Una Serie de Campechanas Desdichas

rhythm changed

it is, see 00:08:965 (6) - 00:18:085 (2) - 00:12:325 (2) - 00:08:485 (4) - etc. Those are emphasizing the snares. Also slider leniency helps here aswell so I think they're fine

why not? 00:24:059 (3) - has some active objects before it and I'd like to introduce the 1/4 spaced patterns through easier ones like 00:24:899 (5,6) - which is way less dense and the player doesn't have to worry about hitting constant 1/4 while also aiming them.

Also I do use similar spacing for the other times this rhythm appears: 00:17:339 (3) - 00:21:179 (5) - 00:23:099 (3) -

I get it but you could just rearrange it so the stream goes down or even right to left and you snap to 00:24:059 (3) -

gonna make some snap aim 1/4 thingie considering what you suggested at #3962615

yes

nerfed

those are the same object?

meant the next slider, though you obviously have the spacing logic applied to the drums and I am thinking about the guitar intensity which I feel should make 00:30:779 (4) - more spaced

increased the SV a bit for 00:30:779 (4) - just for that higher pitch guitar sound you mentioned

this is again because of the chain of 1/4 objects, making this as spaced as those individual pairs of objects would make it too overkill. I suppose I can introduce a little jump from 00:31:499 (3,4) - to the slider 00:31:739 (1) - i guess

just like a little CTRL G at 00:31:259 (1,2) - was my idea or similar, I feel like some snappy movement fits here

then I should something similar to 00:23:819 (1,2,3) - ig

considering how the map gets later I feel like yeah spacing could be quite bigger for those

idk about this since i dont really give cymbals bigger emphasis through sv anywhere else on the map (see 00:24:059 (3) - 00:39:419 (1) - 02:06:758 (1) - etc

okay cooked something just for this one (and the first one of this section with #3962602), not something too exagerated but added some movement to it

not intended to follow the vocals but the drum, I start to focus a lot more on the vocals from 00:47:726. I do some vocal following on 00:42:188 (1,2,3,4) - too to introduce that I'm not just gonna follow the drums through the map tho.

mind to tell me what do you mean as later

All the white ticks are being clicked on after that one

should be alright since there isn't really any instrument there, just a kick. The other white ticks have some other sound in there like vocals, synth or guitar

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same as #3962645/10591028

probably should start from 00:46:803 to focus the vocals cuz I just realised 00:46:803 (1,2,3) - doesn't have the same pitch as the other ones

yeah changed, focus on vocals now start on 00:46:803

with the start of the 1/3 vocals

sure

feel like its alright to give some time to the player to get used to the new rhythm

changed and added a circle at 00:48:995 (2) -

wdym speed up, if you mean the guitar, im gonna rework 00:52:226 (3,4) - a bit cuz of #3962643 so should be alright as it is. Increasing the spacing a bit tho ig

resolving this unless it's not what you meant

I think it was the guitar playing more notes yea. I thought about a stream that hits both the instrument and the vocal or something I guess

Sliderend does end on a vocal wdym

it's more on the 1/12 tick slightly earlier, if you want to extra accurate

shouldnt be a problem, vocals on this song are kinda like this a lot of times where they start a little earlier or sooner than they should

Still think you should change this, it's noticeable and would not hurt playablity but only more closely follow the music

Also 00:52:686 - Should follow vocal, otherwise people play this single switch and go right back to 1/3

Should be a slider on 1/6 tick at 00:52:647 (5) -

00:57:532 - If this starts following vocal but then ends on instruments, seems confusing to me. This is more of the thing I already pointed out. Just following the vocals better when they are the focus

About 00:52:686 - since there is a vocal at 00:52:455 I think it would be weird to transition to a 1/3 rhythm from a blue tick

About 00:57:532, it follows vocals from quite before, and 00:57:878 (1,2,3) - is explained on other mod #3962645

About 00:51:532 (1) - , I still don't think it's necessary. If I did it here, I'd have to do it anywhere else where the vocals do weird stuff and I don't want to make the map rhythm more complex than it should be just because of the vocalist's mistakes. I already do some inaccuracies on the rhythm for the sake of some different reasons like simplification or emphasis, so should be fine.

changed to following vocals

okay

should be fixed now? (not sure what you meant about the stack is off, fixed the position of 00:53:957 (2) - )

yes thats what i meant!

