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this is literally a first entering sections of the map it doesnt really need any complex rhythm

few reasons why i did that:

1. contrast with a higher nelly's diff
2. 00:03:161 (5,6) and 00:04:457 (4,5,6) - are different in pitch/intensity(?) that why it have different emphasis

There also seems to be sounds that you ignored which I do deserve recognition such as 00:04:920

3. i want to keep things a bit simple for entering section

So, I think a repolish in this section is not needed! Feel free to post anything specific if you have anything to say with my concept in mind

because it sounds higher pitched to me + i want gameplay diversity in this section + its fine

ye

i feel like this section is fine as it is now

it starts on white tick because synth sound on 00:28:716 starts earlier than other ones?

idk seems ok to me

Just relooked. You right I pulled a dumb here

https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/1827134#fruits/3754349
00:51:794

I think this patterning is acceptable in rains and we have a ranked map with such a thing.

The part that you mentioned is much easier to play than what the map currently presents. 01:05:012 (7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12). This is way too overkill. Please nerf this section and I think the rest will be fine.

resolved

(resolved because moru fixed that part)

okie dokie

someone cooked here

just started modding the platter in case i could find comparison points and yea no XD, the jump in difficulty between what the platter is doing and what the rain starts to do is far too ludicrous to be acceptable i think, if whoever comes out of the platter can one shot pass, let alone fc the kiai overall, then id think they were cracked af

id personally make this rain difficulty be responsible of introducing the platter player to 1/4 density streams and hypers but not all that other stuff, as nelly's overdose during its first minute of gameplay does a far more controlled job of introducing wiggle/antiflow 1/4 stuff to the rain player (peppering them here and there before its kiai), introducing them in this diff is far too soon

i have committed food poisoning

Hm.

actually tbh i want m0ru to balance this kiai since hes much comfortable with mapping/playtesting rains

TRIED TO FIX MYSELF pplease lmk if there are any flaws

i went through the diff again, the kiai is far more manageable now than it was before (save some sections where the distance between objects is way too ambiguous to be walkable but too close to be dashable like 01:32:420 (1,2,3) -), but i'm still concerned about stuff like 00:49:457 - the section starting here all the way up to the kiai using stuttery dash patterns like 00:53:901 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - , and wiggle repeats all across the board like 00:49:827 (2) - 00:55:753 (2) - 00:59:457 (10,11,12) - , ambiguous walk-dash stuff like 01:00:753 (1,2,3) - immediately followed by strenuous patterning like 01:01:309 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - all these (way too antiflowy), among more. it feels like a nerfed overdose more than a rain

did smth on my parts, leaving the rest for m0ru

resolved

i know

rearranged slider shape for my part tho so its less intense after previous build-up

we know

(i have also rearranged the slider a little bit)

we have removed these btw since we even forced a proposal for that LMAO

asked by zerokt for opinions. I agree that these two sliders don't fit the music, and the difficulty goes beyond the expectation by a rain player. The sounds at the start of the two sliders are just regular snares that don't even last long. The jump is not even on the snare sounds but 1/2 beats after. I can't understand why these patterns are designed in this way in a rain difficulty.

lol

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/en/Rules/Code_of_Conduct_for_Modding_and_Mapping

Hello Moru You're Stupid

it fits the music

reopen if you have a proper suggestions how to fix this """problem""", im not taking this proposal seriously no matter how many people agree with it, thats way too subjective

idk the idea of "fitting and not fitting" is so subjective like the proposal is (unless its accepted and integrated into the rc system i'm not taking it for granted) and i gave my opinion about it. it is FUN and CAN be used properly and sparingly. the sounds are quite noticeable and unique due to their pitch and position in the song

difficulty goes beyond the expectation by a rain player

i really wonder if you asked any rain player to play it (or any kind of sliders like this in other maps) or just posted your thoughts like only true ones without even asking a core audience of the difficulty

i've met enough new players who went from very beginning to odose gaming and hypersliders/hyperdroplets wasnt a problem for them at rain difficulty already

fyi originally this sliders was like this but i had to change due to some hareimu mod

if something like this would fix the "issue" i dont mind to change it back to original state, however i still want to hear a proper reason for a fix which is not a "hyperdroplets bad"

I asked several rain players to playtest the difficulty and not a single one was able to get a fullcombo on the map, with the hypersliders part being shitmissed on sightread by every single one of them.
Furthermore I personally don't feel comfortable nominating the set with a rain whose difficulty curve is such that you can easily rename the diff to overdose and nobody would bat an eye.
The 1/4 repeat 160bpm wiggle patterns that are all over the place in the sections before the kiais begin are way too much for actual rain players (not overdose players who are just passingly playing the rain of the set for completion's sake), and I will stand by this.

any solutions then? is it only "remove the hyperslider" or will there be anything of a middle ground? me and moru are pretty much open for discussions but not when we're just thrown at with "This is bad change"

i really do not understand how you come to the conclusion that what has been said amounts to "this bad, change" when i've pointed out across like 4 suggestions all over that the difficulty is way too potent for a rain, these hypersliders included
the solution is as simple as mapping the thing in any other way that doesn't use a hyperdroplet 3/2 slider for the sake of it lol, even if it does technically "fit" what the song is doing it's still far too much of a departure difficulty-wise in a section that's already filled with several dense 1/4 streams and requiring very experienced catcher control to handle
i get that people want to innovate when mapping new things as of late but you cooked way too hard with this difficulty, thats all

If you want even more of a valid point, compare the difficulty spike between what the platter does with its relatively balanced density and hyperdash presence throughout, to what the rain does; if a platter player were to touch it, they would immediately delete the set out of frustration saying "this is way too much".

okay, i see

we will discuss this with m0ru in dms privately and elaborately. no one is to close or reopen this point, i think there is enough points and arguments for us to think through

after some discussion w m0ru and hareimu we decided to eliminate these sliders and map as 1/4 rhythms instead

since reimu is no longer a bn for this BRING SLIDERS BACK

clueless

mapped 01:25:475 instead

same with 01:26:494 (1,2,3)

01:29:457 (1,2,3) - ^

01:32:420 (1,2,3) - ^

01:26:494 (1,2,3) - @fayew wtf is this

did something for my sections

fixeth

removed

applied for moru

k

ok

btw remember to add nc cuz over 14 object here

i followed piano here but the reason why i started 01:53:161 (1) on its place because i dont want to make big 1/1 gap from 01:52:975 to 01:53:346

i will do this later but agree

yes

recheck 01:53:161 to 02:00:475 this part of NC thing cuz somewhere is over 14 so i don't point them out

ok

redownloaded as of july 12th and 01:55:753 (3) - this is still not nc'd when something like 01:58:716 (1) - this is (and its in the same part of the section musically speaking), could clear the catcher up here tbh
would also add 01:57:605 (3) - nc here since its on a downbeat and 01:59:827 (3) - for the same reason as the first one

i'll nc for moru

pretty sure i did NCs in version i sent fayew, idk why it didnt work :eksdee:

02:02:790 (5,6) - are more higher-pitched comparing to 02:05:753 (5,6) so thats why i have different emphasis

02:05:753 (5,6) - sounds more deep yknow

i did that in sake of contrast of 02:00:568 and 02:12:420 sections, keeping same rhythm would be too monotone and i dont really like any other options

ya

did something