Kizuitara Shunkashuutou (Cut Ver.)

changed

fixed

sure, did something similar

did something similar

added a circle on 00:19:898, applied on Extra and Ultra as well

add kick hitsound for this one in all difficulties

ok

ok

oh yes, buffed spacing

The rotation and movement isn't all the same I think that's fine, the pattern itself is interesting enough to play imo

ok

ye

reopen, refer to my response in the initial post

prefer stacking

ok, I keep latter as slider tho

fixed for all problematic diffs

no i think

ok

removed nc on 01:03:785 (1)

ok

^ 01:07:770 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 01:09:645 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -

ok made the patterns more visually appealing and emphasized the important vocals

I would prefer keeping it as it makes the next jump part easier to hit

removed nc on 01:07:301 and added nc on 01:07:535

removed ncs

nc'd 01:11:285 (4)

ok changed

umm I prob misplaced then copied to other diffs also D: now it's removed

okay

01:15:628 (3)

this should be clap (check other diffs too)

fixed for all diffs

Same idea can be applied here 01:24:586.

alright

nah

01:57:457 (2,3,4,5,6) -

prefer keeping like it it now as it is quite obvious it's 1/3 pattern, asked a few top players to try it and they read it fine

sure

mega agree

massively decreased spacing of both

rehaped 01:20:895 (1) and moved 01:21:246 (2) towards middle

the current transition is fine imo, prefer what it is rn :P

I don't think misread would be an issue here, but agree on removing nc because it can differentiate the sound on 01:21:715 and onwards

fixed

i moved the jumps a bit so i overlapped with sliderhead of 01:25:875 (3)

ok, did what I did in Ultra diff

I think the 2 circles is good for the buildup for the big jump section, so prefer not changing

okay

not really a problem, but buffing would be appreciated, yeah

how tf this is under a problem stamp

put the 01:48:396 (1) further away

[!] agree, but this 01:55:113 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) entire jump section doesn't really make sense since it emphasizes nothing with such overspaced patterns

i'd highly recommend avoiding spamming jumps and stick to the drums since vocal is prolonged here and you can't do anything around it

these jumps are not supported by the song and they'd make sense in a place like 02:09:645 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2), but definitely not here, so please work on it

added some sliders to emphasize the drums

kept whistle on 01:56:051 but also added on 01:56:285

idk why I did that :skull: but I fixed it now

good idea but I prefer what it is rn :D

A rotation like that causes sudden and purposeless linear aim, which I avoid throughout the set. I'm keeping current state to keep the consistency representing toms.

ok

I'd like to say that akitoshi diff has more pleasant progression of spacing in current case than this diff, and this moment do not looks so overdone, cuz section mapped before (01:58:272) so active, even more active than in current diff.

I just want to say that only seeing the ds value and saying the jump is quite big makes no sense to me

not really sure what you're trying to have here but actually why does the mapper need to reduce the overall spacing (in this section) if it is actually the most powerful and impactful part in comparison to the rest of the sections

if you're concerned that the constantly big jump chain would cause some issues, imo 02:14:808 (1,2,1,2) - 02:16:683 (1,2,1,2) - work well to relieve the aiming strain here (and provide some contrast surely)

welcome to 9* mapping man

this is the climax of the song, the most intense section, so it's mapped accordingly

@muchin i just confused only that the map do not fully reflect 9* as it might been, and having only diffspike of fully-screen jumps at the ends looks like abusing than maintain overall contrast. I have also testplayed this and cursor fast moving does not looking so enjoyable ig.

However, i just only asking about thia and would like to discuss; will close if others will think it is okey

having 7 dislikes over 0 likes is enough to express that it's completely okay

think it’s fine tbh. map is a bit overdone sure but it’s 9 stars n there’s plenty of other lower diffs if this one isn’t to your taste.

@Eterdesp
I'm assuming that you're trying to push a thing where the rest of the map should reflect the difficulty that it should be to a certain degree

but isn't it essentially reducing the impact of sectional contrast...? your statement in the original post actually contradicts your explanation later which seems really weird...

namely, you expect the map to be more active for presenting sectional contrast but looks like you immediately denied the mapper's idea, despite they already did what you suggested (reflecting the sectional contrast)

as for your concern about the last section seeming like a diff spike. while it's indeed a big exaggerated, I do think the map already implied it from section 01:57:464 -, and the early intro (i.e. 00:16:214 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1) - ), especially 02:09:652 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - so it should be expectable

in conclusion, the original post seems just because you think the last cross-screen jump is "inappropriate" without a comparison to the rest of the map, or a solid reasoning of why you do think it is not suitable for the diff

btw in #4706327/12483071, you're comparing two different diffs but like I don't even know how does that make any sense...

