as the Team ICO Collection, which means I won't be looking at it until later.

Ivalset wrote:

Atelier Rorona really isn't about battling at all. I'm honestly not even sure if I'd recommend it to you. I mean, it's still one of my favorite games ever, but that's mainly due to its characters/scenes, and not so much the gameplay.

I'm surprised you hold me in such high regard, Selphie. Though, if you haven't played persona 4 you should seriously play that. And persona 3. It doesn't matter how old they are, just fucking play them. Persona 5 should be coming in the future, especially now that Catherine is done and everything.

I've looked at a shitload of Persona 3 walkthrough videos, and the battles aren't bad, but you gotta spend so much time with the simulation stuff. Like, you really do or you can't get better personas. But yeah, those battles are fairly strategical, but it is turn-based. The next turn-based game I'll probably get is FFXIII-2, if I get it. I need to borrow TWEWY from my friend to finally see what all the fuss is with that game, too.

Honestly, the non-tartarus stuff doesn't take that much time and you honestly don't need any of the max level personas. Except maybe emperor, and that's really only for one strategy. It doesn't even feel like it's that time consuming. The days go by quickly and you'll be getting a bunch of event scenes and shit which should be entertaining at least.

It's not like the plot is shitty, either.

I want more games like Resonance of Fate. You get 3 characters. That's it. You get three kinds of weapons. It's simple, yet incredibly fun and strategic. Then you get games like Eternal Sonata that give you 12. Then you get Persona where there's a hundred something personas and even the same persona can have different skill sets. There are only 3 playable characters in Ar tonelico, right? And then there's the...what's-it that does the song magic bullshit I don't even know. But there's just one of those in a battle. That sounds fine. Also, I don't understand it yet, but I like how the integrate the music into the battle. Really different.

But the same persona will generally have similar skill sets. And you can only change persona for the main character anyway; the other three party members have fixed personas and fixed skill sets (though you can choose what gets overwritten in 4, there aren't any hard decisions on that front).

Also, I'm pretty sure purchasing Qoga will put you on several different pedophile watchlists. I just care about your well being, Selphie.

Just promise me that if you play Qoga you'll go back and play Ar Tonelico 2 sometime.

Yeah, yeah, I know about the teammates getting the same stuff. And really, I guess you only need personas that can do all of the elemental attacks. And you'd want to have two that can do a healing move for you and stuff. I hate how you get tired in that game if you fight too much though. You gotta grind over several days, which hurts your social life and stuff.

I know a guy who bought Dead or Alive. In person. I might send him in to get the game for me. He's actually heard of the game and wants to try it, too. I really wish the chicks in that game didn't have to be so young-looking, but whatever, I'm just in it for the combat. And that's exactly what I'll tell them in court.

You said Ar tonelico 3 was the first one to be done in 3D, right? And it's the first one with a real-time battle system. Golden Sun is the only one that gets away with being a pixelated, turn-based battle system. I was surprised as hell that Cross Edge was 2D, too.

Seibei4211 wrote:

I hate how you get tired in that game if you fight too much though.

I'm actually the opposite. And I was disappointed when I found out SP-recovery items and the fox are not that hard to come by. My first time playing through Yukiko's dungeon I wanted to push onward as far as I could, but each floor is more dangerous than the last and my party was getting increasingly tired, and there was a huge risk/reward going on there. The lack of mid-dungeon savepoints was also a welcomed aspect. Don't exactly know how I feel about cleared-floor warps though. If you had to push through the entire dungeon to complete it (as oppose to clear 4 floors, rest, then start on floor 5 as it is) it'd be a bit more immersive.

If you're worried about your party being tired and having to grind over several days, two things:
- Grinding isn't really necessary until around GAME (though Yukiko gave me quite a challenge my first time)
- SP (aka party fatigue) becomes a non-issue fairly early on in the game. By the third or fourth dungeon.