01:10:441 (4,5,6) - same here

01:12:749 (3,4,5) - also not clearly follow vocals here, adjust with slider 1/2 + 1/4 circle may be

02:31:780 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - also feels not follow, 3/8 + 1/4 (3'rd circle -> nc) fits more here, end adjust with slider may be

02:35:934 (1,2,3) - 02:36:857 (1,2,3) - end ect sorry im exhasted to noticed similar also check

02:46:088 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - same + end of this adjust with slider fits more here

After careful consideration, I have decieded that mapping active 3/8s would make the rhythm way too complex for what I aim with this map. The rhythms are already quite complex because of the mix of 1/4 and 1/3 rhythms, and I don't believe accurately mapping vocals will do any good to the playability of the map.

However, I do agree that some of those are quite off, so I have decieded to either map them by 1/3s or 1/4s, depending on how close they are to each snap. Here's the summary of the changes regarding the patterns:

00:59:365 (7) - Just made it a slider, even thought I would prefer it to have it the same as 00:58:441 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - by using 1/3s. However I don't mind it that much since the vocals pitch go down there, so it works as a conclusion to me.

01:10:441 (4,5,6) - Keeping it as it is, as 1/4's here sounded way too off compared to 1/3. However changed 01:09:057 (1,2,3,4,5) - to 1/4 since those do sound better when like this.

01:12:749 (1,2,3,4,5) - Reworked this pattern so it uses 1/4 instead.

02:31:780 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - same

02:35:357 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - same, made it so that the switches between 1/3 and 1/4 are as natural as possible.

02:46:088 (1,2,3,1) - Also changed.

I don't want to buff so much this pattern so that visually it stays closer to a 1/4 gap, but buffed a bit 01:05:711 (1,2) - and rearanged the objects so that the visual spacing between them is still around the same (might have slightly buffed the other elements in the process aswell).

sounds good so sure

#3966774/10612592

yeah but here I'm introducing the 1/3 rhythms without NCing for the following part so I rather not mix up rhythms so the player gets the intentions straight. Mixing 1/4 rhythm here would make the introduction a lot more complex from what I want.

Yea this stuff is a headache, I could only think of doing stuff like not stacking 1/4 or something but having them low spacing. Though it sounds so weird not really clicking on all those instruments when they are so prominent

why, the only sound at 01:10:109 is a little sound but it isn't really prominent

I would personally map something like a 1/2 slider and an extended slider ending on 1/8. Snapping is just a little off not really 1/3 here

Oh I think I understood you now, the vocals actually get a bit faster (like they become 1/4). However, this would be quite complex since I'm still introducing the 1/3 rhythm without NCing, so Im not too sure about mixing stuff yet, I'd rather have the introduction to the mixing of rhythms something like 01:11:609 (2,1) - like it is rn which I feel is a lot more intuitive while playing.

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As the audio changed I will not respond to any of those mods anymore, would just be headache 😅

we do slight amounts of tomfoolery

yeah i was onto something when i made that fixed

02:01:166 (1,4) -

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(not stacked)

oohh

fixed

yes

okay

changed

feel like its fine, it feels too sudden coming from the mini break and its not that different from 01:18:878. I also think it feels more neat if 01:16:340 and 01:18:186 behave the same way because of having the same "no puedes ser rey" lyrics

so yea not changing because "no puedes ser rey" lyrics

01:16:340 (2,3) - also should but I'd rather keep the current rhythm cuz that adds some variety and differentiates the vocals feeling of 01:16:263 (1,2,3,4,5) - from 01:17:263 (1,2,3,4) - . If mapped with the 1/3 it would be 4 times the same rhtyhm of 01:17:263 (1,2,3,4,1) - which I'm not really looking forward to

maybe 01:18:070 (1,2) - and 01:16:263 (1,2) - should have the same gap?