akitoshi's diff is trying to buffer the impact of the last intense part by introducing a linear increment of object density/spacing but not closely following the drastic intensity changes in the background, this improves the player's experience indeed

in contrast, the top diff is intended to fully represent the changes of the song, I just don't understand why your wording looks like you're trying to push a change in another way that the mapper does not intend to do, if both of them is valid

this is my opinion as the nominator

I have already suggested improving the sectional contract in dm but I was carefully approaching the spacing of the jumps since it is clearly their intention

#4681896 in case you're not aware of that

please correct me if I'm understanding you wrong since I think your statement is a bit messy and lacks enough explanation to support your points

also next time please do this in general tab if you expect some discussions below, since there's a word limit for replies in timeline tab...

hey, i just do not compare both difficult, looking at akitoshi diff i just want to share that this moment do not creates a diffspike while in current diff it does. Just if compare contrast Akitoshi reflect this much better, but it was an abstract fact without any concrete and do not make influence as argument. The pointing this as a diffspike was the most shortest way to point ><

I will respond a bit later, mostly with full reply

hey louis look i've made an essay about an osu pattern

if you compare this difficulty with akitoshi's cataclysm and say that it's more pleasant in terms of difficulty progression, then you actually don't understand how difficulty spikes actually work

let's take a look at mapset verifier's overview section and what it says about this hilarious difficulty spike:

this is /difficulty/ box which is used to be /star rating/ box in the past, so yeah - this is how star rating progresses throughout the map. if you spend some time looking at this screenshot, you'll be able to notice that star rating in akitoshi's difficulty more looks like an actual spike than in this difficulty

as you can see on the screenshots star rating in top difficulty smoothly progresses up while in akitoshi's cataclysm it just jumps to the starts which is also fine, it generally works with the song

however, like you said in our dms, star rating isn't an argument because this is system is broken as hell and i particially agree with this stamement, so let me show you a comparion of how mapset verifier calculates /aim/ aspect of the map => screenshot

yes, the values are almost the same with the ones in the /difficulty/ box, but you still think that this specific difficulty is overdone while akitoshi's cataclysm is actually harder (if you still think that overdone thing is an issue here, please refer to this veto which is a much worse case. you'll be able to see that such things are acceptable)

spacing values you're being nitpicky about in the initial post aren't that crazy. if you'd make at least some kind of research, you'd notice that

let's set sv 1.5 for 01:58:402, so we could equally compare this section (one of the most intense ones) with the one you've mentioned above, 02:13:402 => 02:17:034

01:58:870 (1,2), 02:00:745 (1,2), 02:02:620 (1,2), 02:04:495 (1,2) - they have 3.0x spacing
02:01:917 (1,2,1) - has ~2.5x spacing
02:06:370 (1,2) - has 2.7x spacing
and so on

and now the most climactic section of the song, the most intense one with ass smashing dense drums (which basically requires you to buff spacing to give actual emphasis for what's happening in song here)

02:13:402 (1,2,3) - 3.3x (slightly increased for climax emphasis)
02:13:753 (1,2,3) - 2.9x (no increasement)
02:14:105 (1,2,3) - 3.5x (spaced higher since spacing changes aren't prohibited)
02:14:456 (1,2,3) - 3.0x (no increasement)
02:15:277 (1,2,3) - 3.0x (no increasement)
02:15:628 (1,2,3) - 3.6x and 3.9x (spacing starts to progress higher to make gameplay more fun and diverse)
02:15:980 (1,2,3) - 3.3x (not a major change + refer to 02:13:402 (1,2,3))
02:16:331 (1,2,3) - 4.0x (right at the end of the map for the maximum emphasis)

things like 02:15:511 (3,1), 02:15:862 (3,1), 02:16:214 (3,1), 02:16:566 (3,1) are completely fine because they are used to give stronger emphasis on snare + cymbal, so it works emphasis-wise

you can say the same about fieryrage's happppy song or iljaaz's deadly force if you'll use the same arguments since there are also sections with climax section's emphasis

you also requested some plays that may prove your rightness. try giving a look to the leaderboard, there already sub 10 misses plays by kamenshik and kurumiw

please let's stop wasting our time on this pattern, it's absolutely okay. you have 14 dislikes by experienced mappers and beatmap nominators over 0 likes. muchin also spent some time explaining why you are wrong. people highly disagree with what you think about this. your stubbornness makes no sense 💀

okey, got your opinion, will close it now

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bruh i should've read before posting, made so many typos xd

I dont think there need more time to discuss because you have already told that there are already plays from top players that proofs words that this is not diffspike so i kinda may agree in some context it could okey

I use this for other diffs and parts also I think it would not cause reading issue for players playing these diffs