Wow, look here Selphie, Golden Sun is a piece of shit game compared to Ar Tonelico 2. It's kid stuff. The battle system in AT2 owns hard because if your timing is good enough, you can perfect guard like everything and come out unscathed. (The game actually breaks a little if you specialize your characters with effects that slacken the perfect guard timing, but whatever) Plus each character has a bunch of different attacks with various properties and there's just a whole lot of fucking fun going on. I won't allow you to compare that piece of shit Golden Sun to the masterpiece that is Ar Tonelico 2. Not on my watch, nigga.

As for persona, a distinction needs to be made. Persona 3 has a tiredness mechanic, persona 4 does not. The mechanic in persona 3 is related to your character level and pretty much stops being relevant past level 20 or so. You'll still get tired after storyline boss missions and other random things, but those end up just dictating when you can journey into Tartarus, not how long you stay there. Which I realize isn't really optimal either, but it's a hell of a lot better than the latter. As far as SP management is concerned, there are plenty of skills that can help you manage that, as awp lightly touched on.

If there's a guard system like in Eternal Sonata, then that's ok. I do like having some skill-based control even when it's not my turn. And if there are ways to lengthen the perfect guard time, that's even better. That's what I wish Eternal Sonata had. Anyway, I partly like Golden Sun for the characters, especially in the first two, but I mostly like it for the kickass, flashy special attacks. Does AT2 have awesome, flashy attacks? Actually, if I like that stuff, maybe I really should look at Disgaea 3 or 4. Oh, and will I get flagged as a pedophile for getting that game or is that just with AT3?

I'm guessing Persona 4 still has the whole switching between battles and simulation game thing, right? The other thing I saw about Persona 3 was the fact that the only hard fights were against bosses. When you have normal enemies, you just hit them with their weakness and the enemy pretty much doesn't even get a turn after a while. I've seen about 3 months worth of in-game time, and it's been that way every time so far. The bosses take strategy, but the normal ones don't seem very fun.

Yeah, that's generally what happens in Persona 3/4...if you know their weaknesses and can exploit them effectively. Also assuming they don't get advantage on you for whatever reason. It's part of why you should play on hard mode (or maniac for P3P). Persona is easy as long as you abide by its rules. If you don't it'll bitchslap you with instant kills or worse, like party fear -> instant kill on feared targets.

Ar Tonelico 2 was pretty flashy, yeah. I'd post a link to a video but I forgot how hilariously annoying the voice acting gets, especially when you're not actively playing it and your mind can turn it off for the most part.

I looked up a gameplay video for AT2 and ohmigodohmigodohmigod. At the end of the battle he did a special attack with Mr. Big Sword and holy fucking balls of shit, dude. That was insane. I don't even know if I want AT3 anymore. All that game has is fucking cake and stars and shit. But whatever, I'll still get it. I think the Sailor Moon'd clothes are pretty hilarious. I might have trouble getting AT2 anyway. And it's gonna be $30 since I can't get it at Gamestop. I'll have to buy it from Amazon or something. It's probably worth it though. The game looks pretty sick.

Amarie's is the best. I never got sick of seeing that. Plus her normal attack skills in battle are cool, like one of them grants your entire party 100% crit rate for that attack phase, and she has another one that does an AoE attack (most other basic attacks are single target), and she has a healing attack. She just owns.



But yeah, it's a really fucking solid game. The voices might get to be a bit much, but the overall music in the game is top notch and the gameplay is pretty excellent (if not a bit too easy to break).

I should mention though, there's one lategame boss that had some kind of issue in the localized version, where the game would crash after like 3 turns in combat, when he used a special attack. That sounds pretty bad but it's actually quite possible to do that without much work. I'm not sure if they reprinted the game with that error fixed or not, just saying don't let that deter you because it's pretty easy to get around.

Yeah, I read about that bug. Like you have to do 40k damage in three rounds or it'll do that move and freeze your game. And apparently it happens if you fight the same person in optional battles, too. Seems kinda weird, but whatever.

Seibei4211 wrote:

Actually, if I like that stuff, maybe I really should look at Disgaea 3 or 4. Oh, and will I get flagged as a pedophile for getting that game or is that just with AT3?

nope

there's like no children in that series. I'd still recommend starting with Disgaea 1 (PSP if available) because of the awesome characters/writing/irreverent plot. The initial main cast of Laharl/Flonne/Etna get less exposure in each iteration (which Disgaea 4 apparently makes up for) but they're the best cast in any game, past present and future. Don't want to undersell it.