01:19:570 (4) - If you make this shorter you could make 01:19:801 - active rhythm

Also here 01:21:647 - . Important sound that should be clicked on imo

Just more of the making sure to follow the rest of the music too while focusing on vocals.
Like I'm sure there is a good solution to map the drums even 01:22:686 (1,2,3) - while focusing on vocals

not too sure about this, its kinda the same as 01:16:339 (2,3,4) - which has also the same vocals. Maybe i could stack the tail of 01:18:646 (4) - to 01:17:723 (4) - so it looks cleaner?

that works as well ig

nice

01:20:840 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) -
I'd rather have the whole pattern to be 1/4 so it feels different from the rest.

here you have the thrice repetition of the word "votar", and I don't want to give them the same 1/3 treatment as the usual vocals. The first and the third are said by the same group of people, hence the similar pattern for them 01:21:301 (4,5) - 01:22:224 (3,4) - . Then for 01:21:763 (1,2) - switching to 1/3 would be weird cuz the pattern is already conditioned from 01:21:301 (4,5) - which would need to have really large spacing so it differentiates from the 1/4 ones.

Honestly there is already issues with reading as a lot of it is not expected and player gets kinda wrecked by the songs whims. There are a few parts where the snapping changes in the middle of a vocal section

This part is fine honestly

#3966788/10612685 related to same pattern so

01:40:773 (1) - also feels underwhelming

supposed to be progression comparing the first and second kiais, so not sure

changed a bit

changed cuz I don't mind either way, may I ask why tho just curious about it

ok

its what im mapping (?)

Undermapped?

Or did i paste the wrong timestamp. You can map all the drum hits when they are in focus like 01:14:263 - or even have some kind of 1/6 stream when the instruments speed up. That would be maximal rhythm coverage.
00:53:724 - I think here should keep the 1/3 or just map all the 1/4. I would just have the 1/4 as the music indicates a speedup

There are some sections in the first parts where you ignore the drums when they speedup

and some are just overmapped like 01:37:397 - the triple is actually here 01:37:513 -

for 01:14:493 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - , i think i'll keep it as it is cuz for 1/6 rhythm would need to be stacked and it'd be too similar visually to the pattern. Maybe simplified with a 1/4 at 01:14:378 could work? Cuz it wouldn't need to be stacked, kinda like this

or

Would like an opinion on it tho cuz I feel its alright as it is too but im not against the 1/4 idea.

i think i might go with the second one cuz feels nice and it adds emphasis to 01:14:493 (1) -

yeah changed

whistle follows vocals so should be fine

fixed

03:18:682 same

ok

ok

02:37:473 (2) could be shifted back to 02:37:434 as well since this random 1/9 is still fine on 1/4 + plays a tad better

For 02:00:627 (1,2,3) - , sure changed.

For 02:37:473 (2) - I feel like its fine since the vocal itself is at the 1/3 snap, and the 1/9 is just the sliderend which the player does not have to worry about too much when tapping.

lowered spacing

changed

04:11:270 (3,1) -

first one is intentional, 04:11:270 (3,1) - fixed

agreed, changed

follows the drums which are pretty prominent here

should be a 1/8 triple

and the sliders dont hit the music all the important sounds are on sliderends

what do 02:35:602 and 02:35:948 have?
and about the 1/8, whould it be at 02:35:313? Im not getting what you mean with this

Mainly 02:35:717 (4) -

and on this 02:35:256 (1,2) - it sounds like 1/6 actually

just like on the end of 02:35:717 (4) - sounds like 1/6

but mapping actively the sounds of 02:35:717 (4) - would remove all the focus on the strong drums for how inaudible they are (it is a lot more blended in the background compared to other similar ones like 01:37:340 (5,6,7) - ). I feel like the shift to 1/4 with the increase in spacing compared to past 1/4 triples already makes quite the difference on the pattern, no need to complicate it even more.

About 02:35:256 (1,2) - , I'd have to stack 02:35:256 (1) - over 02:35:371 (2) - if i mapped as 1/6 but that wouldn't give the movement emphasis to 02:35:371 (2) - that I'd want.

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sure

not really, the drum does something fast here so went with this

I think it is more like 1/6 the drums here 02:49:909 -

fixed