Eh, Disgaea 3's story is kind of terrible, but the setting and culture are at the very least amusing. It's basically a bizarro University where students are considered honor students if they skip class and cause trouble, and all the teachers are hellbent on never doing any work. Gameplay's fun, attacks are very flashy - but chances are, before long you'll have them disabled by default and only enable them when you want to see new abilities.

Flashy though. And if you like character/stat building, Disgaea is unparalleled. Final Fantasy thinks it's so great for "breaking the damage cap" (adding an extra digit) but in Disgaea there's no cap at all. Your level caps at 9999, but this is the only cap you'll hit without trying - individual stats like Strength, Vitality, Speed etc DO have a cap (20 million iirc) but it requires quite a big investment in aptitude building / weapon upgrading. I don't think HP has a hard-coded cap, but the "cap" is basically however high all your combined buffs can be. Most of my characters sat around 14 million or something; HP is pretty useless end-game. If you like big numbers, I don't think anything legitimately tops Disgaea. Damage can reach in the trillions if you're really good (and Japanese) and you can pile up so much money from grinding that the game just flat out stops keeping track after a certain number of digits and just says "A LOT"

Stats aren't really "inflated", either - you start the game at level 1 dishing out 25 damage a hit. By the midway point you're probably dealing 2000-ish, and by the main story's end, maybe 15k. Lots to do post-game though. Personally I found the post-game storyline more enjoyable than the main game storyline anyway. But I have a soft spot for the original trio.

awp wrote:

Seibei4211 wrote:

Actually, if I like that stuff, maybe I really should look at Disgaea 3 or 4. Oh, and will I get flagged as a pedophile for getting that game or is that just with AT3?

nope

Oh sorry, I was referring to AT2. Mentioning Disgaea was sort of a side thought. I know my friend liked to play Disgaea 2 and I watched a bit of it and the attacks were really sweet. I don't think I'd ever get tired of them. At least I never did in Golden Sun.

So anyway, I'm on a quest to get AT3. I had that game in my hands a couple of weeks ago, probably when I was in there to get Eternal Sonata. They don't have it at all now. Ridiculous. Who would've thought that someone else would want that game two weeks after I saw it? Anyway, I'll have it soon, but I'm still trying to beat Encore mode in Eternal Sonata. I just hit chapter 5. Fugue can go screw himself. And Dolce, too, for that matter.

Ar tonelico 3's mine now. I didn't know it came with an art book and soundtrack. Nice little bonus. Also, I didn't know until recently just how much dating sim bullshit was in this game, but whatever, because the battle system looks even better than I originally thought. Can't wait.

Until you realize you can just cheese every fight with items, completely eliminating all challenge from the game!

There's a New Game+ that keeps your levels, so I knew it was inevitably going to get easy. But I don't really give a shit about challenges too much anyway. Cause then you get shit like Eternal Sonata's Encore mode. Resonance of Fate had some challenges early on and that was fun. Golden Sun had some challenging fights in the first two games and those were fun. And if I really wanted to, I could do Hard mode, right?

So I finally, finally beat Eternal Sonata and Encore mode and all of that. But riddle me this: how did I manage to spend 50 hours in the first playthrough, but only 45 in the second? I spent, like, 3 hours doing Encore only stuff and I spend loads of hours just grinding for levels. I got all of the same stuff that I got in the first playthrough. I even spent more time developing photos and stuff. It makes no sense. But whatever. Encore mode got ridiculously easy near the end.

So yeah, once I finish The Baconing, Ar tonelico is next. I'll have to play it when I'm not playing Dead Island and Resistance 3 and stuff, but it's next. Oh, and I borrowed TWEWY, but I don't think I'll play it front to back because I can't erase my friend's save and I don't wanna dick around with character levels and stuff.

man I want the baconing

I wonder how long till it drops to 7.50

Dude, The Baconing is pretty damn good so far. Like it takes the best parts of the first two games, then adds some extra stuff. Crossbows are back and most of the guns are gone. Grenades are still here though. Shield Bashing/Reflecting is pretty nice. And now the Hero Cards do better stuff. Like when you go up the ranks for a category, it's not just an additional 5% of whatever. The first rank of one of them was 5% speed increase, but the second rank added a 15% eating speed increase on the same category. So that's pretty cool. Also, the game is just as funny as ever.

Oh man, Ival. I'm surprised at just how much I like Ar tonelico Qoga. Like holy crap, this is a cool game. It's so weird though, because the things I thought I wouldn't like are actually my favorite. The Cosmospheres are pretty awesome, Talk Topics are fun, and I really love Synthesis. I think it's really cool that I get to pick the names for my items and stuff. Now the battle system is cool and all, but it seems like no matter what difficulty I put it on, the game refuses to put out a challenge. It's hard to do three purges when they die so fast. So yeah, you were right about the game being easy. But whatever, the rest of the game makes up for the battles. Also, I did not know this game let you use Japanese voice actors. Best option in the game.

On a non-RPG note, the LBP2 Move pack comes out next week, and goddamn does it make me want to get a Move. That paint tool in particular has me intrigued. I was planning on just buying the main Move controller and plugging it into the Dual Shock, but then I remembered you have to pay extra for the Eye camera. I need to make some money.

Seibei4211 wrote:

Oh man, Ival. I'm surprised at just how much I like Ar tonelico Qoga. Like holy crap, this is a cool game. It's so weird though, because the things I thought I wouldn't like are actually my favorite. The Cosmospheres are pretty awesome, Talk Topics are fun, and I really love Synthesis. I think it's really cool that I get to pick the names for my items and stuff. Now the battle system is cool and all, but it seems like no matter what difficulty I put it on, the game refuses to put out a challenge. It's hard to do three purges when they die so fast. So yeah, you were right about the game being easy. But whatever, the rest of the game makes up for the battles. Also, I did not know this game let you use Japanese voice actors. Best option in the game.

You're going to love the second game, then.

Also, probably Atelier Rorona/Totori too.

I didn't know you were such an anime, Selphie.

Ivalset wrote:

You're going to love the second game, then.

Also, probably Atelier Rorona/Totori too.

I didn't know you were such an anime, Selphie.

I didn't know I was either. I thought I'd hate all of this dialogue bullshit, but I really like it. I'll probably take a second look at Atelier since it's made by the same guys and all. Still not sure about the battle system in that though. Oh, and Yurisica is pretty beast so far. There's not a whole lot of difference between the personas I have right now, but she's a bit of a badass.

those Ar Tonelico games look pretty homo, not gonna lie

Didn't you buy Cross Edge?

I didn't even know disgaea 4 came out today fuck.

yes right AFTER the long weekend

dicks

This is the worst time to not have money.

Yo foulcoon hook a nigga up

awp wrote:

yes right AFTER the long weekend

dicks

I missed out on fallen angel flonne because I had no idea the game was coming out. Apparently gamestops that stocked the premium edition had extra codes for people who bought the premium edition. My local gamestop only was shipped 2 copies though and 1 preorder code. ironically it was the cashiers roommate. I got the display case copy :V

Kunoichi's were removed and are DLC, this is the biggest dick move.

Probably gonna buy a million DLC's becuase NISA makes fun as fuck PSP games that nobody buys.

Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3
King of Fighters XIII
Uncharted 3
Disgaea 4
Dark Souls

Man, the end of this year will add even more games to my PS3 backlog (I'll wait for a price drop though and I have to import it anyway). Disgaea 4 might be my first one of the series, love the drawn characters. And I still have to get Catherine, where's my EU release?

my disgaea 4 still has not shipped sayud panduh

update: it shipped <3

Yayay!

foulcoon wrote:

update: it shipped <3

meanwhile I've already clocked over 20 hours on it

(I am a superior life-form as the statement above will attest)

20 hours?

I'm pretty sure you've had the game in your possession for longer than that, so clearly you aren't as superior as you think.

no I'm still a white-collar scrub

Did 11 hours 11 minutes the first day I got it though, which is not bad. Skipped work for it.

But just once.

You still sound small-time to me, scrub punk.

edit: I just noticed you called yourself a scrub, so me calling you a scrub had no effect. So I'm changing it to punk.

awp wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

update: it shipped <3

meanwhile I've already clocked over 20 hours on it

(I am a superior life-form as the statement above will attest)

yeah but did you get all the super gay awesome figurines that cost way too much?

I already have Jennifer

I'm just gonna say that Dead Island might be the most fun I've ever had, and possibly ever will have, in a video game. But only in co-op with someone with a sense of humor. Single player would be boring.

Status of Your Item: Missent












FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

How do they missend? Ship it to an incorrect address? xD

Mine shipped a few days ago.

You'll get it before me though. HK to Australia is slow sometimes.

They say missent, but now its been updaed to be in my state, I think they sent it to the wrong routing facility, they transferred it to the correct one now which required moving I from a place 40 min away to another place 40 min away, passing my actual house unless they took a strange route. It makes me sayud on the bright side it will be here tomorrow or Wednesday

Sounds awesome. I'm keen as hell for my copy to arrive. I might do an awp and take a day off for it.

They should give you compensation for crap like that.

Heads-up: Move controllers are half off on Gamestop.com. I got the main controller and a used Eye for $50.
http://www.gamestop.com/collection/play ... _row5_col2

Seibei4211 wrote:

I'm just gonna say that Dead Island might be the most fun I've ever had, and possibly ever will have, in a video game. But only in co-op with someone with a sense of humor. Single player would be boring.

I've mostly played single player and enjoyed it. Co-op is definitely better though.

Behonkiss wrote:

Heads-up: Move controllers are half off on Gamestop.com.

Neat!

Now there just needs to be a reason to have them and we're set

awp wrote:

Neat!

Now there just needs to be a reason to have them and we're set

That's exactly what I was thinking. It's like, damn, that's a total deal. But wait, what would I use them for?

Micheal Jackson: The Experience.
And an extra, decent webcam.

Pokebis wrote:

And an extra, decent webcam.

Well, my webcam is pretty turrible. I think max resolution is 320x240.

http://twitpic.com/6klor9

On The Rain Slick Precipice of Darkness: Episode One reference? Was not expecting this.

Gee whiz, that is incredibly obscure for anyone who hasn't played that game.

yeah but this is coming from the localization team that had a bloodninja/bash.org quote in Disgaea 2, so I'm not that surprised

I mean, I've seen all 3 of the guitarists (THE BASSIST IS A GUITARIST SHUT UP) in the fictional death metal band Dethklok while in the item world, so

Dude, that's pretty awesome. Dethklok is pretty kickass.

Holy crap, guys. Just found out they're making a Final Fantasy X HD remake. If they put trophies in there, too, then fuck yes. I'll finally be able to play an awesome Final Fantasy game again.

Wow that might compel me to actually finish FFX...

The worst final fantasy game, you mean.

What a pile of shit.

If that one's not good, then I can think of 9 others that aren't either. I'd be more happy if they made a FFXII HD remake, but I know I'm one of the only people who liked that game. I've only ever played X, XII, and XIII though, so as far as I'm concerned, X is pretty good. I know Rolled would be super thrilled about FFX HD.

awp wrote:

Behonkiss wrote:

Heads-up: Move controllers are half off on Gamestop.com.

Neat!

Now there just needs to be a reason to have them and we're set

This is pretty much my main reason.

Also, 6, 9 and 10 are the only really good FFs I've come across.

Seibei4211 wrote:

If that one's not good, then I can think of 9 others that aren't either. I'd be more happy if they made a FFXII HD remake, but I know I'm one of the only people who liked that game. I've only ever played X, XII, and XIII though, so as far as I'm concerned, X is pretty good. I know Rolled would be super thrilled about FFX HD.

I'd totally prefer a FFXII HD remake. And 9 was the best.

Dude, I already know FFX has some of the worst cutscenes and voice acting in the world. Tidus, Yuna, Rikku, and Wakka can all die. Auron and Lulu make up for all of it though. And the whole Jecht/Sin thing is pretty trippy. FFXIII had Lightning, Snow, Hope, and Vanille though. And Fang didn't even make up for that load of shit. The one thing I like about FFX is the Sphere Grid stuff. Anyone can get any skill they want, but it'd take an eternity to get them all. Also, and this is just me, but I liked Blitzball. And I liked the fact that there were clear-cut ultimate weapons. Not this "Oh, there's 6 or 7 or whatever ultimate weapons" bullshit.

Lightning owns, fuck you buddy.

Ivalset wrote:

Pink hair owns, fuck you buddy.

Oh, Ival.

Wakka is awesome what is wrong with you? Lulu has about as much personality as a bucket of paint.

I'll admit that I consider FFX as one of the better games (Ival has it right with IX being the best, of course) because the world in which FFX takes place is fully developed and characterized. In some of the best FF games to date - take 6 as an example - the world was pretty much just a big mass of land. It served to do nothing more than pose as a stage for other events to unfold. You have the war of the magi, and you have people living in towns scattered around the world map, very few of which have any sort of detail to them (ZOZO being the only one I can really think of) and that's about it. The world in FFX had cultures, religions, racism, history, pastimes - there was just so much more to it. Tidus was obnoxious and Yuna was bland as hell but the world itself felt believable and immersing.

Though I don't know why FFX is getting the remake treatment. It's really unnecessary. The step from PS2-era gaming to half-ass current era gaming doesn't offer a whole lot. Even if they whole-ass it, and bring the visuals to FF-XIII's level (rather than the GoW remakes, the Beyond Good and Evil remake, or the Ico/SotC remakes, which actually look terrible by this era's standards) it's still not going to add anything to the experience. At least, with older titles (anything before FF X, actually), the worlds and characters can be expanded on. PSX-era technology couldn't afford to do things like facial expressions (except for Conker's BFD, of course) and the locales were far more restricted and scaled back to fit the medium. By the PS2 we'd basically hit our stride, so we don't stand to gain anything by remaking FFX, except un-nightmare'ing the laugh scene. Oh, and making the lightning and water effects prettier.

Compared to the others, Lulu is a welcome change. Her personality is whatever, but she's got hilarious breasts and she's just my favorite person to use in combat. I really did like that game for its elemental-based combat. But yeah, if a Final Fantasy character can manage to not be annoying, then that's really good. I'm just excited about FFX because I never got around to doing everything in that game. I beat the game, got all the best weapons, and got all the summons, but I never caught all the monsters or fought Omega Mark X. There's some other stuff I probably missed, too. I wouldn't mind starting from scratch, finally completing it, and also getting trophies and shit for it.

Oh, and I don't like Wakka because he reminds me of this one dude I used to know that I fucking hate. Also, "IT'S AN AMBOOSH!"

And another thing

where does final fantasy get the gall to have a "break damage limit" ability anyway?

1 - damage limits are for pussies
2 - Break damage limit doesn't break damage limits, it just adds a digit

MAN UPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Wakka is fuckin' awful. Who the fuck fights with some pussy ass ball? Wakka does.

Ugh, this FFX discussion just reminds me that I still haven't managed to beat FFX-2.

Final Fantasy game breakers:

VIII - Selphie's The End in her Slot limit break.
XIII - Vanille's Death spell.

Only ones that really jump out to me off the top of my head... as some that are just stupidly OP'd in the entire franchise since they can/do work on everything in the game.

In regards to Wakka, I sort of wished he had of been like Tifa and Zell from FFVII/I and used his fists.
Would've made him a lot more useful and worth leveling.

Ival get Disgaea 4 and get in vent goddamn.

lukewarmholiday wrote:

Ival get Disgaea 4 and get in vent goddamn.

I have no money

yet

spent it on cornbread again, huh Ival?

P.S. - I'm only on episode 2 of disgaea 4 (sayud panduh) and I'm already tired of sardines.

The main character actually becomes a character around that point and not just a bad sardine joke so I guess there's that.

ampzz wrote:

In regards to Wakka, I sort of wished he had of been like Tifa and Zell from FFVII/I and used his fists.
Would've made him a lot more useful and worth leveling.

Wakka is the most useful character iirc - I can't recall the use of Rikku's limit break but Wakka's does 1.2 million damage when maxed, which is much better than anyone else's that I can recall

Aaaaaaaaaaand apparently non-HP/SP stats are not capped at 20 million any more in Disgaea 4. Oh, joy~

foulcoon wrote:

spent it on cornbread again, huh Ival?

P.S. - I'm only on episode 2 of disgaea 4 (sayud panduh) and I'm already tired of sardines.

No, I spent it on anime games.

I'm really not good at this "black" thing.

awp wrote:

Wakka is the most useful character iirc - I can't recall the use of Rikku's limit break but Wakka's does 1.2 million damage when maxed, which is much better than anyone else's that I can recall

Lulu's still the most useful for me. She can ruin pretty much any enemy that isn't magic resistant. Doesn't matter if they're fast or flying or whatever, she's got it. Wakka is pretty weak most of the time, but he's good for flying crap. Auron can't hit birds to save his life. And Rikku's Limit Break fucking sucked and it required you to use items. Like maybe there was a combination of items that was good, but then you'd need a load of those items to keep using it, so that makes it useless.

These Final Fantasy discussions have the ability to confuse me, because when I first saw ampzz mention Selphie, I thought it was referring to me for a second.

Seibei4211 wrote:

And Rikku's Limit Break fucking sucked and it required you to use items. Like maybe there was a combination of items that was good, but then you'd need a load of those items to keep using it, so that makes it useless.

Rikku's overdrive is absolutely necessary if you're doing a no-grid run, but I don't know if it has any instant-kill or something like 100,000 needles, or anything like that.

Seibei4211 wrote:

These Final Fantasy discussions have the ability to confuse me, because when I first saw ampzz mention Selphie, I thought it was referring to me for a second.

Ehehehe, I guess you can blame me for that!

awp wrote:

Seibei4211 wrote:

And Rikku's Limit Break fucking sucked and it required you to use items. Like maybe there was a combination of items that was good, but then you'd need a load of those items to keep using it, so that makes it useless.

Rikku's overdrive is absolutely necessary if you're doing a no-grid run, but I don't know if it has any instant-kill or something like 100,000 needles, or anything like that.

Ok, well in a normal game for people who aren't insane, she's useless. And she does have this move that sounds pretty good that takes the health of every enemy down to 1/16th of their original health, but I bet it doesn't work on a lot of things. She's got some pretty good buff/healing mixes though. Stuff you can't even get from normal items.

Yeah, which you don't need because WAKKA IS THE BEST DD

all I do with other overdrives is give them to Wakka and let him lay waste to everything

I'mma nip this in the bud.

fuuuucking hell dawn i need to get that game, but not at the current price

I'm up to stage 5 in Catherine. I really need to play more PS3 games but I've been stopped in my tracks by Disgaea 4 and Monster Hunter Portable 3rd.

EDIT: That's wierd. My Debit Card is rejected by the JP PSN store on the PSP, but it works just fine on the PS3 equivalent.

Shadow of the Goddamn Colossus! FFFFF YES!

My PS3 hasn't been touched in a month...
Is that good?

Seibei4211 wrote:

Shadow of the Goddamn Colossus! FFFFF YES!

Wait, you got yours already?

/fume

ampzz wrote:

My PS3 hasn't been touched in a month...
Is that good?

I didn't touch mine for 3 months since I finished all of Portal 2's single-player mode on it.


I'm waiting to get something for it like Deus Ex HR so I can start playing the PS3 again.

Anyone got Dark Souls yet? The game is pretty good, I think I am at the final boss.

Are you really already at the final boss? When did you get the game? I thought it'd take a while since the game's supposed to be hard and stuff.

Those PS2 games I mentioned in some other thread are only 10 dollars a piece. Got Odin Sphere.